Question concerning Medicine/Surgery at Monash

[brightsky]

Forgive me for my ignorance, but are students who did not sit the UMAT allowed to include Medicine/Surgery @ Monash as one of their preferences? Also, what is the difference between Medicine/Surgery, Medicine/Surgery (CSP Bonded), and Medicine/Surgery (CSP Extended Rural Cohort)?

Thanks!

[thushan]

Forgive me for my ignorance, but are students who did not sit the UMAT allowed to include Medicine/Surgery @ Monash as one of their preferences? Also, what is the difference between Medicine/Surgery, Medicine/Surgery (CSP Bonded), and Medicine/Surgery (CSP Extended Rural Cohort)?

Thanks!

Yeah, you are allowed to put it as a preference - but you won't be considered, so it would be a waste of a preference
If you really want to do Medicine, I suggest applying for Monash Biomedical Science and getting high marks there - there is an entry pathway into Monash Gippsland MBBS (for which you don't have to sit GAMSAT).

[brightsky]

Yeah, you are allowed to put it as a preference - but you won't be considered, so it would be a waste of a preference
If you really want to do Medicine, I suggest applying for Monash Biomedical Science and getting high marks there - there is an entry pathway into Monash Gippsland MBBS (for which you don't have to sit GAMSAT).

Ah I see. Thanks thushan!

[thushan]

Ah I see. Thanks thushan!

However, knowing you - just apply for Melbourne Chancellors' Scholars program.

[brightsky]

However, knowing you - just apply for Melbourne Chancellors' Scholars program.

Haha, I doubt I'll get an offer...but I'll definitely include it as one of my preferences. I'm still not quite sure what I want to do at uni...

[thushan]

Haha, I doubt I'll get an offer...but I'll definitely include it as one of my preferences. I'm still not quite sure what I want to do at uni...

In that case, I think you should apply for Melbourne.

[datfatcat]

If you want to do medicine but have not done/ didn't do well the UMAT, you can consider applying James Cook Medicine.  They do not need UMAT.  Also, like what thushan said, there's the post-grad pathway to get into med.

[brightsky]

In that case, I think you should apply for Melbourne.

mmm...will definitely put Melbourne above Monash. I had a skim through the 'Science vs. Biomed @ Melb" thread a couple of days ago, but am still uncertain which I prefer more. How does Science 'work'? My impression is that Science is infinitely more flexible than Biomed, in that it has fewer 'core subjects', and affords more opportunity for students to pursue their own interests. But then apparently, students need to fulfil certain prerequisites to be eligible for certain post-grad courses...

[Shenz0r]

Only the MD at Melbourne has pre-requisites, I don't think the other universities need you to do them though.

I'm pretty sure Melbourne requires you to do 2nd year Anatomy, Physiology and Biochemistry. These pre-requisites also have pre-requisites - you have to do 1st year Biology and Chemistry I believe.

A bonded offer means that you're required to work in in an area with a shortage of doctors (aka rural areas) for however long you went to medical school.

The extended rural cohort does the bulk of their study and rotations in regional medical centres (so you'd be going to places like Mildura, Bendigo, Ballarat). I'm not too familiar with it though, if someone could elaborate that would be great

[shinny]

The extended rural cohort does the bulk of their study and rotations in regional medical centres (so you'd be going to places like Mildura, Bendigo, Ballarat). I'm not too familiar with it though, if someone could elaborate that would be great

The Monash course has 5 years, 2 pre-clinical years (i.e. normal uni years) at Clayton campus, and 3 clinical years in hospitals around Victoria. As far as I understand, ERC do their pre-clin years as normal, then have to do their 3rd and 4th year at regional centres. I think they only get to pick from Mildura and Bendigo at present. In 5th year, you then get to do about half your rotations in rural and half in the city.

[pi]

Just to repeat/re-clarify

Forgive me for my ignorance, but are students who did not sit the UMAT allowed to include Medicine/Surgery @ Monash as one of their preferences?

As T-bag said, you *can* but there's not really any point because you won't receive an interview (or an offer).

Also, what is the difference between Medicine/Surgery, Medicine/Surgery (CSP Bonded), and Medicine/Surgery (CSP Extended Rural Cohort)?

Ok, so MBBS (CSP) is a normal place. That means you do your 5 years (which as shinny said is 2 years in uni as a pre-clinical student, and 3 years in hospitals as a clinical student) and then you're free to work wherever you want to and so forth. You can do your clinical years in the metro regions (the norm) or you can do some of it in rural areas (not the North-West region, which is the area reserved for ERC) if you want. At the end-ish of second year you get a choice as for preferences for clinical years (I filled mine out yesterday) which is essentially a choice between rural and metropolitan (no choice of hospitals any more - not really much of a difference though).

MBBS (CSP Bonded) is identical to above except that you've signed a Bond with the Fed Govt. Basically the bond is that you must work in an area of work-force shortage (RA2 or more, which is most likely to be a rural location) for the time of your degree starting that period (I think) within 16 years of starting your degree. So for the typical Monash student, you get 11 years after you graduate to start this period of 5 years. This Bond can be payed off (something like $90k for the full thing) in full or in part and also working in more remote areas can decrease your Bond period. These places are offered to the bottom quartile of the cohort based on ATAR+UMAT+Interview, which is something like 60 students every year.

MBBS (ERC) is pretty much what shinny said, about 2.5 years of your degree will be in a regional setting (North-West only - which is only Mildura or Bendigo). This is also a CSP place, but they do preference these places to students from a rural/regional setting.

If you want to do medicine but have not done/ didn't do well the UMAT, you can consider applying James Cook Medicine.  They do not need UMAT.

Also Griffith!

[grannysmith]

This Bond can be payed off

Really? Never knew that.

[krisyrocks]

Thushan - Is it confirmed that Monash is dropping the GAMSAT?   The MBBS Presenter (A/Prof Margaret, I think) on Open Day explained that she and her team are reviewing the entry guidelines into Graduate Medicine and hinted that GAMSAT may be off the table, though could not confirm at this stage.

[Limista]

^ One must sit the GAMSAT at Melbourne Uni to get entry into graduate medicine by the way. If someone wants to go to Monash to study undergraduate medicine, the UMAT must be sat.

[Russ]

It's not definitively confirmed.