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Year 12 Class of 2013 Discussion Thread
« on: January 31, 2013, 07:02:58 am »
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All good things come to an end, the old ones been moved so here's a fresh new thread for all our general year 12 related discussions that just don't require a new thread :)

Let's give tips, rant and support each other for the year ahead :)

I'm starting today :) I are excite. :D
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Re: Year 12 Class of 2013 Discussion Thread
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2013, 08:00:02 pm »
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Good idea. I think people have been having trouble trying to keep things school-related, so two threads seems like an appropriate solution. :)
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Re: Year 12 Class of 2013 Discussion Thread
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2013, 06:57:54 pm »
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Should I help my classmates out just before SAC's of be selfish?
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Re: Year 12 Class of 2013 Discussion Thread
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2013, 07:06:13 pm »
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Should I help my classmates out just before SAC's of be selfish?

that's a really great question actually! I guess helping one another out can be really effective, especially since you're throwing around ideas, and you can get new ideas as well. However that said, I reckon closer to Sacs personal study would probably be the best, cos at the end of the day it's all about ranking and you want to be the best you can :)
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Re: Year 12 Class of 2013 Discussion Thread
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2013, 07:10:04 pm »
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Should I help my classmates out just before SAC's of be selfish?

If they ask nicely, help them out for sure. Sometimes I find teaching others is the best way to revise and learn the content myself :)

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Re: Year 12 Class of 2013 Discussion Thread
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2013, 07:11:10 pm »
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Should I help my classmates out just before SAC's of be selfish?

Both--keep you really good ideas for yourself and share around the average/good  ones-you want a good cohort, but you need to be at the top of it :)
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Re: Year 12 Class of 2013 Discussion Thread
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2013, 07:13:03 pm »
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I've already offered help to many of my friends :) I'm always available to help if they need it. Just them asking me for help is a nice feeling (this might be due to the fact that it's the start of the term :P ). . When it's close to SAC dates, I still will be glad to help any one of my friends, however, I will not help anyone at the expense of my time if you get what I mean. If I feel I need to study, I'll ask them politely to come later so I can focus, I know my friends would respect that :). When I'm done and have free time, I'd go over and help.

Teaching also makes it easier to remember so that's something to keep in the back of my head :) I do care about rankings too, but if another person is more capable than me and scores better, I think it's fair and they do deserve the rank over me :)

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Re: Year 12 Class of 2013 Discussion Thread
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2013, 07:26:54 pm »
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I think you should help others (provided you still have time for your own study of course). Personally, I found that once things got less competitive, the general environment of the classroom was more learning orientated and everyone (including the stronger students) benefited from the more complex discussion that could be done. Also, helping others can help you to find gaps in your knowledge, and then you realise what you need to learn.   

SAC rankings will sort themselves out, and the stronger competition can push you to understand the material even better. Helping them now could improve their exam performance too, which can increase your study score.

Also, helping others can be fun :) 

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Re: Year 12 Class of 2013 Discussion Thread
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2013, 07:46:38 pm »
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Helping them now could improve their exam performance too, which can increase your study score.

Also, helping others can be fun :)

Forgot about the exam performance thing as well :) Very true!

Helping others is awesome as long as they're putting in 100%!
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Re: Year 12 Class of 2013 Discussion Thread
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2013, 09:50:01 pm »
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Do agree, but sometimes it kinda sucks when you spend one of your spares discussing, say themes in a novel, with someone else really thoroughly , then in class discussions they're like: 'Wut? I don't understand, never covered this before.' GAH!
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Re: Year 12 Class of 2013 Discussion Thread
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2013, 10:01:46 pm »
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I'd always help others if they are nice about it. Just think about it, what are the chances that helping someone else would actually move you down a rank, and them up above you from below? They'd have to be pretty close competition in the first place (with dumb luck, your SAC rank is interchangeable), and you're getting a lot out of helping them too, as it improves your understanding of the material.
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Re: Year 12 Class of 2013 Discussion Thread
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2013, 10:10:05 pm »
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I mean, if I asked politely, I'd like someone who knows more than me about that particular subject or section to give me a hand if possible. So I do the same in return :)
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Re: Year 12 Class of 2013 Discussion Thread
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2013, 10:16:07 pm »
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Do agree, but sometimes it kinda sucks when you spend one of your spares discussing, say themes in a novel, with someone else really thoroughly , then in class discussions they're like: 'Wut? I don't understand, never covered this before.' GAH!

This. Happened to me all the time so I just gave up.

I was also happy to help and even told my friends that they could ask me for help whenever they needed it.
What did annoy me though was when we had a SAC sometimes, it didn't start until 20 minutes into class (double class went for 100 minutes) so teacher would let us do want we wanted, people would ask me then for help and I would just get fustrated. It annoyed me so much and half the time just slightly freaked me out. never helped at these times as i found it unfair to myself who had worked and others were asking me to go over everything 10 minutes before the sac.
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Re: Year 12 Class of 2013 Discussion Thread
« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2013, 11:34:52 pm »
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Should I help my classmates out just before SAC's of be selfish?
Absolutely help them out. Stronger cohort is a benefit for you. If you can't outrank someone that is learning things from you then  (??)

that's a really great question actually! I guess helping one another out can be really effective, especially since you're throwing around ideas, and you can get new ideas as well. However that said, I reckon closer to Sacs personal study would probably be the best, cos at the end of the day it's all about ranking and you want to be the best you can :)
Yes, you want to be the best you can, which is entirely irrelevant to others. You can be the best you can be and have others better than you. Besides - by this logic, if you want to beat people - what's the point at them not being at their best? That's like racing a handicapped kid and calling yourself the best sprinter. You aren't the best sprinter until you race Thushan and win.

Both--keep you really good ideas for yourself and share around the average/good  ones-you want a good cohort, but you need to be at the top of it :)
Exactly, and if you have the best ideas and everyone else needs to learn from you - you're already at the top. You'll have a better understanding of the idea for explaining to people. And she's right, you want a great cohort. I knew I was going to be rank fourth in English from day dot. I sure as fucked helped ranks one through three, because I needed them to A+, and I sure as fuck helped everyone else because they'd be good for a backup and they weren't going ot beat me unless they earned it.

I've already offered help to many of my friends :) I'm always available to help if they need it. Just them asking me for help is a nice feeling (this might be due to the fact that it's the start of the term :P ). . When it's close to SAC dates, I still will be glad to help any one of my friends, however, I will not help anyone at the expense of my time if you get what I mean. If I feel I need to study, I'll ask them politely to come later so I can focus, I know my friends would respect that :). When I'm done and have free time, I'd go over and help.

Teaching also makes it easier to remember so that's something to keep in the back of my head :) I do care about rankings too, but if another person is more capable than me and scores better, I think it's fair and they do deserve the rank over me :)


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I think you should help others (provided you still have time for your own study of course). Personally, I found that once things got less competitive, the general environment of the classroom was more learning orientated and everyone (including the stronger students) benefited from the more complex discussion that could be done. Also, helping others can help you to find gaps in your knowledge, and then you realise what you need to learn.   

SAC rankings will sort themselves out, and the stronger competition can push you to understand the material even better. Helping them now could improve their exam performance too, which can increase your study score.

Also, helping others can be fun :) 
Precisely.

I'd always help others if they are nice about it. Just think about it, what are the chances that helping someone else would actually move you down a rank, and them up above you from below? They'd have to be pretty close competition in the first place (with dumb luck, your SAC rank is interchangeable), and you're getting a lot out of helping them too, as it improves your understanding of the material.
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This. Happened to me all the time so I just gave up.

I was also happy to help and even told my friends that they could ask me for help whenever they needed it.
What did annoy me though was when we had a SAC sometimes, it didn't start until 20 minutes into class (double class went for 100 minutes) so teacher would let us do want we wanted, people would ask me then for help and I would just get fustrated. It annoyed me so much and half the time just slightly freaked me out. never helped at these times as i found it unfair to myself who had worked and others were asking me to go over everything 10 minutes before the sac.
This is fair enough. People should ask you earlier, especially if it was going to throw you off your game. Happened to me as well but didn't have the same reaction.


Ultimately guys - what's if to you if someone beats you? They're irrelevant. You're in VCE to get into a dream course, prove yourself, who knows? Any reason is focused on you, and you alone. So long as you reach your goal, what's the harm in helping other people reach theirs - even if theirs is higher than yours? Don't let the stresses of VCE turn you into a snacking monstrous horrible person because you're so busy strategising over how to beat another person. Breathe deeply, appreciate the sunlight in the morning, and appreciate the pretty patterns in the clouds if there is no sunlight. Be happy you've been given the wonderful opportunity to get an education and to be the best you can be - and extend this opportunity to others.
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Re: Year 12 Class of 2013 Discussion Thread
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2013, 06:27:44 pm »
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Another little thing I'd like to say.

During the first few classes for methods, I did not understand a lot of what the teacher said. So I couldn't complete the class and homework. So when it came to doing methods homework, I was severely unmotivated. Feeling that because I'm already behind, there's not point trying to catch up, it's a horrible subject yadayada.

If you ever do feel like this. I know it may be obvious, but seriously try and force yourself to do the work! It's an amazing feeling!

It's the first damn week and I was already confused haha. But all I needed was to force myself for 10 minutes and I was getting the processes and already into it. 1 solid hour later, done the section. :)


(Don't know if I was pointing out the obvious, but I said it anyway :P)
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