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Re: Arts students to have difficulty finding jobs
« Reply #30 on: November 19, 2008, 10:16:58 am »
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'Gothic Fictions' linked to a page titled 'The Victorian Supernatural'. It's clearly an English course which focuses on a specific genre of Literature in the Victorian Era. Literature is more or less a subject which investigates culture through texts. I don't understand why it's so remarkably wrong?

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Re: Arts students to have difficulty finding jobs
« Reply #31 on: November 19, 2008, 06:20:30 pm »
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Wow, do you think that possibly, maybe we get the picture by now?
You dislike Arts and look down on people who do Arts. And constantly post links that don't put Arts in a good light, and are constantly negative about it, just to show how useless it is, and that doing an Arts degree amounts to nothing, and no-one who does Arts will ever be successful ever.
... he has not said anything to even imply anything else. You can't infer any of those things.
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'Gothic Fictions' linked to a page titled 'The Victorian Supernatural'. .
Fixed.

I don't understand why it's so remarkably wrong?
I never said the subject was "wrong".

you did put an anti- spin on the whole thing in the title.
How is it "anti-Arts"?
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Re: Arts students to have difficulty finding jobs
« Reply #32 on: November 19, 2008, 09:31:48 pm »
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I will say one thing though: I do not think taxpayers should be paying for 106-052 Gothic Fictions

 He was being "clever", Eriny. The above statement is suggestive of an attitude that ridicules esoteric Arts subjects, however it doesn't contain it intrinsically. You can't *prove* he feels that way. He doesn't think taxpayers should be paying for any university subject.
« Last Edit: November 19, 2008, 11:41:19 pm by bubble sunglasses »

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Re: Arts students to have difficulty finding jobs
« Reply #33 on: November 19, 2008, 09:39:13 pm »
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You can't *prove* he feels that way.

It's pretty obvious, really, we're not putting him on trial here, we don't need consensus beyond a reasonable doubt, he, like alot of people doesn't think some arts subjects are of any value, and i can't say i disagree sometimes.

But c'mon bubble sunglasses, his implication is very obvious

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Re: Arts students to have difficulty finding jobs
« Reply #34 on: November 19, 2008, 09:47:06 pm »
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You can't *prove* he feels that way.

It's pretty obvious, really, we're not putting him on trial here, we don't need consensus beyond a reasonable doubt, he, like alot of people doesn't think some arts subjects are of any value, and i can't say i disagree sometimes.

But c'mon bubble sunglasses, his implication is very obvious

 But because it's not *implicit* in what he's written, when people slam him for it, he can then say "Me? attack arts? Where have i said anything 'against arts'? Go on, quote me."

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Re: Arts students to have difficulty finding jobs
« Reply #35 on: November 19, 2008, 09:49:38 pm »
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err, i'm confused, it's very much implicit

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Re: Arts students to have difficulty finding jobs
« Reply #36 on: November 19, 2008, 09:53:38 pm »
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err, i'm confused, it's very much implicit

 Read my post at 9.31

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Re: Arts students to have difficulty finding jobs
« Reply #37 on: November 19, 2008, 09:54:39 pm »
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i did, i just assumed you were using the wrong word

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Re: Arts students to have difficulty finding jobs
« Reply #38 on: November 19, 2008, 10:08:50 pm »
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But then again, who hasn't teased their arts based colleagues

This photo has been doing the email rounds:
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*NB: Brendan does not endorse the contents of the photo. You cannot get Arts degrees from a toilet paper dispenser.

I've seen one at Monash that goes 'Pull here for Arts degree'.

On the other wall, I see a lionface and 'sup /b/'.
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Re: Arts students to have difficulty finding jobs
« Reply #39 on: November 19, 2008, 11:35:49 pm »
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But because it's not *implicit* in what he's written, when people slam him for it, he can then say "Me? attack arts? Where have i said anything 'against arts'? Go on, quote me."
Didn't the "Arts (criticism)" thread used to be titled "Arts (hate)", or something similar? I believe that's "against" Arts.

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Re: Arts students to have difficulty finding jobs
« Reply #40 on: November 19, 2008, 11:39:24 pm »
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i did, i just assumed you were using the wrong word
 
 yeah, you're right actually

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Re: Arts students to have difficulty finding jobs
« Reply #41 on: November 19, 2008, 11:48:30 pm »
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Didn't the "Arts (criticism)" thread used to be titled "Arts (hate)",
No?

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Re: Arts students to have difficulty finding jobs
« Reply #42 on: November 20, 2008, 09:42:08 am »
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I don't understand why it's so remarkably wrong?
I never said the subject was "wrong".
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But it isn't okay for the taxpayer to pay for it? Even though the generic skills picked up in such a course would be just as valuable as whatever skills you pick up, in say, commerce. The difference being that the skills one picks up in Arts are transferable and makes one versatile, as opposed to the skills picked up in career specific degrees which are less transferable but lead to a more direct path.

Probably irrelevant: To me, it made sense to study arts because it put me in touch with *knowledge*, as opposed to other degrees which are more specific, dated, mechanical, and extremely specific to our context (as in, the humanities - and law is traditionally a humanities subject - and an approximation of science have been around since thought, but many other things you can study now don't have illustrious histories, and try to explain modern things, as opposed to just things). I know this is probably an unfair portrayal of other degrees, but I'm not so obsessed with the supremacy of the current world that I feel like that's what I should limit my study to.

And in doing arts, I do have a career in mind. And back-ups if that doesn't work out.

you did put an anti- spin on the whole thing in the title.
How is it "anti-Arts"?
You aren't trying to say that you're portraying a completely balanced outlook on the whole issue, are you?
It's anti-arts because you said that 'arts students to have difficulty finding jobs' ignoring that:
a) according to the article, everyone will have difficulty finding jobs, including people who do 'generalist degrees'; and
b) the reasons why this happens has little to do with the degree itself, rather the type of people who are more likely to do the degree.
In essence, it is anti-arts because it's simplistic. The bias is fine, it's not a problem or an accusation. We're all biased, right? It's unlikely that I'll ever post a link that I totally disagree with (unless I think it's absurdly funny).

It is also rather characteristic of you to latch onto a couple of words and in turn ignore the fact that I've put together an actual argument that you 'won't' dispute. This 'anti-arts' thing is extremely peripheral (perhaps in the end, irrelevant?) to the point I was making.

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Re: Arts students to have difficulty finding jobs
« Reply #44 on: November 20, 2008, 11:03:32 am »
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  Brendan, what do you think of subjects in the vein of: Art, Pornograhpy, Blasphemy and Propaganda, The Victorian Supernatural, Film and the Body, Witches and Witch Hunting in Europe and Gothic Fictions? Do you think students gain anything from studying them? Do you think they're less worthwhile than subjects from other faculties, such as Economics and Finance, or Law or Science units?