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Re: 50 in English, available for queries :)
« Reply #750 on: November 16, 2014, 08:42:32 pm »
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Hey Lauren,
Did you have any specific system for collating external examples for Context that you think would work best? Like by prompt, aspects of the context etc. And in what format?

When did context external examples, I had 3 main headings for different context key areas which you should be able to find in your context and then within each large heading, I broke it down into smaller ideas and the key external examples I had found for each. I did conflict so I'll give you an example

To give you a bit of my own personal advice for what I did for Conflict this is how I grouped it.
3 MAIN Headings:
1) Causes of Conflict
2) Nature of Conflict
3) Results of Conflict

I had about 3-4 different ideas for each and external examples under each.
I had  bit of textual contextualisation of the example and then specific quotes and then I had a few sentences describing how it related to the idea.

I found this helped me organise my thoughts - and it was all on a word document, throughout the year I added to it and refined it and before exams I just memorised most of it so in the actual exam, I had plenty to draw from and it was all ordered in my brain under the different ideas.

(inb4 Lauren  ;) - she might have a different system - hope my thoughts help in some way!)

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Re: 50 in English, available for queries :)
« Reply #751 on: November 16, 2014, 10:11:01 pm »
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Hey Lauren,
Did you have any specific system for collating external examples for Context that you think would work best? Like by prompt, aspects of the context etc. And in what format?
Hmm... good question.
It'd depend on your essay style of course; I'm assuming you're doing an expository/ hybrid piece?
The types of examples you collect will also influence your note-taking; in the early stages you'll probably be collating a whole bunch of research (esp. for the denser evidence) Whereas, as you add things throughout the year, you might only need a few key words to remind you of your discussion points.
For the sake of reading and researching over the holidays, just a general word doc. should be fine, maybe with some links at the bottom to potential prompts or context-related talking points.
Then, once you've built up a little repository for yourself, you can start grouping them. Most contexts can be neatly divided into between 4-6 sub-categories (eg. for conflict, the widely accepted areas are nature, causes, responses, consequences, and resolutions.) However, these don't account for everything, and there are a number of prompts that deliberately blur these lines (eg. 'The causes of conflict is less important that how it affects people' ~ I think this is a past VCAA one?)

As a parallel task, I'd recommend collating all the prompts you come across too. I've listed all I could find on the updated English stickies, but even they're not conclusive. However, I'd say aspects of the context make a better sorting system than actual prompts. So once you've got a list, start categorising them too, and you'll find a lot of overlap.

When I did this in late Term 3 of last year, these were the areas I came up with:
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CONFLICT PROMPT FOCI:
conflict = a test, necessity for survival/ happiness/ betterment etc.
conflict = destructive, inessential
conflict --> unites and/or divides
fairness, justice, morality
blame, aftermath, what this says about us?
test of relationships/ empathy/ values
heroes, bystanders, villains
beginning and end of conflict = definable? important?
absence of conflict? possible? good?
freewill, able to control conflict, or our response?
breakdown in communication/ understanding/ perspective
internal vs. external
cause/ response/ consequence/ resolution <-- which is more important, or tells us more about ourselves?
I'm yet to come across a prompt that doesn't conform to one or more of these topics (though the 2013 exam came close :P)

Once you've got something resembling the above, you can use that to match up your examples, eg. if you wanted to discuss the Very Hungry Caterpillar as your external example, you would write 'necessity for survival, freewill, and internal vs. external' or whatever you felt was most relevant. Practice paragraphs can help clarify focus too; if you've got an example that doesn't seem to fit, write about it and see where it takes you. Or consider what an ideal prompt would be for you to discuss the example and write one yourself.
^Using a colour code for these might be helpful too; it can also point out glaring holes in what your examples cover, eg. if green=what happens in the absence of conflict, and there are no green examples in your collection, then maybe that's an area to look into.

In terms of format, DO NOT do what I did and handwrite it all... such a waste of time. Word docs are definitely preferable, and much easier to copy+paste.

Alternatively, you may not need such an extensive list. If you trust your abilities to discuss an example in a variety of ways, and possibly for prompts you've never considered, then some general headings should suffice.
I guess it comes down to your confidence levels; I was terrible at context and wanted the security of knowing I had all, or at least most bases covered. Whereas I know others who could confidently dive into anything armed with whatever they'd written about last week. Definitely worth experimenting - you'll have heaps of time to fine tune your approach to everything.

I'll be updating the Examples List soonish but I'd welcome suggestions from everyone: '14ers who didn't want to share their stuff before the exams, or '15ers who want to expand upon one of those subheadings. Plus, you can pretty much just suggest a general direction and I'll compile some context-related goodness, so it's a free opportunity to get someone else to research your ideas ;)
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Re: 50 in English, available for queries :)
« Reply #752 on: November 17, 2014, 07:45:20 am »
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When did context external examples, I had 3 main headings for different context key areas which you should be able to find in your context and then within each large heading, I broke it down into smaller ideas and the key external examples I had found for each. I did conflict so I'll give you an example

To give you a bit of my own personal advice for what I did for Conflict this is how I grouped it.
3 MAIN Headings:
1) Causes of Conflict
2) Nature of Conflict
3) Results of Conflict

I had about 3-4 different ideas for each and external examples under each.
I had  bit of textual contextualisation of the example and then specific quotes and then I had a few sentences describing how it related to the idea.

I found this helped me organise my thoughts - and it was all on a word document, throughout the year I added to it and refined it and before exams I just memorised most of it so in the actual exam, I had plenty to draw from and it was all ordered in my brain under the different ideas.

(inb4 Lauren  ;) - she might have a different system - hope my thoughts help in some way!)

I apologise for impersonating the queen of English.

While I didn't do Conflict, I did do a summary table for all my external ideas for context (which was Whose Reality). I've attached this if you want to look at it. I found it a really nice way to begin developing my ideas and work my way out. I then used big sheets of paper and key points of different external examples on the paper in the lead up to the exam.

I also highly recommend just doing single paragraphs using external examples if doing expository or persuasive. So like pick a prompt, figure out which external example/s relate best and write. I found this really helpful because I thought some of the examples I had were good, but it turns out they weren't all that good to write about compared to others, so it helped me to whittle down which ones I should focus on more because they were more versatile.

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Re: 50 in English, available for queries :)
« Reply #753 on: November 17, 2014, 08:30:50 pm »
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Very helpful, thanks to all three of you. You're all awesome.  ;D

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« Reply #754 on: December 12, 2014, 10:50:29 pm »
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Hey Lauren! I could really use your wisdom :D

I finished year 10 this year, and am studying English next year. I received DUX of my school in English Core this year (although there was an english advanced class) and i'm really looking to succeed next year.

We are doing AOS2 first up next year, and the context is Whose Reality?. The book we have to read for it is The Shark Net by Robert Drewe, which is pretty much a memoir of the authors childhood.

I really need some advice for these holidays. I have read about a third of it but I feel like nothing is sinking in, like it's just a bunch of endless facts (e.g Callum woke up. Callum brushed his teeth. Callum caught the bus, etc). I also need to be able to use the book a source and generate ideas about Whose Reality?.

Can you please help me on how I should study it so I can know the book inside out, generate ideas about Whose Reality for it, and pretty much be able to know why things have been mentioned in the memoir and what that tells about the author. I have always found my ideas from novels to be very weak and unjustified links when I use evidence in my essays.

Thanks so much! Enjoy holidays!
 
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Re: 50 in English, available for queries :)
« Reply #755 on: December 13, 2014, 08:30:48 am »
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Hey Lauren! I could really use your wisdom :D

I finished year 10 this year, and am studying English next year. I received DUX of my school in English Core this year (although there was an english advanced class) and i'm really looking to succeed next year.

We are doing AOS2 first up next year, and the context is Whose Reality?. The book we have to read for it is The Shark Net by Robert Drewe, which is pretty much a memoir of the authors childhood.

I really need some advice for these holidays. I have read about a third of it but I feel like nothing is sinking in, like it's just a bunch of endless facts (e.g Callum woke up. Callum brushed his teeth. Callum caught the bus, etc). I also need to be able to use the book a source and generate ideas about Whose Reality?.

Can you please help me on how I should study it so I can know the book inside out, generate ideas about Whose Reality for it, and pretty much be able to know why things have been mentioned in the memoir and what that tells about the author. I have always found my ideas from novels to be very weak and unjustified links when I use evidence in my essays.

Thanks so much! Enjoy holidays!

Hi there,

At this stage, I wouldn't stress too much about not being able to develop ideas about Whose Reality from your text. First readings serve as a way for you to just read the text. So, just read it. Don't worry about possible prompts, ideas and concepts just yet. I'd recommend reading all your English texts at least once over summer, and then if you still have time and no other homework to complete, then start to re read this text.

As a person who did do Whose Reality, the ideas surrounding this context can be very frustrating initially. Some broad concepts you could think about upon a second/third reading are things like memories, subjectivity, how emotions influence experience, perception etc. Hopefully this helps a bit!

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Re: 50 in English, available for queries :)
« Reply #756 on: December 13, 2014, 11:26:14 am »
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Hi there,

At this stage, I wouldn't stress too much about not being able to develop ideas about Whose Reality from your text. First readings serve as a way for you to just read the text. So, just read it. Don't worry about possible prompts, ideas and concepts just yet. I'd recommend reading all your English texts at least once over summer, and then if you still have time and no other homework to complete, then start to re read this text.

As a person who did do Whose Reality, the ideas surrounding this context can be very frustrating initially. Some broad concepts you could think about upon a second/third reading are things like memories, subjectivity, how emotions influence experience, perception etc. Hopefully this helps a bit!
Thanks! Yes I certainly agree, I will read it all just front cover to back cover first, and then probably again.

On the notion of reading all my english books, I have enough time in the holidays between terms to read and analyze my other english books for when we start studying them, it is just that while I did really good in english this year i was not fantastic at creating and presenting.

Our school is doing a speech on Whose Reality? in the THIRD week of term one and an expository essay in the FIFTH week of term one. I just really want to do better than my peers again and am worried (not stressing, just a little cautious) I won't be able to develop sophisticated ideas when the time comes to write.

Do you have any suggestions on how i link the memoir (and consider its not a novel, a memoir) and Whose Reality upon my second/third reading of the text these holidays? Will I need to know quotes and character analyses for the expository essay or do I just need to grasp ideas about reality from it.

It's just that when it says "Your writing must directly draw ideas from the text" does that mean I need to mention the text or somewhat mimic the text in my expository essay.

As much help would be awesome! Thanks  ;D :D
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« Reply #757 on: December 13, 2014, 03:24:59 pm »
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Thanks! Yes I certainly agree, I will read it all just front cover to back cover first, and then probably again.

On the notion of reading all my english books, I have enough time in the holidays between terms to read and analyze my other english books for when we start studying them, it is just that while I did really good in english this year i was not fantastic at creating and presenting.

Our school is doing a speech on Whose Reality? in the THIRD week of term one and an expository essay in the FIFTH week of term one. I just really want to do better than my peers again and am worried (not stressing, just a little cautious) I won't be able to develop sophisticated ideas when the time comes to write.

Do you have any suggestions on how i link the memoir (and consider its not a novel, a memoir) and Whose Reality upon my second/third reading of the text these holidays? Will I need to know quotes and character analyses for the expository essay or do I just need to grasp ideas about reality from it.

It's just that when it says "Your writing must directly draw ideas from the text" does that mean I need to mention the text or somewhat mimic the text in my expository essay.

As much help would be awesome! Thanks  ;D :D

I'm not trying to make you less motivated by saying this - so hear me out.
Do not stress out about the assessment tasks at the moment. It's seriously not worth it. Year 11 English is an awesome time in VCE English because it's a chance to play around with different writing styles and approaches so you can fine tune your approach come 3/4 English.

I actually hated Creating and Presenting until my Unit 4 SAC. I think the key to improving in this area is to talk your ideas through with other people. If you have a point about reality, and can use a text to illuminate your idea, then try explaining it or even writing it down to practice developing and refining your ideas. Great context ideas don't happen instantly. They take time to develop, and even then, they still require refinement.

In terms of linking directly to the text, you could start by thinking of what the text suggests about reality. One of my WR texts was Death of a Salesman (a great play, would recommend reading it for enjoyment actually). I wrote out a list of statements about reality on big sheets of butcher's paper and then brainstormed what the text says about this statement, examples from the text, whether the text challenges the ideas of the statement/prompt etc. But don't stress if you can't immediately begin linking ideas to the context from the text and vice versa, class discussions in the early stages of your study of the context will help you develop your ideas immensely.

If you're going to do expository, then you need to use the ideas of the text in regards to the context in your discussion. So if it's about how past experiences influence current understanding, you make profound judgements about this concept if it is grounded in the text (side note - I used this example as it was apparent in DOAS which I did for the exam. I have no idea if it also applies to your text). You can address your text in an expository piece with one "body" paragraph so to speak, and then use the raw concepts in the text and kind of build out from there.

Hope this helps!
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Re: 50 in English, available for queries :)
« Reply #758 on: December 21, 2014, 10:08:53 pm »
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Hey Lauren! (btw I like how all these start off with "hey/hi Lauren" haha)

For The War Poems, we were basically given the compilation of poems, and frankly I have no idea what to do with them, because it's different to a normal novel in that its an anthology :( . What would you recommend reading all the poems one by one and attempt to analyse them over the school holidays? Or is there a recommended select few that would cater more to the VCE prompts? Honestly I have no idea how to tackle these poems at all haha.

Also, what is the difference between an introduction and a conclusion in text response? I always seem to just restate my introduction with different words, and although atm it seems to help me score ok, some higher responses manage to come up with really thought provoking conclusions and I was wondering if there was any tips on doing this!

Thanks in advanced, and I hope I haven't doubled up on the questions (I did look at the previous questions list!)  ;D
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« Reply #759 on: December 21, 2014, 11:09:10 pm »
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Hey Lauren! (btw I like how all these start off with "hey/hi Lauren" haha)

For The War Poems, we were basically given the compilation of poems, and frankly I have no idea what to do with them, because it's different to a normal novel in that its an anthology :( . What would you recommend reading all the poems one by one and attempt to analyse them over the school holidays? Or is there a recommended select few that would cater more to the VCE prompts? Honestly I have no idea how to tackle these poems at all haha.
hey, i'm not lauren, but i did war poems last year on the exam so hopefully i can help a bit. :)
you definitely don't need to go through all the poems. i'm pretty sure your school will give you a prescribed list that they've chosen for you to study, that will hopefully cover a broad range of ideas/themes. the ones my school chose were these (the ones in bold are the ones i thought were most important - you should definitely look over those at least):
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Inspection
Anthem for Doomed Youth
Dulce et Decorum Est
The Dead Beat
Strange Meeting
Futility
S.I.W.
The Last Laugh
Mental Cases
Parable of the Old Man and the Young
Disabled

Smile, Smile, Smile
Spring Offensive
on top of that, i also studied the next war and exposure outside of class, and i ended up using both of those in my exam piece. basically, the more poems you have, you'll be better off in that you'll have more to draw from, but make sure that you're not stretching yourself too thin. ideally i guess you should try to study 15+ poems in depth (as a vague guess) to make sure you're able to cover everything. we got some pretty easy prompts for owen this year, so they might bring out something obscure for you guys. be prepared for the worst, just in case.

also, you might have some trouble understanding some of the poems at first. if you're completely stumped, there are a bunch of 'translations' available on the internet to help you understand what's going on, though it might be a good idea to try your hardest to come up with ideas on your own, free from external influence, cos original ideas and interpretations are always good to have in english. some poems are definitely more straightforward than others, but the complicated ones are generally the ones you're going to get the best analysis from.
over the holidays though, don't worry about analysis too much. your teacher will guide you through a lot of that. our teacher suggested that we write a short summary of each poem on a list of 10 that he gave us, and that's all we were told to do for text response over the holidays. i think that set us up well for studying the poems in class, so if your teacher hasn't set any work, i'd recommend doing that before you get into any analysis.

the war poems was a really interesting text so have fun with it :P

i feel like i should leave the conclusion question to lauren, cos she'll probably have a better idea than i do heh
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« Reply #760 on: December 22, 2014, 12:07:59 am »
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Hey Lauren! (btw I like how all these start off with "hey/hi Lauren" haha)

For The War Poems, we were basically given the compilation of poems, and frankly I have no idea what to do with them, because it's different to a normal novel in that its an anthology :( . What would you recommend reading all the poems one by one and attempt to analyse them over the school holidays? Or is there a recommended select few that would cater more to the VCE prompts? Honestly I have no idea how to tackle these poems at all haha.
Going over the ones Paulrus has outlined should be your main concern. If I'm not mistaken VCAA doesn't actually specify which Selected Poems you're studying, just that they're from the anthology, but you'll get a good sense throughout the year of which ones have a lot of good discussion fodder in them, and which aren't so dense.

The Wilfred Owen Association is a great little site that has a discussion about all of his major poems and a couple of minor ones, so that might make for good holiday reading too. Otherwise, simply googling a poem title with 'resources' or 'analysis' will take you to a few other good points of reference.

Something I found helpful when studying poetry, especially since you're expected to make connection between poems as well as analysing them, print out a copy, pin them up on a wall in your house somewhere and make a mindmap of sorts. You could wait until you've read a few synopses and just do this exercise with the titles and key points in each poem, but in general this will help you think about the text holistically and not just as ~20 separate poems.

Also, what is the difference between an introduction and a conclusion in text response? I always seem to just restate my introduction with different words, and although atm it seems to help me score ok, some higher responses manage to come up with really thought provoking conclusions and I was wondering if there was any tips on doing this!

Introductions are for saying: these are some points I'll discuss later. The conclusion is for hammering home the message in a bigger way, which ideally would involve the "thought provoking" aspect, but can just be a more abstract statement based on the prompt. Best advice would be to consider the implication of the prompt.

For example: 'Wilfred Owen's War Poems show how war changes people's priorities.'
I guarantee at least 3/4 of the state will look at this and structure an essay like so:
-Intro
-Para on war
-Para on change
-Para on people's priorities
-Conclusion
Not only is this an exemplary format for limiting your approach, but it also risks avoiding the prompt, even though each key area is being unpacked. By separating each idea and deconstructing it, yes you might get some great analysis, but you still need to be commenting on what the entire prompt is saying, not just each keyword. Assuming you can get this done in the Intro and Concl. alone is risky, it's better to integrate it into your body paragraphs to take the strain off.
A better breakdown might be:
-Intro
-Para on why war has the capacity to change people in good and bad ways
-Para on how this change occurs, what it means for those involved, and those indirectly affected
-Para on what people's priorities are/ should be, whether these are always subject to change
-Concl.
There's still a slightly segmented focus, but going into a paragraph thinking in sentences rather than key words is a lot more helpful. Essentially you'll already have a contention, and your essay will flow a lot better.
(Even though the issue of intro vs. concl. breakdowns hasn't been brought up before, there are some previous examples in T.R. and Context of 'questioning/dissecting prompts' if you need clarification on this.)

But you might notice something similar in the starts and ends of your body paragraphs (ie. restating your sub-contention) in which case try and split it up between the T.S. (eg. The idea of humility is central to the text, in particular the development of character X) and the conclusory/  zoomy-outy sentence (Therefore the author purports humility to be a necessity for understanding oneself and one's environment.)
Basically intros are just saying 'here's something important' and the conclusions are saying 'this is why it's important.' Then the body of the essay is just expanding upon what the author is saying about this importance.

In terms of coming up with these grandiose interpretations, it definitely comes with practice, and it'll depend on the text as well. For War Poems, some comment about Owen's pacifism might come in handy, or perhaps even his role as a poet. Above all else though, it depends on the prompt. If you're being asked to discuss the use of narrative voice and perspective in the anthology, and you end with a gorgeous, but irrelevant statement about the brutality of war and man's penchant for destruction, then you might earn a sympathy mark from an easily impressed assessor, but nothing more.
Always, always, always ensure your writing is relevant. It's okay to move away from your core discussion occasionally provided you have a reason for doing so, but your conclusions will be where the mark is decided, so you want to be solidifying your score, not giving the marker a chance to dock a point for irrelevance.

Going through other people's essays might help with this too. It's probably easy enough for you to look at a conclusion and either go 'this is good, this kid deserves full marks' or 'wtf even, are you trying to fail at school??' but what makes them good or bad? Are they structurally sound but poorly written? Is it just redundantly restating the contention, or worse, is it arguing a totally different point to the rest of the essay? Have they ended with a tacky quote like "it is not in the stars to hold our fate, but in ourselves. -William Shakespeare" which I totally didn't do for all my essays in Years 8-11 of English :P oh silly Lauren, you had no idea how amusing you'd be to your future self

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« Reply #761 on: December 31, 2014, 10:12:58 pm »
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Idk where to post this on AN and I don't want to start new threads.. but Lauren! I was recently given Great Expectations as a Christmas gift and had a few questions for you given youre like the repository of all English wisdom!

I would assume you have read it. Thoughts? Things to look out for? And how difficult is it to read; I haven't read Dickens before. I just finished The Great Gatsby and I would give it a 6 out of 10 (in terms of difficulty). Also, I notice that it's really long... is Dickens just verbose and pedantic with everything (because I am going to avoid reading it if so.. lol my attention span is not long) and is it actually a worthwhile/interesting read?

Thanks :)
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« Reply #762 on: January 01, 2015, 12:01:05 pm »
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Idk where to post this on AN and I don't want to start new threads.. but Lauren! I was recently given Great Expectations as a Christmas gift and had a few questions for you given youre like the repository of all English wisdom!

I would assume you have read it. Thoughts? Things to look out for? And how difficult is it to read; I haven't read Dickens before. I just finished The Great Gatsby and I would give it a 6 out of 10 (in terms of difficulty). Also, I notice that it's really long... is Dickens just verbose and pedantic with everything (because I am going to avoid reading it if so.. lol my attention span is not long) and is it actually a worthwhile/interesting read?

Thanks :)

Dickens wrote serial stories for newspapers, meaning he put a small chunk of the story in each edition of the newspaper, and people would read the whole thing gradually over time. He was also paid by the word for these stories. This is one theory as to why he wrote a number of long pieces, but it can also be explained by his seeming preference for character, plot and setting over obvious thematic messaging or didacticism (a notable exception being A Christmas Carol). He's not a pedantic writer in the way that someone like Henry James is, so his works reads as more lively and fast-paced than James' - but he is very detail-oriented, known for creating vivid characters and scenes.

For me, Dickens can sometimes take a while to get into with each book, because the description of people and places and events can make it feel like not much is happening. But the pacing of his language is quite quick, even if not much 'plot' is going by, and once you immerse yourself in the storyworld it's very engaging because things really come to life. I'm not saying you *can't* analyse Dickens thematically, but I think he's perhaps stronger as a classic storyteller, so just let yourself be told a story, kid-style.
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Re: 50 in English, available for queries :)
« Reply #763 on: January 01, 2015, 01:30:25 pm »
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I would definitely recommend Great Expectations but I know its length and density can be off-putting.
So a book I'd recommend reading first is Italo Calvino's 'Why Read The Classics.' It's basically a persuasive essay about why reading Dickens, James, Conrad etc. is so important and beneficial. It helps that Calvino is an awesome writer too, so by the end of the book you'll be so pumped, you'll want to read Ulysses cover to cover :)

Admittedly any Dickens is probably trickier than Gatsby to grasp, but it depends what sort of reader you are. If you can sit down for two hours and just plough through a book, then you'll probably become immersed quite quickly. However if you find yourself letting your thoughts wander and have to read pages over and over again before stuff finally sinks in, GE will lead you down some  interesting paths, but getting through it might become a bit laborious.

Uni won't start till March though, so you might as well dive in :)
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Re: 50 in English, available for queries :)
« Reply #764 on: January 01, 2015, 02:24:24 pm »
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Dickens wrote serial stories for newspapers, meaning he put a small chunk of the story in each edition of the newspaper, and people would read the whole thing gradually over time. He was also paid by the word for these stories. This is one theory as to why he wrote a number of long pieces, but it can also be explained by his seeming preference for character, plot and setting over obvious thematic messaging or didacticism (a notable exception being A Christmas Carol). He's not a pedantic writer in the way that someone like Henry James is, so his works reads as more lively and fast-paced than James' - but he is very detail-oriented, known for creating vivid characters and scenes.

For me, Dickens can sometimes take a while to get into with each book, because the description of people and places and events can make it feel like not much is happening. But the pacing of his language is quite quick, even if not much 'plot' is going by, and once you immerse yourself in the storyworld it's very engaging because things really come to life. I'm not saying you *can't* analyse Dickens thematically, but I think he's perhaps stronger as a classic storyteller, so just let yourself be told a story, kid-style.

This is really great advice for Dickens (referring to the last sentence). Sometimes, you might need to reevaluate ideas about why you're reading or what makes something 'good' reading. The first Dickens book I attempted was Bleak House , and I tried to make it fit my regular reading habits (which amounts to super intensive reading sessions, and a book demolished in a few days). I'll save you googling what Bleak House is and just tell you that it's pretty incompatible with that style of reading for a first-time Dickens reader lol. I think one big solution to this is just considering the writing you're reading as intrinsically valuable. Often when reading, we implicitly consider what we read to be of instrumental value, or valuable because it 'gives' us something. That is, detail about a character gives us an insight as to why they are the way they are, or detail about the fictional world's history gives us an insight into the society, and so on and so forth for all type of plot devices, character descriptions etc. In this way, we read as consumers of information that's necessary to 'complete' the task of reading the book, or something like that. You can still try this with Dickens but sometimes it just doesn't work. He might spend two and a half pages detailing fog, and you're left thinking "why the f*** do I care about this fog?", but upon asking this question you're likely missing something really valuable in Dickens. Amongst those three pages are probably a few jokes that are actually pretty funny, or some fantastically constructed sentences that are just like "damn". So, in reading the prose and just considering it as valuable for its own sake, you may just find that you enjoy Dickens a bit more. I think, like in many things, your own attitude is the defining factor, here, rather than the make-up of whatever you're approaching.

So, I'd definitely say you should read it :). If you're finding it a bit too much but still want some of the same benefits, try reading something written circa 1920-1955. The language and style will be a lot more accessible. Catcher in the Rye is a pretty cool book to read for someone who has just finished high-school, or The Bell Jar if you're more inclined towards less insufferable protagonists*.

Would definitely encourage all recent graduates to use some of their free time to chew through some amazing books of history. Reading's a habit that has phenomenal benefits, too numerous and implicit to even explain. Certainly try to chew through GE :)


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