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General Discussion => General Discussion Boards => Rants and Debate => Topic started by: Water on June 15, 2013, 10:58:47 pm
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Personally, I've given up the idea that Peace can be achieved; but if anyone is willing to put in their view points, I would love to hear it and explain their reasons :)!
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Arches_Theory_of_Conflict_Prevention#.22Golden_Arches_Theory_of_Conflict_Prevention.22
Solution is clearly to have McDonalds in every country.
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Humanity is shit. Everyone has disagreements etc. out of greed, jealousy etc. cant avoid that in life.
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*CoughHobbescough*
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War, war never changess
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Peace is attainable and WILL be attained. Someday. But perhaps we will never see that day.
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I think that depends on the definition of peace/war. I think we're heading towards a world with neither.
I can't really fathom a world in which there are no international tensions. Even if we reach some state of equilibrium which everyone is satisfied with, eventually internal conflicts in a country will upset it. So no, I don't think we'll have a world in which everyone lives in harmony et cetera.
It seems likely though that we are heading away from direct battlefield confrontation. It seems rather pointless, considering that most world powers have the capability to destroy each other at will.
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I think it can happen if we really wanted it to but since humanity is flawed, there will always be barriers to achieving it. Although on one level, I think that some phenomenon will happen and we will lose all our knowledge and only through that will we achieve peace. Maybe that's when life will end, when we finally figure out how to live in harmony with each other.
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do invasions count as war?
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do invasions count as war?
No, invasions are in a class of their own. They're fine, we're not concerned with them. :)
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Peace will never be attained
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When you look at the reasons why wars happen, I think it's fair to say that they are inevitable unless there are a number of unforeseeable changes in terms of human nature and the context of life on Earth.
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War - what is it good for?
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War - what is it good for?
Absolutely nothing!
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Plenty of things, actually. Of course I'd rather if we were able to completely avoid it, but it's not like going to war is an automatically bad decision. At the very least, I think we could all agree on that if a country has been attacked, or otherwise fears for its safety, it's allowed to engage the threatening powers.
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Absolutely nothing!
Not at all - technological and cultural advancements often occur because of war. Many attribute China's decline from the 16th century onwards to the fact that it kind of just fell into a long period of peace. As Polonium said, war is obviously not desirable generally, but it sure as hell isn't totally futile as well.
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Not at all - technological and cultural advancements often occur because of war. Many attribute China's decline from the 16th century onwards to the fact that it kind of just fell into a long period of peace. As Polonium said, war is obviously not desirable generally, but it sure as hell isn't totally futile as well.
Absolutely. Most economists attribute the recovery post Great Depression to the technological advancements made during WWII.
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Not at all - technological and cultural advancements often occur because of war. Many attribute China's decline from the 16th century onwards to the fact that it kind of just fell into a long period of peace. As Polonium said, war is obviously not desirable generally, but it sure as hell isn't totally futile as well.
I was reciting part of the song but alright.
I wouldn't attribute the advancements made during such periods to war as I feel that these advancements were not made because of war but, rather because of the expectations of the time. They needed to have these advancements because of the situation that they created and not as a result of the event, war, that is, itself.
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I was reciting part of the song but alright.
I wouldn't attribute the advancements made during such periods to war as I feel that these advancements were not made because of war but, rather because of the expectations of the time. They needed to have these advancements because of the situation that they created and not as a result of the event, war, that is, itself.
Nope - a lot of advancements are made because of the specific need to overcome the enemy in battle. See for instance the radar. It's not circumstances, it's the need to gain an advantage in terms of power, knowledge, efficiency etc which counts.
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War is peace.
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War is peace.
War and Peace?
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Personally, I've given up the idea that Peace can be achieved; but if anyone is willing to put in their view points, I would love to hear it and explain their reasons :)!
I just went to a talk by the Dalai Lama today and he talked about this exact thing a bit. He said peace can be achieved if everyone choose to fix problems through dialogue without resorting to violence, while acknowledging that even in a perfect world problems would occur but it's the way these problems are dealt with would be the determining factor. Very interesting man.
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There is no way we attain peace with war..thats like having sex for virginity..perhaps some of you have heard the latest incidents in Turkey..police using excessive power, illegal groups rioting etc..Whereas this man here..just standing..all he does is standing...No rioting, no excessive power...This is a clever way of attaining peace!
(http://icube.milliyet.com.tr/YeniAnaResim/2013/06/18/yeni-eylem-duran-adam--3382980.Jpeg)
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Nothing wrong with rioting. Internal political violence. At the end of the day, even democracy is a societal construct. Power can only be executed with the ability to use force.
Besides, what's the issue with using war to obtain peace? Peace is something which you gain, while "losing your virginity" is not something that is reversible.
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War and Peace?
Freedom is Slavery