Former student suing Geelong Grammar for "failing to get her into law"

[KevinooBz]

How does one actually fall into an open fire? Someone should do a "one does not simply fall into an open fire" meme. Is there a better article for that because there is barely any detail in the story.

[paulsterio]

How does one actually fall into an open fire? Someone should do a "one does not simply fall into an open fire" meme. Is there a better article for that because there is barely any detail in the story.

She fainted

[KevinooBz]

How does one actually fall into an open fire? Someone should do a "one does not simply fall into an open fire" meme. Is there a better article for that because there is barely any detail in the story.

She fainted

Thanks. Just read The Age article which had more info than the Herald Sun.

[Mao]

How does one actually fall into an open fire? Someone should do a "one does not simply fall into an open fire" meme. Is there a better article for that because there is barely any detail in the story.

She fainted

The fuck? If you faint at the sight of blood, don't join cadets. In fact, don't go camping. Stay at home.

[Menang]

How does one actually fall into an open fire? Someone should do a "one does not simply fall into an open fire" meme. Is there a better article for that because there is barely any detail in the story.

She fainted

The fuck? If you faint at the sight of blood, don't join cadets. In fact, don't go camping. Stay at home.

I don't know much about biology or the specific case, but couldn't there be a possibility that she fainted from loss of blood?

Don't know how bad the cut was but is it possible to faint from losing lots of blood?

[lynt.br]

How does one actually fall into an open fire? Someone should do a "one does not simply fall into an open fire" meme. Is there a better article for that because there is barely any detail in the story.

She fainted

The fuck? If you faint at the sight of blood, don't join cadets. In fact, don't go camping. Stay at home.

I don't know much about biology or the specific case, but couldn't there be a possibility that she fainted from loss of blood?

Don't know how bad the cut was but is it possible to faint from losing lots of blood?

yes but unless she cut her finger off or something i doubt she would have lost that much blood.

it's most likely a phobia of some sorts.

Which begs the question, if you know you have a fear of blood, why handle a knife yourself?
If you know you are prone to fainting, why stand next to the fire?

[enwiabe]

lynt.br, cadets is a great way to overcome your fears and phobias of such things...

She probably wasn't expecting to cut herself. Who expects to cut themselves while preparing dinner?

[Stick]

I don't understand how cutting her finger caused her to faint. :S

[Russ]

Sight of blood is a very common trigger for a faint (vaso-vagal syncope if you want to wiki it and read about why)

But it's a cadet camp, which is teaching her to make do with a pocket knife, afaik?
Either way, it's her decision to do what she did, no one forced her to, you can't just go around blaming people for everything

Only if what they told her to do is reasonable, if it was unrealistic or potentially dangerous and she was never warned (like she's alleging) then that seems like negligence to me.

And don't be stupid, saying nobody forced her to do it is being deliberately obtuse. She's on a cadet camp. She's told to do something. What, you want her to refuse to prepare dinner because there's a chance she might hurt herself?

Whether or not she has a case depends on the specifics rather than the media spin, but there is zero reason to assume it's her fault and she's just out to try and win some money and not take responsibility.

[ninwa]

I'd expect someone who goes to a cadet camp to be competent enough to
- not need 24/7 supervision
- be able to cut a goddamn vegetable
- be able to take a small cut to the finger without fainting (it was a pocket knife. How big can the cut have been?)
- not be stupid enough to sit so close to a fire that her CHEST got burned (cos that's pretty damn close)

there will almost certainly be an issue with contributory negligence.

Yes sadly... and then kids will be even more collymoddled than they already are. Cadet camp? Better include a demarcation line of 3 metres around the campfire at all times, use only blunt plastic cutlery and make sure all the kids only walk on paved paths in case the precious little darlings twist an ankle on a branch or something.

edit:
I love how she's claiming "allowed her to conduct a dangerous activity;
requested or required her to carry out a dangerous activity;"

IN WHAT WORLD IS COOKING A DANGEROUS ACTIVITY, PRINCESS?!

inb4 kitchen jokes

[lynt.br]

nono contributory negligence would mean it was partly her fault which affects the compensation awarded

As BabySpice said, the outcome depends on specifics, but from what we are given in the article I'd guess the breach could only really be a failure to fence off the fire place (ie put some wire fencing around the fire so people don't fall in/run into it whatever). I doubt there is breach by failing to supervise her cutting a pumpkin/ not giving her a plastic knife because there would be voluntary assumption of risk (+ if you take that as a breach, burns damage is too remote).

lynt.br, cadets is a great way to overcome your fears and phobias of such things...

She probably wasn't expecting to cut herself. Who expects to cut themselves while preparing dinner?

I guess it depends if it is a psychological condition or not. I remember someone at my high school once fainted at the mention of cannibalism.
She may not have expected to cut herself, but she should have been aware of the risk. Especially so if she knows she has a severe phobia of blood. Whether this is contributory negligence depends on if she was forced to cut the pumpkin herself or if she could have asked for assistance (which I'm sure she could have if she explained her situation).
Also as nina pointed out, in order to fall ONTO the fire, she must have been pretty close to it. If she knows she is prone to fainting, that is also going to point towards contributory negligence.

[ninwa]

yes but that would also suggest that the program was partly at fault no?

hence reactionary mollycoddling

[lynt.br]

true - although I think they were partly at fault, if only partially, for not fencing off the fire...

[Russ]

I don't understand all this legal chat, but I'm still asserting that if she was instructed to do something that is, in retrospect, inappropriate then she can't be held at fault for doing it, especially in a program that prides itself on organization and discipline.

Also if you faint, you're going to fall forwards at least a metre, she could easily have been an otherwise safe distance from the fire

[JellyDonut]

- not be stupid enough to sit so close to a fire that her CHEST got burned (cos that's pretty damn close)

Also as nina pointed out, in order to fall ONTO the fire, she must have been pretty close to it. If she knows she is prone to fainting, that is also going to point towards contributory negligence.

She was far enough to get her face burnt hence facial disfigurement.

And don't be stupid, saying nobody forced her to do it is being deliberately obtuse. She's on a cadet camp. She's told to do something. What, you want her to refuse to prepare dinner because there's a chance she might hurt herself?

Whether or not she has a case depends on the specifics rather than the media spin, but there is zero reason to assume it's her fault and she's just out to try and win some money and not take responsibility.

fucking this +1