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Re: UniMelb BSc or Monash BSc Scholar Program
« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2011, 08:21:33 pm »
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Doing a third year subject in first year without doing the prereqs...I don't know about Monash, but here prerequisites in science (particularly in 3rd year) generally mean you will literally be unable to attempt the subject without studying them.

Only a crazy person would do that, but I was merely demonstrating how flexible your options are with the Science scholar. They also have many research projects available to do over the 2/3 years
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Re: UniMelb BSc or Monash BSc Scholar Program
« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2011, 08:27:53 pm »
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You can do 3rd year subjects in 1st year at every university, you just have to convince the faculty that you should be allowed to (which is never hard, more students = more money)

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Re: UniMelb BSc or Monash BSc Scholar Program
« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2011, 09:08:10 pm »
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Yeah, I'm enrolling in my 3rd second year subject without meeting prereqs this semester, so it's very doable. I can also do a couple of masters subjects in third year if I want to, so there's just as much flexibility at Melbourne.
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Re: UniMelb BSc or Monash BSc Scholar Program
« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2011, 10:23:24 pm »
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Also, just because it has a 99 clearly-in doesn't mean it's good. It's just a way for the university to make high achievers go "oh look, I should do this because it has a high clearly-in." They make the clearly-in that high by not letting many people in, it just means they give preferential treatment to you over other students, it doesn't mean the course is better.
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Re: UniMelb BSc or Monash BSc Scholar Program
« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2011, 03:57:25 am »
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  • More flexibility in choosing courses, no annoying breadth program
Flexibility is subjective.

At monash you have to take a broad sequence of science subjects (At least in the regular BSc, not sure about scholars program). Which means either choosing from one of these two options:

(1) 3 sets of two science subjects, that they choose. Eg. Set 1:[Chemistry 1 & Chemistry 2] Set 2: [Biology 1 & Enviromental Biology] Set 3:[Something & Something]
Keep in mind *the university* chooses the sets. It might be great for some people but it isn't great for others (me especially)

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(2) One subject from each of the life sciences, physical sciences and earth sciences
So maybe one unit of biology, one of chemistry and one of some kind of geography.

Again im sure plenty of people don't have interest in all 3 areas and will be forced (like me) to pick up a subject they don't want. I really don't want to blow a unit on geography but it was the best i could find out of the earth sciences section.

Also you have to take one approved mathematics unit which i am also not a fan of but you may go for that.

so thats already 2 units i dont want to take. Considering its 4 a semester, half of a semester ill be doing shit i don't want to.

I personally would find the melbourne breadth much much less annoying, i mean as someone said above it doesn't have to be history of english literature or anything like that. I'm sure you must have an interest in *something* outside of science right? even if you don't they have some "sciencey" breadth subjects that anyone can take.

Just my 2 cents.

[Besides that employment prospects would be more or less similar. Also consider if you actually want to do honours, it'd suck doing it if you didn't want to be there and it would just waste a year of your time. Then again, you can leave the science scholar program early without doing honours as far as im aware.]
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Re: UniMelb BSc or Monash BSc Scholar Program
« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2011, 09:32:27 am »
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  • More flexibility in choosing courses, no annoying breadth program
Flexibility is subjective.

At monash you have to take a broad sequence of science subjects (At least in the regular BSc, not sure about scholars program). Which means either choosing from one of these two options:
Flexibility is not subjective at all. In fact, the biggest difference between the scholars program and the regular BSc is the increased flexibility as you have none of those restrictions you listed in your post. The requirements for the scholars program is:
    * at least one major sequence in a science area of study
    * at least one minor sequence in a different science area of study
    * at least 36 points of science units at level two and at least 48 points of science units at level three

That's all! So you can basically choose subjects of your own interest and better prepare yourself for postgraduate studies.

[Besides that employment prospects would be more or less similar. Also consider if you actually want to do honours, it'd suck doing it if you didn't want to be there and it would just waste a year of your time. Then again, you can leave the science scholar program early without doing honours as far as im aware.]

Yes I actually want to do honours. It isn't compulsory in the science scholar program but why wouldn't I do honours anyway?
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Re: UniMelb BSc or Monash BSc Scholar Program
« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2011, 10:21:47 am »
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Is that rhetorical or do you actually want an answer?

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« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2011, 11:00:43 am »
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Is that rhetorical or do you actually want an answer?

An answer please. If I am not considering employment after the undergraduate degree, wouldn't an honours be the best path to head down?
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Re: UniMelb BSc or Monash BSc Scholar Program
« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2011, 01:13:59 pm »
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What sort of employment do you want after doing honours? Honours is a shortcut to a phd, if you wanted to get a specific job then you'd do a masters instead (eg public health, epidemiology etc.)

The advantage of honours is that it's cheaper/shorter and still lets you apply to a phd program

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Re: UniMelb BSc or Monash BSc Scholar Program
« Reply #24 on: February 04, 2011, 03:37:52 pm »
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What sort of employment do you want after doing honours? Honours is a shortcut to a phd, if you wanted to get a specific job then you'd do a masters instead (eg public health, epidemiology etc.)

The advantage of honours is that it's cheaper/shorter and still lets you apply to a phd program

Wouldn't an honours be advisable if you are allowed to do it, even if you are considering a masters after it? It is only one year anyway and will boost your employment prospects, right?
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Re: UniMelb BSc or Monash BSc Scholar Program
« Reply #25 on: February 04, 2011, 06:35:42 pm »
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Generally you either go Bachelor -> Masters or Bachelor -> Honours -> PhD. PhDs require a postgrad degree to get into, so everybody tends to go for the one year honours course instead of the two year masters.

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« Reply #26 on: February 04, 2011, 06:50:19 pm »
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why would you go from bachelor to masters and then to honours?

its usually

Bachelor>Honours>PhD

or

Bachelor>Masters>PhD

or if they just want a masters

its Bachelor>Honours>Masters
or you can go Bachelor>Masters
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« Reply #27 on: February 04, 2011, 06:54:15 pm »
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why would you go from bachelor to masters and then to honours?

its usually

Bachelor>Honours>PhD

or

Bachelor>Masters>PhD

or if they just want a masters

its Bachelor>Honours>Masters
or you can go Bachelor>Masters

Were you responding to me? Because that's what I said...

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Re: UniMelb BSc or Monash BSc Scholar Program
« Reply #28 on: February 04, 2011, 06:56:55 pm »
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yea i was

thats not how it works though Masters is a two year program which you can then go on to do PhD
Honours is a one year program that you can do after your bachelors if you get the marks where if you get a H1 (i believe cause you need the scholarship) you can advance to a PhD
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Re: UniMelb BSc or Monash BSc Scholar Program
« Reply #29 on: February 04, 2011, 07:05:43 pm »
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You need to re-read my post. That's exactly what I said.