Dedicating your life to VCE...a good idea?

[QuantumJG]

great post periwinkle

but those people who want the teachers to push you harder...oh just wait until you are in university
if you need teachers to push you im afraid you will not succeed if u go on to uni or anywhere else for that matter

Yeah, that's what my methods teacher said... he refused to give us an outline for the semester of what chapters we will be doing because in Uni, that shit don't happen?
According to him: public school successes do really well in Uni since they had to push hard to get there in the first place, whereas some private school students that have been fed the whole way drop out.

In uni you will get an outline of the syllabus.

But the professor wont be telling you to do say "these questions from this textbook" or making sure you are up to date with work. The professor will basically be there to teach you what is mean't to be covered in that lecture. Basically everything you need is all there, its you who has to decide what to do with it.

You can always ask your lecturers questions, but it wont be like school where the teacher knows all 25 of you, it will be more like a lecturer who will see all 300 of you and know maybe a couple students. Now not all lecturers are like this, our ESD lecturers were really cool and my calculus 2 lecturer was a great lecturer who asked me how I am finding uni when I started semester 1.

[xXNovaxX]

Great post periwinkle.

But I want to stress, about tecahers pushing kids.

Let me tell you a short story

I see myself as a good student, completes all homework, get the marks I want, and have won several subject awards *end cockiness *

However, when I say teachers should push, you REALLY just have to see how some teachers do not push because they really dont give a dam! Not because "its up to the student", there is a fine line! I have been fortunate to not come across many such teachers, I am just saying I feel sorry for the kids who DO need a light push to get going but DON'T GET IT, and once they recieve it THEY KEEP GOING automatically (which is good).

Yes I know at Uni teachers don't push you, and thats OKAY, I am just saying teachers could at least tell you off for not doing homework, threaten to contact your parents, etc. Otherwise, they are just FEEDING the cycle of laziness amongst students.

At Uni, I understand tutors are advised to help those who are putting in the effort, and I support this.

One of my teachers in class;

*did not give us ANY homework in the whole year
*Not ONCE gave a "lesson" i.e. TALKED/EXPLAINED on the board
*Never wrote board notes
*Never conducted activites

They only gave us the option of buying a textbook, or photocopying for us.

I struggled big time in that class, the teacher did not give a dam how we went, and not being provided a head start/homework was ridicilous. Now I can already se people saying "oh if you were truly deidcated u woudl ASK for homwork"

But can you guys see what you are saying! IT IS THE TEACHERS JOB, not MINE to chase after them/obtain homework. Pretend I agree with you on this stance, well what expalins them NOT GIVING A LESSON/ TEACHING. They just sat at their desk for the whole YEAR, never walked around seeing if we need help.

I know my previous posts may have seemed vague, but it was because I had experineced it.

To conclude, I ended up being lazy for that subject, on class. And at home I merely summarised the entire "textbook". I handed in a few essays, some which were never given back =.=*.

I, did at leats put some effort in, because I enjoyed the subject, but not the class. WHta my point is, we had a really small class of people who ENJOYED learning, isn't it bad that because of the situation, they didn't really try to excel/succeed/ work/learn because of the predicament? Yes, they could have self taught themselves, but why? I will never agree with anyone who says we should be required to do this.  Like try and out urself outside of the contetx of the vcenotes.com community, tehre are thousands of students who do not use this site, and are really bright, but they need a PUSH. Let me make clear, I am talking about the smart people who need a push, not the lazy people, who have no interest in education.  We, in this communtiy I think fall under those who are bright, and excel themselves by utilizing this wonderful resource!

I think this anecdote highlights what I am trying to say about teachers pushing you. This situation IMO is RARE in the midst of things, but yeah.

[QuantumJG]

Great post periwinkle.

But I want to stress, about tecahers pushing kids.

Let me tell you a short story

I see myself as a good student, completes all homework, get the marks I want, and have won several subject awards *end cockiness *

However, when I say teachers should push, you REALLY just have to see how some teachers do not push because they really dont give a dam! Not because "its up to the student", there is a fine line! I have been fortunate to not come across many such teachers, I am just saying I feel sorry for the kids who DO need a light push to get going but DON'T GET IT, and once they recieve it THEY KEEP GOING automatically (which is good).

Yes I know at Uni teachers don't push you, and thats OKAY, I am just saying teachers could at least tell you off for not doing homework, threaten to contact your parents, etc. Otherwise, they are just FEEDING the cycle of laziness amongst students.

At Uni, I understand tutors are advised to help those who are putting in the effort, and I support this.

One of my teachers in class;

*did not give us ANY homework in the whole year
*Not ONCE gave a "lesson" i.e. TALKED/EXPLAINED on the board
*Never wrote board notes
*Never conducted activites

They only gave us the option of buying a textbook, or photocopying for us.

I struggled big time in that class, the teacher did not give a dam how we went, and not being provided a head start/homework was ridicilous. Now I can already se people saying "oh if you were truly deidcated u woudl ASK for homwork"

But can you guys see what you are saying! IT IS THE TEACHERS JOB, not MINE to chase after them/obtain homework. Pretend I agree with you on this stance, well what expalins them NOT GIVING A LESSON/ TEACHING. They just sat at their desk for the whole YEAR, never walked around seeing if we need help.

I know my previous posts may have seemed vague, but it was because I had experineced it.

To conclude, I ended up being lazy for that subject, on class. And at home I merely summarised the entire "textbook". I handed in a few essays, some which were never given back =.=*.

I, did at leats put some effort in, because I enjoyed the subject, but not the class. WHta my point is, we had a really small class of people who ENJOYED learning, isn't it bad that because of the situation, they didn't really try to excel/succeed/ work/learn because of the predicament? Yes, they could have self taught themselves, but why? I will never agree with anyone who says we should be required to do this.  Like try and out urself outside of the contetx of the vcenotes.com community, tehre are thousands of students who do not use this site, and are really bright, but they need a PUSH. Let me make clear, I am talking about the smart people who need a push, not the lazy people, who have no interest in education.  We, in this communtiy I think fall under those who are bright, and excel themselves by utilizing this wonderful resource!

I think this anecdote highlights what I am trying to say about teachers pushing you. This situation IMO is RARE in the midst of things, but yeah.

Firstly love the display picture "stole it".

I understand what you mean about some teachers who are just lazy.

At school I was lucky to have great teachers the majority of the time. But:

- Year 8 I had a teacher who took us for SOSE and English, this guy would read us newspaper articles and would mark my essays as B+ (even though it took me to year 11 to work out my skills at english were crap), etc. He got fired later on for not doing his job.
- My year 10 genetics teacher would usually just read the newspaper and make us do work out of the text books.
- My year 11 chemistry teacher was that bad the highest exam mark for year 11 chemistry was 80%. Instead of just sending the students out of the class who were disruptive, he would just have arguments for 10 minutes with them (wasting our time). If it wasn't for the teacher who took year 12 chemistry that I knew really well, I would have stopped doing chemistry.

At my school in years 7 and 8 you could have the literacy of a monkey and still get good marks for english, in year 9 I had the best english teacher and was starting to really improve and I once said that I love english, year 10 we had another bad teacher who would spend more time arguing with the students, my year 11 english teacher was an egotistic b*%*h who only gave attention to students who got > A's in SAC's and then when someone said I did specialist maths in the class (Probably to show her I was smarter than she thought), she said "really, you do specialist maths?" and by year 12 our teacher wasn't a bad teacher but couldn't motivate you to do well so I just gave up with english.

That is my life story of english at high school.

At school you need some form of a push. During uni you evolve into an independent learner (it doesn't happen over night), so basically even during year 12 I wouldn't recommend being spoon fed the content, but, I wouldn't recommend giving the students absolutely no direction.

Another thing with the term 'independent learner' that I think a lot of people get confused with. At uni to really understand the content you should collaborate with friends of yours and discuss what you are learning, its great if you can go home read the chapters on what you are doing in lectures and answer the questions, but, collaborating with other students allows you to view what you are studying from different view points, you will find that a friend of yours may have picked up something you didn't notice.

[minilunchbox]

- Year 8 I had a teacher who took us for SOSE and English, this guy would read us newspaper articles and would mark my essays as B+ (even though it took me to year 11 to work out my skills at english were crap), etc. He got fired later on for not doing his job.

I get so paranoid that my english teachers are dodgy and my english skills are actually crap especially since my marks fluctuate hardcore depending on the teacher I get. 

[vexx]

- My year 11 chemistry teacher was that bad the highest exam mark for year 11 chemistry was 80%. Instead of just sending the students out of the class who were disruptive, he would just have arguments for 10 minutes with them (wasting our time).

that sounds exactly like my chem teacher, i'm the only one in the class who gets above 80%, the last few tests the class averaged 50%'s. she doesn't know how to teach and tells us she doesnt want to help us .___. this sucks for everyone else in the class

[xXNovaxX]

For our Further Maths SAC, 2/3 of THREE CLASSES failed, highest in my class= 60%

[d0minicz]

- My year 11 chemistry teacher was that bad the highest exam mark for year 11 chemistry was 80%.

highest in my class was 70%

[vexx]

^ i guess it's not unusual for a class to do poorly then haha.

[wombifat]

This is getting really off-topic but i am the opposite of most people by the sounds of it. I actually do BETTER when my teachers aren't pushing me, giving me homework and threatening to call my parents. I didn't do that well in my first two years of high school and my teachers all told me I'd do terribly in VCE, but the freedom I've gotten in VCE has made it easier for me to get good marks and I'm actually doing better than I've ever done before, so being spoon fed isn't for everybody.

[xXNovaxX]

^
Yeah, you're right

I didn't mean to sound as though it's the BEST way, or it's for everybody.

Just that teachers need to ADJUST their teaching practises to suit each individual student, which 99.95% (no evidence ) DO!

I also know some people who prefer to stay home then come to school, because they learn more, or it suits them better, HENCE, the government approves home-schooling.

And I wasn't suggesting we be spoon fed  , being pushed, having teachers actually teach and not sit around, and give homework doesn't mean spoon fed.

EDIT: Unless you mean it in a GENERAL SENSE, which in itself is correct

[physics]

ewwwww lost of life from the first day of high school to prepare for VCE
simple coversation:
little carefree year 7 to nerd: why r u studying when its the frist day of school (for year 7)
nerd year 7: i'm preparing for VCE :3
carefree kid: ooooo...right

[vexx]

^ haha.

i didn't even know what VCE was until end of grade 9...

[samuch]

^ me too haha

[xXNovaxX]

^LMAO! Come to think of it same here == HAHA

btw its like a chain reaction with three "^"

[vexx]

^ hahahaha bang, reaction of 4.