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Menang:

--- Quote from: mel_77777 on May 23, 2011, 10:18:10 pm ---And a moral construct that is not derived from ressentiment would be?

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As an umbrella moral concept: Doing your best, pushing yourself.
And in that I guess you can include:
Suicide: generally accepted as a negative moral aspect of society, because it's not beneficial to yourself. Although is can be a reaction to the exterior world, it's not done in order to limit the nobles and therefore not entirely ressentiment.
Gluttony: it's wrong to over eat because over eating if harmful to yourself - again, it's not defensive to an exterior world.
Bascially any moral concepts that are for your own good, as opposed to limiting other's dominance.

Dr.Lecter:
Socrates' would say something like 'the good of the soul always outweighs the good of the body', hence birth is given to morality.

mel_77777:
I mean no harm in saying this but acts such as gluttony and suicide can be escape routes for the weak. It's like drowning your sorrows by drinking alcohol which is something Nietzsche frowned upon. He also has a strong disregard for religion for it does this exact same thing, God will love us no matter who we are etc. This type of thing is regarded by Neitzsche as ignoring the situation one is in, it is somewhat similar to the slave morality in how they define the master as being bad and everything that is unlike them as being good and as such they define themselves as good.

Menang:

--- Quote from: mel_77777 on May 23, 2011, 10:35:23 pm ---I mean no harm in saying this but acts such as gluttony and suicide can be escape routes for the weak. It's like drowning your sorrows by drinking alcohol which is something Nietzsche frowned upon. He also has a strong disregard for religion for it does this exact same thing, God will love us no matter who we are etc. This type of thing is regarded by Neitzsche as ignoring the situation one is in, it is somewhat similar to the slave morality in how they define the master as being bad and everything that is unlike them as being good and as such they define themselves as good.



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Haha, fair point. Gluttony and suicide probably aren't the best examples. But think of moral concepts like 'doing your best' (asian parents, lol) or working hard. I find it hard to believe these derive from ressentiment.
Of course, this is assuming that we all accept 'do not murder' and 'do not steal' as being derived from ressentiment. Nietzsche thinks so, but I can easily disagree and say that these laws were made not because the weak were scared of the strong, but because there was a universal agreement that murder and theft is harmful to the general populace. That's how Aristotle would have seen it. So it's also a matter of perspective, I guess. :)

mel_77777:
I think the notions of 'do not murder' and 'do not steal' can again be seen as deriving from ressentiment. It's the slave morality right there, the birds of prey killing the lambs, so the lambs say it is wrong to murder so they can be seen as good.

Furthermore, i don't necessarily agree that these are universally accepted as such, but are more so dictated by the scoiety in which one lives. The killing of Osama Bin Laden for example was celebrated by many.

Anyway, haha i think we may need to agree to disagree here.

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