Post limit?

[andy456]

True:  agree to  disagree then??

[iNerd]

True:  agree to  disagree then??

Yes.

Thanks for the fascinating discussion maintained in a rational and logical tone

[iamtom]

And? What's the problem with that? That's the POINT of the resources. You're helping yourself, with the exams, the notes... it's when you post asking for help on a question that you're not.

Basically to get you must give. It's a simple principle really - if you want a birthday present from a friend you also have to give that same friend a birthday present (on their birthday).

It's as andy456 said:

"I can understand where your coming and I can see validity in your point of contributing to get something"

You seem to take a very hostile approach. I'm merely throwing up a suggestion, tone it down.

The idea of 'gift': to give without expecting anything in return. If you give your friends presents if they give you one, good on you, however that is not the definition of what it is trying to achieve. And I'm not being hostile, however I will be if you would like me to

I will personally write exams and essay questions/topics for people to answer and complete. Does that mean I should expect something in return? I would never. I would be happy knowing people can possibly succeed better than they ever had the chance to before.

Hmm fair enough I guess.

But once again those without resources can easily get them - by contributing.

Meh this is going in circles - I'm out for the night.

You should stay and defend your argument. I can see the merit in it, however in this environment it is wrong.

[iNerd]

^

Nah I'm tired and I've agreed to disagree.

But one thing you said interested me.

"...not in this environment."

What environment would you suggest then?

[iamtom]

A forum where such a practice is, and always has been, implemented. ie., not VCEnotes. I feel VCEnotes' selling point in that everything can be accessed by everyone. You want to remove that accessibility.

[iNerd]

A forum where such a practice is, and always has been, implemented. ie., not VCEnotes. I feel VCEnotes' selling point in that everything can be accessed by everyone. You want to remove that accessibility.

What? Remove that accessibility? That sounds like complete and total control and segregation which is clearly over-the-top. My point was to get members to actually contribute to gain that accessibility - I'm not suggesting removing it entirely. Also these practice exams are a privilege - not a right. And privileges can be taken away. Once again this will go in circles so I agree to disagree

[andy456]

A forum where such a practice is, and always has been, implemented. ie., not VCEnotes. I feel VCEnotes' selling point in that everything can be accessed by everyone. You want to remove that accessibility.

He isn't suggesting that the accessibility is removed. Just that it is 'harder' (but not really) to access these resources.
I can see that your passionate about this issue which is a good thing and I'm all for it but maybe we should tone it down a bit. ATAR has agreed to disagree about the issue as he has pointed out the argument is just a circle that we will continue to follow

[Water]

A forum where such a practice is, and always has been, implemented. ie., not VCEnotes. I feel VCEnotes' selling point in that everything can be accessed by everyone. You want to remove that accessibility.

50 Post implementation might be far fetching it, however, 30 post implementation might be adequate or even a 20 post implementation.

Yes, it is a privilege, that resources is  accessible. At the same time, through ATAR's idea,  posting implementation , say 20 - 30, which is achievable in like a week, we are encouraging more communication within the community and at the same time, promoting the forum by compelling students to participate rather than "get but not give". This also encourages student who primarily were lurkers to participate in the forum. Just as someone who is "not confident" do activities to boost their confidence, it works on the same principle.

Or alternatively, we can stick with what we are now, and let lurkers reign. You choose.

[jane1234]

The only reason some people sign up here is to get those resources... and they may desperately need them and not have the time to get 50+ posts... Personally the only reason I joined was to see the methods exam answers last year... but then I learned about all the other things VN has to offer - and even the stuff I could help other people with... that's why I stuck around. So if you restrict it people aren't going to be bothered signing up in the first place...

[iamtom]

Pretty much. Most people come for the resources, stay for the people. You make them post to GET those resources, and you won't even get the people.

A forum where such a practice is, and always has been, implemented. ie., not VCEnotes. I feel VCEnotes' selling point in that everything can be accessed by everyone. You want to remove that accessibility.

What? Remove that accessibility? That sounds like complete and total control and segregation which is clearly over-the-top. My point was to get members to actually contribute to gain that accessibility - I'm not suggesting removing it entirely. Also these practice exams are a privilege - not a right. And privileges can be taken away. Once again this will go in circles so I agree to disagree

So what you're saying is, as I read it, "control is bad, segregation is bad... but I suggest we control it anyway"?

This argument is actually going no-where. ATAR never will - and never has - budged from his "argument", so I simply refuse to comment on it anymore. I've made my views clear - if not, read again.

[iNerd]

^

Key word - control

Your key word? - remove

(lol I never suggested to remove it completely...)

That is all. Now I am seriously sleeping and once again I agree to disagree - if not, read again.

[iamtom]

God you're a pedantic twat. Far out man.

"AGREE TO DISAGREE, AGREE TO DISAGREE"

but as soon as someone backs down, you instantly pounce on them to prove some semblance of superiority.

far out brah... that's not a great trait to have.

[iNerd]

God you're a pedantic twat. Far out man.

"AGREE TO DISAGREE, AGREE TO DISAGREE"

but as soon as someone backs down, you instantly pounce on them to prove some semblance of superiority.

far out brah... that's not a great trait to have.

Sigh. Clearly words are important in a debate and there's a massive difference between control and remove.

To me it sounds like a mini-rage because you're argument is slipping away and no I'm not trying to be superior but trying to emphasise that you've blown this way out of proportion which is a "bad trait to have". Furthermore I tried to end this a good 15minutes ago.

[andy456]

God you're a pedantic twat. Far out man.

"AGREE TO DISAGREE, AGREE TO DISAGREE"

but as soon as someone backs down, you instantly pounce on them to prove some semblance of superiority.

far out brah... that's not a great trait to have.

Really??
Is there really a need to stoop to petty name calling over the internet??

Obviously he doesn't want this discussion to become an outright debate so he has signified that the discussion is going no-where (which it isn't) and has agreed to disagree with you and me.

Just to clarify

A forum where such a practice is, and always has been, implemented. ie., not VCEnotes. I feel VCEnotes' selling point in that everything can be accessed by everyone. You want to remove that accessibility.

This was not what he was arguing.

[iamtom]

By imposing a restriction upon who can access and who cannot access the material, he is removing the accessibility. You may think otherwise, but when it comes down to it, you can either access it as soon as you register, or you can not.

As for 'petty name calling over the Internet', sure. I refuse to be mocked by some guy who seems to feel a need to "improve" the website.