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« Reply #1425 on: November 07, 2014, 04:02:08 pm »
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Thanks Jawnie.

I just read out of the book that it overrides the original precedent, not sure if that means abrogate but I'll trust you :)
Another question! With last years exan, question 12, it asks you to analyse the impact of a referendum with regards to a case. The high scoring answer in the report seems to write all this unnecessary crap, or I'm doing it wrong. I thought I couldnjump right into the question talking about 1967 indigenous referendum and how the deletion of a few words saw a shift in the division of powers, but apparently you need to analyse some random points about referendums. I'm confused.

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« Reply #1426 on: November 07, 2014, 04:59:35 pm »
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Just curious as to how we go about abbreviating words in the exam?
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I've been told only abbreviate things that are abbreviated in the stimulus, ie. If the question references VCAT as 'VCAT', you can use 'VCAT'.

I remember reading somewhere that Discovery now has a 10 week time limit as of 2010 (i think), can anyone confirm this?
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« Reply #1427 on: November 07, 2014, 05:22:28 pm »
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Thanks Jawnie.

I just read out of the book that it overrides the original precedent, not sure if that means abrogate but I'll trust you :)

Which textbook do you use?
I'm currently using the A+ legal notes as my reference and here is what it says
"Disapproving: A judge may refuse to follow an earlier decision of another judge in the same court. They are then showing their disapproval and lack of agreement with the earlier decision. Both precedents remain in force until another case on the issue is taken to a higher court, which can overrule the previous decision and create a new precedent. Also, judges in a lower court can express disapproval about a precedent set in a higher court that they are bound to follow."

Think of disapproving as a stepping stone that leads to overruling!
Have a read of this post, it may be helpful
http://merspi.com.au/68134/difference-between-overruling-and-disapproving-precedent
Hope that clears things up a little!


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« Reply #1428 on: November 07, 2014, 05:36:16 pm »
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what exam score would i need to get to get a 40 study score?
You'd need a mid-high A+ maybe around 64 out of 70 (if your sacs scale to an A+), this depends on your cohort
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« Reply #1429 on: November 07, 2014, 06:01:54 pm »
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Which textbook do you use?
I'm currently using the A+ legal notes as my reference and here is what it says
"Disapproving: A judge may refuse to follow an earlier decision of another judge in the same court. They are then showing their disapproval and lack of agreement with the earlier decision. Both precedents remain in force until another case on the issue is taken to a higher court, which can overrule the previous decision and create a new precedent. Also, judges in a lower court can express disapproval about a precedent set in a higher court that they are bound to follow."

Think of disapproving as a stepping stone that leads to overruling!
Have a read of this post, it may be helpful
http://merspi.com.au/68134/difference-between-overruling-and-disapproving-precedent
Hope that clears things up a little!

My endorsement on this, too! Disapproval is just saying you don't like something (in obiter). Whether or not you then go ahead and follow it (or distinguish, or overrule) is a matter for the specific case, the position of the court in the hierarchy, etc.
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« Reply #1430 on: November 07, 2014, 06:04:45 pm »
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Thanks Jawnie.

I just read out of the book that it overrides the original precedent, not sure if that means abrogate but I'll trust you :)
Another question! With last years exan, question 12, it asks you to analyse the impact of a referendum with regards to a case. The high scoring answer in the report seems to write all this unnecessary crap, or I'm doing it wrong. I thought I couldnjump right into the question talking about 1967 indigenous referendum and how the deletion of a few words saw a shift in the division of powers, but apparently you need to analyse some random points about referendums. I'm confused.

The question asked you to analyse the impact of referendum, as a means of changing the division of powers. The focus of the question is therefore the referendum process, and the ability of it to change the wording of the Constitution to have an impact on the powers of the parliaments. The question just asked you to 'use' an example to illustrate your answer - the focus isn't the example. It's not random points about referenda - it's the extent to which referenda are effective, powerful ways of changing the division of powers. Always connect your task word to the content it's relating to: here, the 'analyse' was referenda in general.
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« Reply #1431 on: November 07, 2014, 06:10:54 pm »
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States refer powers to the Cth for a uniform law. This means that they lose their power and are giving it to the Cth. Therefore it is exclusive power, generally. For example, I believe that States were able to make laws with regards to terrorism, but since 9/11 they referred their powers to CTH and now only Cth can make laws in that area at the expense of the states power.

Ah, no - not quite. The ability of the Commonwealth to legislate on referred matters is in s51. Section 51 is a list of concurrent powers, so therefore the general assumption is that referred matters can also be used by the Commonwealth as though they were concurrent. Which means that Commonwealth law can override state law within the scope of the referral, pursuant to s109.

The area on which we still need clarity (from the HCA, though, not from VCAA) is whether the states are *able* to refer a power so it becomes exclusive. To the best of my knowledge this has never been the subject of a dispute before, so the HCA has not given us a ruling on it. We just guess - and the guess is, probably not. (It has been discussed in obiter before, but there's no majority precedent on it that I know of.)

Regarding uniform laws, referrals very rarely result in uniform laws, because every single state needs to refer the power for this to happen. This did happen with terrorism, but even then it was a text based referral, where the states allowed the Commonwealth to pass the ONE piece of legislation, and the wording of that legislation was contained in the referral acts. The Commonwealth needs state permission to change that legislation. The states can still legislate in areas of 'terrorism' (after all, terrorism is just criminal law with a fancy and rather stupid/arbitrary name chucked on it), but if they conflict with the Commonwealth law in the area they can be challenged in the Federal Court.
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« Reply #1432 on: November 07, 2014, 06:15:33 pm »
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Thanks Jawnie.

I just read out of the book that it overrides the original precedent, not sure if that means abrogate but I'll trust you :)
Another question! With last years exan, question 12, it asks you to analyse the impact of a referendum with regards to a case. The high scoring answer in the report seems to write all this unnecessary crap, or I'm doing it wrong. I thought I couldnjump right into the question talking about 1967 indigenous referendum and how the deletion of a few words saw a shift in the division of powers, but apparently you need to analyse some random points about referendums. I'm confused.

Brief intro on the 2 methods:
1-2 sentences outlining what each method is
Comment on how HC interp has historically impacted more on the d.o.p

Referendum:
1) The difficulty of achieving a double majority vote (generalise this)
2) Lack of bi-partisan support (generalise this)
3) Lack of level of voter understanding
These are often the reason why referendums are unsuccessful.

Then chuck in a however, these factors have seen to also largely contribute to the success of referendums and reference back to the 1967 referendum.
1) It achieved the double majority vote despite the difficulty of achieving it.
. The national YES vote was 90.77 %
. The highest 'yes' vote ever recorded in a federal referendum
. The YES vote was highest in Victoria and lowest in Western Australia
. Received a majority vote in all six states

2) The referendum contained bi-partisan support. This was because the Prime Minister at the time, Harold Holt, presented many reasons to why a YES vote should occur. These reasons include:
  Aborigines should be able to share the same status as non-indigenous Australians.
  To try and heal some of the wounds of discrimination
  To allow for uniformity within laws dealing with indigenous Australians- take away power from each of the states and give it to the Commonwealth.

3)To address the lack of level of understanding factor
What was unique about the cases presented were that no “NO” vote cases were presented. This would then tip the scales towards the yes-vote because there were no valid or strong arguments/ campaigns against a yes vote. Therefore, majority of people were unaware of why they shouldn’t vote yes, so instead, they complied with the presented yes arguments.

End with the impact
  This changed the balance of law making power in favour of the Commonwealth by giving them the right to make laws in areas where they previously were not able to. Because before the referendum, the states had residual power to make laws for the indigenous. It is now a concurrent power in which both the Commonwealth and states could legislate on.
  S109 guaranteed that any existing state laws that were inconsistent with Commonwealth law would no longer exist.
  Australia was able to pass the Racial Discrimination Act- the first federal anti-discrimination laws.
  Without the referendum, the Commonwealth would not have been able to pass this legislation to protect Indigenous people in this way.

- It changed/deleted section 51(xxvi) and section 123
- Could also draw on "the changeed law-making powers allowed subsequent parliaments to pass further laws in relation to Aboriginals. For example, in 1972 the Whitlam government established the Department of Aboriginal Affairs, and developed programs to address the needs of Aboriginal people in areas of employment, health, education, housing and the administration of justice.


Sorry it's all over the place. Overall, just pick out some points (not all) that you think is relevant from the 1967 referendum to illustrate your analysis of the factors affecting the likely success of referendum process. The focus of the question is on the method itself, not the case. Use the case to justify what you mentioned but don't let your answer be eaten by your example :P
This is just my approach, others may totally disagree but I hope this helps!
I'd use the same approach for HC interpretation.

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Re: VCE Legal Studies Question Thread
« Reply #1433 on: November 07, 2014, 06:35:01 pm »
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Ok so I have a question, please don't judge me for not knowing this.  :-[

Mediation, cociliation, arbitration & judicial determination - which ones can be used in only VCAT and which ones in the courts ? Which can be used by both courts & VCAT? I still get confused by this.

I would appreciate if someone can answer this. Thanks.

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« Reply #1434 on: November 07, 2014, 06:45:06 pm »
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Ok so I have a question, please don't judge me for not knowing this.  :-[

Mediation, cociliation, arbitration & judicial determination - which ones can be used in only VCAT and which ones in the courts ? Which can be used by both courts & VCAT? I still get confused by this.

I would appreciate if someone can answer this. Thanks.

All four are used in VCAT, and all four are used in the courts :)

VCAT hearings use both arbitration and JD; they have some mediation programs; conciliation is usually done through a related body such as Consumer Affairs.

Court hearings and trials use JD, but they also have arbitration lists; pre-trial there are some mediation programs (and private mediation), and some private conciliation. There might be a conciliation program run pre-trial for some matters in the Supreme Court, but I'd have to check.
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« Reply #1435 on: November 07, 2014, 06:54:56 pm »
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Ah, no - not quite. The ability of the Commonwealth to legislate on referred matters is in s51. Section 51 is a list of concurrent powers, so therefore the general assumption is that referred matters can also be used by the Commonwealth as though they were concurrent. Which means that Commonwealth law can override state law within the scope of the referral, pursuant to s109.

The area on which we still need clarity (from the HCA, though, not from VCAA) is whether the states are *able* to refer a power so it becomes exclusive. To the best of my knowledge this has never been the subject of a dispute before, so the HCA has not given us a ruling on it. We just guess - and the guess is, probably not. (It has been discussed in obiter before, but there's no majority precedent on it that I know of.)

Regarding uniform laws, referrals very rarely result in uniform laws, because every single state needs to refer the power for this to happen. This did happen with terrorism, but even then it was a text based referral, where the states allowed the Commonwealth to pass the ONE piece of legislation, and the wording of that legislation was contained in the referral acts. The Commonwealth needs state permission to change that legislation. The states can still legislate in areas of 'terrorism' (after all, terrorism is just criminal law with a fancy and rather stupid/arbitrary name chucked on it), but if they conflict with the Commonwealth law in the area they can be challenged in the Federal Court.

Thanks Megan! Much clearer  :)
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« Reply #1436 on: November 07, 2014, 07:20:32 pm »
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« Reply #1437 on: November 07, 2014, 07:53:28 pm »
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just a question
when discussing the referendum (1967) how much info do we have to go into when talking about the background of it, like prior to conducting the referendum?
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« Reply #1438 on: November 07, 2014, 08:11:12 pm »
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just a question
when discussing the referendum (1967) how much info do we have to go into when talking about the background of it, like prior to conducting the referendum?
Hey,
I wouldn't worry too much about the background info of 67' referendum- it's about the impact and aftermath of the referendum.
An example of what you would talk about prior to the referendum would be:
Prior to this change to the Constitution all indigenous issues had been left with the states because they were deemed to have more specialised knowledge.
-   Section 51 (xxvi) of the Commonwealth Constitution stated that the commonwealth could make laws for ‘the people of any race, other than the Aboriginal race in any state, for whom it is deemed necessary to make specials’.

Then, you would move to the impact the referendum had on altering the division of powers:
The wording of the Constitution changed:
Section 51 (xxvi) was changed by deleting the exclusion of Aborigines: ‘the people of any race, other than the Aboriginal race in any state, for whom it is deemed necessary to make special laws.”
Section 127 was deleted: ‘In reckoning the numbers of the people of the Commonwealth…aboriginal natives should not be counted’
The responsibility for Aboriginal affairs was now a concurrent power. This allowed the Commonwealth to be involved in an area that had been the responsibility of the states
There was an increased in the law-making power of the Commonwealth Parliament, as it now had law-making power in another area
This changed law-making powers allowed subsequent parliaments in relation to Aboriginals. (1972- establishment of Department of Aboriginal Affairs)
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« Reply #1439 on: November 08, 2014, 12:20:32 am »
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Hey,
I wouldn't worry too much about the background info of 67' referendum- it's about the impact and aftermath of the referendum.
An example of what you would talk about prior to the referendum would be:
Prior to this change to the Constitution all indigenous issues had been left with the states because they were deemed to have more specialised knowledge.
-   Section 51 (xxvi) of the Commonwealth Constitution stated that the commonwealth could make laws for ‘the people of any race, other than the Aboriginal race in any state, for whom it is deemed necessary to make specials’.

Then, you would move to the impact the referendum had on altering the division of powers:
The wording of the Constitution changed:
Section 51 (xxvi) was changed by deleting the exclusion of Aborigines: ‘the people of any race, other than the Aboriginal race in any state, for whom it is deemed necessary to make special laws.”
Section 127 was deleted: ‘In reckoning the numbers of the people of the Commonwealth…aboriginal natives should not be counted’
The responsibility for Aboriginal affairs was now a concurrent power. This allowed the Commonwealth to be involved in an area that had been the responsibility of the states
There was an increased in the law-making power of the Commonwealth Parliament, as it now had law-making power in another area
This changed law-making powers allowed subsequent parliaments in relation to Aboriginals. (1972- establishment of Department of Aboriginal Affairs)
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