Rape victim dies

[teletubbies_95]

@Chicken_95: Nahh, i dont thinkthe psychological help that would happen!They would be more interested in giving the perpretators the life sentence !  I totally agree with you !

@Special At Specialist: But the multiple perpetuators did the same grotesque crime. So , i think they deserve to all get the same sentence !  I don't think we should get personal here guys ! 

[HighLatency]

There was one victim of crime, but multiple perpetrators.

Tell me, if each of the 6 men raped and murdered 1 woman each, would you give them a lighter sentence, since it is just "normal rape" instead of "gang rape"?

If anything, I would argue that they deserve 1/6th the punishment, since each of them basically only committed 1/6th of the act of the rape + murder of a person. It's bad enough that they are being given the same penalty for raping and murdering one person together as if they had each individually done it to 6 different victims, so stop being ridiculous and expecting a grossly disproportionate sentence like a death penalty.

Please don't throw this bullshit at me. Yes, I can imagine it. Yes, I would be very upset. But I wouldn't expect you to go on a mass-killing spree on my behalf, just to make my feelings slightly better.

Dat logic

So I guess if 100 people raped this one woman, they would each recieve 1/100th of the punishment

[ninwa]

There was one victim of crime, but multiple perpetrators.

Tell me, if each of the 6 men raped and murdered 1 woman each, would you give them a lighter sentence, since it is just "normal rape" instead of "gang rape"?

If anything, I would argue that they deserve 1/6th the punishment, since each of them basically only committed 1/6th of the act of the rape + murder of a person. It's bad enough that they are being given the same penalty for raping and murdering one person together as if they had each individually done it to 6 different victims, so stop being ridiculous and expecting a grossly disproportionate sentence like a death penalty.

the fuck

Pretty sure each person committed the same act of rape. Rape isn't something that's diluted like cordial

[Russ]

TIL if enough people rape a woman, they'll get off with half an hour in jail.
Although there are still a bunch of people who apparently want them to be raped and tortured, so it probably fits into this thread's level of crazytalk

nb in terms of therapy you could use one of the semi reversible chemical castration drugs in exchange for a lighter sentence, which is something that happens with juvenile sex offenders as well, but in terms of psychological help it's pretty iffy whether a court would actually accept that as "treatment"

[Mr Keshy]

I just can't justify the reasoning of giving each 6 of them 1/6th of the punishment.. It seems like you're saying they should share the blame. That could work for breaking a toy or a window. But honestly, in a case such as rape, I do not see any reason to "share the pain" as such. They all willingly raped a woman so they should all bear the same charges.. I'm trying to give an example but I'm struggling to find one at the moment.

the fuck

Pretty sure each person committed the same act of rape. Rape isn't something that's diluted like cordial

Dat logic

So I guess if 100 people raped this one woman, they would each recieve 1/100th of the punishment

My thoughts exactly.

Yes, I can imagine it.

Again, to be honest. I really don't think you can.

[Biceps]

There was one victim of crime, but multiple perpetrators.

Tell me, if each of the 6 men raped and murdered 1 woman each, would you give them a lighter sentence, since it is just "normal rape" instead of "gang rape"?

If anything, I would argue that they deserve 1/6th the punishment, since each of them basically only committed 1/6th of the act of the rape + murder of a person. It's bad enough that they are being given the same penalty for raping and murdering one person together as if they had each individually done it to 6 different victims, so stop being ridiculous and expecting a grossly disproportionate sentence like a death penalty.

Please don't throw this bullshit at me. Yes, I can imagine it. Yes, I would be very upset. But I wouldn't expect you to go on a mass-killing spree on my behalf, just to make my feelings slightly better.

It is to achieve justice. What kind of government lets people get away with crimes of this magnitude? This is India we are talking about. The corruption there would eventually let these idiots roam free possibly to commit more crimes.
Think from the victim's perspective, did she deserve to die? She was just an innocent person living her life like everyone else.
1/6th of the punishment?? Are you kidding me? So just because there was more of them they should be punished less? What if more people were involved would that mean that they go jail for a week or 2?

[slothpomba]

The death penalty is categorically wrong, every time, in every circumstance.

I understand peoples horror and revulsion in this situation. It's totally justifiable. Most of the justification here lies in visceral and brutal feelings of vengeance rather than justice.

The USA has a much higher crime rate than us AND a death penalty. It won't magical stop rapes from happening. Prison isn't a present place either. I highly doubt rapists bust out the legal code and do a cost benefit analysis of their punishment before they go out and rape someone.

"The burning of the house of the offender is not a permissible punishment for arson. The rape of the offender is not a permissible punishment of a rapist. Why should murder be a permissible punishment for murder? - Ismail Mahomed"

What he did was wrong but should we do something wrong to make up for it?

India is notoriously corrupt. The legal process is excruciatingly slow and unfair. If you cannot absolutely guarantee innocent people will not be murdered by the state, then, there should not be a death penalty.

[Mr Keshy]

The death penalty is categorically wrong, every time, in every circumstance.

I understand peoples horror and revulsion in this situation. It's totally justifiable. Most of the justification here lies in visceral and brutal feelings of vengeance rather than justice.

The USA has a much higher crime rate than us AND a death penalty. It won't magical stop rapes from happening. Prison isn't a present place either. I highly doubt rapists bust out the legal code and do a cost benefit analysis of their punishment before they go out and rape someone.

"The burning of the house of the offender is not a permissible punishment for arson. The rape of the offender is not a permissible punishment of a rapist. Why should murder be a permissible punishment for murder? - Ismail Mahomed"

What he did was wrong but should we do something wrong to make up for it?

India is notoriously corrupt. The legal process is excruciatingly slow and unfair. If you cannot absolutely guarantee innocent people will not be murdered by the state, then, there should not be a death penalty.

Fair call actually. But what would you suggest?

[JellyDonut]

If anything, I would argue that they deserve 1/6th the punishment, since each of them basically only committed 1/6th of the act of the rape + murder of a person. It's bad enough that they are being given the same penalty for raping and murdering one person together as if they had each individually done it to 6 different victims, so stop being ridiculous and expecting a grossly disproportionate sentence like a death penalty.

what the fuck man. i'll spell it out for you: being gangraped doesn't mean that they are raping 5 less people, it means that you're getting raped 5 more times

[slothpomba]

Fair call actually. But what would you suggest?

Well, obviously no one wants a rapist roaming around on the streets. I don't have any stats or anything but it seems like they're more likely, certainly already posses a disposition, to rape than your average person on the street.

Punishment is one way you can modify behaviour and locking them up in prison is one way you can prevent them from thinking they're free to do it again. I'm sure there are thousands of rape cases that get absolutely no news coverage at all, the level of press or public rage shouldn't be proportional to the punishment or justice that gets served, comparing one rape case to another. Anything above 10-15 years to life, the exact term is up to the politicians and electorate to decide, based on their morality and the best scientific evidence we have (how many people reoffend, etc).

The death penalty would be a real bad idea though.

I can feel it coming that some people might say it's cheaper but in the USA at least, it isn't. All the appeals you can lodge against it cost the government tonnes of money in legal fees and they have to provide lawyers for the convicted if they cant afford them. If you do the death penalty right, there should be a rigorous system of checks, balances and appeals to try absolutely minimise the number of innocent executed (and we know innocent people have been executed).

This costs money, so much to the degree its cheaper to keep them in prison for life. According to that link, the savings are on the order of tens of millions per year. Imagine if you spent that on reducing crime before it happened. These criminals are scum, should we let them make us spend hundreds of millions on them rather than pump it into schools or hospitals?

Even if it was cheaper, killing someone shouldn't be based on the fact its a cost saving measure.

[treystorm]

statistical evidence notes a rape is reported every 18 hours in Delhi.

that is just F-messed up.

[nacho]

statistical evidence notes a rape is reported every 18 hours in Delhi.

that is just F-messed up.

and rape is the most underreported crime in india - the actual amount of rapes that occur would be FAR higher than 1 per 18 hours in delhi - because of the shame and embarassment it brings to the girl and family. Also because the police are largely horrible and useless, and sometimes rape the person filing the report (not common, but not unheard of)

There was one victim of crime, but multiple perpetrators.

Tell me, if each of the 6 men raped and murdered 1 woman each, would you give them a lighter sentence, since it is just "normal rape" instead of "gang rape"?

If anything, I would argue that they deserve 1/6th the punishment, since each of them basically only committed 1/6th of the act of the rape + murder of a person. It's bad enough that they are being given the same penalty for raping and murdering one person together as if they had each individually done it to 6 different victims, so stop being ridiculous and expecting a grossly disproportionate sentence like a death penalty.

Please don't throw this bullshit at me. Yes, I can imagine it. Yes, I would be very upset. But I wouldn't expect you to go on a mass-killing spree on my behalf, just to make my feelings slightly better.

Are you just playing devil's advocate here, or do you sincerely believe this?
The punishment for murder and attempted murder is the death sentence in India, and since she died they should be hung.
Your logic is idiotic, saying that the punishment should be divided because of the number of perpetrators. They all murdered and raped her. You can't 1/6th rape and murder someone. She's not 5/6ths alive. She's dead. And if we did use your system, wouldn't you have to consider the level of responsibility? How would you prove that they all equally did the same damage?
That would be the biggest loophole in any law system.
A large enough gang could keep murdering people and allege that all it's members contributed in the murder and thus get off within a matter of days.

[Curry_bro]

statistical evidence notes a rape is reported every 18 hours in Delhi.

that is just F-messed up.

it is. even though their population is pretty high, that stat is still abnormally stratospheric

[Special At Specialist]

It's not about the rape, it's about the murder. I can understand what you're saying about gang raping them, but I'm more referring to the murder aspect of it. Besides, she died almost immediately after being raped, so it's not like she had to live with the pain of being gang raped. I think that in this case, the crime of murder basically overrides the crime of rape, so we should charge them for murder instead.

And yes, if 1000 people all murdered 1 person together, I don't think that all 1000 people should get life imprisonment. After all, they could have murdered another 999 people and still got the same punishment. We don't want to put people in a situation where they say to themselves "I've committed one crime and I'm about to get the death penalty, so I might as well just go on a murdering rampage, since the punishment is going to be the same for me regardless". That is why the punishments need to be more appropriate. I mean, as long as they are spending some time in jail + given a criminal record which will basically ruin their future, then that's enough.

[Starfish!POWER]

DO you guys honestly believe that these guys should get the death penalty? Thats a bit inhuman, if you ask me