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Re: UoM General Chat
« Reply #16725 on: January 04, 2017, 04:20:24 pm »
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Wow, thank you very much - both for the detailed reply and for the good news! :D

To be honest, physiology wasn't the one I was worried about: it was definitely my strongest out of the three in second year, and it ties in with my major from Biomedicine. In comparison, my recall of second year anatomy is not great and I barely remember anything from biochemistry at all. Since you reckon it's not necessary to do that much, I'll probably hold off on reviewing all of that content in the remaining weeks of these holidays. Instead, I was thinking of maybe just doing some light reading over my notes from second year now. In particular I'm thinking I should probably leaf through my biochemistry notes from BIOM20001 and maybe the anatomical principles content from BIOM20002 (i.e. the part before we delved into systems anatomy where we had to learn all the structures). It might just help me get back into the rhythm of studying again, and if I get stuck at least I might have a rough idea of where I can go for further information. Do you think that's about right, or still way too much?

You can definitely have a bit of a skim over the stuff, particularly the anatomy. But all the anatomy really starts from scratch, and with the exception of one lecturer who only does a few lectures, is taught really, really well. Jenny Hayes really does do a fantastic job with the anatomy and delivers it in such a way that you'll find it pretty easy to pick up on.
I wouldn't worry too much about the biochem though. From memory, the only actual biochem you cover is:

-structure of haemoglobin
-fat transport (similar to Alana Mitchell's lecture in Frontiers)
-alcohol metabolism
-haemoglobin metabolism (so basically production of bilirubin etc)
-metabolism of foods (similarish to the Joel Bornstein lectures from second year)
-type two diabetes (insulin signalling, pathogenesis of type two diabetes etc—awesome lecture)

Then in semester two you cover:

-three lectures on carbohydrate metabolism (very different to second year, they don't want you to rote learn steps, just to get the key concepts and understand how metabolism is different in different organs and in cancers)
-thyroid hormone production and signalling
-steroid hormone production and signalling



I've probably missed a couple. It'd be handy to have some basics of molecular biology and have the bear basics of protein structure. So it'd actually be more fruitful to skim the basics of cell biology, if anything at all.
It looks like a lot of this is metabolism, and it is, but it's completely different to what you experienced in second year. You have to learn some steps, but only the ones with genuine clinical relevance. The focus shifts from rote learning the crap out of everything, to actually understanding the biochemistry in the context of your broader knowledge. If you understand the concept of a rate-limiting step and the idea that metabolic pathways overlap (as well as the basic substrate product crap) then you're really set for the biochem.

The good thing about the cores is that they're really well taught, with perhaps the exception of physiology at some points of the year. They've really gone to a lot of effort to make things manageable.

So sure, skimming is fine to get your head in the right place, but don't worry about it tooo much
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« Reply #16726 on: January 04, 2017, 09:02:41 pm »
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Would you tell a VCE student to prepare for their first year of Biomed by revising their VCE biology/chemistry?
Preparing before the year is probably just not worth the effort, given how much time it'll consume during the year.

I enrolled in an online course with UoM and the new LMS is remarkably improved over what I remember :/

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Re: UoM General Chat
« Reply #16727 on: January 04, 2017, 11:59:18 pm »
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You can definitely have a bit of a skim over the stuff, particularly the anatomy. But all the anatomy really starts from scratch, and with the exception of one lecturer who only does a few lectures, is taught really, really well. Jenny Hayes really does do a fantastic job with the anatomy and delivers it in such a way that you'll find it pretty easy to pick up on.
I wouldn't worry too much about the biochem though. From memory, the only actual biochem you cover is:

-structure of haemoglobin
-fat transport (similar to Alana Mitchell's lecture in Frontiers)
-alcohol metabolism
-haemoglobin metabolism (so basically production of bilirubin etc)
-metabolism of foods (similarish to the Joel Bornstein lectures from second year)
-type two diabetes (insulin signalling, pathogenesis of type two diabetes etc—awesome lecture)

Then in semester two you cover:

-three lectures on carbohydrate metabolism (very different to second year, they don't want you to rote learn steps, just to get the key concepts and understand how metabolism is different in different organs and in cancers)
-thyroid hormone production and signalling
-steroid hormone production and signalling



I've probably missed a couple. It'd be handy to have some basics of molecular biology and have the bear basics of protein structure. So it'd actually be more fruitful to skim the basics of cell biology, if anything at all.
It looks like a lot of this is metabolism, and it is, but it's completely different to what you experienced in second year. You have to learn some steps, but only the ones with genuine clinical relevance. The focus shifts from rote learning the crap out of everything, to actually understanding the biochemistry in the context of your broader knowledge. If you understand the concept of a rate-limiting step and the idea that metabolic pathways overlap (as well as the basic substrate product crap) then you're really set for the biochem.

The good thing about the cores is that they're really well taught, with perhaps the exception of physiology at some points of the year. They've really gone to a lot of effort to make things manageable.

So sure, skimming is fine to get your head in the right place, but don't worry about it tooo much

Would you tell a VCE student to prepare for their first year of Biomed by revising their VCE biology/chemistry?
Preparing before the year is probably just not worth the effort, given how much time it'll consume during the year.

I enrolled in an online course with UoM and the new LMS is remarkably improved over what I remember :/

You raise interesting points. Perhaps I felt guilty given we got sent an email about it. Perhaps they do it because they get a tonne of requests from keen students? You make a very good case for me doing nothing at all. I like it. Let's hope my conscience holds and I don't study out of guilt. Thanks guys. :D
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Re: UoM General Chat
« Reply #16728 on: January 05, 2017, 12:09:45 am »
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You raise interesting points. Perhaps I felt guilty given we got sent an email about it. Perhaps they do it because they get a tonne of requests from keen students? You make a very good case for me doing nothing at all. I like it. Let's hope my conscience holds and I don't study out of guilt. Thanks guys. :D

I doubt it's the keen students. I suspect that a lot of the feedback has pointed towards students feeling unprepared coming into MD1 and this is their way of addressing that. Personally, I'm not convinced that it helps at all, but it gives them something to point to if anyone criticises them for not preparing you.

The reality is that no one really comes in prepared. The first few weeks are fairly bracing, but you get through on sheer excitement and by the time that dissipates you realise you've found your groove.

There's nothing wrong with having a flick through stuff you're doing this year though or just having a read of medical shit on theconversation or something. Just recognise you're doing it to pique your interest
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Re: UoM General Chat
« Reply #16729 on: January 06, 2017, 09:03:45 pm »
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Does anyone have the lecture notes or recordings for NEUR30002 (Neurophysiology: Neurons and Circuits), NEUR30003 (Principles of Neuroscience), OPTO30007 (Visual Neuroscience), or PSYC10003  (Mind, Brain & Behaviour 1), by any chance? :)

Also, what are some light breadth/science subjects- can be at any level.

Thanks!!
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Re: UoM General Chat
« Reply #16730 on: January 07, 2017, 01:45:04 am »
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Hey, did anyone here do vector calculus last year (semester 1 specifically if the lecturers change)?  I'm wondering if the lecture recordings are sufficient as I may not be able to attend them all due to work. I might just do a breadth instead if they aren't.

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Re: UoM General Chat
« Reply #16731 on: January 07, 2017, 04:58:12 pm »
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Does anyone have the lecture notes or recordings for NEUR30002 (Neurophysiology: Neurons and Circuits), NEUR30003 (Principles of Neuroscience), OPTO30007 (Visual Neuroscience), or PSYC10003  (Mind, Brain & Behaviour 1), by any chance? :)

Also, what are some light breadth/science subjects- can be at any level.

Thanks!!

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Re: UoM General Chat
« Reply #16732 on: January 08, 2017, 07:58:57 am »
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Where can I hire a locker which has 24 hr access at uni, or somewhere near uni? I know the graduate student association has some available but I don't think I'm allowed because I'm undergrad. Any way to bypass this?
Just to confirm, the student union lockers aren't 24hr right, as union house closes at like 6?

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« Reply #16733 on: January 12, 2017, 08:41:52 pm »
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hey people, if anyone could help me out with  my study plan (psych) I'd love you forever; see post

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« Reply #16734 on: January 12, 2017, 10:42:58 pm »
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Pretty likely if you get it in like at 10:00am sharp or whenever they start.
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« Reply #16735 on: January 13, 2017, 02:16:00 pm »
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You'll probably get your preferences if you're in by 10am and choose everything by 10:05 LOL but sometimes they change the tutes so different days/times may show up when you make your actual timetable

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« Reply #16736 on: January 13, 2017, 05:21:57 pm »
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Thanks Orb and tashhhaaa for your replies. I'm just a little confused as to why you're both saying 10am, as VTAC said offers are released 2pm. Is 2pm just for it being public/on VTAC? / will unimelb send offer at 10am?

They're talking about the time class registration opens. See https://ask.unimelb.edu.au/app/answers/detail/a_id/5768/~/class-registration-dates
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« Reply #16737 on: January 15, 2017, 12:31:22 am »
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« Reply #16738 on: January 16, 2017, 06:32:29 am »
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Does anyone know a place where students (or anyone) can get cheap/reasonably priced legal advice? Just for help with some small business law and contract stuff

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Re: UoM General Chat
« Reply #16739 on: January 16, 2017, 03:18:27 pm »
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Hey everyone,
Quick question: I enrolled in ANAT20006 for Sem 1, but I'm considering pushing it pack to 3rd year because I'm doing it as a med prereq and probably don't intend to major in HSF (more likely biochem). If I withdraw from the subject, does it affect how my application will be assessed for future quota intake?

Also, are there any potential issues which could arise from taking anatomy and physiology in 3rd year instead of 2nd year?
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