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General Discussion => General Discussion Boards => Other General Discussion => Topic started by: Surgeon on March 04, 2012, 07:50:08 pm
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Hey guys :)
I'm just wondering how much study everyone does. I would really appreciate it if you could post a typical study regime on a weekly basis and say how you're going marks wise.
For example,
I do a minimum of 1 hour of study for each of my 4 subjects (until I have atleast completed what I need to). I usually end up studying ahead of my class though so I usually study about 1.5 hours a night for each subject. Plus 1 hour of UMAT practice on Medentry. I do this on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday nights. Friday night I take off. Saturday and Sunday I study for a minimum of 2 hours for each subject plus an hour of UMAT practice on MedEntry.
I don't necessarily stop when I've done the set amount of work in hours, though. I do not stop unless I've covered everything I plan on covering in that session.
My main problem is procrastination and I find it difficult to sit down and study, completely focusing on the task at hand. I sometimes find myself on here or looking at funny picture sites like 9GAG lol.
I'm not doing as well as I would like to be doing in school, either.
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My main problem is procrastination and I find it difficult to sit down and study
Dude... if you're doing all that week throughout the week, you have no idea what procrastination is :P
What you're doing is fine, keep at it.
I'm not doing as well as I would like to be doing in school, either.
Maybe you're studying too much, don't forget the saying "Study smarter, not harder".
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Everyone has a different "study regime".
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That's considerably more than what I'm doing, but I guess we have different aims. Just don't push yourself too hard
I generally do about an hour before school, then about 2-3 hours after school Tuesday and Wednesday. Monday and Thursday I have work after school, so I probably do about 30mins at work if its not too busy, and maybe 1 hour afterwards. Fridays I only do the morning session, while on weekends I go for 3-4 hours a day.
Of coarse sometimes extra if I have SAC study, assignments (prac reports etc.) and sometimes less if I'm in a cbf mood. In fact my regime varies a bit.
I find I don't procrastinate much, unless its a piece of writing for English. Today for example, I've been sitting at my desk for 3 hours, all I've got to show for it is one and a half paragraphs...
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So Hopefulstudent, you study for minimum 4 hours a day?
I hardly study at the moment to be honest. I do maybe 1-2 hour a day, at most(mostly procastination though), it's hard to change since I've pretty much procrastinated throughout the holidays and first 5 weeks of school, so feeling very shit ATM, I'm always either tired or CBF studying. But I do complete the assigned homework tasks which not many people do @ my school.
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My main problem is procrastination and I find it difficult to sit down and study
Dude... if you're doing all that week throughout the week, you have no idea what procrastination is :P
What you're doing is fine, keep at it.
I'm not doing as well as I would like to be doing in school, either.
Maybe you're studying too much, don't forget the saying "Study smarter, not harder".
I find that I just can't fit as much sturdily as I would like into one day. I think I procrastinate because I'm studying too much and don't get enough sleep. I have no idea how to get the same amount of study done, if not more, in less time :|
Everyone has a different "study regime".
That is true and I do understand that, I'd just like to see how my fellow counterparts in year 12 are going about managing their time.
That's considerably more than what I'm doing, but I guess we have different aims. Just don't push yourself too hard
I generally do about an hour before school, then about 2-3 hours after school Tuesday and Wednesday. Monday and Thursday I have work after school, so I probably do about 30mins at work if its not too busy, and maybe 1 hour afterwards. Fridays I only do the morning session, while on weekends I go for 3-4 hours a day.
Of coarse sometimes extra if I have SAC study, assignments (prac reports etc.) and sometimes less if I'm in a cbf mood. In fact my regime varies a bit.
I find I don't procrastinate much, unless its a piece of writing for English. Today for example, I've been sitting at my desk for 3 hours, all I've got to show for it is one and a half paragraphs...
That's fair enough mate. I think I might need to cut down on somebody study so I can get a bit more study in and hopefully procrastinate less!
So Hopefulstudent, you study for minimum 4 hours a day?
I hardly study at the moment to be honest. I do maybe 1-2 hour a day, at most(mostly procastination though), it's hard to change since I've pretty much procrastinated throughout the holidays and first 5 weeks of school, so feeling very shit ATM, I'm always either tired or CBF studying. But I do complete the assigned homework tasks which not many people do @ my school.
Minimum of 5 hours a day if you count UMAT preparation as "studying", actually. I find that I am also very tired all the time though. I think I will completely plateau if I don't start getting more sleep.
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What exactly do you do when you study? Are you just completing the homework, revising, moving ahead, doing notes? I also think you should get more sleep, remember that sleep is vital in order to help you form the neural connections necessary to retain the information you are learning, so definitely increase the amount of sleep you get.
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What exactly do you do when you study? Are you just completing the homework, revising, moving ahead, doing notes? I also think you should get more sleep, remember that sleep is vital in order to help you form the neural connections necessary to retain the information you are learning, so definitely increase the amount of sleep you get.
For Methods: Questions.
Chemistry: Reading from a variety of sources and questions.
Business Management: Reading, making notes and questions if I have a SAC coming up soon.
English: Practice pieces :)
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On weekdays for me I do about 2-4 hours depending on the amount of SACs coming up. I take fridays off the majority of the time and on the weekends I try to get atleast 4 hours each day in, felt sick today though so have only done 1-2 hours :(.
And yes, I do procrastrinate a lot aswell but i'd rather procrastrinate for a bit when I get home and feel refreshed when I start studying compared to coming home, feeling terrible and hitting the books.
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I do tutoring pretty much every night, for atleast 2-3 hours. after i come home, i do about 2 hours solid, then go for a run.
on weekends i do atleast 7-8 hours, with breaks inbetween.
i take fridays off, but balance with sports, music and yea:)
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Study... Well seeing as i dont count homework as study, i do just about half an hour a week. Tutoring is about 8 hours a week.
This thread awoke me to the fact that im going to fail year 12 D:
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4 hours a day of study/hw at this time of the year is ridiculous and you will burn out. my suggestion is you aim for about 7-12 hours per week consistently throughout the year until about august. August should be 15-18 a week. Mid September - Finish should be 20-35 hours per week.
Dont burn out too early... and believe me 'burning out' is not a myth, you can't sustain that much effort forever
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Paul's Year 12 Survival Guide in 1000 Words :)
READ IT! :P
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Quick Question: How do you study SMARTER and not HARDER?
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Quick Question: How do you study SMARTER and not HARDER?
Base your study from the study design and not directly from the textbook (this will enormously help in uni too). And making notes in advance (and in class) helps too, use class-time wisely :)
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Quick Question: How do you study SMARTER and not HARDER?
Base your study from the study design and not directly from the textbook (this will enormously help in uni too). And making notes in advance (and in class) helps too, use class-time wisely :)
Does this apply to Methods and Chem?
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Quick Question: How do you study SMARTER and not HARDER?
Base your study from the study design and not directly from the textbook (this will enormously help in uni too). And making notes in advance (and in class) helps too, use class-time wisely :)
Does this apply to Methods and Chem?
More chem and science/hums subjects. With maths, things tend to be easier the more you know but with sciences, knowing too much may cause you to overcomplicate things and write answers out of the coursework (which is examined to be wrong in some cases).
edit: just my opinion though, I know of some who would disagree with me :)
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I think applies to all subjects not just chem and methods, just my opinion.
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In terms of chemistry and methods, doing every question isn't important if you know how to do them. Repeating an equilibrium constant question rephrased in 10 different ways is pointless if you nailed it the first time.
Then again, I do tend to rationalize my laziness so take it with a grain of salt. But imo, master it the first time and don't need to repeat dozens of questions
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In terms of studying, I've realised that what I was doing before was not enough.
These days, I study from 5pm to 6:30pm, then 7pm to 8pm, then 8:30pm to 1am.
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^That's a lot of study :O
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^That's a lot of study :O
I've got to make up for my mediocre study scores from year eleven :(
Like you said.. I'll get a 50 "when I earn it".
Really working hard towards 50 in English and Business Management, 45 in Chemistry, 40 in Methods and 95th< percentile in UMAT. 1 hour a day is dedicated to UMAT on weekdays. 2-3 hours on weekends.
Really hoping all of this hard work pays off.
I need two short blacks every day to function haha.
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Hmmm, personally, I don't think I know anyone who worked that hard at this stage in the year. But then again, everyone studies differently :) Although one bad SS means nothing btw, as long as it looks bad in comparison to your other ones at the end :P
Just thinking though, is the 8.30pm-1am sesh needed? You need to sleep too haha
Just make sure you don't burn out, I've seen it happen to people who worked half as many hours, and it probably cost them their first preference (which was usually med coincidentally). Keep that in mind.
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Hmmm, personally, I don't think I know anyone who worked that hard at this stage in the year. But then again, everyone studies differently :) Although one bad SS means nothing btw, as long as it looks bad in comparison to your other ones at the end :P
Just thinking though, is the 8.30pm-1am sesh needed? You need to sleep too haha
Just make sure you don't burn out, I've seen it happen to people who worked half as many hours, and it probably cost them their first preference (which was usually med coincidentally). Keep that in mind.
To be frank, I don't know how much longer I can keep this up for. I haven't felt completely fresh and rejuvenated since last holidays :/ I can't see how ekse I can stay on too of things though. I find that even with all of this studying, I'm still not doing that well. I'm afraid of birninh out but I'm even more afraid of failure..
Oh and I did two 3/4s last year. Both went very pear-shaped.
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Surgeon, drink V...lots of it :P
I studied very weird times last year cause of my sleeping patterns, like usually 10pm - 2.30am time, even now I still do, mind you, I get distracted easily, usually skyping when studying :P
But take a V, you feel great :P
Quick Question: How do you study SMARTER and not HARDER?
Exactly what Russ said, if you can do something, don't bother doing it, why do a question you know you can do, why bother learning something you already learnt before, it's about using the time you have on things which you don't know. It's also knowing what your weaknesses are. If you're theory-strong but you make a lot of silly mistakes, spending time learning the theory again and again isn't going to make you improve.
Also, VegemitePi/pi - whoever you are :P - do you really think writing notes is helpful? I've just never written notes, like ever :P haha!
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Surgeon, you're probably not getting enough sleep! You'll function better if you sleep more.
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If youre studying 7 hours a day and sacrificing sleep to do it then:
1. There's a fundamental problem with how you're studying. You don't need to study that much. I don't know what exactly you're doing, but I very strongly suspect its suboptimal.
2. Stop it. If you're saying its still not enough and you're down to 6 hours of sleep a night, you'll burn out way too quickly. Studying odd hours is one thing, but constant work from dinner to 1am at the expense of rems is bad.
The fact that you're losing sleep, still not achieving your academic results and relying on caffeine to function are warning signs you should be considering.
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Surgeon, drink V...lots of it :P
I studied very weird times last year cause of my sleeping patterns, like usually 10pm - 2.30am time, even now I still do, mind you, I get distracted easily, usually skyping when studying :P
But take a V, you feel great :P
Quick Question: How do you study SMARTER and not HARDER?
Exactly what Russ said, if you can do something, don't bother doing it, why do a question you know you can do, why bother learning something you already learnt before, it's about using the time you have on things which you don't know. It's also knowing what your weaknesses are. If you're theory-strong but you make a lot of silly mistakes, spending time learning the theory again and again isn't going to make you improve.
Also, VegemitePi/Pi - whoever you are :P - do you really think writing notes is helpful? I've just never written notes, like ever :P haha!
I think writing notes is important but it is dependent on the person.
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Hey surgeon, you know how you said you spend 2-3 hours on weekends studying for UMAT...
* do you use medentry?
* if so, what do you actually do on it in that time - the drills, Eureka questions...?
I use medentry, but I'll be giving my UMAT next year:)
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I'm so deathly tired all the time. I'm considering just giving up on Year 12 but I'm just being delusional and outrageous...
Yeah I do Medentry question bank, drills and exams.
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Did you read the bit about not doing 7 hours of study a night and burning yourself out since you feel so tired?
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Yep:
^That's a lot of study :O
Surgeon, you're probably not getting enough sleep! You'll function better if you sleep more.
Hmmm, personally, I don't think I know anyone who worked that hard at this stage in the year. But then again, everyone studies differently :) Although one bad SS means nothing btw, as long as it looks bad in comparison to your other ones at the end :P
Just thinking though, is the 8.30pm-1am sesh needed? You need to sleep too haha
Just make sure you don't burn out, I've seen it happen to people who worked half as many hours, and it probably cost them their first preference (which was usually med coincidentally). Keep that in mind.
If youre studying 7 hours a day and sacrificing sleep to do it then:
1. There's a fundamental problem with how you're studying. You don't need to study that much. I don't know what exactly you're doing, but I very strongly suspect its suboptimal.
2. Stop it. If you're saying its still not enough and you're down to 6 hours of sleep a night, you'll burn out way too quickly. Studying odd hours is one thing, but constant work from dinner to 1am at the expense of rems is bad.
The fact that you're losing sleep, still not achieving your academic results and relying on caffeine to function are warning signs you should be considering.
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Did you read the bit about not doing 7 hours of study a night and burning yourself out since you feel so tired?
Oh wow. I'm sorry - I missed that! Thanks so much for the reply.
Well I think I may have been misunderstood when I said I'm "not doings that well".
I'm rank 1 in Chemistry, English and Methods thus far in my cohort.
Ranked in the top few for business management.
Doing well I suppose but not as well as I would like to be doing.
I don't see how I can rest more and uphold these standards of get even better.
I'm all ears if someone else has a solution.
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Out of curiosity, how do you study?
Do you have facebook, ATARNotes, MSN, Skype, etc. open/accessible when studying? (eg. like now, as this is part of the 8.30pm-1am slot)?
Is so, then you are wasting a lot of time. Study smart, don't study heaps. If you put in 2-3 of hours of solid study with no distractions, you'll probably be doing the same as 7 hours with multiple distractions.
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Out of curiosity, how do you study?
Do you have facebook, ATARNotes, MSN, Skype, etc. open/accessible when studying? (eg. like now, as this is part of the 8.30pm-1am slot)?
Is so, then you are wasting a lot of time. Study smart, don't study heaps. If you put in 2-3 of hours of solid study with no distractions, you'll probably be doing the same as 7 hours with multiple distractions.
I usually have no distractions whatsoever. If I'm expecting replies on ATARNotes, I try to check periodically whenever I'm stuck on a question or just need to take a breather for a minute.
I guess I'm just a slow learner.
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7 hours with multiple distractions.
ie. Me haha. My study habits are woeful.
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Out of curiosity, how do you study?
Do you have facebook, ATARNotes, MSN, Skype, etc. open/accessible when studying? (eg. like now, as this is part of the 8.30pm-1am slot)?
Is so, then you are wasting a lot of time. Study smart, don't study heaps. If you put in 2-3 of hours of solid study with no distractions, you'll probably be doing the same as 7 hours with multiple distractions.
I usually have no distractions whatsoever. If I'm expecting replies on ATARNotes, I try to check periodically whenever I'm stuck on a question or just need to take a breather for a minute.
I guess I'm just a slow learner.
Do you have any free sessions at school? Maybe write a schedule for the day of what you want to do. Its ok to postpone a few things every once in a while, for example on a friday to the weekend.
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Hey guys :)
I'm just wondering how much study everyone does. I would really appreciate it if you could post a typical study regime on a weekly basis and say how you're going marks wise.
For example,
I do a minimum of 1 hour of study for each of my 4 subjects (until I have atleast completed what I need to). I usually end up studying ahead of my class though so I usually study about 1.5 hours a night for each subject. Plus 1 hour of UMAT practice on Medentry. I do this on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday nights. Friday night I take off. Saturday and Sunday I study for a minimum of 2 hours for each subject plus an hour of UMAT practice on MedEntry.
I don't necessarily stop when I've done the set amount of work in hours, though. I do not stop unless I've covered everything I plan on covering in that session.
My main problem is procrastination and I find it difficult to sit down and study, completely focusing on the task at hand. I sometimes find myself on here or looking at funny picture sites like 9GAG lol.
I'm not doing as well as I would like to be doing in school, either.
don't worry man, using atarnotes alone should get you on the way, plus your at haileybury so .... - just go to as many of the earliest exam prep lectures that you can, theyre probs the best way to get you a head start. And btw, if the procrastination doesnt fark you this year, it will in uni lol
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Out of curiosity, how do you study?
Do you have facebook, ATARNotes, MSN, Skype, etc. open/accessible when studying? (eg. like now, as this is part of the 8.30pm-1am slot)?
Is so, then you are wasting a lot of time. Study smart, don't study heaps. If you put in 2-3 of hours of solid study with no distractions, you'll probably be doing the same as 7 hours with multiple distractions.
Study sessions on Skype are actually pretty good, like video call someone else who is studying as well, and sure, you'll waste a bit more time, but it's actually quite fun, you'll end up laughing at eachother studying and you'll end up learning a lot just trying to explain things to eachother...etc.
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Out of curiosity, how do you study?
Do you have facebook, ATARNotes, MSN, Skype, etc. open/accessible when studying? (eg. like now, as this is part of the 8.30pm-1am slot)?
Is so, then you are wasting a lot of time. Study smart, don't study heaps. If you put in 2-3 of hours of solid study with no distractions, you'll probably be doing the same as 7 hours with multiple distractions.
Study sessions on Skype are actually pretty good, like video call someone else who is studying as well, and sure, you'll waste a bit more time, but it's actually quite fun, you'll end up laughing at eachother studying and you'll end up learning a lot just trying to explain things to eachother...etc.
Haha, I meant Skype in a social sense, as a form as procrastination rather than productiveness
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Skype is great for tutoring, too.
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If youre studying 7 hours a day and sacrificing sleep to do it then:
1. There's a fundamental problem with how you're studying. You don't need to study that much. I don't know what exactly you're doing, but I very strongly suspect its suboptimal.
2. Stop it. If you're saying its still not enough and you're down to 6 hours of sleep a night, you'll burn out way too quickly. Studying odd hours is one thing, but constant work from dinner to 1am at the expense of rems is bad.
The fact that you're losing sleep, still not achieving your academic results and relying on caffeine to function are warning signs you should be considering.
Not that it's advisable, but I've survived on nocturnal sleep pattern of 6 hrs sleep/night (4am-10am) + copious amounts of caffeine.. for 3 years :P
Of course, I don't spend the whole time studying/working, but I don't think I perform any worse in my current state compared to when I used to get 9hrs/night. I think it's more important to strike a mental balance in this case.
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Yeah couple of things.
Firstly, you can dose up with caffeine to try and compensate but that's not good long term even if it does get you through the day.
You do perform worse with less sleep even if you don't notice it. There was a cool study done that demonstrated that reduced sleep (below six hours a night) for a few nights in a row was the same as being at 0.05 BAC. There's also other research data that shows that people acclimatize to sleep impairment, so you might be sleeping less but you'll feel like you're getting enough.
~~below here is procrastination research i did~~
Anyway, here's a clipping from a study that summarizes it quite well:
Recent experiments reveal that following days of chronic restriction of sleep duration below 7 hours per night, significant daytime cognitive dysfunction accumulates to levels comparable to that found after severe acute total sleep deprivation.
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A causal role for reduced sleep duration in adverse health outcomes remains unclear, but laboratory studies of healthy adults subjected to sleep restriction have found adverse effects on endocrine functions, metabolic and inflammatory responses, suggesting that sleep restriction produces physiological consequences that may be unhealthy.
And a pic:
(http://i.imgur.com/Qa2kY.jpg)
TIB just refers to Time In Bed, so you can see that less sleep made you progressively less attentive and capable at performing tasks but after weeks of it you didn't feel much different to the start.
J Clin Sleep Med. 2007 August 15; 3(5): 519–528. if relevant
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There was a cool study done that demonstrated that reduced sleep (below six hours a night) for a few nights in a row was the same as being at 0.05 BAC.
Ha! But what if you are sleep deprived and are at 0.05 BAC all the time? :P
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They'd cancel each other out, obviously, and you'd be totally fine!
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What do you guys think about the "Uberman" sleeping method? In case anyone is not familiar, you take six half an hour naps throughout the day and this is your sleep.
I think it relies on the idea that for the half hour you sleep at a time, you'll be in REM stage of sleep. In 8 hours, we are generally only in REM for about 2 hours so the six hours left over doesn't particularly benefit us in terms of rejuvenation.
That makes approximately 3 hours a day of REM sleep, potentially more REM sleep than someone who sleeps 8 hours at a time.
I'm not going to risk it nd try to implement such a sleeping pattern during year 12 but I'll definitely experiment during uni haha.
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You still wouldn't have enough NREM though, even if you did get REM through that method. NREM deprivation is even less desireable than REM deprivation because it is necessary for the proper functioning of your body. It's responsible for maintaining your immune system for example.
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I've recently looked into that but i don't think it will fit into most ppl's schedules so it will be hard. I know someone who has started it and is probably a month or so in and they reckon that it's awesome. The first few days to couple of weeks will be hell, but once you get use to it it is unbelievably good! The downside is that you have to keep to the sleeping schedule if you miss out by 10-15 minutes you will feel exhausted and pretty much dead for a day. lol
There are a few variations of sleeping patterns so i guess you could find one to suit yourself, but i wouldn't risk doing this during year 12 hahah
I might give it a go during the holidays...
You still wouldn't have enough NREM though, even if you did get REM through that method. NREM deprivation is even less desireable than REM deprivation because it is necessary for the proper functioning of your body. It's responsible for maintaining your immune system for example.
From what i've researched, most people find that your bodily function is greater than normal and you won't feel sleep deprived at all since you're essentially tricking your brain into thinking that you're getting more than enough sleep as you only need the x amount of REM sleep.
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Have a read of people's experiences. I believe the general consensus has been pretty much "society is not polyphasic, I can't hold up a normal job with this kind of sleeping pattern". (Because you're fucked if you miss your sleeps by too much)
http://www.xeeban.com/xeeban/archives/000003.html
http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/10/polyphasic-sleep/
http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=892542
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/4/15/103358/720
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From what i've researched, most people find that your bodily function is greater than normal and you won't feel sleep deprived at all since you're essentially tricking your brain into thinking that you're getting more than enough sleep as you only need the x amount of REM sleep.
What do you mean "only need the x amount of REM sleep"? You need some NREM sleep (or at least some of the stages of NREM sleep).
Anyway
Ultraman/polyphasic sleep always gets mentioned now and again, and I have never seen evidence that it is better or as efficient as the typical sleep pattern. On the contrary, the guy who sparked the whole debate by doing polyphasic sleep research specifically said that it shouldn't replace normal sleep under normal conditions, but that in periods of extreme sleep deprivation it was more suited than monophasic sleep. I suspect this is because with multiple short naps you're getting compression of the sleep cycle to provide the most benefit (also because prolonged sleep deprivation is normally shift work, where you can't sleep for 8+ hours)
There's suggestion that you can use polyphasic sleep under normal conditions because you're essentially sleeping just enough to power a few hours of wakefulness and then sleeping again (which is why missing a nap is so bad). So there isn't really a change in your day to day life, other than the need to nap every few hours. Unfortunately, missing key elements of sleep is probably bad for you. We know/suspect that missing deep sleep impacts on various things (immune competence, hypertension etc.) and also probably messes with your brain chemistry.
Sure, you can function on it, but then you have to decide whether the trade off is worth it.
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Lol i don't know much about sleeping patterns and the specifics xD i just said x amount of REM cos that's all i can remember from what i've read rofl.
All i was trying to say is that it can be done and you won't know the benefits/side effects till you try.
OP don't do this in year 12. :P
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Why is it that when I got to bed at 12.00am and wake up at 8.00am, i feel a shit load better than going to bed at 3.00am and waking up at 11.00am, same amount of sleep?
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Probably because your circadian rhythm is set to that time/your brain's body clock triggers at certain times? So when you push past it to stay awake it doesn't like it and starts resetting to an awake schedule, which you then interrupt? Not 100% sure, I hate the brain >.<
All i was trying to say is that it can be done and you won't know the benefits/side effects till you try.
Doesn't mean it's a good idea though.
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My study routine is pretty bad... this is it:
Monday to Friday - Too tired to do any homework. Play games instead.
Saturday and most of Sunday - Procrastinate too much.
Sunday night - Cram about 3-4 hours of homework in (or sometimes just give up and go to bed, knowing that I've done nothing the entire weekend).
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Why is it that when I got to bed at 12.00am and wake up at 8.00am, i feel a shit load better than going to bed at 3.00am and waking up at 11.00am, same amount of sleep?
One theory would suggest it's because there is generally more deep NREM sleep earlier in the night and less in cycles towards the morning, so sleep at 12:00am will be more rejuvenating than at 3:00am. (Assuming this hasn't been mentioned already in this thread)
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My study routine is pretty bad... this is it:
Monday to Friday - Too tired to do any homework. Play games instead.
Saturday and most of Sunday - Procrastinate too much.
Sunday night - Cram about 3-4 hours of homework in (or sometimes just give up and go to bed, knowing that I've done nothing the entire weekend).
How are you going with your studies though? I'm assuming your one of those who are naturally smart. :)
I can relate to what you have said btw! But I don't find any interest in games. I like to watch YouTube atheism vs theism debates lol and another interesting shit like that.
off tangent soz
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I'll let you off, just this one time. Only because you attend the "Wadiya School of Islamic Science" haha!
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My study routine is pretty bad... this is it:
Monday to Friday - Too tired to do any homework. Play games instead.
Saturday and most of Sunday - Procrastinate too much.
Sunday night - Cram about 3-4 hours of homework in (or sometimes just give up and go to bed, knowing that I've done nothing the entire weekend).
How are you going with your studies though? I'm assuming your one of those who are naturally smart. :)
I can relate to what you have said btw! But I don't find any interest in games. I like to watch YouTube atheism vs theism debates lol and another interesting shit like that.
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Haha I do that as well :)
My natural intelligence has helped me a bit but it's not enough for VCE... I'm expecting an ATAR between 90 and 95. It's only really maths that I'm good at. I can imagine how horrible my ATAR might be if I wasn't doing any maths subjects...
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does anyone have any sacs next week? If so are you planning on concentrating on them or your midyear's study.
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does anyone have any sacs next week? If so are you planning on concentrating on them or your midyear's study.
No brainer really, Midyears > sacs (unless it's english, always study for english.... - unless you're a freak at it)
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Or if you have a folio of some sort due...
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does anyone have any sacs next week? If so are you planning on concentrating on them or your midyear's study.
No brainer really, Midyears > sacs (unless it's english, always study for english.... - unless you're a freak at it)
So youre saying English sac > midyears? Or do you mean english is the only subject you would study for during exam study
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An English SAC might be worth 20% of Unit 3 which is worth 25% of your study score. Effectively, one English SAC may be worth 5% of your study score.
The Chemistry exam for example is worth 33% of your final study score.
There's a pretty monumental difference.
I don't think you should completely disregard SACs in favour of mid year exams but you need to strike up a mutually equitable split.
Ofcourse, you would study more for your mid year exam.
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you could surely set aside 30mins-1hr for SAC study
you'd also get bored of studying the same sub (well i do anyway)
anyways i disregarded SACs comepletely whenit came to midyears, i regret it
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Ideally you should start preparation for exams much before the date, so that this isn't a problem.
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does anyone have any sacs next week? If so are you planning on concentrating on them or your midyear's study.
No brainer really, Midyears > sacs (unless it's english, always study for english.... - unless you're a freak at it)
So youre saying English sac > midyears? Or do you mean english is the only subject you would study for during exam study
Yeah the latter, i wouldn't worry too much about sacs for other subjects. But they're important for english, so make sure you spend a little bit of time on it.
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But then again English is the only subject where you can get perfect marks without doing any work (except reading/seeing the texts for the Text Response) :p
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But then again English is the only subject where you can get perfect marks without doing any work (except reading/seeing the texts for the Text Response) :p
Lol wasnt for me... Had to bust my guts out to get an A :P
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I know what you mean - I put hours of work into Methods for pretty sub-standard results. Frustrating!
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But then again English is the only subject where you can get perfect marks without doing any work (except reading/seeing the texts for the Text Response) :p
.... How? ???
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I dunno, I've managed it this year. Although the English cohort at my school is rather weak, so I'm probably just lucky...
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^ He's being modest. Our English cohort is a cohort that puts out like fifty 40+ study scores every year.
He's a beast at English (top English student at GWSC), and his 2 perfect SAC scores (with a third incoming in Lang Anal) clearly illustrates this.
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We had eight scores of 45 or above last year, from a cohort of 240+ :p
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LOL, gotta love/hate modesty sometimes :P
We had eight scores of 45 or above last year, from a cohort of 240+ :p
MHS had like 12 scores or something above 45... :P
Any school with 40+ 40+ scores (lol) in english is a strong one.
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Modesty is a foreign concept to me, as anyone who knows me will tell you :p
That may be the case in terms of marks but reading some of the essays which my very intelligent peers put out at school doesn't really inspire confidence. I genuinely have no idea how there can, across the state, be so many very capable high school students who struggle with VCE English.
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Our English cohort is a cohort that puts out like fifty 40+ study scores every year.
Hahaha, ummm, sorry to burst your bubble, but no we don't :P
It's closer to around 25 study scores above 40 :P
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0ArXq6jGEiIiRdGNGelRsT2ZzNnZlcnRwckx4WVZocUE&type=view&gid=0&f=true&colid0=3&filterstr0=Glen%20Waverley%20Secondary%20College&colid1=4&filterstr1=English&sortcolid=-1&sortasc=true&rowsperpage=360
41 people :)
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It was only 32 in 2010 as well, including two 50s!
That being said, we generally do very well in ESL :p
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Yeah we usually get 50s every year sept for last year cos the exam was harder
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We had one last year.
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We had a 50 last year - and getting 50s has nothing to do with how hard the exam is - if it's hard, it's hard for everyone really.
But wow, I didn't realise that 25 people got 40 and 41 - that's a lot!! D:
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Still looks like a cohort that is far from 'weak' imo.
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We had one last year.
I meant our ESL cohort haha.
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I think we got a 48 in ESL last year, but we always do well in ESL as well - mostly because most of our ESL kids are very good at english :P
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50 from Choong in ESL this year?
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Yeah the highest score was a 48 according to my teacher. She said she usually gets a 50 from her class, and I believe that burden is on me this year :(
Truth is I probably won't come close to a 50 because I didn't do too well on my oral (29/35) but I'm aiming for a 45+ hopefully.
Unlike you, I actually have to put in work for English :p Probably the subject I've put the most effort in this year, along with Chemistry.
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Wow it looks like GWSC has a stronger cohort then Haileybury...
So much for ~25k a year :/
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LOL, gotta love/hate modesty sometimes :P
We had eight scores of 45 or above last year, from a cohort of 240+ :p
MHS had like 12 scores or something above 45... :P
Any school with 40+ 40+ scores (lol) in english is a strong one.
only 12 :O ?
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LOL, gotta love/hate modesty sometimes :P
We had eight scores of 45 or above last year, from a cohort of 240+ :p
MHS had like 12 scores or something above 45... :P
Any school with 40+ 40+ scores (lol) in english is a strong one.
only 12 :O ?
Yeah, but the sentence I made was shifty, we had like another 12 who got 45 and many more in the 40-44 range :P
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was your cohort relatively weak at eng ? (for MHS cohort)
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was your cohort relatively weak at eng ? (for MHS cohort)
I'd say it was around average for MHS, having said that my cohort was over-rated as we were predicted to do really awesome (in comparison to the 2010 cohort) but I guess the extra 40 yr12s we had must have had a bad exam week :(
A few people who everyone expected to get 40+ didn't make it though, which was odd.
edit: on a side note, I think Mac.Rob and MGS have the strongest english cohorts in the state for those curious
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You still had 123 40+ scores! That's freakish!
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Yeah, but we're a selective school though (with a very good GAT) :P That's expected. Generally if you're in the top 7 in our English class you should be in line for 40+ raw.
We're (and Mac.Rob for that matter) still now way near the NSW selective schools (like James Ruse which has a median atar of like 99.35 or something ridiculous like that) :(
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99.35, woah! Reflection of the school or the students?
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99.35, woah! Reflection of the school or the students?
Reflection of the success of private tutoring to students of a school that is actually 95% Asian/Indian/Lankan :P
I'm sure the school is decent too, but from friends who went there, everyone does tutoring.
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Hahaha :p But the same could be said about Melbourne schools, almost everyone at GWSC has tutors for the majority of their subjects.
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Your ATAR is not a function of the school you go to nor is it a function of the amount and time you spend on tuition.
The truth is, much of what happens in year 12 is a product of your own effort, time and work ethic and I can assure you it doesn't matter whether you go to the best school in the world or you spend thousands of dollars on tuition, unless you make the most of it, and the only way you can make the most of it is to put in individual time and effort looking at what you need to know and how best to learn then, then using the resources you have around you.
In the end, the fact that you go to a good school and the fact that you get private tuition are just resources that you have at your disposal. Those who don't go to a good school or who don't get private tuition can find different resources in different ways - such as books, study groups...etc. It doesn't mean that just because you go to a bad school you are doomed, neither does it mean that if you go to a good school you will succeed.
Just to put it into perspective, a student from St. Albans Secondary got 99.95 last year, a school which is quite low on the food chain, whereas I'm sure there are kids from MHS and other top tier private schools getting in the 60s.
Hahaha :p But the same could be said about Melbourne schools, almost everyone at GWSC has tutors for the majority of their subjects.
Not true - I didn't get tutored, apart from a few sessions in English and I know a lot of other people I can name that didn't get tuition either.
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Perhaps it's just this year?
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Hahaha :p But the same could be said about Melbourne schools, almost everyone at GWSC has tutors for the majority of their subjects.
Not true - I didn't get tutored, apart from a few sessions in English and I know a lot of other people I can name that didn't get tuition either.
Um, I heard you were at Jack's tutoring??
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i reckon this year's MHS cohort is amazing. There's been so many 48 + scores (after scaling) from average / decent students from last year
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Um, I heard you were at Jack's tutoring??
I went to a few classes because a friend of mine wanted me to come and so I could scab his notes - which are really good! :P
But it wasn't really for the tuition :P
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i reckon this year's MHS cohort is amazing. There's been so many 48 + scores (after scaling) from average / decent students from last year
Nice! I hope we lift our game this year! :D
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was your cohort relatively weak at eng ? (for MHS cohort)
I'd say it was around average for MHS, having said that my cohort was over-rated as we were predicted to do really awesome (in comparison to the 2010 cohort) but I guess the extra 40 yr12s we had must have had a bad exam week :(
A few people who everyone expected to get 40+ didn't make it though, which was odd.
edit: on a side note, I think Mac.Rob and MGS have the strongest english cohorts in the state for those curious
One of the teachers said the English median at MHS for 2011 was 39...so in other words, if you got an average of B+s on your SACs at MHS, it was still possible to get over 40.
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Wow it looks like GWSC has a stronger cohort then Haileybury...
So much for ~25k a year :/
Holy shit 25k a year.. I feel sorry for the kids who get shitty atars there.
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I'm pretty sure private schooling is about more than just getting a high ATAR. In fact all schooling is, but I'd say the major benefits of private schools aren't associated with academic brilliance, which can be achieved anywhere.
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I'm pretty sure private schooling is about more than just getting a high ATAR. In fact all schooling is, but I'd say the major benefits of private schools aren't associated with academic brilliance, which can be achieved anywhere.
Academic brilliance is one of the reasons why people go to private schools, if not the main reason
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I disagree the school that you go to does matter. I think the most of the people on this forum just assume that its not that big of a deal when they went to the some of the best schools in the state.. the environment and students attitude to education can have a great impact on your ability to learn at school. It is much easier to go to a school where people want to be there. I go to one of the bottom top 4 schools in the state ranked 477 or so.. my friends sis worked her ass off 6 hr a day for a 85 atar she duxed the school..but her atar would be considered mediocre at some of the top schools.. just saying. I'm not complaining though since I've meet great people here.
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Going to Haileybury, a school that is perceived to be quite prestigious and expensive by society at large, I see what actually happens.
I personally know quite a few people who have already graduated, are in Year 12 this year and even people who are in Year 11 this year that couldn't care less about their education and have intended to go into a trade for several years.
How do you explain their presence in a school that people go to for academic excellence?
Their parents can obviously afford it and have decided that they want their child(ren) to be Haileyburians. The connections you could potentially make alone, are very enticing.
I know many people who are destined to achieve great things in a wide variety of areas, whether it be academia or sports.
Hence: Many people also send their children to top-tier private schools for the connections.
I, for example, hope to send my child(ren) to La Rosey. The likelihood of it happening is quite low but nevertheless, I'd like to be able to provide them with that.
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I believe it is the confidence which Private Schools seem to offer. They give students an assurance that they may do well. Hence they tend to do better than Public Schools Pupils.However this is all up to the individual and their traits. Some people may have better critical analysis skills than others.
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I'm pretty sure private schooling is about more than just getting a high ATAR. In fact all schooling is, but I'd say the major benefits of private schools aren't associated with academic brilliance, which can be achieved anywhere.
Academic brilliance is one of the reasons why people go to private schools, if not the main reason
I'm not saying that it's not important, or that it doesn't help someone achieve academically, but I honestly can't believe that anyone would spend $25K a year for no other reason than to get a high ATAR.
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I personally know quite a few people who have already graduated, are in Year 12 this year and even people who are in Year 11 this year that couldn't care less about their education and have intended to go into a trade for several years.
How do you explain their presence in a school that people go to for academic excellence?
Their parents can obviously afford it and have decided that they want their child(ren) to be Haileyburians. The connections you could potentially make alone, are very enticing.
What do you mean by connections?
I'm not saying that it's not important, or that it doesn't help someone achieve academically, but I honestly can't believe that anyone would spend $25K a year for no other reason than to get a high ATAR.
I disagree, there are many people out there who are willing to pay any price to get a high ATAR or get into a specific course at a specific university. In the end, I do agree that there are many reasons why parents send their kids to private schools, but I still think the underlying and most important reason is to get a high ATAR.
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^i would say "high quality education" is the most important reason -> not synonymous with a "high ATAR"
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I personally know quite a few people who have already graduated, are in Year 12 this year and even people who are in Year 11 this year that couldn't care less about their education and have intended to go into a trade for several years.
How do you explain their presence in a school that people go to for academic excellence?
Their parents can obviously afford it and have decided that they want their child(ren) to be Haileyburians. The connections you could potentially make alone, are very enticing.
What do you mean by connections?
Through things like Old Boys Clubs and things, connections can be made that are helpful for future careers.
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I personally know quite a few people who have already graduated, are in Year 12 this year and even people who are in Year 11 this year that couldn't care less about their education and have intended to go into a trade for several years.
How do you explain their presence in a school that people go to for academic excellence?
Their parents can obviously afford it and have decided that they want their child(ren) to be Haileyburians. The connections you could potentially make alone, are very enticing.
What do you mean by connections?
Through things like Old Boys Clubs and things, connections can be made that are helpful for future careers.
Precisely.
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High school doesn't only provide opportunity for further education, it sets grounds for morals, respect, confidence etc. In comparison to other schools, the higher the quality of a school could potentially create a higher quality citizen when they graduate.
This isn't true in all cases, but surely that's another factor of why people would be placed in a prestigious private school. They have a reputation for hosting the best pupils.
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Ok, since this discussion has sorta been restarted, I was thinking about this and was wondering what you guys thought about it. Sure private schools may give higher quality education, but do you think private schools shelter students too much from the real world?
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lol
MHS probably does
How so?
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I think the "real world" exposure in a high school is going to be negligible between private/public when compared to the "real world" exposure in the home environment...
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Yeah, that's what I was trying to get at before, the fact that it doesn't represent an accurate snapshot of society. In some ways, I guess MHS/Private Schools have that "groomed for success" sort of feel about them.
I went to a good local public school, the environment was friendly as well, and of course there was no bullying, but there were the occasional fights and stuff, but generally it was amicable as well, but it's a different environment because not so many people cared so much about success, there were heaps of people who didn't (which isn't a bad thing). But apart from that it was a much more diverse cohort then I guess what you would find at MHS or private schools. The cohort as well balanced, many different people from different backgrounds, people who were high achievers, people who were lower achievers, people who had very different aspirations (unlike at MHS, where you mention most people have similar aspirations).
In some ways I think that this difference is a good thing, it's more in tune with what society is like as a whole.
I think the "real world" exposure in a high school is going to be negligible between private/public when compared to the "real world" exposure in the home environment...
What do you mean by the home environment, could you expand?
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If you're elite upper class and you have two holidays a year plus a mansion and a regular cleaner etc. then you're going to develop with different real world exposure than the other end of the spectrum
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Yeah of course that's true, but school plays a big part in it as well, considering we spend about 7 hours at school every day from about the age of 5 till the age of 17-18.
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I don't think the difference between private/public in terms of 'real world' exposure is a fraction of what they'll get at home though, so time spent there is kinda meh
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Yeah, that's what I was trying to get at before, the fact that it doesn't represent an accurate snapshot of society. In some ways, I guess MHS/Private Schools have that "groomed for success" sort of feel about them.
I went to a good local public school, the environment was friendly as well, and of course there was no bullying, but there were the occasional fights and stuff, but generally it was amicable as well, but it's a different environment because not so many people cared so much about success, there were heaps of people who didn't (which isn't a bad thing). But apart from that it was a much more diverse cohort then I guess what you would find at MHS or private schools. The cohort as well balanced, many different people from different backgrounds, people who were high achievers, people who were lower achievers, people who had very different aspirations (unlike at MHS, where you mention most people have similar aspirations).
About no bullying, you are right. I dont see any at my school haha :P
But at a good local public school, "not so many people cared so much about success"? It depends. Because its a good school so there are many great students and they do care about success. At first, I didnt feel that and so enjoyed the friendliness then when my friends always ask about my SAC scores, I feel a bit annoyed. I studied at a private school before and it never happened to me. Especially in my Spesh class, they are really competitive and even care a single mark! The top students always wanna get full marks and they become upset if they get A+ but not 100%. I'm not as good as them so I feel less resentful lol. Not sure about MHS because I dont study there haha but yeah, the better schools you go, the more competitive