UMAT

[kido_1]

You can spend so much time and money on UMAT and still stuff up big time.

[cara.mel]

I hate all the sections. But section 1 makes the most sense to me.

Section 2 seems so damned subjective and mind-reading-ish - how the hell am I supposed to know what someone is thinking? Everyone is different, feelings don't follow a rule :roll:

Section 3 is gay cos I suck at it

section 3 is the only one I've seen people practise for at school/before this week at all , in study period. I liked those because I could work most of them out, and then had to explain them because the silly umat book they were using didn't have explanations to the answers. Some of them I guessed and couldn't explain though xD
section 1 looks good.
do you have more section 2 questions? just to see if I can do them. Because in RL I would definitely be useless at it. I'm just curious to see that, if all other features of spoken language are removed (eg stress, intonation, pauses, non-fluency features (um), 'body language') and I am left with only the discourse, if in that situation I am better at working out what other people are feeling. Even though these are scripted/fake situations (I hope) it is a reflection of RL and should still be useful.

(sorry for my use of english language words! *goes to corner as punishment*)

[kido_1]

Section 1 is a bit tight on time though.

[ninwa]

AHHH MY EYES! NOT ENGLISH LANGUAGE MUMBO JUMBO!!


... ahem. anyway.

all the sections were tight on time for me in the UMAT ^^ although yes, section 1 was the worst seeing as I only finished half of it -.-

[huangers]

section 1 is tough if you can't read quickly or you can't process info fast

hence why i didnt do well in it haha.

section 3 is really the only one you can practice for (as mentioned above) because theres generally a pattern you can follow, and after a while you become more aware of what to look out for.

[Toothpaste]

UMAT2008 will be held on Wednesday 30 July 2008.

[Eriny]

Those section two questions seem more like a language ability and interpretation test than an "empathy" one. I got them all right and I'm definitely not doctor material (I get sick when people just talk about arteries, listening to someone sniff/sneeze/cough makes my eyes start to water and I fainted when we were watching a video about hepititis C in year 7, lol).

Just thinking, there is a shortage of rural doctors yet lots of perfectly capable applicants are turned down for medicine. Couldn't there be an admission program for people who could potentially be good doctors but who didn't get the marks to become med students on condition that they agree to work in rural communities for at least 3 years prior to graduation or something?

[BA22]

Those section two questions seem more like a language ability and interpretation test than an "empathy" one. I got them all right and I'm definitely not doctor material (I get sick when people just talk about arteries, listening to someone sniff/sneeze/cough makes my eyes start to water and I fainted when we were watching a video about hepititis C in year 7, lol).

Just thinking, there is a shortage of rural doctors yet lots of perfectly capable applicants are turned down for medicine. Couldn't there be an admission program for people who could potentially be good doctors but who didn't get the marks to become med students on condition that they agree to work in rural communities for at least 3 years prior to graduation or something?

There is a scheme exactly like that, in fact several

Bonded med places ensure students work in a designated area of need equal to the number of years of their course
Medical rural bonded scholarships (MRBS) allocate $23,000 a year to students who agree to work in rural area for 6 years after their course
Almost all unis have rural entry schemes or admission lists
Monash and melbourne have an extended rural cohort scheme in which students undertake 5 of their 6 clinical semesters in a rural area

[Eriny]

lol, that's good then. It's ridiculous how some rural areas have a shortage of doctors/dentists/mental health professionals/etc., I'm glad that unis are doing something about it.

[squance]

A question....

I have been considering Pharmacy at Monash as a course but because 58% of people who took the UMAT beat me, I'm considering Engineering....

but what if....

-I get an ENTER of 95+
-Get the required study scores in my subjects
-Have applied for SEAS (special consideration) in two catergories....
even though i have a crap umat score, would the university offer me a place?

[golids]

A question....

I have been considering Pharmacy at Monash as a course but because 58% of people who took the UMAT beat me, I'm considering Engineering....

but what if....

-I get an ENTER of 95+
-Get the required study scores in my subjects
-Have applied for SEAS (special consideration) in two catergories....
even though i have a crap umat score, would the university offer me a place?

depends i guess, you might want to ask the uni to see how much weighting they have on the UMAT

for instance i know that Monash's selection in med is heavily based on the UMAT, so pretty much screw up the UMAT and you won't get considered regardless of how good your ENTER is. On the other hand UoM are more likely to disregard a poorish UMAT if your ENTER is awesome.

don't know if it is the same for pharmacy but more than likely it will be

[bebobebo]

Considering the inept medical students that plague hospitals like vermin nowadays, i think its safe to say the umat has very little to do with potential or ability in the medical field. im not sure what would be a better replacement....maybe an undergrad course. an innate sense of logic means little in the big scheme of things, and it can be faked anyway with a good umat course. i think that if the enter score is borderline, then umat should be taken into account.

[BA22]

bebobebo, if i may say with no offence intended, you are in year 11, so i wouldn't think you'd have the experience to call med students inept. They are underskilled definently, but that's the point.

I can only assume then, that you are refering to communication skills and ability to work under their supervisiors properly, sure that might be the case in some places, but to call it an infestation is highly generalistic. Uni of melbourne don't interview candidates so these skills are not assessed

What do you mean undergrad course?

Med is undergrad at most unis in Australia

An innate sense of logic can mean a lot, logic skills are assessed in an interview, especially at monash where one must perform a de-tech excercise. A person whose skills are more innate reacts more natrually to an interviewer and comes accross as more confident. An innate sense of logic can acelerate your learning of the various modules during the foundation years of the course. Each uni weights the UMAT differently anyway. James Cook uni reckons it's a crock of shit and they ignore it all together. Univeristy of Newcastle only use UMAT as a subrank in final selection, and infact nearly every other university gives the most or equal most weight to the interview. The only university which doesn't do this s melbourne, and their course ceases to take students via this pathway next year

[bebobebo]

ive done a few weeks of work experience with medical students and have heard from numerous sources that they dont measure up to overseas students. being layman and all, by undergrad i meant what melb uni is doing by making a general 'biomedicine' course prior to medicine. being a yr 11 and all, all im saying is that there might be better ways to assess potential students' suitability than trivial trivium.

[midas_touch]

*Bump for 08ers*

UMAT = Load of Shite.