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VCE Stuff => VCE Mathematics => VCE Mathematics/Science/Technology => VCE Subjects + Help => VCE Specialist Mathematics => Topic started by: /0 on July 21, 2009, 10:37:54 pm
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Let , and let be a zero of .
Show that
Show that is also a zero of .
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(1)
multiply both sides by a^2:
(2)
(2) - (1):
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lol this was itute exam Q
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lol this was itute exam Q
Orly? meh I was feeling creative today so it worked out, but under exam pressure I don't know if I would have come up with this.
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lol this was itute exam Q
Really? I got it from HSC 2008
Thanks kamil :)
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I just realised I multipled everything by a^2 unnecesarily, look:
Oh and the schoolkid way of doing first part would probably involve the geometric sequence, but what I did is essentially derive the formula for it in disguise.
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A 'lazy' way of doing this (i.e. no inspiration whatsoever) is:
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Notice that . Therefore (You should be able to see that without any evaluation at all, but sometimes it helps just to write everything down).
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Thanks, it's great to see different approaches, no matter how inspired they are ;p
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1. Use the method of cylindrical shells to find the volume of the solid formed when the shaded region bounded by
, , and is rotated about the y-axis.
It is given that
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Describe the key features of
I said "Circle center (0,1), radius 5 in the complex plane"
The answers said "Circle center 0+i, radius 5"
Would my answer be incorrect?
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Remember I asked this in class once? Back in good old term 2, and Mr B said we could use Cartesian notation in the Argand diagram.
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Remember I asked this in class once? Back in good old term 2, and Mr B said we could use Cartesian notation in the Argand diagram.
Oh yeah true!
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Remember I asked this in class once? Back in good old term 2, and Mr B said we could use Cartesian notation in the Argand diagram.
It is preferable that you don't, since the axis's of the Argand diagram are defined as Re(z) and Im(z). :)
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ah i see...
Also: Find for
If I do implicit diff straight away I end up with
If I rearrange so that x is not in the denominator, then implicit diff, I get
Can someone please check this?
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Haha I just did this Q /0, yeah their both right, I think the Q asked you to find the equation of the tangents? Both expressions for the gradient function give the same gradient at those points.
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Haha I just did this Q /0, yeah their both right, I think the Q asked you to find the equation of the tangents? Both expressions for the gradient function give the same gradient at those points.
Yeah that's right, but what I'm more worried about is that the expressions are not the same for other points.
i.e. for , solving for y you get
Let's take the positive value of y...
With the gradient is
With the gradient is
... which leads me to believe that somehow, one of these expressions is wrong.
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Yeah that JUST happened to me on Kilbaha exam Q 1... the expressions don't work for some points but they do for others... I'm gonna ask kamil about it later and see what he says on it.
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hmm interesting
Also another question, this time from MAV 2007 Exam 2, picture attached
This might be due to my lack of understanding with solids of revolutions, but I was under the impression that A would be the correct expression, but it is not.
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is it B?
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is it B?
Yep
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ok don't worry i think i see why now
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hmm interesting
Also another question, this time from MAV 2007 Exam 2, picture attached
This might be due to my lack of understanding with solids of revolutions, but I was under the impression that A would be the correct expression, but it is not.
it can't be A because it is not in the form . where is upper function and is lower function.
you can not combine to two functions.
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Replying to the question relating implicit diff, , the solutions should be the same. It appears you have made a small error in solving the relation for y when x=2, as well as an error in implicit differentiation.
implicit differentiation:
The other method:
implicit diff:
When x=2,
for the positive value,
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Apparently the answer for this is 100N but i get 41.2N... what does everyone else get?
(highlight to uncover text)
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I get 100N.
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Yeah I get 100.
EDIT: too fast unknown id lol was just about to post that.
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He forgot the 10
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thanks
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Is it true/false that if you take the average of the three coordinates of a triangle you will get the coordinates of the centre of the circumcircle?
I've heard that it can be used to find the centroid but i'm not sure if that's the same thing.
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Is it true/false that if you take the average of the three coordinates of a triangle you will get the coordinates of the centre of the circumcircle?
I've heard that it can be used to find the centroid but i'm not sure if that's the same thing.
Is this that Kilbaha question? |z-c| = r shit?
I just made 3 simultaneous equations to find the centroid.
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true true
Another Q
If you have a length in and you take the log base 10 of it then do the units stay the same or wut? :P
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Can you provide an example of the context?
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I will provide the example, it is in fact this question:
http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,9192.msg167561.html#msg167561
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ok well because the question says "x cm". x=10 for 10cm, not x=10cm otherwise "x cm" would imply "10cm cm".
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Difference between a maths and physics question:
maths:
Displacement of a particle x m from the origin at time t seconds after blah blah is given by:
where
physics:
Displacement of a particle,x , at a time t after blah blah is given by:
where
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thanks kamil... it was just a general question
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yeah, in general what i tried to say (without explicitly saying it) is that mathematical functions take unitless numbers as arguments so really there should be some constant with a unit to cancel out the unit of the quantity, or the quantity can just be defined by a real number as 'how many units'(latter being the case in most applied math questions)
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If a question asks whether the 'path' of one vector function crosses the path of another vector, what does it mean by 'cross'?
For example, if you had the vector (1,1) and the 'path' r(t) = (t,-t), would that 'cross' the (1,1) vector?
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I'd assume cross is just that the path of both the vector functions will intersect each other. The particles themselves don't have to intersect at the same time but the paths they travel on will intersect.
r(t) = (t,-t) what notation is that?
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If a question asks whether the 'path' of one vector function crosses the path of another vector, what does it mean by 'cross'?
For example, if you had the vector (1,1) and the 'path' r(t) = (t,-t), would that 'cross' the path of the vector?
I believe if it says 'crosses the path' it means that at some point in time, one vector is at a position where the other is (if collision), or has previously been there.
In your example, no they wouldn't cross, at t=1, one vector would be at (1,1) and the other at (1,-1).
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lazy notation
according to MAV 2008 in that particular example the paths wouldn't cross... so i wonder if the domain for 'crossing' is something like (0,1), not [0, 1]? or something or rather...I'd assume cross is just that the path of both the vector functions will intersect each other. The particles themselves don't have to intersect at the same time but the paths they travel on will intersect.
r(t) = (t,-t) what notation is that?
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Wait r(t) = t i -t j?
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If a question asks whether the 'path' of one vector function crosses the path of another vector, what does it mean by 'cross'?
For example, if you had the vector (1,1) and the 'path' r(t) = (t,-t), would that 'cross' the path of the vector?
I believe if it says 'crosses the path' it means that at some point in time, one vector is at a position where the other is (if collision), or has previously been there.
In your example, no they wouldn't cross, at t=1, one vector would be at (1,1) and the other at (1,-1).
oh so do you think the path has to go THROUGH the point (1,1), not just through the 'vector' pointing there?
Wait r(t) = t i -t j?
yer
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If a question asks whether the 'path' of one vector function crosses the path of another vector, what does it mean by 'cross'?
For example, if you had the vector (1,1) and the 'path' r(t) = (t,-t), would that 'cross' the path of the vector?
I believe if it says 'crosses the path' it means that at some point in time, one vector is at a position where the other is (if collision), or has previously been there.
In your example, no they wouldn't cross, at t=1, one vector would be at (1,1) and the other at (1,-1).
oh so do you think the path has to go THROUGH the point (1,1), not just through the 'vector' pointing there?
Wait r(t) = t i -t j?
yer
Yes that what it means by crossing doesn't it? The paths literally have to MEET. [But doesn't have to be at same time]
Quote from: TrueTears on Today at 10:23:52 PM
Wait r(t) = t i -t j?
yer
Okay well x = t and y = -t
so y = -x is the cartesian equation. Since there is no restriction on t, then domain and range of the function is R.
Therefore it won't ever intersect with the point (1,1)
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mmm cool thanks, it just seems weird seeing as in the question they have OA = 500i+450j which is just a 'point', and yet they ask whether the vector function crosses the 'path' of OA. Wouldn't normally call a point a path rite?
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If a question asks whether the 'path' of one vector function crosses the path of another vector, what does it mean by 'cross'?
For example, if you had the vector (1,1) and the 'path' r(t) = (t,-t), would that 'cross' the path of the vector?
I believe if it says 'crosses the path' it means that at some point in time, one vector is at a position where the other is (if collision), or has previously been there.
In your example, no they wouldn't cross, at t=1, one vector would be at (1,1) and the other at (1,-1).
oh so do you think the path has to go THROUGH the point (1,1), not just through the 'vector' pointing there?
My limited knowledge says yes.
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mmm cool thanks, it just seems weird seeing as in the question they have OA = 500i+450j which is just a 'point', and yet they ask whether the vector function crosses the 'path' of OA. Wouldn't normally call a point a path rite?
LOL I remember that dodgy plane question!
(wait didn't they say the plane landed at (500,450) or something? soz memory is a bit weary here lol)
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mmm cool thanks, it just seems weird seeing as in the question they have OA = 500i+450j which is just a 'point', and yet they ask whether the vector function crosses the 'path' of OA. Wouldn't normally call a point a path rite?
LOL I remember that dodgy plane question!
yeah true lol
anyway thanks TT and damo XD
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For two vector functions and
Cross: for some arbitrary and , (i.e. they cross the same point)
Collide: for some , (i.e. they cross the same point at the same time)
A path defined by the tip of the position vector described by r(t). Hence, when two paths cross, we're saying that the tips of two position vectors coincide. Since all position vectors originate from O, thus the two position vectors must coincide exactly for a 'cross'. For a collision, the two position vectors must coincide exactly at the time.
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mmm cool thanks, it just seems weird seeing as in the question they have OA = 500i+450j which is just a 'point', and yet they ask whether the vector function crosses the 'path' of OA. Wouldn't normally call a point a path rite?
LOL I remember that dodgy plane question!
(wait didn't they say the plane landed at (500,450) or something? soz memory is a bit weary here lol)
Here's the question
Relative to a fixed origin, O, the position of the plane, P, at time is given by . An airport officilal is standing at A(500,450) and observes the plane landing, worried that he may be hit by the plane. State, giving reasons, whether the plane's path crosses the path of vector OA.
For two vector functions and
Cross: for some arbitrary and , (i.e. they cross the same point)
Collide: for some , (i.e. they cross the same point at the same time)
A path defined by the tip of the position vector described by r(t). Hence, when two paths cross, we're saying that the tips of two position vectors coincide. Since all position vectors originate from O, thus the two position vectors must coincide exactly for a 'cross'. For a collision, the two position vectors must coincide exactly at the time.
cool thanks mao! hate those tricky linguistics
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Lol i think MAV might have had other ideas.
SPOILERS; THESE ARE SOLUTIONS.
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It sounds like they defined 'the path of the vector OA' like a line segment, and any crossing of the plane with this line segment counts as 'crossing the path of the vector OA'.
Tricky wording
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It sounds like they defined 'the path of the vector OA' like a line segment, and any crossing of the plane with this line segment counts as 'crossing the path of the vector OA'.
Tricky wording
Would you say that MAV is unreliable in their definitions in this case?
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It sounds like they defined 'the path of the vector OA' like a line segment, and any crossing of the plane with this line segment counts as 'crossing the path of the vector OA'.
Tricky wording
Would you say that MAV is unreliable in their definitions in this case?
mm not really. As you've said, the 'path' of a single point is not really logical. Since OA is just a single vector, the path of OA can be interpreted as the line segment OA.
Note the difference between a path of a vector function and the path of a single vector.
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That's what I thought, the path of OA as the line segment OA, maybe it's just a interpretation thing.
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"Express the roots of in terms of , where "
(The roots are )
I did "roots are , "
Answers got ", "
Is that alright? I reckon they weren't really clear about what 'express' meant so I just took each root and expressed them in terms of XD
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haha LOLcat LOL'ed
edit: 666 posts. Will not post anymore so any queries you want to ask me please do so in this thread and I will edit the post accordingly kthx
TT: 3a. Note that B is constant hence you can differentiate flux quite easily in terms of area and speed of bar. 3b. Equate F=ma to F=IDb and use the expression from part a to get rid of I. 3c. Solve the differential equation or be creative like me and find the definite integral of both sides from 0 to T (watch out for change in terminals :))
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Kamil how do you solve Q 3 a c b)
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Answers got ", "
Is that alright? I reckon they weren't really clear about what 'express' meant so I just took each root and expressed them in terms of XD
Hmm
I just wrote for my answers and just ticked it. :S
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haha LOLcat LOL'ed
edit: 666 posts. Will not post anymore so any queries you want to ask me please do so in this thread and I will edit the post accordingly kthx
TT: 3a. Note that B is constant hence you can differentiate flux quite easily in terms of area and speed of bar. 3b. Equate F=ma to F=IDb and use the expression from part a to get rid of I. 3c. Solve the differential equation or be creative like me and find the definite integral of both sides from 0 to T (watch out for change in terminals :))
you can have this thread i'll make a new one
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LOL i was just kidding. There, 667 posts :P