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Archived Discussion => English Studies => 2011 => End-of-year exams => Exam Discussion => Victoria => English and ESL => Topic started by: Russ on November 03, 2011, 11:46:34 am
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Just to try and break up the inevitable flood of posts, if you want to ask specific questions or discuss specific sections there are three threads :)
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Perfect, prepared a response to 'Belonging to a group gives one a sense of identity' a couple days ago which was pretty much identical to the exams prompt.
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Conflict was beautiful, compromise could be interpreted so many ways :)
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bullshitted my way through conflict... :D i think i did okay...but if i were the assessors, i'd give it 0:(
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Loved the Imaginative Landscape prompt - so, so easy! :D
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So bad, I just didn't do as well as I had hoped, shiet happens, but I hope my LA and TR can compensate for this, I'll be happy with an 8, that's the max I think I'd get :S
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i think i was the only one who didn't have a pre- written response to context, what about you guys???
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i think i was the only one who didn't have a pre- written response to context, what about you guys???
I didn't. But I stuffed it. fml.
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Meh, I had to rush through my Context... did ok, I hope.
Hoping for a max of 8, lmfao.
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This year's "Whose Reality" was a topic that I was least expecting. It was clearly served to help those who had creative, and thus escape the defining aspect of Experience. Like for those doing expository, like myself, got to fucking define Experience. Anyways, I had 45 mins left to do it, rushed it like a boss.
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This year's "Whose Reality" was a topic that I was least expecting. It was clearly served to help those who had creative, and thus escape the defining aspect of Experience. Like for those doing expository, like myself, got to fucking define Experience. Anyways, I had 45 mins left to do it, rushed it like a boss.
Did whose reality get screwed over yet again?
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Imaginative Landscape. Good prompt. Did a creative, as I was asked to, think it would go ok :)
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yeah Whose Reality's prompt was garbage was very limited into the responses you could write about
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yeah Whose Reality's prompt was garbage was very limited into the responses you could write about
Amen
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I did encountering conflict....started imaginary and fucked it up incredibad...
crossed out 2 pages of writing and wrote an expository piece in the last 30 minutes....
5 or 6 i'll be happy with considerng how shit it was.
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What was the conflict prompt?Any conflict studs?
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I did encountering conflict....started imaginary and fucked it up incredibad...
crossed out 2 pages of writing and wrote an expository piece in the last 30 minutes....
5 or 6 i'll be happy with considerng how shit it was.
Same. How many pages did you manage in the 30 min?
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Whose Reality was really restricting. I thought the prompts were suppose to be general but I felt a couldn't use a really strong paragraph I had on repression. Hopefully I adapted my the rest of my piece well enough.
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What was the conflict prompt?Any conflict studs?
Some like "The ability to compromise is important when responding to conflict"
I did paragraphs like this:
1. On compromise
2. Not only compromise, but peace and understanding
3. Not only compromise, tolerance and respect
4. Above all, search for truth and justice is most important
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yeah Whose Reality's prompt was garbage was very limited into the responses you could write about
Amen
THIS X10000
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What was the conflict prompt?Any conflict studs?
Some like "The ability to compromise is important when responding to conflict"
Thanks mate, cheers!
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The Identity & Belonging prompt was so vague... and different to what I'd prepared for.
I interpreted in (what I think) an obscure way.
Wrote about how other people see you sometimes mattering more than how you see yourself, with comical reflections on conversations and observations of people I'd had at house parties :/
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My Spies piece fit the Whose Reality prompt pretty well, was pleased
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The Identity & Belonging prompt was so vague... and different to what I'd prepared for.
I interpreted in (what I think) an obscure way.
Wrote about how other people see you sometimes mattering more than how you see yourself, with comical reflections on conversations and observations of people I'd had at house parties :/
Yeh I wrote about how we define ourselves through others, we lose friends i.e. we break connections with others then we redefine ourselves with new connections. related it to witness but I also tried to say that not everyone is like that, there are a few who don't need others to define them which lead me to write about Sheldon Cooper. He defines himself, he doesn't need connections so he will never change.
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This year's "Whose Reality" was a topic that I was least expecting. It was clearly served to help those who had creative, and thus escape the defining aspect of Experience. Like for those doing expository, like myself, got to fucking define Experience. Anyways, I had 45 mins left to do it, rushed it like a boss.
Am I the only one who like "Whose reality?" prompt? I thought it was exceptional for an imaginative piece (which is what I did)
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This year's "Whose Reality" was a topic that I was least expecting. It was clearly served to help those who had creative, and thus escape the defining aspect of Experience. Like for those doing expository, like myself, got to fucking define Experience. Anyways, I had 45 mins left to do it, rushed it like a boss.
Am I the only one who like "Whose reality?" prompt? I thought it was exceptional for an imaginative piece (which is what I did)
I thought it was a good prompt :)
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related it to witness
Is it weird that I only said that talking to someone at a party is like raising a barn to shelter your awkwardness together? (in a much more eloquent way xD )
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that was the single most easiest and bestest exam evaaa!
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related it to witness
Is it weird that I only said that talking to someone at a party is like raising a barn to shelter your awkwardness together? (in a much more eloquent way xD )
You're bonding over a situation so it works I think. S*** I forgot about the whole barn raising thing, it would have worked well!
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I forgot about the whole barn raising thing, it would have worked well!
To be honest... It's the only thing I remember.
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Forgot to write Creative on the front page of the script book.....WHAT SHULD I DO???? :-\
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I forgot about the whole barn raising thing, it would have worked well!
To be honest... It's the only thing I remember.
Still can't believe Sheldon Cooper saved me again. He is so screwed up he is easy to write on :). At least it's over, now onto methods!
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Forgot to write Creative on the front page of the script book.....WHAT SHULD I DO???? :-\
Wait what, we had to write what peice we were doing on the front?????????
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Forgot to write Creative on the front page of the script book.....WHAT SHULD I DO???? :-\
Since when are we meant to write what piece we are writing!? D:
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yeh whether it was expository, persuasive or imaginative.
I FORGOT!!!!
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No we didn't?
Weren't we just supposed to right what kind of context we were doing? i.e. Encountering conflict etc.?
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I knew going in that context would be the hardest thing for me.
And holy fuck....I had an hour and 20 minutes...took me 40 minutes to work out what to write; I was doing Whose Reality with Streetcar as the text -> did I understand the prompt? Definitely. But I had NO CLUE what the fuck it related to in the book...ended up with 2 pages of garbage, probably lucky to get a 5
Seriously VCAA, give a different prompt for each book, because this was fucking ridiculous
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really? thank God, my mate was telling me we had to write what type of piece it was, didn't pay much attention to the front page of the script book anyways, so phew! :)
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whose reality killed me, in no way shape or form did it work for me, i pre wrote my story and then produced it in the exam, if it doesnt fit but the writing itself is good what is the highest mark i am looking at?
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Yeah, you weren't meant to write what kind, only the prompt area.
It's okay guys, deep breaths.
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Conflict was pretty good i thought..
went in with a memorised prompt which meant i used the word compromise like 10000000 times..
hopefully doesnt stop me getting a 9 or 10..
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Conflict was pretty good i thought..
went in with a memorised prompt which meant i used the word compromise like 10000000 times..
hopefully doesnt stop me getting a 9 or 10..
hahaha ditto. did you do the crucible? i did crucible and completely disagreed with the prompt in the essay...hopefully that's okay haha
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hahaha ditto. did you do the crucible? i did crucible and completely disagreed with the prompt in the essay...hopefully that's okay haha
same! completely disagreed;
use this quote by mary parker follet:
There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish.
kind of argued that we need to integrate and not compromise as we will compromise our morality, and not dominate either
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ah thats a great quote!
I argued that when it comes to our rights and people's lives at stake, it is not something to compromise about
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Conflict was pretty good i thought..
went in with a memorised prompt which meant i used the word compromise like 10000000 times..
hopefully doesnt stop me getting a 9 or 10..
hahaha ditto. did you do the crucible? i did crucible and completely disagreed with the prompt in the essay...hopefully that's okay haha
nah i used rugmaker..
and talked briefly about the refugees comprimising with their families so that they can flee..
but based my piece mostly on detention centres and why we should compromise so that the refugees can have better rights ladidadida :)
wrote it in a speech style
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I used the quote "you can't shake hands with a clenched fist" and basically talked about postive ways to resolve conflict such as obviously compromise, but also respect, tolerance, peace, and the search for truth and justice.
I made up some end to my conclusion like this--> we must uphold Indira Ghandi's words through approaching conflict not "through a clenched fist" but with an open palm to lead the resolution of conflict on the correct path.
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it was really hard for me to fit in my external reference for identity and belonging -stolen generation- but i managed by a one page story on how a girl affiliated with the strolen generation had no where to belong and hence sufferred an identity crisis
.. is that ok
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Not too bad, but i hope the examiners can see how i tried connecting my creative piece to the prompt... I tried making it obvious without using the same words as the prompt. Ah well..
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hahaha ditto. did you do the crucible? i did crucible and completely disagreed with the prompt in the essay...hopefully that's okay haha
same! completely disagreed;
use this quote by mary parker follet:
There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish.
kind of argued that we need to integrate and not compromise as we will compromise our morality, and not dominate either
I was going to use that quote but it was too long to recall so I used Indira Gandhi's instead :)
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Identity and Belonging was nice - cept I dont know whether I nailed the "me" part of the prompt :X
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I did something silly, instead of writing the text name up the top on the box I wrote the prompt, but I mentioned my text crucible in the essay, so will I be fine.
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Whose Reality guys
I wrote about
Shark Net - communism, ie. Robert Drewe joined the communist party as a teen, the experience of most people growing up back then was to fear the 'reds under the beds', he defied this fear and felt happy to join the communist party
Westboro Baptist church - children brought up in atmosphere of hate, some go against this and leave the family
1984 - talked about how winston rebelled against the government despite everyone living in essentially the same reality. shows the despite our similar experiences, we can all have different outcomes.
Ok it was wayyy better written in the exam than above obviously, and my links to the prompt were better; but can someone tell me if they think these are legitimate links and it looks ok? I know I shouldn't be stressing and just forget about it, but I am. It was the prompt that I'd least prepared for and I rushed it in about 45 mins.
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The Identity & Belonging prompt was so vague... and different to what I'd prepared for.
I interpreted in (what I think) an obscure way.
Wrote about how other people see you sometimes mattering more than how you see yourself, with comical reflections on conversations and observations of people I'd had at house parties :/
nice! yes, i hated this year's prompt. i thought it would be much more sophisticatedly worded. anyway, i wrote an imaginative piece based on growing up asian in australia. it was from the point of view of a mother who recounts her experiences as a high school student and explored the limited amount she had grown due to her insecurity about herself etc. and the fact that she tried to cover her cultural roots because she wanted to fit into the Australian 'white' community. i just hope that the examiners are able to see the thin link between the plot and the prompt...
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Whose Reality guys
I wrote about
Shark Net - communism, ie. Robert Drewe joined the communist party as a teen, the experience of most people growing up back then was to fear the 'reds under the beds', he defied this fear and felt happy to join the communist party
Westboro Baptist church - children brought up in atmosphere of hate, some go against this and leave the family
1984 - talked about how winston rebelled against the government despite everyone living in essentially the same reality. shows the despite our similar experiences, we can all have different outcomes.
Ok it was wayyy better written in the exam than above obviously, and my links to the prompt were better; but can someone tell me if they think these are legitimate links and it looks ok? I know I shouldn't be stressing and just forget about it, but I am. It was the prompt that I'd least prepared for and I rushed it in about 45 mins.
Sounds great!
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I wrote on landscape.."We create the places we dwell in" or something to that affect. I challenged the prompt with a story that demonstrated how, in fact, it is places that shape us. Despite my protagonist's efforts, he couldn't erase the landscape of his childhood. Was heavily influenced by Macleod's short story "The Return".
Wondering if anyone has any thoughts on how the markers may react to my disagreeing with the prompt?
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Feels like Conflicts' Crucible screwed me over with their 'compromise'.... Seems like it would've worked much better for something like Secret River though ;(
Yeh Compromise worked really well for Secret River and Rugmaker, in terms of dealing with the clash of cultures and the need to interact harmoniously.
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yeah Whose Reality's prompt was garbage was very limited into the responses you could write about
I think I got a little lucky, the prompt suited the piece I planned (to an extent) as a central theme of it was two characters who chose two very different paths despite a similar background. Exactly how well I went? Who knows, I find it hard to say, especially with English.
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yeah Whose Reality's prompt was garbage was very limited into the responses you could write about
I think I got a little lucky, the prompt suited the piece I planned (to an extent) as a central theme of it was two characters who chose two very different paths despite a similar background. Exactly how well I went? Who knows, I find it hard to say, especially with English.
Imaginative. All the kids that did imaginative at our school were so happy about the prompt, some even said it was PERFECT. Us expository kids...not so much :(
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i just hope that the examiners are able to see the thin link between the plot and the prompt...
They will, even if they don't get the topical links they will realise it's at least about being asian. ;D
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to the InB kiddies - how did you interpret "without connections with others there is no me" ?
I wrote about my homestay family in Hiroshima who treated me like their own (and wrote on my sappy past without my parents together and my brother left) and how I became someone else's daughter, sister and joker (wrote on my funny moments) ... but I dont know if I really hit that without "them" I wasn't "me" - I think I ended up saying without the homestay family I was a little lost with what "family" meant.... eep.
PS. text was Growing Up Asian lah!
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Awesome WR prompt, I used a piece that I wrote for my ASND SAC (nearly same prompt idea!) and got 4.5 pages in 40mins :D
Pleased with this section.
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i just hope that the examiners are able to see the thin link between the plot and the prompt...
They will, even if they don't get the topical links they will realise it's at least about being asian. ;D
HAHAA. thank you.
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Whose Reality guys
I wrote about
Shark Net - communism, ie. Robert Drewe joined the communist party as a teen, the experience of most people growing up back then was to fear the 'reds under the beds', he defied this fear and felt happy to join the communist party
Westboro Baptist church - children brought up in atmosphere of hate, some go against this and leave the family
1984 - talked about how winston rebelled against the government despite everyone living in essentially the same reality. shows the despite our similar experiences, we can all have different outcomes.
Ok it was wayyy better written in the exam than above obviously, and my links to the prompt were better; but can someone tell me if they think these are legitimate links and it looks ok? I know I shouldn't be stressing and just forget about it, but I am. It was the prompt that I'd least prepared for and I rushed it in about 45 mins.
Wait, did you use a text response text in context? :S
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Awesome WR prompt, I used a piece that I wrote for my ASND SAC (nearly same prompt idea!) and got 4.5 pages in 40mins :D
Pleased with this section.
Good job! My english teacher was waiting outside and when we walked out he was literally beaming at the WR prompt saying that it was
almost made for our class to do.
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ANYONE I NEED TO KNOW WHAT I SHOULD DO I FORGOT TO WRITE THE NAME OF MY CONTEXT ON THE FRONT PAGE
i made no reference to the actual book so what am i going to do? do i have to call VCAA up or something? i didnt say it was "whose reality"
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should be easy to guess if you wrote your novel used?
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So... is the general consensus that today's Context prompts were easy!?!
Whose Reality was without a doubt one of the easiest prompts I have ever seen. Usually when writing a piece I consider sort of, seven factors maybe, that contribute to the construction of reality, and generally prompts about memory and illusion exclude the chance to discuss particular factors, but today, there was literally nothing I felt you couldn't discuss with the prompts.
Optimistically hoping for a 9 or 10 out of ten.
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ANYONE I NEED TO KNOW WHAT I SHOULD DO I FORGOT TO WRITE THE NAME OF MY CONTEXT ON THE FRONT PAGE
i made no reference to the actual book so what am i going to do? do i have to call VCAA up or something? i didnt say it was "whose reality"
Call your school, find out when they send exams in, if not, yeah, I'd call VCAA.
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Wait, did you use a text response text in context? :S
Oh shit, was 1984 a text response? I studied Ransom + On the Waterfront.
whoops. i thought they got rid of that last year. oh well.
EDIT: no no just checked, it wasn't a text response for this year. thank godddddd
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yeah Whose Reality's prompt was garbage was very limited into the responses you could write about
i concur
it was more open than the 2008 one which was OBSCURE AS ALL HELL.
at least with this one you could take the reasons in which people have different realities off in many different directions
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same! completely disagreed;
use this quote by mary parker follet:
There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish.
kind of argued that we need to integrate and not compromise as we will compromise our morality, and not dominate either
mfw you did the whole of section B wrong, because the quote suggests no mutual agreement when two parties compromise.
and that's what it actually means.
enjoy your 0.
protip: get a better dictionary.
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I wrote some stupid letter about a whiny kid writing to her imaginary friend for Identity and Belonging.
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Identity and belonging promte was retarted, hated it.. just made a load of crap up about how i'm an orphan and how my freind is a relijious jew called david, and how he helps me and my connection to him and my friends is what keeps me going.//... ...
i thought the orphan idea will get me some remorse.:/
load of crap, absolutely untrue, stupid prompt, i hope vcaa goes to hell.
awomen.
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stupid whose reality, made my supposedly expository essay a persuasive one since it was so hard to say that the shared experiences can allow us to perceive things in the same way. what a dumb topic...
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The Whose Reality felt like it was designed for creative responses. Annoying for those who go for expository. In the end i discussed that while Blanche and Stanley shared the same environment (New Orleans) they still perceive different, i thought that worked to a degree. I am more concerned with my Stella and Stanley paragraph. Does anyone think that a marriage necessitates shared experiences? I pretty much discussed this for like a whole paragraph.
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Conflict ^^ I am so glad I bought the dictionary along! It didn't help in prac exams but sure did with the exam.
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okay for whose reality i wrote a piece that i had planned out and wrote a few times, exam comes and i did not consider the prompt i did not no how to change in in the time that i had, after the exam i figured out how to =.=
but i still wrote my pre memorised one, so if it was a good sophisocated piece, great control but it in no way adressed the prompt, what is the highest i am looking at, 6/10..?
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I thought the Whose Reality? prompt was fair, easier than some of the previous VCAA one imo. Most of my friends went with a straight expos piece, I went with a imag/expos hybrid myself.
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Really interesting in how a lot of people thought "Shared Experience," as an easy topic :) I must be a retard, nevertheless I wrote something :) even if it was scribble
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had conflict prompt.
2 paragraphs on najaf, one with his brother and the trade he choose, the other with the taliban.
Social parallels; kent state shootings in Ohio
mobarek not standing for elections
unity between catholics and muslims during egypt conflict
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bullshitted my way through conflict... :D i think i did okay...but if i were the assessors, i'd give it 0:(
It can't get a 0 if you've actually written something. My English teacher's an assessor and if you write three lines or a paragraph you get a 1 or a 2.
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Conflict was beautiful, compromise could be interpreted so many ways :)
What book did you use though? The prompt was absolutely horrendous for "The Crucible".
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okay for whose reality i wrote a piece that i had planned out and wrote a few times, exam comes and i did not consider the prompt i did not no how to change in in the time that i had, after the exam i figured out how to =.=
but i still wrote my pre memorised one, so if it was a good sophisocated piece, great control but it in no way adressed the prompt, what is the highest i am looking at, 6/10..?
All depends on your language. If you were addressing the prompt and getting really high 9's, almost 10s, you could possibly scrape a 7 because of your language
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Although the identity and belong prompt was rather vague, it seemed to be rather malleable to work into a creative piece. I did it in a dear diary format about this person who had just moved house and town... I can only remember one quote and it was:
"As I like to see it, life resembles a jigsaw in which we are all constantly attempting to find out place, trying again and again to work our where our piece fits. The only difference between me and 'them' is that I know where my piece belongs in this puzzle."
I just hope I manage to get a decent mark for the entire piece...
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I hate our school for not doing identity and belonging. I think it is the same every year. Also, encouraging conflict sucked. I had a list of 98 prompts and that wasn't one of them. Absolutely bullfighter my way through the whole essay. Hopefully 8/9