>50% of UK women blame rape victims

[herzy]

oh well yes, of course.

to clarify obviously pursuing a potential partner is acceptable, its just when either gender takes it too far...

[redmosez]

But in [rare] cases like "Oh she came and grabbed my crotch and started making out with me and then she grabbed my hands and placed them on her chest"

Then in an ideal world, that is rape. Problem is most people wouldn't view a female acting in that was as raping the male (esp if she is attractive)

The thing I think Mao is trying to argue is, very rarely does someone in the "heat of the moment" stop and ask permission.

Sometimes a guy and girl could be making out etc and one of them believes that this means the other wants to go further, while the other doesn't want to.

All those hormones mixed in with alcohol and perhaps drugs and soon things are going too far. And while it's easy to idealise and say that alcohol is not an excuse, sometimes things aren't so simple.

So is it the responsibility of both people to stop in the "heat of the moment" and ask permission? or is it assumed that unless one person clearly says "No stop" that it's ok?

[Mao]

So is it the responsibility of both people to stop in the "heat of the moment" and ask permission? or is it assumed that unless one person clearly says "No stop" that it's ok?

What about the times when she screams 'no' but really means 'YES'? 

[QuantumJG]

well, yeah... I think I may've missed your point

Basically, guys have the liberty to choose whether or not to have sex as well, not just girls.

Yeah ofcourse we have that liberty and the sad part is that anyone wouldn't believe a guy if they were raped. The other fact is that this only makes 2% of offences (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_by_gender?wasRedirected=true)

[the.watchman]

well, yeah... I think I may've missed your point

Basically, guys have the liberty to choose whether or not to have sex as well, not just girls.

Yeah ofcourse we have that liberty and the sad part is that anyone wouldn't believe a guy if they were raped. The other fact is that this only makes 2% of offences (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_by_gender?wasRedirected=true)

Probs very true, it'd seem pretty hard to believe

[herzy]

So is it the responsibility of both people to stop in the "heat of the moment" and ask permission? or is it assumed that unless one person clearly says "No stop" that it's ok?

What about the times when she screams 'no' but really means 'YES'? 

lol

[Cthulhu]

So is it the responsibility of both people to stop in the "heat of the moment" and ask permission? or is it assumed that unless one person clearly says "No stop" that it's ok?

What about the times when she screams 'no' but really means 'YES'?  

I love opposite day.

[Collin Li]

well, yeah... I think I may've missed your point

Basically, guys have the liberty to choose whether or not to have sex as well, not just girls.

Yeah ofcourse we have that liberty and the sad part is that anyone wouldn't believe a guy if they were raped. The other fact is that this only makes 2% of offences (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_by_gender?wasRedirected=true)

Probs very true, it'd seem pretty hard to believe

Recent studies (no source, CBF, but Google would support me) show that women have as much sexual appetite as men -- and many also face a lack of it, while many middle aged men are not interested.

[Fyrefly]

well, yeah... I think I may've missed your point

Basically, guys have the liberty to choose whether or not to have sex as well, not just girls.

Yeah ofcourse we have that liberty and the sad part is that anyone wouldn't believe a guy if they were raped. The other fact is that this only makes 2% of offences (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_by_gender?wasRedirected=true)

Probs very true, it'd seem pretty hard to believe

Recent studies (no source, CBF, but Google would support me) show that women have as much sexual appetite as men -- and many also face a lack of it, while many middle aged men are not interested.

Generally, a man's sex drive peaks at around 20 years old, while a woman's peaks when she's about 35.

Here's a pretty graph: http://genius-beauty.blogspot.com/2008/09/why-couples-conflict-about-sex.html