How hard for a Study Score of 35-39

[PePPaRoz]

Could someone please tell me what kind of sac marks, exam mark and basic class ranking I'd need to be situated upon to reach around a 35 to 39 study score?

All this ranking stuff is driving me insane and I need some reassurance lol.
 

[Flaming_Arrow]

High A's

[TrueTears]

Depends really on what subject

sometimes you can get an A and still get 45+

[ZachCharge]

Out of curiousity for next year, what about these classes;

Methods
Spec
Chemistry
English
History
IT App
VET Business

[EvangelionZeta]

A rating out of 10 in terms of difficulty, assuming you're a bit above average...

Methods - 6/10
Spec - 9/10
Chemistry - 7.5/10
English - 4/10
History - 7/10
IT App/VET Business - No idea

These are rough estimates btw.  Just that Spesh is DEFINITELY the hardest and English is DEFINITELY the easiest.

[iamdan08]

For sciences and maths for 35 you usually need around an average of low A's. For 39 you need an average of very high A's bordering on A+'s. Yes, you can get a B+ and still get 35, but that would mean that the other A's would be slightly higher.

[polky]

A rating out of 10 in terms of difficulty, assuming you're a bit above average...

Methods - 6/10
Spec - 9/10
Chemistry - 7.5/10
English - 4/10
History - 7/10
IT App/VET Business - No idea

These are rough estimates btw.  Just that Spesh is DEFINITELY the hardest and English is DEFINITELY the easiest.

Not necessarily.  I did Methods, Spec, Chem, English and History, and English definitely wasn't the easiest one for me.  Personally, Chem was easiest, then History, Methods, and Spec/English have equal difficulty.

Depends on how your brain is wired.  Some people are naturals at some things and not that good at others.

[Eriny]

A rating out of 10 in terms of difficulty, assuming you're a bit above average...

Methods - 6/10
Spec - 9/10
Chemistry - 7.5/10
English - 4/10
History - 7/10
IT App/VET Business - No idea

These are rough estimates btw.  Just that Spesh is DEFINITELY the hardest and English is DEFINITELY the easiest.

That whole ranking thing is rather silly. As polky said, it depends on what you're good at. Besides, even if you are quite good at a subject, you still have to work really hard to get into the high 30s or past the 40s. In some subjects working really hard will get you even less. Getting a good mark (in any subject, really) is much more difficult than what many students want to recognise, but it's a good idea to actually recognise this if you don't want any nasty surprises on results day.

Besides, in theory, after scaling has been accounted for, each subject will be of equal difficulty. This may not always be true, I don't know, but definitely the mark-up you get for spesh ought to count out the additional difficulty of it, if indeed it actually is more difficult.

[EvangelionZeta]

Well, I'll admit they weren't entirely accurate, but I think it's still pretty clear that in terms of raw scores, most people are far more likely to do well in Spesh than in Eng.  Specialist is (generalising) typically done by people who are confident in maths, whereas English is done by pretty much everyone in the state...

[hard]

Well, I'll admit they weren't entirely accurate, but I think it's still pretty clear that in terms of raw scores, most people are far more likely to do well in Spesh than in Eng.  Specialist is (generalising) typically done by people who are confident in maths, whereas English is done by pretty much everyone in the state...

what? no that's not correct at all.

it's based on a burl curve, not chance.

[EvangelionZeta]

Ok, maybe I'm not explaining myself clearly enough.

Let's take person A "Joe".  Joe is (beyond all logic) a "truly average" person; he is literally the median in the state for every single subject available under the VCE if everybody in the state did every single subject. 

Now, Joe is doing English, Specialist Mathematics and Chinese.

Without claiming to be 100% realistic, his study scores for the four are going to be approximately 30, 25 and 20.

Why?

English has a cohort which is pretty much the entirety of the state, since everybody must choose one of English/ESL, English Language and Literature.  Furthermore, statistically speaking English has the largest number of people doing it each year, with about 100 people getting a 50 annually (and a few thousand getting in the top 8% of the state).  From this, we can surmise that a VERY large number of people do English, including both the hard-working students and the students who are going to do nothing but get high on weekends.  Logically then, Joe's study score for English would be pretty close to the median of the state, ie. 50.

Specialist Mathematics, on the other hand, has a much smaller cohort, with less than a thousand people each year getting 40+.  Furthermore, the people who do it are typically within the higher echelon of mathematically-talented students, although at the same time there are "weaker" students who either just enjoy maths or want a high markup subject.  The former (I am assuming) would typically be the majority of the people doing the subject, so as a result, on the bell curve, Joe is going to be in the lower half, since there are less people in the lower half of the state's mathematical talent pool doing the subject than the ones in the upper half.

Finally, Chinese is most likely going to be Joe's weakest subject study score-wise.  This is because statistically speaking, by year 12, the vast majority of people doing Chinese already have some sort of Chinese speaking background (I can't say I have the article source on me, but if you look at the top scorers for Chinese each year, it should be pretty clear...).  For Joe, who is a non-background speaker, this means he is going to be in the disadvantaged minority, as most of the people doing Chinese are going to be the ones in the "upper half" of the state who are above his "median" status.  Thus, he is going to have a lower study score in Chinese than for English.

I'm not sure if I've phrased/explained some of that very well, but that's the general gist of it.  I also realise that some of the premises are very silly (eg. the very existence of Joe), but the truth is that for some subjects (particularly Chinese), what I have stated isn't too far from reality...

[mtwtfss]

lulzzz its a truly case by case issue

[kurrymuncher]

Ok, maybe I'm not explaining myself clearly enough.

Let's take person A "Joe".  Joe is (beyond all logic) a "truly average" person; he is literally the median in the state for every single subject available under the VCE if everybody in the state did every single subject. 

Now, Joe is doing English, Specialist Mathematics and Chinese.

Without claiming to be 100% realistic, his study scores for the four are going to be approximately 30, 25 and 20.

Why?

English has a cohort which is pretty much the entirety of the state, since everybody must choose one of English/ESL, English Language and Literature.  Furthermore, statistically speaking English has the largest number of people doing it each year, with about 100 people getting a 50 annually (and a few thousand getting in the top 8% of the state).  From this, we can surmise that a VERY large number of people do English, including both the hard-working students and the students who are going to do nothing but get high on weekends.  Logically then, Joe's study score for English would be pretty close to the median of the state, ie. 50.

Specialist Mathematics, on the other hand, has a much smaller cohort, with less than a thousand people each year getting 40+.  Furthermore, the people who do it are typically within the higher echelon of mathematically-talented students, although at the same time there are "weaker" students who either just enjoy maths or want a high markup subject.  The former (I am assuming) would typically be the majority of the people doing the subject, so as a result, on the bell curve, Joe is going to be in the lower half, since there are less people in the lower half of the state's mathematical talent pool doing the subject than the ones in the upper half.

Finally, Chinese is most likely going to be Joe's weakest subject study score-wise.  This is because statistically speaking, by year 12, the vast majority of people doing Chinese already have some sort of Chinese speaking background (I can't say I have the article source on me, but if you look at the top scorers for Chinese each year, it should be pretty clear...).  For Joe, who is a non-background speaker, this means he is going to be in the disadvantaged minority, as most of the people doing Chinese are going to be the ones in the "upper half" of the state who are above his "median" status.  Thus, he is going to have a lower study score in Chinese than for English.

I'm not sure if I've phrased/explained some of that very well, but that's the general gist of it.  I also realise that some of the premises are very silly (eg. the very existence of Joe), but the truth is that for some subjects (particularly Chinese), what I have stated isn't too far from reality...

you have waaaay too much time on your hands

[EvangelionZeta]

I do Philosophy.  All you do is write out hypothetical situations like this, except with some more extensive arguments attached.

[hard]

whatever dawg