What the hell is VCAL?

[MBBS]

Who the hell said 300k? 300k for a professional is a big ask!
120k+ for business owners (generally).

I think that the investment in a private education for students studying VCAL is sometimes good. As stipulated in the other threads, private schools often have more personal support for students. If a student, irrespective of intelligence, can benefit from these extra curriculars, and the family can afford it, why not? Some of the students who take VCAL struggle academically and private schools might have the resources to give them the assistance they need to obtain basic literacy and numeracy. In my opinion, that's money better spent than 18k on someone who is able to get into biomedicine instead of commerce due to an increased ATAR. 

I think the point your trying to make here is that the fundamentals of education are the most important component. That someone who is struggling and would otherwise be a total ignoramus will now understand the basics of Mathematics and English etc. Your point is that these fundamentals are far more important then the absolute elite getting into their desired course. I have to agree with you there.

Also, none of us should be kidding ourselves. If you want to make money, you become a trade person in this country. We are one of the only countries in the world where trade people make more than professionals and be under no allusion, you will not make more than your local electrician. You will be doing something that is far more fulfilling for the rest of your life as it stimulates you intellectually, but electricians in this country can very easily make $300k+ a year.

MBBS you needa get your facts right before you start saying bullshit elaborate more on "electricians" before stating they can easily make 300K

He owns a business and has several other electricians working for him. He is just a smart guy who is an electrician and has got him self in a nice set-up. Anyone can do it.

[Gloamglozer]

Who the hell said 300k? 300k for a professional is a big ask!
120k+ for business owners (generally).

I think that the investment in a private education for students studying VCAL is sometimes good. As stipulated in the other threads, private schools often have more personal support for students. If a student, irrespective of intelligence, can benefit from these extra curriculars, and the family can afford it, why not? Some of the students who take VCAL struggle academically and private schools might have the resources to give them the assistance they need to obtain basic literacy and numeracy. In my opinion, that's money better spent than 18k on someone who is able to get into biomedicine instead of commerce due to an increased ATAR. 

I think the point your trying to make here is that the fundamentals of education are the most important component. That someone who is struggling and would otherwise be a total ignoramus will now understand the basics of Mathematics and English etc. Your point is that these fundamentals are far more important then the absolute elite getting into their desired course. I have to agree with you there.

Also, none of us should be kidding ourselves. If you want to make money, you become a trade person in this country. We are one of the only countries in the world where trade people make more than professionals and be under no allusion, you will not make more than your local electrician. You will be doing something that is far more fulfilling for the rest of your life as it stimulates you intellectually, but electricians in this country can very easily make $300k+ a year.

MBBS you needa get your facts right before you start saying bullshit elaborate more on "electricians" before stating they can easily make 300K

He owns a business and has several other electricians working for him. He is just a smart guy who is an electrician and has got him self in a nice set-up. Anyone can do it.

A lot of tradespeople who own a business and thrive with them are usually quite well off.  I cannot confirm exactly how much that they earn but I know a plumber who is in the same situation as your electrician.

[Hutchoo]

I know first hand If they own a successful business.. GG, they earn a LOT.

[letsride]

Who the hell said 300k? 300k for a professional is a big ask!
120k+ for business owners (generally).

I think that the investment in a private education for students studying VCAL is sometimes good. As stipulated in the other threads, private schools often have more personal support for students. If a student, irrespective of intelligence, can benefit from these extra curriculars, and the family can afford it, why not? Some of the students who take VCAL struggle academically and private schools might have the resources to give them the assistance they need to obtain basic literacy and numeracy. In my opinion, that's money better spent than 18k on someone who is able to get into biomedicine instead of commerce due to an increased ATAR. 

I think the point your trying to make here is that the fundamentals of education are the most important component. That someone who is struggling and would otherwise be a total ignoramus will now understand the basics of Mathematics and English etc. Your point is that these fundamentals are far more important then the absolute elite getting into their desired course. I have to agree with you there.

Also, none of us should be kidding ourselves. If you want to make money, you become a trade person in this country. We are one of the only countries in the world where trade people make more than professionals and be under no allusion, you will not make more than your local electrician. You will be doing something that is far more fulfilling for the rest of your life as it stimulates you intellectually, but electricians in this country can very easily make $300k+ a year.

MBBS you needa get your facts right before you start saying bullshit elaborate more on "electricians" before stating they can easily make 300K

He owns a business and has several other electricians working for him. He is just a smart guy who is an electrician and has got him self in a nice set-up. Anyone can do it.

right, so he owns a business. your statement was pretty much "any electrician in aus can make 300k+" which is false. for every 1 tradesman who ownsa a business, there's at least 10+ who don't

[akira88]

I know first hand If they own a successful business.. GG, they earn a LOT.

Well if anyone owns a successful business, they will earn a lot.

[IntoTheNewWorld]

He owns a business and has several other electricians working for him. He is just a smart guy who is an electrician and has got him self in a nice set-up. Anyone can do it.

Well he hardly counts as an Electrician anymore...He's a successful business owner.

Anyone can do it.

ok then.

[Hutchoo]

He owns a business and has several other electricians working for him. He is just a smart guy who is an electrician and has got him self in a nice set-up. Anyone can do it.

Well he hardly counts as an Electrician anymore...He's a successful business owner.

Anyone can do it.

ok then.

MBBS, stick to stuff you know.

[MBBS]

Who the hell said 300k? 300k for a professional is a big ask!
120k+ for business owners (generally).

I think that the investment in a private education for students studying VCAL is sometimes good. As stipulated in the other threads, private schools often have more personal support for students. If a student, irrespective of intelligence, can benefit from these extra curriculars, and the family can afford it, why not? Some of the students who take VCAL struggle academically and private schools might have the resources to give them the assistance they need to obtain basic literacy and numeracy. In my opinion, that's money better spent than 18k on someone who is able to get into biomedicine instead of commerce due to an increased ATAR.  

I think the point your trying to make here is that the fundamentals of education are the most important component. That someone who is struggling and would otherwise be a total ignoramus will now understand the basics of Mathematics and English etc. Your point is that these fundamentals are far more important then the absolute elite getting into their desired course. I have to agree with you there.

Also, none of us should be kidding ourselves. If you want to make money, you become a trade person in this country. We are one of the only countries in the world where trade people make more than professionals and be under no allusion, you will not make more than your local electrician. You will be doing something that is far more fulfilling for the rest of your life as it stimulates you intellectually, but electricians in this country can very easily make $300k+ a year.

MBBS you needa get your facts right before you start saying bullshit elaborate more on "electricians" before stating they can easily make 300K

He owns a business and has several other electricians working for him. He is just a smart guy who is an electrician and has got him self in a nice set-up. Anyone can do it.

right, so he owns a business. your statement was pretty much "any electrician in aus can make 300k+" which is false. for every 1 tradesman who ownsa a business, there's at least 10+ who don't

That's not true at all. I don't think you know much at all about tradesmen. More often then not, they work for themselves. All the money they make is effectively tax-free as it's cash in hand. I go to a school with over 30% VCAL, this accurately reflects the demographics of their parents. I've met a lot of tradies, they're all rich.

[Hutchoo]

That's not true at all. I don't think you know much at all about tradesmen. More often then not, they work for themselves. All the money they make is effectively tax-free as it's cash in hand. I go to a school with over 30% VCAL, this accurately reflects the demographics of their parents. I've met a lot of tradies, they're all rich.

@ They work for themselves.
Umm.. Don't think so..
@ They're all rich
No? Normal tradesmen are middle-classed, but they have the potential to become upper-class. People that own businesses or are partners of a trades business aren't technically tradesmen (from my perspective), they're business owners that visit on site etc. Most bosses don't do
Whats your definition of rich?

[MBBS]

Rich=180k+ a year imo.

@ They work for themselves.
Umm.. Don't think so, pal.

Depends where they do their apprenticeship, if they do it with a person who works for themselves it's very very different to doing it with a union etc. 

[Hutchoo]

Rich=180k+ a year imo.

@ They work for themselves.
Umm.. Don't think so, pal.

Depends where they do their apprenticeship, if they do it with a person who works for themselves it's very very different to doing it with a union etc. 

I edited what I said earlier*
Most apprenticeship takers want to be with a union, the union are great.

[MBBS]

Personally, I know most of my mates who want to go into trades are trying to secure private apprenticeship, the union isn't that great. TBPH I don't really care about the matter, it's my view that if you're an electrician with a bit of intelligence, you can set up a business and rake in money. Otherwise yes being an electrician can be an extremely shit job.

[Hutchoo]

Desk jobs can be shit too.. The union is great because of how secure it is imo.
I don't really care about the matter that much either There is no chance that I could do back breaking work like they do, i'm a girl.

[MBBS]

^^
I don't know too much about the Union, hence will not go further into it. My uncle is part of the union and I know he makes 110k a year exactly. The hours are shit, it's back breaking (in this case literally) and overall shit work.

[Gloamglozer]

MBBS, stick to stuff you know.

Hutchoo, careful there.  MBBS has the right to express their opinion.

^^
I don't know too much about the Union, hence will not go further into it. My uncle is part of the union and I know he makes 110k a year exactly. The hours are shit, it's back breaking (in this case literally) and overall shit work.

Much like a concreter.  Good money but extremely arduous.

In conclusion, it's like with a university degree.  It's not what sort of qualification you have, but what you decide to do with it that ultimately counts.