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[physics]

so when you say doctors u refer to "doctors" or nurses and radiographers and surgeons and midwifes(oh yay pick me )
cause well iono what  my point was...:/

[luken93]

while we are on the topic for medicine, and i know this question is asked quite alot, but roughly what scores in UMAT, ENTER/ATAR do  you honestly need to get an interview. Some say 99+  and an extremely high UMAT, but Monash (bonded, full fee, rural etc) take about 350 yr 12's each year, and I'm sure that not every kid over 99 would go for medicine?

[shinny]

ENTER is pretty much negligible with a high UMAT. Anything above 90 for ENTER is fine as long as your UMAT is ~98ish perhaps. Interview is the main factor from my experience. I've got friends in with sub-90 ENTERs in Bonded, and one with 94 who got in first round. Really, just make sure your UMAT is over the borderline, and then nail your interview and you should be fine.

[slothpomba]

Heres the basic run down as i see it ( i am no means correct, just a med hopeful.. probably not going to make it anyway but...).

So basically,
*First of all they look at your umat score... if its to low they chuck you in the bin and your out (I'm fairly sure there's some cut off).

*Second, They consider how well you did in the interview, because face it as a doctor you need to have at least half decent communication skills. (Im not 100 on this but if the umat is higher then average theres a tiny bit of leniency for your interview to be slightly lower and vice versa). So if your interview is crap, you're chucked out again. If it isnt your kept in the pile.

*Lastly, if they still need to cull the numbers they look at the enter. I've talked to people who are in med, the lowest enter one of them has heard of is 88 and he was a rural student so he gets some slack. I'd say bare bare minimum with fantastic everything else you'd need like 92-94 maybe if your doing some kind of bonded place...probably higher for regular. (Again leniency with a higher umat/ interview)

There are far more applicants than places, because the demand is so huge this is why everything needs to be so high.

Each stage in the process is basically looking for a way to cull more of the applicants untill they get down to a suitable number.

Also note the umat results and interview take place before the release of the enter ive heard.

So they dont look at your enter off the bat, the umat and interview comes first.

I reckon the umat is really the clincher cause it decided wether you even get to have an interview...

[simonhu81292]

so around what UMAT socre is over the borderline...
thanks shinny

[shinny]

so around what UMAT socre is over the borderline...
thanks shinny

My year was 93rd percentile. This dropped last year by a point or two IIRC.

[slothpomba]

Is it achieveable you reckon or is it pretty darn hard and up to luck because 93 sounds really high

[physics]

Is it achieveable you reckon or is it pretty darn hard and up to luck because 93 sounds really high

thats really hard O_O

[slothpomba]

thats what she said.. kidding lol

yeah i knew it was high... but 93... i dont know anymore

[luken93]

oh crap, better start studying now haha. also, how essential is biol?
i'm not doing it mostly because of the fact that our school doesn't really have much of a good history in doing well in it, but i hope that this won't crush my hopes

[luken93]

so around what UMAT socre is over the borderline...
thanks shinny

My year was 93rd percentile. This dropped last year by a point or two IIRC.

considering that you are only really gonna get the best of the best doing that test, holy crap.
what did you get shinny?

[shinny]

oh crap, better start studying now haha. also, how essential is biol?
i'm not doing it mostly because of the fact that our school doesn't really have much of a good history in doing well in it, but i hope that this won't crush my hopes

It's not even a pre-req. They couldn't really care less what you get in it.

Is it achieveable you reckon or is it pretty darn hard and up to luck because 93 sounds really high

thats really hard O_O

It's all relative really. Some people wing the UMAT and score 100. My friend who wasn't even trying at all to get into Med (was forced by Asian parents however), and wasn't particularly smart either, somehow scored himself 100 on the UMAT and got into Med easily.

so around what UMAT socre is over the borderline...
thanks shinny

My year was 93rd percentile. This dropped last year by a point or two IIRC.

considering that you are only really gonna get the best of the best doing that test, holy crap.
what did you get shinny?

98th percentile.

[slothpomba]

I mean its not really a test of hard fact based knowledge so much... so its not really hard in that respect or in the respect that ive seen most tests so far to be hard.

I guess we (luken, simon and me) have to remind ourselves its not a test like that, its more general aptitude test

[akira88]

Speaking of doctors, was doing a MedEntry Drill today, and this was one of the passages.

The following is an interaction between a junior doctor and his close friend, Potts, in a hospital.

Potts stood before me in the darkness of two A.M. in the intern room, and mirrored in his grey face was, as always, the Yellow Man (one of Potts' patients).

'What are you doing here at this hour?' I asked, but he didn't reply, he just stood there staring. Again I asked what was going on.

'The Yellow Man just died.'

I felt a chill. Potts looked white and chill, and his eyes looked dull and dead, and I said, 'I'm sorry. I mean, I'm really sorry.'

'Yeah,' said Potts, fidgeting as if he wasn't really in the same world with me any longer, 'yeah, well, he was going to die, it was just a matter of time.'

'Yeah, he was,' I said, and I thought about how much torment Potts had gone through every day that the Yellow Man had been alive. 'Are you all right?'

'Who, me? Oh, yeah, I am. It's just a little hard' said Potts, almost pleading with me that it was alright.

'It's OK. I know how you feel. Sit down and talk about it, eh?'

'No, I think I"ll just go upstairs and see him once more and then maybe take a walk.'

'Right, I"ll be down here if you change your mind.'

'Thanks. You know, I should have given him (Yellow Man) steroids.'

'Stop it. Nothing would have helped.'

As I watch him slip away down the corridor and disappear into the up elevator, I though of the fun we'd had. Pott's and I had taken Otis (Potts' dog) out for a run in the March chill, and we'd talk about the South. I'd thought it strange, that day, that Potts hadn't even mentioned his father's recent violent death.

I suddenly realized what was going to happen. Fool! I ran to the elevator and pounded on it, but it wasn"t moving, and I raced up the stairs to floor eight, and I kept cursing myself for not realizing it in time and praying that I had or that I was wrong.

I was not wrong. While I'd been cradled in our reminiscences, Potts had taken the elevator straight to floor eight, had opened a window, and thrown himself out to his death. From the window I saw the splattered mess on the parking lot below, and in between my panting for breath and shivering in the chill draft I heard the first siren squeal, and I leaned my forehead on the still, and I sobbed.

Obviously not real, but makes you realize all of the different situations you may be faced with as a doctor.

I'm interested in what the questions were for this passage, would you be able to name what they were? If it's going too off topic you can message me

[luken93]

I mean its not really a test of hard fact based knowledge so much... so its not really hard in that respect or in the respect that ive seen most tests so far to be hard.

I guess we (luken, simon and me) have to remind ourselves its not a test like that, its more general aptitude test

haha, id be too scared to 'wing' it though