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General Discussion => General Discussion Boards => News and Politics => Topic started by: MJRomeo81 on May 17, 2012, 09:35:48 am
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http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/school-failed-to-get-me-into-law-20120516-1yrcb.html
What the hell is wrong with people today.
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Hahahahahahaha
What a ridiculous waste of time.
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That'll impress the law school for sure
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Had a good chuckle in my lecture this morning.
Classic.
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Going to sue MHS for failing to get me into Medicine.
I don't want to do Medicine, but they failed to get me into it regardless.
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(http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/1111/nice-try-sammiches-not-being-made-wtf-demotivational-posters-1322473576.jpeg)
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Great. Now I have an avenue to sue uni if I don't get a job, a wife, mansion in Toorak, smart and beautiful children and orgasmic sex.
Oh, and while I'm at it, might as well sue the world for world poverty.
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Great. Now I have an avenue to sue uni if I don't get a job, a wife, mansion in Toorak, smart and beautiful children and orgasmic sex.
Oh, and while I'm at it, might as well sue the world for world poverty.
May as well add god on to your list.
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Im gonna go ahead
and play devil's advocate here.
lol jks just love my puns
cos its about law school and she did maths for 1 of her subs.
note: Puns in bold <--- visual pun? I'm Nacho
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how is the school responsible for her not getting into law, she didn't even attend the school when she was in year 12
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We brought this up during one of the lectures today, what a joke haha. I can't believe she thinks she's got a valid case against the school. If anything, it's her Glandular fever that was the issue.
Loving the law memes coming through though!
eg.
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:D
Im gonna go ahead
and play devil's advocate here.
lol jks just love my puns
cos its about law school and she did maths for 1 of her subs.
note: Puns in bold <--- visual pun? I'm Nacho
I don't get this?
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A school has obligations and there's reason to believe that if you're paying large fees you might expect special help or a tailored program. Independent of the media beatup, there are legit reasons to criticize the school
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Hahaha oh my god https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=128158733986938&set=a.102353576567454.1318.102351793234299&type=1
Law School Memes
Hey everyone- you may have noticed late last night Law School Memes went into an interim lock down. We were advised by some of the 18,000 law student at our disposal of the potential defamatory nature of some of the memes posted up last night. Simply put, given the litigious nature of individuals, we will not be publishing any memes which feature Rose Ashton-Weirs picture. Why? Maybe because hell hath no fury like a student who didn't get into law school ... scorned? The last thing we want is LSM to permanently shut down. Message or comment us on any thoughts you have on the potential litigation claims or our perhaps unfounded paranoia.
If anything, the following meme will greater explain our fears.
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450,000 selling fortune cookies hahahahahaha.. she would have easily won the Ernst&young entrepreneur of the year if she succeeded.. gl to the girl if she thinks she can be spoonfed her education..she needs to harden the fuck up, move on and take some responsibility for her actions.
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Just... just wow.
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Kinda stupid how you try to sue a school, when you just failed LAW...
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Kinda stupid how you try to sue a school, when you just failed LAW...
She didn't fail law.. she didn't even get in the first place.
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Kinda stupid how you try to sue a school, when you just failed LAW...
She didn't fail law.. she didn't even get in the first place.
xD oops my bad... Thats even worst.
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Apparently it's another case of mother-forcing-it-upon-unwilling-daughter, according to someone I know who went to Geelong Grammar. Oh dear.
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A school has obligations and there's reason to believe that if you're paying large fees you might expect special help or a tailored program. Independent of the media beatup, there are legit reasons to criticize the school
But the thing is, I don't understand why this is being brought up now, after the dust has settled. Like had she attended the school in year 12, I believe that there would be a case, but the truth is, she attended the school several years prior, and whether or not she needed special help...etc. is a case which should have been brought up with the school back then when she needed help, not now after she already failed to get into law.
It seems like opportunistic suing to me, just trying to make money and/or gain publicity more than an actual case.
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It can be both...
If the school chronically failed her and she went somewhere else to try and make the best of it, then she's entitled to seek recompense imo
She doesn't have to seek it immediately or at all, but she's entitled to it if the school made claims and misrepresented a gifted program
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On the theme of ridiculous education-related lawsuits,
Too much homework no reason to sue ANU College: magistrate
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Please note that I am in no way trying to play down the following article. It seems like she may have a case (judging by the very limited information that was provided in the article).
I'm just trying to draw attention to the fact that a lot of ex-students seem to be suing their former schools.
On a side note, I think The Age was supposed to write Mac.Roberston Girls', not MHS.
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/disfigured-former-cadet-sues-melbourne-high-school-20120522-1z2l5.html
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http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/disfigured-former-cadet-sues-melbourne-high-school-20120522-1z2l5.html
I think they were part of our cadet unit, so it's not really a mistake, as "Melbourne High School cadet" is kinda accurate (although could be better worded).
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http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/disfigured-former-cadet-sues-melbourne-high-school-20120522-1z2l5.html
I think they were part of our cadet unit, so it's not really a mistake, as "Melbourne High School cadet" is kinda accurate (although could be better worded).
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/former-mac-robertson-girls-high-school-student-sues-government-for-negligence-after-camp-accident/story-fn7x8me2-1226363570597
That makes sense.
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there will almost certainly be an issue with contributory negligence.
she'll be successful, but she won't get much compensation.
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I think that cadet issue is even more stupid than the Geelong Grammar issue.
Like seriously, she cut her own finger, she put herself in a position where she could fall onto a fire.
It's about time people took some responsibilities for their actions. Like the thing is, we live in a "suing obsessed" world, where if anything happens, you sue, because:
1) You can
2) You might get compensation
What next? Can I sue my school for tripping over in the yard and breaking my nose, leading to disfigurement?!
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Or, you know, the people running the camp didn't do it properly and should have given her different equipment or whatever. This thread is pretty close to tall poppy syndrome territory...
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What next? Can I sue my school for tripping over in the yard and breaking my nose, leading to disfigurement?!
That's probably happened in the US, no joke.
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Or, you know, the people running the camp didn't do it properly and should have given her different equipment or whatever. This thread is pretty close to tall poppy syndrome territory...
But it's a cadet camp, which is teaching her to make do with a pocket knife, afaik?
Either way, it's her decision to do what she did, no one forced her to, you can't just go around blaming people for everything
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How does one actually fall into an open fire? Someone should do a "one does not simply fall into an open fire" meme. Is there a better article for that because there is barely any detail in the story.
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How does one actually fall into an open fire? Someone should do a "one does not simply fall into an open fire" meme. Is there a better article for that because there is barely any detail in the story.
She fainted
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How does one actually fall into an open fire? Someone should do a "one does not simply fall into an open fire" meme. Is there a better article for that because there is barely any detail in the story.
She fainted
Thanks. Just read The Age article which had more info than the Herald Sun.
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How does one actually fall into an open fire? Someone should do a "one does not simply fall into an open fire" meme. Is there a better article for that because there is barely any detail in the story.
She fainted
The fuck? If you faint at the sight of blood, don't join cadets. In fact, don't go camping. Stay at home.
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How does one actually fall into an open fire? Someone should do a "one does not simply fall into an open fire" meme. Is there a better article for that because there is barely any detail in the story.
She fainted
The fuck? If you faint at the sight of blood, don't join cadets. In fact, don't go camping. Stay at home.
I don't know much about biology or the specific case, but couldn't there be a possibility that she fainted from loss of blood?
Don't know how bad the cut was but is it possible to faint from losing lots of blood?
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How does one actually fall into an open fire? Someone should do a "one does not simply fall into an open fire" meme. Is there a better article for that because there is barely any detail in the story.
She fainted
The fuck? If you faint at the sight of blood, don't join cadets. In fact, don't go camping. Stay at home.
I don't know much about biology or the specific case, but couldn't there be a possibility that she fainted from loss of blood?
Don't know how bad the cut was but is it possible to faint from losing lots of blood?
yes but unless she cut her finger off or something i doubt she would have lost that much blood.
it's most likely a phobia of some sorts.
Which begs the question, if you know you have a fear of blood, why handle a knife yourself?
If you know you are prone to fainting, why stand next to the fire?
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lynt.br, cadets is a great way to overcome your fears and phobias of such things...
She probably wasn't expecting to cut herself. Who expects to cut themselves while preparing dinner?
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I don't understand how cutting her finger caused her to faint. :S
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Sight of blood is a very common trigger for a faint (vaso-vagal syncope if you want to wiki it and read about why)
But it's a cadet camp, which is teaching her to make do with a pocket knife, afaik?
Either way, it's her decision to do what she did, no one forced her to, you can't just go around blaming people for everything
Only if what they told her to do is reasonable, if it was unrealistic or potentially dangerous and she was never warned (like she's alleging) then that seems like negligence to me.
And don't be stupid, saying nobody forced her to do it is being deliberately obtuse. She's on a cadet camp. She's told to do something. What, you want her to refuse to prepare dinner because there's a chance she might hurt herself?
Whether or not she has a case depends on the specifics rather than the media spin, but there is zero reason to assume it's her fault and she's just out to try and win some money and not take responsibility.
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I'd expect someone who goes to a cadet camp to be competent enough to
- not need 24/7 supervision
- be able to cut a goddamn vegetable
- be able to take a small cut to the finger without fainting (it was a pocket knife. How big can the cut have been?)
- not be stupid enough to sit so close to a fire that her CHEST got burned (cos that's pretty damn close)
there will almost certainly be an issue with contributory negligence.
Yes sadly... and then kids will be even more collymoddled than they already are. Cadet camp? Better include a demarcation line of 3 metres around the campfire at all times, use only blunt plastic cutlery and make sure all the kids only walk on paved paths in case the precious little darlings twist an ankle on a branch or something.
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I love how she's claiming "allowed her to conduct a dangerous activity;
requested or required her to carry out a dangerous activity;"
IN WHAT WORLD IS COOKING A DANGEROUS ACTIVITY, PRINCESS?!
inb4 kitchen jokes
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nono contributory negligence would mean it was partly her fault which affects the compensation awarded :P
As BabySpice said, the outcome depends on specifics, but from what we are given in the article I'd guess the breach could only really be a failure to fence off the fire place (ie put some wire fencing around the fire so people don't fall in/run into it whatever). I doubt there is breach by failing to supervise her cutting a pumpkin/ not giving her a plastic knife because there would be voluntary assumption of risk (+ if you take that as a breach, burns damage is too remote).
lynt.br, cadets is a great way to overcome your fears and phobias of such things...
She probably wasn't expecting to cut herself. Who expects to cut themselves while preparing dinner?
I guess it depends if it is a psychological condition or not. I remember someone at my high school once fainted at the mention of cannibalism.
She may not have expected to cut herself, but she should have been aware of the risk. Especially so if she knows she has a severe phobia of blood. Whether this is contributory negligence depends on if she was forced to cut the pumpkin herself or if she could have asked for assistance (which I'm sure she could have if she explained her situation).
Also as nina pointed out, in order to fall ONTO the fire, she must have been pretty close to it. If she knows she is prone to fainting, that is also going to point towards contributory negligence.
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yes but that would also suggest that the program was partly at fault no?
hence reactionary mollycoddling
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true - although I think they were partly at fault, if only partially, for not fencing off the fire...
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I don't understand all this legal chat, but I'm still asserting that if she was instructed to do something that is, in retrospect, inappropriate then she can't be held at fault for doing it, especially in a program that prides itself on organization and discipline.
Also if you faint, you're going to fall forwards at least a metre, she could easily have been an otherwise safe distance from the fire
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- not be stupid enough to sit so close to a fire that her CHEST got burned (cos that's pretty damn close)
Also as nina pointed out, in order to fall ONTO the fire, she must have been pretty close to it. If she knows she is prone to fainting, that is also going to point towards contributory negligence.
She was far enough to get her face burnt hence facial disfigurement.
And don't be stupid, saying nobody forced her to do it is being deliberately obtuse. She's on a cadet camp. She's told to do something. What, you want her to refuse to prepare dinner because there's a chance she might hurt herself?
Whether or not she has a case depends on the specifics rather than the media spin, but there is zero reason to assume it's her fault and she's just out to try and win some money and not take responsibility.
fucking this +1
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Read the article again. She had burns on her CHEST. That's pretty fucking close to the fire
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She suffered deep dermal burns to the left side of her face, left ear, neck and chest, severe facial disfigurement.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/disfigured-former-cadet-sues-melbourne-high-school-20120522-1z2l5.html#ixzz1vz9Dw9q3
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But it wasn't solely the chest. If you were able to burn just your chest and have your fucking face remain intact, then you were too close. If you burnt your chest, in addition to your face, shit, anyone would burn if they fainted in front of an open flame, even if they stood from an ordinary cooking dsitance
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ordinary cooking dsitance
EPIC PHRASE RIGHT THERE.
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Only if what they told her to do is reasonable, if it was unrealistic or potentially dangerous and she was never warned (like she's alleging) then that seems like negligence to me.
And don't be stupid, saying nobody forced her to do it is being deliberately obtuse. She's on a cadet camp. She's told to do something. What, you want her to refuse to prepare dinner because there's a chance she might hurt herself?
Whether or not she has a case depends on the specifics rather than the media spin, but there is zero reason to assume it's her fault and she's just out to try and win some money and not take responsibility.
Yeah, but she could have refused and said that she thought it was dangerous, if they told her to go jump off a cliff, would she do it?
I don't understand all this legal chat, but I'm still asserting that if she was instructed to do something that is, in retrospect, inappropriate then she can't be held at fault for doing it, especially in a program that prides itself on organization and discipline.
But how can you classify something as inappropriate, I'm sure that this is probably a one-in-a-million case and that it doesn't happen that often. If I was told to boil water to make a coffee and I proceeded to spill that water on me, then you know, it's the same thing really...I don't think that would mount any sort of legal case.
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Yeah, but she could have refused and said that she thought it was dangerous, if they told her to go jump off a cliff, would she do it?
But how can you classify something as inappropriate, I'm sure that this is probably a one-in-a-million case and that it doesn't happen that often. If I was told to boil water to make a coffee and I proceeded to spill that water on me, then you know, it's the same thing really...I don't think that would mount any sort of legal case.
So what you're saying here is that she shouldn't have done it because it was dangerous but it isn't actually dangerous because it's a freak accident...
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What I'm saying is that it's her decision, everything comes with a chance of something going wrong, and if you partake in something, you should accept that there are consequences. It's not the camp's fault.
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This response is hilarious.
http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/they-must-pay-for-ones-bitter-disappointments/
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ugh scratch that not happening