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Re: Bozo's queries
« Reply #120 on: October 25, 2011, 07:12:45 pm »
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fuck insight
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« Reply #121 on: October 27, 2011, 07:22:04 am »
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Amen to that lol.

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« Reply #122 on: October 28, 2011, 04:45:43 pm »
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quick question
do you guys think that the graph given for the induced emf with the frequency halved is wrong?
doesnt really look like the period has doubled...

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« Reply #123 on: October 28, 2011, 04:48:44 pm »
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It's wrong, and I'm guessing it's an insight? :P

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Re: Bozo's queries
« Reply #124 on: October 28, 2011, 05:04:16 pm »
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yep lol
typical

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« Reply #125 on: October 29, 2011, 01:07:02 am »
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(sorry to hijack thread)
but any ideas on how to do this one?

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« Reply #126 on: October 29, 2011, 10:40:23 am »
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(sorry to hijack thread)
but any ideas on how to do this one?
Well the electrons in the atom are being bombarded with energy. I presume it's not that different from being bombarded with photons.

This means we follow "Bohr's Postulates" and that any of the possible energies must be discrete. My approach to finding out the discrete energies is inefficient, it involves guessing at what a number will be and then punching it into the calculator (and then repeating until I find one that matches). This usually works on the simpler questions where you don't need to find out much.

So, elimination:

It cannot be 10.2 eV (E), so it cannot be (F). A few quick calculations show that it can't be 1.4eV (B) - (the smallest I found was 1.6). This also allows us to eliminate (A).

We are left with (C) and (D) to check.

My method seems a bit inefficient, I might be missing a few numbers.

A better way might be to systematically punch in numbers (e.g. 10.4 - 8.8, then 10.4 - 6.7 etc. and when you do all the 10.4 calculations, drop down to 8.8 - 6.7 (you won't need to do 8.8 - 10.4, since you've already done it at the start - only difference is the answer will be negative).

I don't know why I wasn't doing that before. I went through all the possible discrete energies in about 1 minute. Which raises a problem, none of the energies matched the energies in the list. I'm confused, is there anything I'm forgetting?

Oh of course. Emerging electrons. The energies listed are the energy after the electron has been emitted. The electrons are left with a bit of extra kinetic energy. I should have realised this earlier, it would have made calculations quicker.

To quickly show you all the possible calculations, I just used excel:


So we can get B - 1.4, C - 3.5, D - 5.3

Sorry for the almost stream of consciousness style, I can't be bothered editing the post to just focus on the correct working out.

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Re: Bozo's queries
« Reply #127 on: October 29, 2011, 10:54:34 am »
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answer is F :/
lol
but its TSFX, so I'm inclined to believe you over them
thanks

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« Reply #128 on: October 29, 2011, 11:05:58 am »
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answer is F :/
lol
but its TSFX, so I'm inclined to believe you over them
thanks
I'm not sure how 'E - 10.2eV' could possibly be the excess kinetic energy given to an electron. 10.2 eV is the energy being bombarded, an electron cannot emerge without at least some of that energy being used up.

I'm inclined to believe myself over TSFX as well :P

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« Reply #129 on: October 29, 2011, 11:25:00 am »
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wtf loL!!? what's wrong with these companies!?
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« Reply #130 on: October 29, 2011, 11:53:41 am »
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We are talking about electrons, not photons so it's possible for it to give out parts of it's energy instead of the whole thing. Its possible that the electrons don't give any energy to the mercury atom, hence e). B C and D is after electrons give 8.8, 6.7 and 4.9ev to the atom. The problem is a), when the electrons leaves the collision with 5.3ev, it may collide with another atom right? Let's say that it did, it can give off 4.9ev to the new atom so it will be left with 0.4ev.

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Re: Bozo's queries
« Reply #131 on: October 29, 2011, 12:47:44 pm »
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Thanks for the explanation xZero

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« Reply #132 on: October 29, 2011, 02:03:25 pm »
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Wait so just to clarify, it is ONLY WITH PHOTONS, that for energy to be omitted the energy of the photon must match the discrete energy level exactly - otherwise nothing will happen. (disregard ionization)

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« Reply #133 on: October 29, 2011, 02:27:32 pm »
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Wait so just to clarify, it is ONLY WITH PHOTONS, that for energy to be omitted the energy of the photon must match the discrete energy level exactly - otherwise nothing will happen. (disregard ionization)
Yeah, photons can only exist as discrete amounts of energy. For the electron to move to a higher/lower state, the energy of the photon must match the difference between the energy levels exactly.

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Re: Bozo's queries
« Reply #134 on: October 29, 2011, 02:31:34 pm »
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and it can only go from ground state up yeah?
i.e. cant go from n=2 to n = 3?