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mankay:
--- Quote from: rustic_metal on January 13, 2011, 09:47:58 pm ---Everybody you talk to will just tell you to go to the handbook.
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I had a feeling that might be the case :/
--- Quote ---I can fill you in though, since I'm an elec major:
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Wow, that is incredibly helpful. Thank you! :)
--- Quote ---Which majors are you looking at? You should be able to keep at least 2-3 of them open in first year.
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Well, a few actually :P
Mathematics, Engineering and Psychology (accred.), and *maybe* chemistry.
Based off the first year subjects, if i do the first year eng subjects, that leaves me with two sem 1 free subjects, and two breadths. Not enough to leave the option to do an accredited psych major (as i need the two electives for later). I'm crushed :/
On a semi-related note, do you know if it's possible to do level 3/third year subjects earlier if they dont have any pre-reqs?
rustic_metal:
--- Quote from: mankay on January 13, 2011, 10:53:03 pm ---Well, a few actually :P
Mathematics, Engineering and Psychology (accred.), and *maybe* chemistry.
Based off the first year subjects, if i do the first year eng subjects, that leaves me with two sem 1 free subjects, and two breadths. Not enough to leave the option to do an accredited psych major (as i need the two electives for later). I'm crushed :/
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Did you do spesh? If you did...
1st year 1st sem:
- Calc 2
- Physics 1: fundamentals
- Breadth (dropping mind, brain & behaviour 1 - you'll get by fine without it)
- Breadth (dropping ESD1 - lulz)
1st year 2nd sem:
- Lin alg
- Physics 2: technology
- Mind, brain & behaviour 2
- ESD2
2nd year 1st sem:
- Eng mech
- Biological psych OR developmental psych
- Engineering Computation (H1)
- Breadth
2nd year 2nd sem:
- Foundations of electrical networks (FoEN)
- Engineering Maths
- Cognitive psych OR personality and social psych
- Breadth
That'll keep electrical eng, mechanical eng, software eng and psychology open until the end of second year and maths until the end of first year. You can then take 8 subjects at 300 level, since all 4 of your breadth subjects have been completed, which usually equates to 2 majors or just under it (note that Melbourne won't put both majors on your degree).
If you want to do maths you'll have to rearrange everything after first year, but there's also the option of taking on a concurrent Diploma of Mathematical Science, which will add an extra year to your course. It will also absorb a couple of the maths subjects from the rest of your degree, giving you more room for other subjects (e.g. adding chem 1 and 2 to your BSci and moving calc 2 and lin alg to the diploma). You might have to do this if you haven't done spesh, since you'll need calc 1 as well. With that you'll still be able to keep electrical eng, mechanical eng, software eng and psychology open until the end of second year, but you'll also be able to keep chem open until the end of first year and add a maths major without cutting into anything else.
--- Quote from: mankay on January 13, 2011, 10:53:03 pm ---On a semi-related note, do you know if it's possible to do level 3/third year subjects earlier if they dont have any pre-reqs?
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Yeah, you can do any subject at any time so long as you have the prereqs and you're in the right course for it.
mankay:
--- Quote ---Yeah, you can do any subject at any time so long as you have the prereqs and you're in the right course for it.
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Alright sweet. One issue though, Physics 1 says i require VCE Physics or equivilent. I didn't do Physics 3+4. Do they actually check prereqs for VCE subjects?
--- Quote ---Did you do spesh? If you did...
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Yeah i did spesh, as well as UMEP (basically Accelerated Maths 1).
Thanks for that too, though ive been working an a modified one (as i'll be taking credit for UMEP and i *need* psych 1 for accrediation if i go down that path - its a "extended" major)
This should allow me to take psych to the end of first year:
Year 1
Sem 1 - Physics 1, Psychology 1, Breadth, Breadth
Sem 2 - ESD 2, physics 2, Accelerated maths 2, Psychology 2
Year 2
Sem 1 - Engineering maths, ?, ?, Breadth
Sem 2 - Foundations of electrical networks, engineering computation, ?, Breadth
This should satisfy needing 3 maths for an eng major too?
rustic_metal:
--- Quote from: mankay on January 14, 2011, 09:33:28 pm ---Alright sweet. One issue though, Physics 1 says i require VCE Physics or equivilent. I didn't do Physics 3+4. Do they actually check prereqs for VCE subjects?
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Physics 1: Fundamentals is the subject you're after.
And yes, they do. While the academic transcript you receive at uni only has your overall marks and grades for each subject, the faculty has access to a far more detailed transcript of every subject you've done since year 11 and a bunch of other things. Your GAT scores, study scores, marks for each 3/4 subject (as in how each subject is split into GA 1-3 or whatever they're called), uni assessment marks, uni grades, enter score, umat, etc. It's all loaded onto the database, too, so the enrolment system checks that you've done 3/4 physics when you enrol in Physics 1. Don't even try to get a hold of that transcript, though. They don't give it out to students and generally never mention it either (it looks like a Campion booklist, so it's obviously not something you'd give to your boss ;D)
--- Quote from: mankay on January 14, 2011, 09:33:28 pm ---Yeah i did spesh, as well as UMEP (basically Accelerated Maths 1).
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Awesome. UMEP maths is basically the ultimate tool for fucking with the system at uni and getting away with a load of shortcuts.
--- Quote from: mankay on January 14, 2011, 09:33:28 pm ---i'll be taking credit for UMEP
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Why? That's the last thing you want to do! :P If you take credit for UMEP, it means you get one subject less overall (23 over three years instead of 24) and you'll have to do 3 subjects for one semester, which will basically screw up your plans, lol.
--- Quote from: mankay on January 14, 2011, 09:33:28 pm ---i *need* psych 1 for accrediation if i go down that path
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Doable.
--- Quote from: mankay on January 14, 2011, 09:33:28 pm ---This should satisfy needing 3 maths for an eng major too?
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Nah, you don't need that.
Given that you've done UMEP...
1st year 1st sem:
- Mind, brain & behaviour 1
- Physics 1: fundamentals
- Chem 1 (It'll give you a taste and let you see if you want to continue with it, anyway).
- Breadth (dropping ESD1 - lulz)
1st year 2nd sem:
- Engineering Maths
- Physics 2: technology
- Mind, brain & behaviour 2
- ESD2
2nd year 1st sem:
- Eng mech
- Biological psych OR developmental psych
- Engineering Computation (H1)
- Breadth
2nd year 2nd sem:
- Foundations of electrical networks (FoEN)
- Breadth
- Cognitive psych OR personality and social psych
- Breadth
That'll give you the option to choose any two of psych (that accredited thing you're talking about - why aren't you just taking honours, again? :S), electrical eng, mechanical eng and software eng.
Just be careful with eng maths. Carnage (the subject coordinator) doesn't think UMEP is enough to do eng maths (which it totally is), so he kicked my mate out of it, even though he'd already got a waiver from the student centre. I, on the other hand, was in exactly the same situation, but I didn't get kicked out. The difference? He went to class, realised he wasn't on the roll and chased it up, so Carnage realised he did UMEP and not calc 2 + lin alg. Meanwhile, I wagged basically every lecture and never went to tutes, so he didn't even know who I was. Moral of the story: don't go to class or you might get kicked out.
If you have trouble getting into eng maths at the start of the year (you enrol in both semesters at once) or you want to play it extra safe...replace chem 1 with breadth, eng maths with accel maths 2 and any of the 2nd year breadth subjects with eng maths.
...I should get a job at the student centre.
mankay:
--- Quote from: rustic_metal on January 14, 2011, 11:46:15 pm ---
--- Quote from: mankay on January 14, 2011, 09:33:28 pm ---Alright sweet. One issue though, Physics 1 says i require VCE Physics or equivilent. I didn't do Physics 3+4. Do they actually check prereqs for VCE subjects?
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Physics 1: Fundamentals is the subject you're after.
And yes, they do. While the academic transcript you receive at uni only has your overall marks and grades for each subject, the faculty has access to a far more detailed transcript of every subject you've done since year 11 and a bunch of other things. Your GAT scores, study scores, marks for each 3/4 subject (as in how each subject is split into GA 1-3 or whatever they're called), uni assessment marks, uni grades, enter score, umat, etc. It's all loaded onto the database, too, so the enrolment system checks that you've done 3/4 physics when you enrol in Physics 1. Don't even try to get a hold of that transcript, though. They don't give it out to students and generally never mention it either (it looks like a Campion booklist, so it's obviously not something you'd give to your boss ;D)
Ah sweet, that should sort that out. However, i Just looked at the pre-reqs for Physics 2, and that requires "Vce physics 3+4" and doesnt have any mention of "or equivilent". Am i screwed? :P
--- Quote from: mankay on January 14, 2011, 09:33:28 pm ---Yeah i did spesh, as well as UMEP (basically Accelerated Maths 1).
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Awesome. UMEP maths is basically the ultimate tool for fucking with the system at uni and getting away with a load of shortcuts.
Yeah, that's partially why i did it :P Thought it might open up a few doors :D
--- Quote from: mankay on January 14, 2011, 09:33:28 pm ---i'll be taking credit for UMEP
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Why? That's the last thing you want to do! :P If you take credit for UMEP, it means you get one subject less overall (23 over three years instead of 24) and you'll have to do 3 subjects for one semester, which will basically screw up your plans, lol.
Oh really? I thought it would do the opposite (i.e. i'd get another subject to do). So if i dont take credit, i still can use it as pre-req for other subject yeah
--- Quote from: mankay on January 14, 2011, 09:33:28 pm ---i *need* psych 1 for accrediation if i go down that path
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Doable.
--- Quote from: mankay on January 14, 2011, 09:33:28 pm ---This should satisfy needing 3 maths for an eng major too?
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Nah, you don't need that.
Given that you've done UMEP...
1st year 1st sem:
- Mind, brain & behaviour 1
- Physics 1: fundamentals
- Chem 1 (It'll give you a taste and let you see if you want to continue with it, anyway).
- Breadth (dropping ESD1 - lulz)
1st year 2nd sem:
- Engineering Maths
- Physics 2: technology
- Mind, brain & behaviour 2
- ESD2
2nd year 1st sem:
- Eng mech
- Biological psych OR developmental psych
- Engineering Computation (H1)
- Breadth
2nd year 2nd sem:
- Foundations of electrical networks (FoEN)
- Breadth
- Cognitive psych OR personality and social psych
- Breadth
That'll give you the option to choose any two of psych (that accredited thing you're talking about - why aren't you just taking honours, again? :S), electrical eng, mechanical eng and software eng.
Haha AWESOME :) You seem to be able to work the system well :D
Just be careful with eng maths. Carnage (the subject coordinator) doesn't think UMEP is enough to do eng maths (which it totally is), so he kicked my mate out of it, even though he'd already got a waiver from the student centre. I, on the other hand, was in exactly the same situation, but I didn't get kicked out. The difference? He went to class, realised he wasn't on the roll and chased it up, so Carnage realised he did UMEP and not calc 2 + lin alg. Meanwhile, I wagged basically every lecture and never went to tutes, so he didn't even know who I was. Moral of the story: don't go to class or you might get kicked out.
Noted.
If you have trouble getting into eng maths at the start of the year (you enrol in both semesters at once) or you want to play it extra safe...replace chem 1 with breadth, eng maths with accel maths 2 and any of the 2nd year breadth subjects with eng maths.
Hmm, you enroll in both semesters as once now? Can you change your second semester subjects mid sem-1?
...I should get a job at the student centre.
You should! i'll even give you a reference :P
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