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Help with 2015 Independent Math Trial Paper (again)
« on: July 23, 2016, 04:13:15 pm »
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I need help with part ii. I've already done part i. Been stuck on this one for a while now :'(

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Re: Help with 2015 Independent Math Trial Paper (again)
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2016, 04:46:27 pm »
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I need help with part ii. I've already done part i. Been stuck on this one for a while now :'(
Hahaha I remember this question. All I'm worried about is the final answer being wrong because I hiccuped.





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Re: Help with 2015 Independent Math Trial Paper (again)
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2016, 08:36:23 pm »
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I really need help with ancient history

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Re: Help with 2015 Independent Math Trial Paper (again)
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2016, 10:43:36 pm »
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Thank you so much again RuiAce!

One last question!! (This is the last question in the paper!)

I need help with the whole thing :P

Refer to attachment.

Thanks again!!!

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Re: Help with 2015 Independent Math Trial Paper (again)
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2016, 12:26:27 am »
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I really need help with ancient history

Hey there, welcome to the forums!! You can go get some help in our Ancient History Threads ;D or check out some free downloadable notes!!

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Re: Help with 2015 Independent Math Trial Paper (again)
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2016, 01:49:08 am »
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This one was really really dodgy. I promise if nobody gets an answer in then I will delete this post and replace it with an answer tomorrow.

In the interests of honesty I won't have time to sit down and tackle this properly until Sunday evening  ;D

As some guidance (not a proper written solution) for the poster, the first question is using the area of a triangle formula:



Both a and b are your radii, and notice this as well (by double angle formula for sine, this is an extension paper right?):



So, to match the result in the question, you just need to prove that the angle in the middle is:



This comes directly from the properties of a regular polygon. Think about the triangular slices of a hexagon, for example. There are six of them, so each angle at the centre is 360/6=60 degrees. For n sides, it is 360/n degrees at the centre. Apply this principle to radians and your answer comes out!

To find the similar expression, you'll use a similar idea, but there will be an extra trick to it. Can't spot it right this second (2am might be a bit late to be doing Math  ;)) but Rui may be able to enlighten. The last part will simply be dividing the two answers and maybe (probably) using a Pythagorean identity or something similar (must be something to it for 2 marks)  ;D This might get you started!!  ;D

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Re: Help with 2015 Independent Math Trial Paper (again)
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2016, 09:23:21 am »
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Thanks Jamon for the help! I still don't know how to do it, so I might wait till RuiAce comes up with an answer (If he is willing to!) :D

And this was the last question in the 2unit 2015 Mathematics Independent Trial Paper, not Extension 1. All of my friends said this last question was fit for Extension 1 students only, (they need help with it too), so I don't know why a question this hard is in a 2u paper :\

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Re: Help with 2015 Independent Math Trial Paper (again)
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2016, 09:52:41 am »
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No no no this can definitely be done by 2U methods only.









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Re: Help with 2015 Independent Math Trial Paper (again)
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2016, 11:06:36 am »
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Wow! Thank you so much!

I just have a one question from your amazing solution.

For the area of the second triangle, A2-O-N, why are the angles 2pi/n? If it's the same area, same angle, shouldn't it be pi/n?

Thanks again!

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Re: Help with 2015 Independent Math Trial Paper (again)
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2016, 11:13:56 am »
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Wow! Thank you so much!

I just have a one question from your amazing solution.

For the area of the second triangle, A2-O-N, why are the angles 2pi/n? If it's the same area, same angle, shouldn't it be pi/n?

Thanks again!
After I finished my solution, I realised that I made heaps of typos. Tried getting rid of all of them but it seems I missed that one! I'll edit it now

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Re: Help with 2015 Independent Math Trial Paper (again)
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2016, 11:17:08 am »
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All good! Thank you so much RuiAce & Jamon! Going to recommend ATARNotes and its forums to all my friends! You guys have helped me out heaps!

Thanks again!!!  :) :) :)

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Re: Help with 2015 Independent Math Trial Paper (again)
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2016, 11:45:48 am »
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All good! Thank you so much RuiAce & Jamon! Going to recommend ATARNotes and its forums to all my friends! You guys have helped me out heaps!

Thanks again!!!  :) :) :)

Thanks Joey, you are awesome!! Haha sorry I jumped to conclusions, this would definitely be pushing the 2U students, very tough without Extension methods!  ;D Rui as usual smashes out the solution anyway, but yep, a very challenging question  8)

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Re: Help with 2015 Independent Math Trial Paper (again)
« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2016, 09:51:33 pm »
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I need help with part ii. I've already done part i. Been stuck on this one for a while now :'(

How was part i done here?
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Re: Help with 2015 Independent Math Trial Paper (again)
« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2016, 10:09:19 pm »
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Re: Help with 2015 Independent Math Trial Paper (again)
« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2016, 10:11:34 pm »
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Ahhhh I had thought this was probably the case.

Your a legend Rui!
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