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Re: VCE English Question Thread
« Reply #1245 on: June 20, 2016, 08:57:27 pm »
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Yup, it's an actual thing.   :)

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Re: VCE English Question Thread
« Reply #1246 on: June 20, 2016, 09:04:58 pm »
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Yo, when writing a context piece, are we expected to have quotes from our wider reading? Or can we just use them as real world examples which get our ideas across (i.e. elaboration more than quoting Mr X)? I believe that since our text is a set text we will be expected to have quotes for it though. Am I correct?

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Re: VCE English Question Thread
« Reply #1247 on: June 20, 2016, 09:18:08 pm »
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Yo, when writing a context piece, are we expected to have quotes from our wider reading? Or can we just use them as real world examples which get our ideas across (i.e. elaboration more than quoting Mr X)? I believe that since our text is a set text we will be expected to have quotes for it though. Am I correct?

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You technically don't need any quotes for Section B. I didn't use quotes at all and it was of no detriment to my expository pieces. Obviously it'd be even harder to use them effectively in a hybrid or purely creative piece. I generally used my set text (Every Man) in the first body paragraph, and then filled in the gaps of the prompt/used countering ideas for my other body paragraphs without ever giving direct analysis of the book itself.

That being said, general knowledge of world history and current issues may help strengthen your ideas, and you should ask your teacher what they prefer, because they will be marking your SACs, not us. Moreover, I'm not saying you can't use quotes at all. If used correctly, they are amazing. However, you must be careful in making sure it doesn't look like you're writing a text response, which is a common pitfall for people in section B.

tl;dr: Quotes aren't mandatory for any section B piece, but ask your teacher what they want to see for your SACs.

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Re: VCE English Question Thread
« Reply #1248 on: June 20, 2016, 09:27:58 pm »
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You technically don't need any quotes for Section B. I didn't use quotes at all and it was of no detriment to my expository pieces. Obviously it'd be even harder to use them effectively in a hybrid or purely creative piece. I generally used my set text (Every Man) in the first body paragraph, and then filled in the gaps of the prompt/used countering ideas for my other body paragraphs without ever giving direct analysis of the book itself.

That being said, general knowledge of world history and current issues may help strengthen your ideas, and you should ask your teacher what they prefer, because they will be marking your SACs, not us. Moreover, I'm not saying you can't use quotes at all. If used correctly, they are amazing. However, you must be careful in making sure it doesn't look like you're writing a text response, which is a common pitfall for people in section B.

tl;dr: Quotes aren't mandatory for any section B piece, but ask your teacher what they want to see for your SACs.

Hope this clarifies. Have a nice day.

Thanks Alter! Clarified things really well. I'll ask my teacher so that my SAC response is tailored to her liking.
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Re: VCE English Question Thread
« Reply #1249 on: June 20, 2016, 09:31:18 pm »
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Yo, when writing a context piece, are we expected to have quotes from our wider reading? Or can we just use them as real world examples which get our ideas across (i.e. elaboration more than quoting Mr X)? I believe that since our text is a set text we will be expected to have quotes for it though. Am I correct?

Thank you  :)
I love using one liners from the text which encapsulate main ideas of the text in my pieces. The marker will be familiar to them so there's an explicit reference and it's not text responsey if you execute it correctly.
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Re: VCE English Question Thread
« Reply #1250 on: June 21, 2016, 01:08:15 am »
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hi guys  :) i'm studying a play for section B (life of galileo). in my context response, would it be necessary to briefly mention/refer to play techniques, ie. stage directions? or just focus on the ideas emanating from galileo?

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« Reply #1251 on: June 21, 2016, 09:17:45 am »
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does anyone have any useful/handy resources on Every man in this village is a liar?
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Re: VCE English Question Thread
« Reply #1252 on: June 21, 2016, 01:23:38 pm »
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hi guys  :) i'm studying a play for section B (life of galileo). in my context response, would it be necessary to briefly mention/refer to play techniques, ie. stage directions? or just focus on the ideas emanating from galileo?

thanks in advance!

As in analyse the stage directions to further your discussion? No. If you mean like quoting the stage directions, maybe, but preferably not. Remember, this isn't a text response so be v. careful it doesn't become one.

does anyone have any useful/handy resources on Every man in this village is a liar?
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Have you tried here (Text Response Resources

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Re: VCE English Question Thread
« Reply #1253 on: June 21, 2016, 01:32:31 pm »
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Have you tried here (Text Response Resources
Every Man is a section B text, actually :P

@kimmytaaa: This might provide some extra insights.
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Re: VCE English Question Thread
« Reply #1254 on: June 21, 2016, 03:46:28 pm »
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Re: VCE English Question Thread
« Reply #1255 on: June 21, 2016, 05:11:55 pm »
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In a context response (expository) would I be allowed to use inclusive language such as we and our when referring to a sense of identity and belonging. E.g. at times who we believe we are, our sense of self, may be challenged etc, or would that not be acceptable for expository?

Another question: Will prompts given by VCAA for section B give us the ability to challenge them? The prompts I've be practicing with (only 2 so far :P) are so hard to disagree with because there just so true!

And finally, what does the ability to: "Skillfully shape ideas and arguments..." and a "sophisticated understanding of complex ideas/arguments relevant to chosen context" mean in plain English??

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Re: VCE English Question Thread
« Reply #1256 on: June 21, 2016, 05:52:28 pm »
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Another question: Will prompts given by VCAA for section B give us the ability to challenge them? The prompts I've be practicing with (only 2 so far :P) are so hard to disagree with because there just so true!

I feel like you can explore the prompts VCAA gives but it's a bit hard to disagree with them.

For example from VCAA 2015:

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‘An individual’s sense of identity and belonging changes throughout life.’

It's a bit hard to be like "nah, bruv. your identity and belonging never ever changes."

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Re: VCE English Question Thread
« Reply #1257 on: June 21, 2016, 06:08:09 pm »
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In a context response (expository) would I be allowed to use inclusive language such as we and our when referring to a sense of identity and belonging. E.g. at times who we believe we are, our sense of self, may be challenged etc, or would that not be acceptable for expository?

ive read through some context responses in the assessment reports and they use inclusive language, so i think you'd be able to  :)

Another question: Will prompts given by VCAA for section B give us the ability to challenge them? The prompts I've be practicing with (only 2 so far :P) are so hard to disagree with because there just so true!
Thank you

of course! i agree, some prompts are easier to simply agree/disagree with, but there's definitely prompts out there that can be challenged  :P for example, the conflict prompt  'when conflict arises, everyone has a role', you can contend that each individual does play a role, however the actions taken by these individuals in enacting their role results in consequences that ultimately exacerbates the conflict.

And finally, what does the ability to: "Skillfully shape ideas and arguments..." and a "sophisticated understanding of complex ideas/arguments relevant to chosen context" mean in plain English??

Thank you

'skilfully shape ideas and arguments'- formulating unique and fresh ideas/arguments. so thats basically discerning themes and values in the text/film that are less obvious and linking them to the prompt you're responding to  :) for example, in the novel stasiland, stasi victim frau paul is portrayed as 'spic and span' -> perhaps one may argue that her nature to be neat and tidy may have arisen from a compulsive disorder educed by the stasi's brutality on her mindset

"sophisticated understanding of complex ideas/arguments relevant to chosen context" - linking the type of ideas mentioned above back to the prompt you're responding to

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Re: VCE English Question Thread
« Reply #1258 on: June 21, 2016, 06:39:04 pm »
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I feel like you can explore the prompts VCAA gives but it's a bit hard to disagree with them.

For example from VCAA 2015:

It's a bit hard to be like "nah, bruv. your identity and belonging never ever changes."

I was just looking at that prompt on the VCAA website and I was like "Bruh" *facepalm* hahaha
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ive read through some context responses in the assessment reports and they use inclusive language, so i think you'd be able to  :)

of course! i agree, some prompts are easier to simply agree/disagree with, but there's definitely prompts out there that can be challenged  :P for example, the conflict prompt  'when conflict arises, everyone has a role', you can contend that each individual does play a role, however the actions taken by these individuals in enacting their role results in consequences that ultimately exacerbates the conflict.

'skilfully shape ideas and arguments'- formulating unique and fresh ideas/arguments. so thats basically discerning themes and values in the text/film that are less obvious and linking them to the prompt you're responding to  :) for example, in the novel stasiland, stasi victim frau paul is portrayed as 'spic and span' -> perhaps one may argue that her nature to be neat and tidy may have arisen from a compulsive disorder educed by the stasi's brutality on her mindset

"sophisticated understanding of complex ideas/arguments relevant to chosen context" - linking the type of ideas mentioned above back to the prompt you're responding to

if im wrong someone please correct me!

Thanks UpandGo. Cleared things up :D
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Re: VCE English Question Thread
« Reply #1259 on: June 21, 2016, 07:15:11 pm »
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3 posts in one day :O
Anyway, I just wanted input from someone other than myself. When writing an expository essay (yep, it's context again :P) someone suggested making a link to my text and making a link to a world example for every body paragraph. In a SAC, would that be expected? I'll ask my teacher after finishing my 2nd practice essay (2nd time I've done this) for her opinion but I'm still not finished so AN was the next best thing.

What I've been doing is having one solid example a paragraph and elaborating on that. And so far, it's been easier to refer to world examples than text examples. If that is better, in terms f length of paras, increased complexity I'm willing and will probs rewatch the film just to have it fresh in my mind.

recommendations??

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