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Menang:
So if I'm weak I'm supposed to accept the fact that I am weak and let the strong dominate me, because it is in their nature to do so? That's a massive naturalistic fallacy, and I personally think that if someone is, for example, physically weak, they're allowed to make up for that in cleverness or any other form they so choose, including a moral construct.

While I agree with Nietzsche that spending your energies on an 'imaginary revenge' isn't very helpful, if moral constructs protect one from attack, then by all means go ahead and do your best to enforce them.

mel_77777:
You're right in everything you are saying.
However, i believe Nietzsche to be the most realistic. There are always going to be people ahead of us, as you said, in some situations we are the slave and in others the master which i believe Nietzsche does not touch on, even so in each situation we are in, we must accept our placing. From my interpretation, one may be considered the master in terms of their intelligence but the slave in terms of physical strength. I go back to Nietzsche's analogy, the lamb is a lamb it cannot learn to kill, that is not in its nature but there are things that are in its nature and things that the lamb can only do and in these he is the master.
It's about accepting the situation you are in.

Dr.Lecter:
In ways he is very similar to Callicles' from Plato's Gorgias. He suggests that everyone should aspire to become the 'ubermensch' or 'superman' - one who frees themselves from being bound to something, ie; institutional authority, morality, religion...etc. Society would end up similar to this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l84MdfAox0Y

Menang:

--- Quote from: mel_77777 on May 23, 2011, 10:04:41 pm ---You're right in everything you are saying.
However, i believe Nietzsche to be the most realistic. There are always going to be people ahead of us, as you said, in some situations we are the slave and in others the master which i believe Nietzsche does not touch on, even so in each situation we are in, we must accept our placing. From my interpretation, one may be considered the master in terms of their intelligence but the slave in terms of physical strength. I go back to Nietzsche's analogy, the lamb is a lamb it cannot learn to kill, that is not in its nature but there are things that are in its nature and things that the lamb can only do and in these he is the master.
It's about accepting the situation you are in.




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I definitely agree with you that Nietzsche values perspective - accepting the situation you're given and making the most of it. I think that's a good way to look at life.

As stated before, though, I don't agree with the compartmentalising of nobles and slaves, and I absolutely disagree with him that moral concepts are bad because they derive from ressentiment because:
a) Not all moral constructs are derived from ressentiment and
b) even if they are, slaves have every right to use moral constructs to defend themselves.

mel_77777:
And a moral construct that is not derived from ressentiment would be?

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