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Student Unionism: Should it be Compulsory or Voluntary?

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enwiabe:
We already pay taxes and that will not change. Allocating a little bit of those taxes to unions will not make much difference. The taxes are paid by those already working and gaining income. To ask students who do not necessarily have job and whose university tuition fees are a number one priority, this is a bit more of an ask. All I'm asking for is a bid of a budget reshuffle. A tiny one, miniscule, even.

brendan:

--- Quote from: "enwiabe" ---We already pay taxes and that will not change. Allocating a little bit of those taxes to unions will not make much difference.
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Taxation in itself is not justified. The justification for the compulsion of payment of monies to the Commonwealth Government is inherently linked to what those monies will be spent on. It is an undeniable fact, that when government decides to give funds to any person or group, that those funds are ultimately taxpayers' money - the resources of the Australian people taken by coercion through the use of state force. To give federal government funds to student unions is effectively to give special privileges to some by visiting burdens on many. If we take your logic, where will it end? By your logic there is no end, the people can be coerced to give up their income and wealth to any group, organisation, or person for any purpose conceivable, as long as the amount is "little". But who is to determine what is little and what is large? Indeed, what is "little"? Is $2,000,000 a little? Is $80,000,000 a little? But even if it was $1, the truth of my statements remains, and it makes no difference whether the amount of money involved is $1 or $1 billion.

enwiabe:
We belong to the nation state of Australia. The reason why we enjoy probably the best quality of life the world over is that we contribute to each other's success. We all pay taxes, we all submit ourselves to the democracy that we enjoy today. If you don't like it, I encourage you to go and live in a country with no taxation policy - see how that works out for you.

I will be more than happy to pay my taxes when I start earning income. This notion of it being a 'coercive' measure that they're taking YOUR money and it's YOURS is just downright selfish. Now I'm sorry, but we live in the Australian community and we need to support each other. Some of my tax money will be going to aged care and the indigenous etc. Funds that will not benefit me. I'm more than happy to see it happen. I want to give back to the country that has given me so much, and so should you. Who's going to be footing alot of my medicare bill if I have a nasty accident and need surgery? The government. Who will foot the bill for my pension in old age? The government. Who builds the roads I will drive on, the infrastructure that makes everything so damned convenient and sets up ombudsmans to ensure fair trading practises? The government. How do they do it? With our tax monies. Go to Panama, there's no tax there, but see how caring the government is for your rights, and the lengths they'll be willing to go to for you.

Collin Li:

--- Quote from: "enwiabe" ---We belong to the nation state of Australia. The reason why we enjoy probably the best quality of life the world over is that we contribute to each other's success. We all pay taxes, we all submit ourselves to the democracy that we enjoy today. If you don't like it, I encourage you to go and live in a country with no taxation policy - see how that works out for you.

I will be more than happy to pay my taxes when I start earning income. This notion of it being a 'coercive' measure that they're taking YOUR money and it's YOURS is just downright selfish. Now I'm sorry, but we live in the Australian community and we need to support each other. Some of my tax money will be going to aged care and the indigenous etc. Funds that will not benefit me. I'm more than happy to see it happen. I want to give back to the country that has given me so much, and so should you. Who's going to be footing alot of my medicare bill if I have a nasty accident and need surgery? The government. Who will foot the bill for my pension in old age? The government. Who builds the roads I will drive on, the infrastructure that makes everything so damned convenient and sets up ombudsmans to ensure fair trading practises? The government. How do they do it? With our tax monies. Go to Panama, there's no tax there, but see how caring the government is for your rights, and the lengths they'll be willing to go to for you.
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How do these things rank as low as student unionism?

enwiabe:
Rephrase please? I'm not sure I understand your question. What do you mean by "things"?

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