the driving age should be raised to the age of 18

[bubble sunglasses]

 
 a forensic scientist would have to test whether they were "human ashes". Not sure how hard that would be

[costargh]

It's all very fine and dandy interpreting acts in a literal sense but judges aren't retarded.

I haven't done legal since 2007 but I remember there were differnt ways that a judge can interpret laws. Like using different approaches. Like literal, golden? Lol i think i made golden up.

But yes my point is that such a case would in almost all certainty fail in court, imo.

[costargh]

Purpose approach
If the judge feels that using the literal approach to interpreting the words in the act will not achieve the intention of the parliament when the act was originally passed, the judge will interpret the words in the act using the purposive approach. this involves looking at its purpose and what the act was intended to achieve when it was originally passed.

- Justice and Outcomes, 8th Ed. pg 170

I think this approach best describes what I am trying to describe above.

[excal]

How it works in aviation is that all your hours must be with an instructor until you go solo. There is plenty of audit trails when it comes to this.

Perhaps enforcing a minimum (lower) amount of hours with an instructor (e.g., at least 10-20 hours). Or, we could simply make the test a lot tougher (including making it much longer with more content). The standard that we test at is far lower than other countries (e.g., Germany).

[hard]

How it works in aviation is that all your hours must be with an instructor until you go solo. There is plenty of audit trails when it comes to this.

Perhaps enforcing a minimum (lower) amount of hours with an instructor (e.g., at least 10-20 hours). Or, we could simply make the test a lot tougher (including making it much longer with more content). The standard that we test at is far lower than other countries (e.g., Germany).

but germany have the auto-bahn

[bubble sunglasses]

How it works in aviation is that all your hours must be with an instructor until you go solo. There is plenty of audit trails when it comes to this.

Perhaps enforcing a minimum (lower) amount of hours with an instructor (e.g., at least 10-20 hours). Or, we could simply make the test a lot tougher (including making it much longer with more content). The standard that we test at is far lower than other countries (e.g., Germany).

  telling me, I failed twice in England before passing with relative ease here

[excal]

That is a completely stupid suggestion. If you look at the Vicroads data, you will see that Learners have a similar incidence of being involved in a collision as a fully licensed driver. The number spikes during your first year of Ps.

The point is trying to reduce road casualties once licensed. The preparation for this occurs at the L plate level, and shouldn't occur during your Ps. Hence my suggestion of making the driving test a lot more difficult (higher barrier to entry). I don't agree that we should increase the age; hell, I think we should reduce the age so that people can get an earlier start (I would think 15, but they still can't sit their Ps until 18) because, as gonzo pointed out, L platers tend to be safer than not only P platers, but also early fully licensed drivers.

[bubble sunglasses]

 
  well, on some roads the speed limit is irrationally low, when compared with other roads' limits and their relative level of safely when driving at that limit. You see any number of people speeding on such roads.

[costargh]

The test introduced in July is quite difficult to pass compared to its previous incarnation. If I recall correctly, only about 25% of those who sit it actually pass, so it is weeding out those people who are inexperienced or stupid. I guess all that can be done is let enough time pass so that irresponsible p platers can join the glut of irresponsible licensed drivers on the road.

I am incensed by the number of impatient licensed drivers who overtake me on the road (some by going into the other lane) because I am a p plater, or because these people deem the speed I travel at (the speed limit) to be too slow.

It's about 50% pass rate. I posted the link somewhere on VN once.

[bubble sunglasses]

So are you suggesting we drive however fast or slow we want? 'irrationally slow' is quite a subjective term - ask a hoon!

  No, simply in comparison with other roads. 60kmh on dual carriageways -that is very often going to be exceeded; not making any judgements, but I'd have more sympathy for those speed ahead of me in certain situations. Not that  I'm whiter than white myself

[beezy4eva]

I don't think speeding is all that bad, depending on the circumstances. I always speed around where I live. Its a rural area but for some stupid reason the speed limit is 60. However I would never speed in a populated area.

[costargh]

I like speeding thru school zones, usually going around 65-70km an hour. I feel like im playing frogger

[Glockmeister]

I don't think speeding is all that bad, depending on the circumstances. I always speed around where I live. Its a rural area but for some stupid reason the speed limit is 60. However I would never speed in a populated area.

REBEL!

To actually contribute something to the topic though, another suggestion I was talking to excal about earlier this year (July me thinks) was requiring suspended drivers (those who have lost their licence) to re-sit the driving exam.

[kuya17]

except make the exams much more anal and really hard to pass.

[excal]

The test introduced in July is quite difficult to pass compared to its previous incarnation. If I recall correctly, only about 25% of those who sit it actually pass, so it is weeding out those people who are inexperienced or stupid. I guess all that can be done is let enough time pass so that irresponsible p platers can join the glut of irresponsible licensed drivers on the road.

I am incensed by the number of impatient licensed drivers who overtake me on the road (some by going into the other lane) because I am a p plater, or because these people deem the speed I travel at (the speed limit) to be too slow.

It's about 50% pass rate. I posted the link somewhere on VN once.

The age said it was 25% if i remember correctly but can't find the link so i may be wrong...

I still think it needs to be made, not directly harder, but longer and with more topics such as night driving and defensive driving. You can only test so much in the amount of time that you get...