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Uni Stuff => Universities - Victoria => University of Melbourne => Topic started by: Pup on February 17, 2013, 09:26:28 pm
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Has anyone pursued other types engineering besides from biomedical engineering, after a biomed degree. Thinking the possibly of doing Chemical engineering as a back-up option to health sciences, should i do not get in. How might I approach this? Willing to take 3 years to complete the Masters of Engineering degree if needed
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Haven't you talked to the Eng Department about this already? I swear you said you did talk to them about the problem with Chem for Bio =/= Chem 1 and Chem 2.
http://www.eng.unimelb.edu.au/study/graduate/master-eng-chemical.html
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yeah i have. Had it cleared up, but still have to complete another chem subject either level 1 or 2. I'm just wondering if this is a realistic option, i'm suggesting out. Could you combine a biomed degree and an engineering degree to make it into some useful career. Eg, could both complement each other.
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Out of interest, why didn't you do Sci instead of Biomed?
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I really want do a health science such as med, dentistry, physio or optometry. That's why I choose biomedicine because it provides a thorough preparation for it, plus the cohort strength and competitiveness appealed to me. I'm thinking about the possibility of not getting in a health science degree later on. I don't want to be stuck in a research which doesn't interests me.
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There are heaps of Med schools that are easier to get into than Melb btw. Deakin springs to mind, as well as JCU and Griffith (I think these run Grad Med programs). If you really want to do Med and you don't get into Melb, other institutions are available.
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There are heaps of Med schools that are easier to get into than Melb btw. Deakin springs to mind, as well as JCU and Griffith (I think these run Grad Med programs). If you really want to do Med and you don't get into Melb, other institutions are available.
Yeah there are a lot more: UoM, Monash (gippsland), UQ, Deakin, USyd, Notre Dame, ANU, UWA, Flinders, and maybe some I'm forgetting
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Out of interest, why didn't you do Sci instead of Biomed?
Because he's a sucker for prestige and Biomed sounds much more impressive
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I thought JCU doesn't do grad entry? Not last time I checked anyway.
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It doesn't.
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Why call me a sucker? Just because I choose to do Biomed or Science, doesn't mean I'm uptight and stuck up. That's was really out of line for someone who is in third year. I chose Biomed for a number of reasons that appealed to me, never knew about the prestige. Both Biomed and Science are the same. Don't feel welcome on Atarnotes sometimes......
Maybe it's because the reasons you have listed for going with Biomed is identically present in Science too. And you pickedd biomed when you still had an engineering backup plan??? Sorry, that does not compute :S
Competitive cohort and it prepares you for medicine "thoroughly" if you pick the right major. But you just are not getting the message that John has told you a million times.
You don't pick your undergrad course or your breadth subject for the sole purpose of helping your GAMSAT or prep for medicine. That is just stupid.
I think if you stopped repetitively asking silly questions even after they have been answered before, then you might feel a bit more "welcome".
I think you should learn to use the search function a bit more because the questions you ask get asked every year and they have been answered thoroughly numerous times.
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Yes, lets attack the guy because every person under the sun is doing biomed for the wrong reasons.......
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Even though I can get repetitive, it is because there are no good answers. I'm try to be nice and all on AN and use it to get much needed help. No right to insult someone by calling them a "sucker" when they did nothing wrong here.
"sucker" is not an insult!!
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sucker
suck·er (skr)
n.
4. A lollipop.
:)
Yes, lets attack the guy because every person under the sun is doing biomed for the wrong reasons.......
who are you?
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It's not because "everyone" is doing Biomed for the wrong reasons. It's just that he wanted to do Chemical Engineering as a backup and it would be a shitload easier to do Chem.Sys + Med pre-reqs through Science rather than forcing a M.Eng (Chem) after a Biomed degree.
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If there are 'no good' answers then maybe that's an indication that not many people can give any advice or information about this? I mean it's great that you're using this to gain as much information as you can but you've asked quite a few of the same questions multiple times in different threads. Don't do that!! Readers like myself get annoyed when we see someone post something repetitively especially if it has been answered before.
I agree that it was unnecessary for John to say that but someone would've said something sooner or later.
Also, for specific questions you really are best off to head into uni and talk to a course adviser - you might have to schedule a time. It's better than emailing them, just go the and get it over and done with then you won't have to waste any further time doing research.
Final thing I know how it feels to want to keep options open but from what I see you really want to get into health science PG I'm assuming Med. If that's what you want go after it, don't waste your time pondering about stuff like this. Don't doubt yourself, give it your best shot and if that isn't enough then you can reassess there, I mean you can still apply for other health sciences so all is not lost! Yes, have a back up plan but not everything is possible. If you want to do engineering afterwards or keep that option open then maybe do B.Sci or B.Biomed with a B.Eng.
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What is wrong with doing biomed and enquiring about back up plans if he does not get into any health science courses? If his sole reason is to do engineering, that is another story.
I really want do a health science such as med, dentistry, physio or optometry. That's why I choose biomedicine because it provides a thorough preparation for it, plus the cohort strength and competitiveness appealed to me. I'm thinking about the possibility of not getting in a health science degree later on. I don't want to be stuck in a research which doesn't interests me.
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What is wrong with doing biomed and enquiring about back up plans if he does not get into any health science courses? If his sole reason is to do engineering, that is another story.
As Hancock mentioned:
It's not because "everyone" is doing Biomed for the wrong reasons. It's just that he wanted to do Chemical Engineering as a backup and it would be a shitload easier to do Chem.Sys + Med pre-reqs through Science rather than forcing a M.Eng (Chem) after a Biomed degree.
The Biomedicine course is not really suitable for people who are looking at pursing engineering (with the exception of biomedical engineering), rather it is designed for what some would argue a more "in-depth" look at health sciences (which you can major in science anyway). Science is always going to be the better option for other types of engineering because of its flexibility.
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Chem 1 Bio 1 Calc 2 Breadth
Chem 2 Bio 2 Lin Alg ESD2
CPA 1 Eng Maths Reactions and Synthesis ANATOMY
CPA 2 Trans. Processes BIOCHEM PHYSIOLOGY
Reactor Eng. Heat and Mass Trans. ELECTIVE BREADTH
Fluid Mech & Thermo Process Eng Cases ELECTIVE BREADTH
As you can see, you would need to take one breadth subject (need minimum of 4) under the CAP system (costs ~2500 per subject I think) but it works out more nicely and you don't lose a year if you don't get into any Med Schools. You can't change any of the electives in 3 year because you need to take at leata 75 points of science courses at level 3.
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We need to consider the context which sucker was used, because it can be offensive if used in specific ways. I am pretty sure that John President wasn't trying necessarily to offend/hurt you, it may have just been a fun jab (if I am not mistaken this is the person who previously had the words 'genital fungus' in their personal text lol) because constant abuse is against the rules, and Mr. President knows his rules!
With regard to your 'pedantic' questions which have been already addressed in the forum various times, a lot of us at one stage have been an offender, including me, because sometimes we just have to not just make sure, but double make sure, and see if the information that may have been addressed in the past still applies today. Considering that biomedicine is undergoing a few key changes next year with regard to its course, and especially as someone entering University who isn't as acclimatised to the environment, I think this is warranted. However, if you find that you cannot understand the answer provided etc. you could ask for elaborations, or personal message those for clarifications, because super repetitiveness with regard to the same issue all over the boards isn't following forum 'etiquette' and will get on the nerves of many. Random I know, but jinny1 asks who kenhung123 is. Well it is the kenhung123 himself! This person sent me the first PM I received on VCE Notes. Guess what it was about: clarification of something I was confused about, which may have been repeated already.
Next, with your mention that there are no 'good' answers, that in itself can be insulting to those who genuinely want to help, and extremely subjective to say at the least.
To somewhat address some questions, and other questions that may be common, I will summarise the details in this thread and within other threads, along with including some of my general thoughts:
- If you want to do postgraduate medicine, doing either Science and Biomedicine is fine; if you're absolutely sure on the long term on Health Sciences, then biomedicine is another consideration. If you aren't so sure, or want to possibly reach into other fields, Science offers you this option to a great degree.
- Do Science if you plan on doing Engineering, unless you specifically want to do bioengineering, which you may want to do biomedicine.
- If your back up is engineering, and you're not too sure if you're stuck on bioengineering, do Science, because:
1. Neither gives you an advantage on the GAMSAT etc. etc.
2. If you happen to end up choosing this pathway, you're open to more engineering options, perhaps more relevant to your situation.
Because I don't know much about how the specifics of the allocation, standardisation etc. of subjects, I will not argue too much about this point, but often it is said that subjects work so that not too many people get H1 (or H2A, or H2B, H3, P etc.) scores, and because Biomedicine may have a more competitive cohort etc. it may be harder to get a higher GPA from a purely generalising view. So it may be a disadvantage doing Biomedicine unless of three points:
1. You work really hard and smart etc. etc. as a student.
2. You have the username stonecold, mavisgibbons, darlok, Hancock (and others but it would take all night so I will leave you to ponder about it as you twiddle your thumbs) where it doesn't matter what you do.
3. You have the username stonecold, mavisgibbons, darlok or Hancock (and others but it would take all night so I will leave you to ponder about it as you twiddle your thumbs) where it doesn't matter what you do.
If you're not too keen on mathematics, you are made to do a year of it in biomedicine, and also physics. Statistics and physics as a combination are quite painful, because they are at times harder to relate to and intuitively understand. This may or may not support the disadvantaged view above for your situation. Because in my opinion, you cannot purely wing statistics, because you'll have weekly quizzes every week, have an assignment that is an extremely painful thing to do (I think last year was an exception because we had a new lecturer which made the assignment hard according to the tutors), have a computer test, so you need to know some computer commands and so forth. But this is just an opinion.
Apologies for getting off topic.
If you still want information about engineering after biomedicine, you could alternatively talk to the appropriate people in person, or PM someone, especially if you feel it you aren't getting your questions cleared up. With regard to bioengineering, I know a few people doing it who I can ask, which may be of some relevance as I don't know if there are many here on these forums. I hope you change your mind about this forum and the members, they are great people!
References:
who are you?
Even though I can get repetitive, it is because there are no good answers.
Tl;dr: I guess everyone is reading this part?
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Ok, firstly I'd like to clarify that I meant to say that Melbourneguy was easily attracted by the prestige of Biomedicine, seemingly at the expense of other considerations - that was what I meant by "sucker".
Additionally the benefits of Science vs Biomedicine have been discussed dozens of times on this board, and a common argument in favour of Science is that it offers alternative, non-health science majors in the event that you decide against doing Med, plus enabling you to potentially undertake a broader variety of postgraduate degrees - including Chem Eng via the path Hancock suggested above. So I strongly disagree with the suggestion that this board lacks information on the subject.
And I have great respect for people who make a considered decision to pursue medicine instead of other career paths - I think these people are the majority. In the end it's about knowing yourself in terms of your strengths and life aspirations.
Finally: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKjJh1NJXf0
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does anyone think it's a good idea to sticky a thread under UoM forum titled Biomedicine vs Science? Just so the same questions aren't asked over and over again
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its too restrictive and lacks freedom of subject choices
That's only an issue if you were considering branching away from the health sciences field, but otherwise it is similar. For reference if I sound like I'm attacking biomedicine, I'm not, I do this course.
If you're 100% set on doing a health-science, do Biomed. The competitive cohort should motivate you to work harder, it'll essentially be like going to another selective-school cohort (and since you went to MHS, we can both see how that environment helped us).
If you also have other career aspirations/interests that aren't limited to health care, do Science, because it's more flexible and you may end up liking a career that's not medicine. However, if you go into Science wanting to do medicine, chances are, you'll be tailoring your course to match the Biomedicine course but you'll lack the cohort value.
Just to contrast:
As far as i know from my friends in biomed, you can't actually major in anything.
Biomed is an incredibly structured (and some would say restrictive) course. Most of the subjects you do are compulsory and everyone has to do them. You get very little wiggle room as compared to a Science degree.
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Thanks for letting know about the forum etiquette, I will know better next time. Yeah, it was a misunderstanding about the "sucker". Just on the debate about Science vs Biomedicine, sometimes I can get turned off by doing Biomedicine, because of all the criticisms, that it's harder to get a high GPA, its too restrictive and lacks freedom of subject choices. But why have a Biomedicine degree at the University of Melbourne, when there a more flexible degree in the Bachelor of Science? The opinions of Biomed by some are completely different to those who have actually done Biomed. no offence to anyone.
Many prospective med students, who get offered a place at both Melbourne and Monash, face a dilemma when choosing between both universities. Having a Biomed degree helps Melbourne attract top students to its university at the expense of Monash. If the Biomed degree were removed today, Melbourne would certainly lose some top students to Monash.
And whether Biomed is better than Science depends on the person - for people who are sure they want to study health sciences, it is definitely the better degree despite its rigidity. The Biomed pathway is certainly more rigorous and with the more competitive cohort, you'll be motivated to work harder. However, for those who are thinking about med but also considering other areas of study, Science is the recommended option.