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Re: Unit 3 Questions MEGATHREAD :)
« Reply #510 on: June 14, 2011, 10:10:38 pm »
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Just to clarify, When esterification occurs which loses the OH group. Alcohol or Acid? I assume same thing goes for glycerol and fatty acids.
The carboxyl group loses the OH which is the acid.
Actually im not too sure :P

You were right, the carboxyl group loses the OH and the hydroxyl loses its H.
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Re: Unit 3 Questions MEGATHREAD :)
« Reply #511 on: June 14, 2011, 10:11:59 pm »
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Came across on question telling me to give the semi structural formula of the triglyceride shown... how do we do that? As far as I know, I can only give the semi structural formula of glycerol... haha, but not both of them combined... =|

Why not?
Glycerol has an OH group
The fatty dudes have a carboxylic group

Add them and you get an ester



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Re: Unit 3 Questions MEGATHREAD :)
« Reply #512 on: June 14, 2011, 10:16:06 pm »
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Came across on question telling me to give the semi structural formula of the triglyceride shown... how do we do that? As far as I know, I can only give the semi structural formula of glycerol... haha, but not both of them combined... =|

Why not?
Glycerol has an OH group
The fatty dudes have a carboxylic group

Add them and you get an ester

Hrmm... what I mean is that I have trouble giving the semi structural formula... sure enough I know how to draw up the structural formula...

but hrmm..

let's say we're given glycerol + lauric acid

Would the semi structural just be: .... HOCH2CHOHCH2OH Okay already given up... don't know how to add the fatty acid into the semi structural formula.

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Re: Unit 3 Questions MEGATHREAD :)
« Reply #513 on: June 14, 2011, 10:19:28 pm »
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the fatty acid acts as the carboxylic acid;  so you would get something like:
CH3(CH2)15COOCH3

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Re: Unit 3 Questions MEGATHREAD :)
« Reply #514 on: June 14, 2011, 10:19:42 pm »
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Which text book do you use?
There's a diagram in the Heinemann on page 179



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Re: Unit 3 Questions MEGATHREAD :)
« Reply #515 on: June 14, 2011, 10:23:18 pm »
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the fatty acid acts as the carboxylic acid;  so you would get something like:
CH3(CH2)15COOCH3

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« Reply #516 on: June 14, 2011, 10:24:10 pm »
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Which text book do you use?
There's a diagram in the Heinemann on page 179

Thanks =D Found the page :)
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Re: Unit 3 Questions MEGATHREAD :)
« Reply #517 on: June 15, 2011, 12:07:53 am »
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denaturing enzymes will change tertiary and secondary structures? yes???

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« Reply #518 on: June 15, 2011, 12:18:48 am »
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denaturing enzymes will change tertiary and secondary structures? yes???
Yep.
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Re: Unit 3 Questions MEGATHREAD :)
« Reply #519 on: June 15, 2011, 08:23:43 am »
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1. When writing out the equation for oxidation from an alcohol to a carboxylic acid, does the H+/MnO4- go above the arrow or are they reactants?

2. Will 100M of weak acid have the same concentration as 1M of a monoprotic strong acid?

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Re: Unit 3 Questions MEGATHREAD :)
« Reply #520 on: June 15, 2011, 08:38:01 am »
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1. When writing out the equation for oxidation from an alcohol to a carboxylic acid, does the H+/MnO4- go above the arrow or are they reactants?

2. Will 100M of weak acid have the same concentration as 1M of a monoprotic strong acid?
I'm not completely sure but hopefully someone corrects me.

1. I generally put the MnO4- or Cr2O72- on top of the arrow and the H+ on the bottom.

2. Concentration has no effect on the strength of the acid and pretty sure its the other around too. Concentration refers to the AMOUNT of acid present in the solution. Whereas the strength of an acid is it's ability to ionise in aqueous solutions or donate a proton readily. Hope that makes sense.

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Re: Unit 3 Questions MEGATHREAD :)
« Reply #521 on: June 15, 2011, 10:23:25 am »
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1. When writing out the equation for oxidation from an alcohol to a carboxylic acid, does the H+/MnO4- go above the arrow or are they reactants?

2. Will 100M of weak acid have the same concentration as 1M of a monoprotic strong acid?
I'm not completely sure but hopefully someone corrects me.

1. I generally put the MnO4- or Cr2O72- on top of the arrow and the H+ on the bottom.

2. Concentration has no effect on the strength of the acid and pretty sure its the other around too. Concentration refers to the AMOUNT of acid present in the solution. Whereas the strength of an acid is it's ability to ionise in aqueous solutions or donate a proton readily. Hope that makes sense.

That is correct. At least for 1.
I'm quite positive 2 is too

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Re: Unit 3 Questions MEGATHREAD :)
« Reply #522 on: June 15, 2011, 10:33:32 am »
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Awesome, thanks for your help guys, and good luck!