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Re: 4U Maths Question Thread
« Reply #165 on: April 29, 2016, 11:01:16 am »
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Bad idea.








In principle Katherine, you are totally correct! But yes, Rui is right, this does simplify everything a fair bit.

That said, if your fraction wasn't a nice sum of cubes, say:



Then it probably becomes easier to do it your way, unless you like working with surds  ;D of course at that point you've also probably gone beyond what you would actually get asked, it just gets too tedious, they craft these questions to make the numbers work nicely... Most of the time  ;) hope this helps!

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« Reply #166 on: April 29, 2016, 11:04:53 am »
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You gotta admit though... without Wolfram or something some really messy partial fractions like that above one are tedious :P

I totally 100% agree, though partial fraction stuff is still probably a little tame compared to some of the stuff I've worked with. Engineering is tedious by nature  ;) Wolfram Alpha has definitely lightened my workload numerous times in the last 3 semesters!  ;D

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Re: 4U Maths Question Thread
« Reply #167 on: April 29, 2016, 10:31:26 pm »
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Wolfram Alpha has definitely lightened my workload numerous times in the last 3 semesters!  ;D

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Re: 4U Maths Question Thread
« Reply #168 on: April 30, 2016, 11:58:04 pm »
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Hey,
I'm currently doing the volumes of solids topic and the question is:
By taking slices work out the volume of the area enclosed within the circle (x-1)^2 + y^2 = 1 rotated about the y-axis
I'm not getting to the answer and I don't know where the mistake is. I would appreciate some help
Thank you  :)
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Re: 4U Maths Question Thread
« Reply #169 on: May 01, 2016, 11:23:52 am »
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Hey,
I'm currently doing the volumes of solids topic and the question is:
By taking slices work out the volume of the area enclosed within the circle (x-1)^2 + y^2 = 1 rotated about the y-axis
I'm not getting to the answer and I don't know where the mistake is. I would appreciate some help
Thank you  :)
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Hey there aoifera! Welcome to the forums!  ;D

That's a bit of a nasty one you've got there, but let's have a look  :) using geometric formula for the volume of a horn torus, I'm expecting an answer of 2 pi squared, so let's see how I go  :)

The volume of the solid when you rotate the circle about the y-axis is interesting. What we should do is separate the circle into two halves:



This separates the circle into the two halves, left and right. The volume when we rotate the circle around the y axis is just the volume when we rotate the right hand side, minus the volume when we rotate the left hand side. So, we set up our formula like so;



At this point we should use symmetry to simplify slightly (which we can do because this is an even function we are integrating):



Now we can use a substitution here, the easiest is probably:



Or, you can consider the integral geometrically. The area under the curve from 1 to 0 is just a quarter of the area of a unit circle. Whichever method you choose:



I hope this helps!! It might be ever so slightly different to how the slices method usually works, I didn't do Extension 2 in the HSC, I'm just doing the question how I'd do it at uni ;D

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Re: 4U Maths Question Thread
« Reply #170 on: May 01, 2016, 03:15:19 pm »
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Hey,
I'm currently doing the volumes of solids topic and the question is:
By taking slices work out the volume of the area enclosed within the circle (x-1)^2 + y^2 = 1 rotated about the y-axis
I'm not getting to the answer and I don't know where the mistake is. I would appreciate some help
Thank you  :)
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To do in terms of volumes is in attachment (just in case jamon's didn't suffice). Like he said though, it's pretty similar :)

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Re: 4U Maths Question Thread
« Reply #171 on: May 01, 2016, 03:48:21 pm »
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To do in terms of volumes is in attachment (just in case jamon's didn't suffice). Like he said though, it's pretty similar :)

Oh wow it's actually very similar, the formal notation makes the proof a little nicer for yours though I'd say  ;D

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Re: 4U Maths Question Thread
« Reply #172 on: May 01, 2016, 04:00:23 pm »
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The Extension 2 student is indeed required to formally derive (using a method similar to how integration originated from) what exactly the volume of each disk/washer or cylindrical shell. The following two formulas should only be used as an aid to see if you were headed in the right direction:



When tackling volumes problems, more notoriously with shells however in both cases the first criteria is to determine what the radius is. Especially with shells and determining the correct outer/inner radii of the annulus cross section. Height for cylindrical shells is usually very easy.



Obviously, replace x with y or whatever whenever appropriate

A side note on parallel cross sections - these are done similarly, requiring derivations as well, but they typically need to be handled with more care.
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Re: 4U Maths Question Thread
« Reply #173 on: May 01, 2016, 06:50:24 pm »
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Hey guys!

I'm a bit stuck on which substitution to use with integrating x/(x2 + x)3/2. Would anyone mind helping me out a bit? Thank you so much!!!
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Re: 4U Maths Question Thread
« Reply #174 on: May 01, 2016, 07:25:58 pm »
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Hey guys!

I'm a bit stuck on which substitution to use with integrating x/(x2 + x)3/2. Would anyone mind helping me out a bit? Thank you so much!!!






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Re: 4U Maths Question Thread
« Reply #175 on: May 02, 2016, 12:52:31 pm »
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What a disgusting integral .... Thank you so much rui ~!!!!!!! <3
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Re: 4U Maths Question Thread
« Reply #176 on: May 02, 2016, 07:12:48 pm »
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how to solve
integral of 1/(1+tanx) thanks

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Re: 4U Maths Question Thread
« Reply #177 on: May 02, 2016, 08:58:24 pm »
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how to solve
integral of 1/(1+tanx) thanks



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Re: 4U Maths Question Thread
« Reply #178 on: May 02, 2016, 10:26:19 pm »
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how to solve
integral of 1/(1+tanx) thanks

The substitution method Rui mentioned above, just in case you were tempted, starts like this. Rui's method is definitely easier if you spot it, but this will get you there too (and admittedly what my first instinct was)  ;D





You then perform a partial fraction decomposition on the integrand, and go from there. If you wanted to see more let me know, but yeah, if you do ever spot shortcuts like the one Rui suggested, snap them up  :D


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Re: 4U Maths Question Thread
« Reply #179 on: May 03, 2016, 01:39:15 am »
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how to solve
integral of sinx /[ 2+cosx - cos^2(x) ]   and integral of 1/(e^2x + 4e^x + 9)
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