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Re: VCE Physics Question Thread!
« Reply #1995 on: March 18, 2018, 02:33:04 pm »
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Hahaha I know the feeling :P
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Re: VCE Physics Question Thread!
« Reply #1996 on: March 18, 2018, 11:04:28 pm »
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Hey guys, I seem to be struggling be with conical pendulum question.
A ball of mass of 2.9kg swings on a string length of 2.2m and moves at a speed of 4.4m/s in a horizontal circular path.
Find the angle.

Thanks for the help.
(Btw you can find this question on http://www.physicseducation.com.au, really good website)
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All you have to do is substitute the values into this equation and rearrange for theta:

tan(theta)= v^2 / rg . In this question the mass is irrelevant  ;D

You get an answer of 41.92 degrees! (please correct me if the answer is wrong because I couldn't find the solution in the website)
I actually think the problem is significantly more complicated than that, as we don't know the radius (the length of the pendulum is given).
There are two forces acting on the ball: its weight and the tension up the string. Given that the path of the ball is horizontal circular motion, the ball is in equilibrium vertically. That is, the vertical component of the tension must be equal in magnitude to the weight force. In addition, the centripetal force is a result of the horizontal component of the tension force (see diagram below).

My solution contains some Specialist Maths ideas:

Because \(4g^2l^2>0\), we know that \(v^4+4g^2l^2>v^4\), which means that \(\sqrt{v^4}=v^2<\sqrt{v^4+4g^2l^2}\).
Additionally, because \(\theta\in\left[0,\frac{\pi}{2}\right]\), we also know that \(\cos{\left(\theta\right)}\in\left[0,1\right]\). That is, \(\cos{\left(\theta\right)}\) is positive.
This means that:

Finally, substituting in \(m=2.9, l=2.2, v=4.4\) and \(g=9.8\) gives \(\theta\approx 49.67^\circ\).
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Re: VCE Physics Question Thread!
« Reply #1997 on: March 19, 2018, 07:57:53 am »
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umm, thanks for the response but how are we meant to do all that in exam conditions haha?

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Re: VCE Physics Question Thread!
« Reply #1998 on: March 19, 2018, 09:06:42 am »
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umm, thanks for the response but how are we meant to do all that in exam conditions haha?



Given the level of maths required for it, I would suggest it wouldn't be assessable, especially given that there is no requirement that you complete any maths in VCE in order to do Physics (although I would personally recommend that you do Methods at least). You might get a similar, but simpler problem, where the radius is known instead, however (which you would solve by substituting straight into \(\tan{\left(\theta\right)}=\frac{v^2}{gr}\)).

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Re: VCE Physics Question Thread!
« Reply #1999 on: March 19, 2018, 05:26:27 pm »
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It's been a while since I've done physics and am very rusty with these formulas in particular, but wouldn't it be possible to do KiNSKi's way but substitute r=2.2sin(theta)?
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Re: VCE Physics Question Thread!
« Reply #2000 on: March 19, 2018, 08:05:01 pm »
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It's been a while since I've done physics and am very rusty with these formulas in particular, but wouldn't it be possible to do KiNSKi's way but substitute r=2.2sin(theta)?

Yes, that's effectively what I did. The problem you run into though, is having sin and tan in the same equation. To solve that (without CAS) you need to use trig identities (which are certainly not in the Physics course)

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« Reply #2001 on: March 19, 2018, 09:07:20 pm »
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Yes, that's effectively what I did. The problem you run into though, is having sin and tan in the same equation. To solve that (without CAS) you need to use trig identities (which are certainly not in the Physics course)
Ah, I see. I missed it when I was reading through.
skrt, what I would do to make it a bit easier is substitute in the values earlier as it makes it a bit easier. I'd substitute in around

Then you can continue by completing the square (as jazzycab has done) or by using the quadratic formula.
Sometimes you'll want to substitute in later as things can cancel but in this case it's a lot easier to just substitute in as you're left with a quadratic equation.
Usually you won't be given a question like this though.
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Re: VCE Physics Question Thread!
« Reply #2002 on: March 20, 2018, 05:21:08 pm »
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Hey people :), just for question 2b for the 2014 physics exam I'm not understanding the numbers that are being inputted into Eg=Es. If someone could explain where their getting the numbers from that would be great.

Thanks
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Re: VCE Physics Question Thread!
« Reply #2003 on: March 20, 2018, 10:05:51 pm »
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Hey people :), just for question 2b for the 2014 physics exam I'm not understanding the numbers that are being inputted into Eg=Es. If someone could explain where their getting the numbers from that would be great.

Thanks
There are four 50g masses on it = 200g = 0.2kg
They used g=10 m/s^2
Change in height = max extension = h
k was found to be 5.0 N/m

Hope this helps, let me know if you're still confused :)
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Re: VCE Physics Question Thread!
« Reply #2004 on: March 21, 2018, 06:08:20 pm »
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All is good now :), I was just confused by the oscillation at the top as it was the same length as the unstretched spring. I guess when the the spring is oscillating upwards it goes past the equilibrium point.

Thanks :D

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Re: VCE Physics Question Thread!
« Reply #2005 on: March 22, 2018, 05:16:55 pm »
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How different are SAC and Exam type questions?
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« Reply #2006 on: March 22, 2018, 05:55:58 pm »
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I guess it really depends on what the school is giving you  :P
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Re: VCE Physics Question Thread!
« Reply #2007 on: April 01, 2018, 10:19:48 am »
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2.   Three people are on the oval on a windy day. The wind is blowing at 20 m/s east. Person A is in the centre, person B is 200 m North of A, person C is 200 m East of A. Person A makes a noise, when B and C hear the noise they will send a returning noise to A.
a.   Calculate time for sound to travel from A to B.
b.   Determine the time for sound to travel from A to C and back to A.
c.   Calculate the time difference, Δt, for the two returning sounds.

i'm not sure how to do calculations involving wind, how does the wind affect person B in relation to person in in part a) 

thanks in advance!
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Re: VCE Physics Question Thread!
« Reply #2008 on: April 11, 2018, 11:11:21 pm »
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Need help with this projectile motion question.
I've kinda modified the question myself. (Q3 b 2014)

So if they gave you:
h=3.7m
vx=17.32
uy=10
angle=30 deg
(Gotta look at the question itself or its pretty confusing :P)

How would you find the total time?
(I used s=ut+0.5at^2, then the quadratic formula but i keep getting the wrong number)
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Re: VCE Physics Question Thread!
« Reply #2009 on: April 11, 2018, 11:39:02 pm »
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Need help with this projectile motion question.
I've kinda modified the question myself. (Q3 b 2014)

So if they gave you:
h=3.7m
vx=17.32
uy=10
angle=30 deg
(Gotta look at the question itself or its pretty confusing :P)

How would you find the total time?
(I used s=ut+0.5at^2, then the quadratic formula but i keep getting the wrong number)


You would have to use the initial vertical speed as U and v=0 at the top (talking about the motion vertically). Then find the time to get to v=0 and double it.
You can find the initial vertical speed by using trig
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