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Archived Discussion => English Studies => 2014 => Exam Discussion => Victoria => English & EAL => Topic started by: brenden on October 29, 2014, 12:07:32 pm
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How'd you go with the two articles?! VCAA throwing curveballs this year - LA discussion here!
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It was comparative this year? Damn, this year has it hard :P
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Yeah, it had a letter to the editor as well as the main body of writing. Should have a copy of the exam up here in just a tic!
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the comparative part wasn't really what threw me, i just felt it was a pretty terrible article overall. I spent way too long on it and ended up with a pretty average piece :/
I'm reasonably happy with the other two sections but yvette yergon can fuck right off lol
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the comparative part wasn't really what threw me, i just felt it was a pretty terrible article overall. I spent way too long on it and ended up with a pretty average piece :/
I'm reasonably happy with the other two sections but yvette yergon can fuck right off lol
Same omg spent an hour and 15 minutes on the piece, so my context conclusion is like a sentence and a half because I ran out of time. :')
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That second visual looks like a goddamn GAT piece -.-
haha, I see Yvette Yergon is this year's "Helen Day" :P
What did you guys find tricky about the article?
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Only issue was that i felt that i spent too much time harping on that damn astronaut instead of the mindmap thing next to it. Oh god
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omfg I just read the comment!
"waah, why should we invest in something as cool as outer space when not everything is 100% perfect on earth. WAKE UP EVERYBODY"
Hope ya'll didn't get too opinionated and tear that guy apart like I would have.
...Dr. Peter Laikis... doctor of quackology I'll bet
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Asides from having no fucking idea what a comparative essay was or how you did it, I managed to write like Yeseragkjehag or whatever the main article guys name was he wrote like 'beautiful blue planet' then the Doctor wrote something about beautiful blue planet and said that they had differing perspectives whereby the doctor said that money should be spent otherwise, influencing the readers to get their priorities in order and to choose what has more meaning to them, disease and environment or space exploration, which he condemned or some shit.
Did anyone else find it realy hard to use tones for the first article? I felt like it was just passionate and inspiring. I wrote about nostalgia and reminiscing but idk if that was a tone it was just an idea.
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Wait so is the author Yvette Yergon a guy or girl??? :o
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omfg I just read the comment!
"waah, why should we invest in something as cool as outer space when not everything is 100% perfect on earth. WAKE UP EVERYBODY"
Hope ya'll didn't get too opinionated and tear that guy apart like I would have.
...Dr. Peter Laikis... doctor of quackology I'll bet
He obviously didn't read the article as he was pretty much saying that we shouldn't abandon Earth and go out exploring for something new when in the article it talks about how we will use space exploration to discover things that we can use to better our lives on Earth as well as the planet itself, she even had a picture of a solar cell in the article and how that came about from space exploration and that gives us an alternative energy source to fossil fuels that helps us with sustainable use of the Earth's resources....I personally though that the letter to the editor was utter bullshit and unnecessary, it should have just been the opinion piece...
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Asides from having no fucking idea what a comparative essay was or how you did it, I managed to write like Yeseragkjehag or whatever the main article guys name was he wrote like 'beautiful blue planet' then the Doctor wrote something about beautiful blue planet and said that they had differing perspectives whereby the doctor said that money should be spent otherwise, influencing the readers to get their priorities in order and to choose what has more meaning to them, disease and environment or space exploration, which he condemned or some shit.
Did anyone else find it realy hard to use tones for the first article? I felt like it was just passionate and inspiring. I wrote about nostalgia and reminiscing but idk if that was a tone it was just an idea.
Yeah I said that it transitioned from a didactic manner to a more inspiring voice. Said that the other one was based on ad-hominem and contrasted the two mainly in terms of tone and contention. Had real problems deciphering whether Yvette was a woman or a man, as I was totally unfamiliar with that name. Although I've heard of Yvonne, so I said a woman... Only had about 40 minutes for context, but felt like I connected Leunig's ideas well. Due to nerves, I forgot a quote from the local imam in the Country of Men due to forgetting his name, so I had to change it up by incorporating some history of the novel... Put a lot of work in, hopefully English turns out ok
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Wait so is the author Yvette Yergon a guy or girl??? :o
yeh fuck i had no idea, just started writing he out of force of habit
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That second visual looks like a goddamn GAT piece -.-
haha, I see Yvette Yergon is this year's "Helen Day" :P
What did you guys find tricky about the article?
Exactly what I thought with the image!
I thought there were some weird elements, just as far as there was the underlying narrative of her touring the exhibition with random tour guide quotes, the weird GAT image... I liked the letter to the editor though, I think the more "angry" language might have been accessible to a lot of people that would be freaking out about it.
Guys: the gender of the author will also be irrelevant, just in case there are some people about to be like OMFG WHAT IF THEY FAIL ME
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yeh fuck i had no idea, just started writing he out of force of habit
Didn't even bother with that shit, i just used the last name.
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That second visual looks like a goddamn GAT piece -.-
When I saw it I thought the exact same thing as well. It was so shit I could barely analyse it, I just said these are the possible resource available for extraction in the 'mining boom' if we instigate 'space exploration.'
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Any ideas for the a+ cutoff this year?
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Lool I thought the same thing when I saw the GAT-like image hahahah.
The comment was good in terms of analysing language (lucky I asked yday haha thanks Brendan)
But yeah I needed to use my dictionary since I didn't know how to spell astronaut looool and my essay was a little repetitive since I couldn't think of synonyms for 'space exploration'
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The other thing I noticed is that I think it's pretty short overall?! Anyone else feel the same way?
Any ideas for the a+ cutoff this year?
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Was just thinking about this - reckon it'll probably stay about the same. Section A and B probably easier than usual, C harder than usual, but I don't think the first two sections are enough to make it stray from the norm.
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I had no idea it was comparative, i just analysed the two pieces like you normally would, I don't believe I have even been taught how to do a comparative in class before. Am i going to die?
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The first article was just so stupid, there was nothing to it. I ended up talking so much about Christopher Columbus and comparing the two articles. Eh my worst section
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WTF Language Analysis was so easy unless I'm missing something? With the comparative essay don't you just include like 'there was an opinion piece by DR that opposes these views' and then dedicate a paragraph on it?
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I don't believe I have even been taught how to do a comparative in class before. Am i going to die?
It's alright you can do that aswell, as long as you acknowledged both articles.
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WTF Language Analysis was so easy unless I'm missing something? With the comparative essay don't you just include like 'there was an opinion piece by DR that opposes these views' and then dedicate a paragraph on it?
My understanding was that you were literally comparing the two pieces
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My understanding was that you were literally comparing the two pieces
I kind of did. ill go onto the exam and find my link brb
EDIT: I linked 'beautiful blue planet' to 'precious blue planet' then said that the doctor condemned Yvetetaektha's ideas as to where money should go, and it should go towards 'real issues' like disease and environment.
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I had no idea it was comparative, i just analysed the two pieces like you normally would, I don't believe I have even been taught how to do a comparative in class before. Am i going to die?
A MESSAGE ON THE "COMPARATIVE":
So, totally good reason to be a bit unclear on what the hell just happened. People will call it a comparative piece because, one way to integrate both of the language forms into your essay would be to compare them. However, that is not the task. The task is to analyse ways in which written and visual language is used to persuade a target audience. Nowhere in the criteria does it say "compared two things". So if you didn't compare, then you're fine; however, if you didn't mention the second bit at all, that may dent your marks ever so slightly. If you did compare, that's fine too. Point of story is: your marks are still subject to the same things they've been subject to all year - how well did you analyse language?
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A MESSAGE ON THE "COMPARATIVE":
So, totally good reason to be a bit unclear on what the hell just happened. People will call it a comparative piece because, one way to integrate both of the language forms into your essay would be to compare them. However, that is not the task. The task is to analyse ways in which written and visual language is used to persuade a target audience. Nowhere in the criteria does it say "compared two things". So if you didn't compare, then you're fine; however, if you didn't mention the second bit at all, that may dent your marks ever so slightly. If you did compare, that's fine too. Point of story is: your marks are still subject to the same things they've been subject to all year - how well did you analyse language?
Ah okay, that's better - thanks for the clarification. I did two paragraphs on the article and then one on the letter, I felt that I did a very good analysis of both (despite not including image 1 of the boat) and concluded by commenting overall on both of them.
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A MESSAGE ON THE "COMPARATIVE":
So, totally good reason to be a bit unclear on what the hell just happened. People will call it a comparative piece because, one way to integrate both of the language forms into your essay would be to compare them. However, that is not the task. The task is to analyse ways in which written and visual language is used to persuade a target audience. Nowhere in the criteria does it say "compared two things". So if you didn't compare, then you're fine; however, if you didn't mention the second bit at all, that may dent your marks ever so slightly. If you did compare, that's fine too. Point of story is: your marks are still subject to the same things they've been subject to all year - how well did you analyse language?
THANK GOD!! made me feel so much better :)
Also if you don't finish the language analysis i.e. didn't have time to write a conclusion how much will they penalize you by?
and i also I completely forgot about the first visual! Ugh I am prying for a miracle haha
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THANK GOD!! made me feel so much better :)
Also if you don't finish the language analysis i.e. didn't have time to write a conclusion how much will they penalize you by?
and i also I completely forgot about the first visual! Ugh I am prying for a miracle haha
Conclusions aren't of vital importance in an analysis, if you were going to choose to leave it out in any section it would be C, I didn't comment on that image either and it seems quite a few students didn't - I don't think there was much to it besides backing up the columbus stuff, if you did a good analysis despite that I don't think it would be of much concern.
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THANK GOD!! made me feel so much better :)
Also if you don't finish the language analysis i.e. didn't have time to write a conclusion how much will they penalize you by?
and i also I completely forgot about the first visual! Ugh I am prying for a miracle haha
Don't stress it, I didn't conclude my LA and they still gave me 19/20!
It's not ideal not to mention one of hte images, but you can still adequately satisfy the task so long as you mentioned at least one!!
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Hey Guys.
Apparently a rocket exploded this morning while we were doing the exam.
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/video/rocket-explosion-video-nasa-launch-caught-tape-supply-26525806
It seems even the universe doesn't approve of this exam.
Teehee.
;D
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I didn't talk about the second writers title as 'Dr.' damb
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I didn't talk about the second writers title as 'Dr.' damb
Haha don't worry - little things like this are inconsequential :)
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Don't stress it, I didn't conclude my LA and they still gave me 19/20!
^same. I don't think you need a proper conclusion, your analysis should naturally come to an end when you analyse the end of the piece.
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He obviously didn't read the article as he was pretty much saying that we shouldn't abandon Earth and go out exploring for something new when in the article it talks about how we will use space exploration to discover things that we can use to better our lives on Earth as well as the planet itself, she even had a picture of a solar cell in the article and how that came about from space exploration and that gives us an alternative energy source to fossil fuels that helps us with sustainable use of the Earth's resources....I personally though that the letter to the editor was utter bullshit and unnecessary, it should have just been the opinion piece...
This.
The piece was okay, but I felt as though there weren't that many techniques to analyse. But the straw that broke the camels back was the letter to the editor. I looked at that letter for a whole three minutes thinking..
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/jonah_the-f.gif)
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Hey Guys.
Apparently a rocket exploded this morning while we were doing the exam.
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/video/rocket-explosion-video-nasa-launch-caught-tape-supply-26525806
It seems even the universe doesn't approve of this exam.
Teehee.
;D
lmfao the irony. that will put ms. transgender YVETTE back in her place.
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I forgot to reference the 1st visual but analysed the 2nd to a great extent. Will my exclusion of the first matter?
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How did you guys go about analysing the more economical stance about space exploration (3rd-5th paragraph from memory)?
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lmfao the irony. that will put ms. transgender YVETTE back in her place.
LMFAO
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How did you guys go about analysing the more economical stance about space exploration (3rd-5th paragraph from memory)?
I didn't really analyse is that much. I just said that space exploration has great benefit inc. a number of resources.
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The article was much harder to analyse compared to the grow slow garden from 2013.
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That was the most boring article I've ever read in my life. I was prepared for a comparative or a more difficult piece because last year's was so easy but I still spent like 75 minutes on it and didn't finish conclusion :(
I feel like the time I spent on it didn't allow me to truly capitalise on the first two sections given how easy they were, anyone feel me?
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Section C was just rubbish, the second image had be confused for 80% of the time, and I still am confused. It looks like one image accidentally overlapped it, or whoever wrote the exam just used Microsoft paint last minute and dragged a picture of an astronaut on.
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I didn't really analyse is that much. I just said that space exploration has great benefit inc. a number of resources.
Now that I think of it, I should have omitted that section of the opinion article completely because my analysis was on par with the piece in terms of excitement
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I thought the contention of the first article was a tad ambiguous, was it just as simple as "we should fund space exploration more but do it for the benefit of humanity"?
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AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT LOVES SPACE AND WAS SO EXCITED TO SEE SPACE? IT was probably a shit article but I was so blinded by space, I get so emotionally involved and connected to these exploration things. Fuark. It was the best article for me, but it was so shit in terms of stuff to analyse the impact on the audience.
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I thought the contention of the first article was a tad ambiguous, was it just as simple as "we should fund space exploration more but do it for the benefit of humanity"?
pretty much what I said. There was a quote I threw in that was basically alongside those words.
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I thought the contention of the first article was a tad ambiguous, was it just as simple as "we should fund space exploration more but do it for the benefit of humanity"?
I had three things to say about the contention:
a) More funding for space exploration
b) Collaborative effort between governments required
c) Future prosperity of our planet may be increased if we explore space (cuz she talked about resources - gold, platinum etc, the mining boom etc from space)
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Section C was just rubbish, the second image had be confused for 80% of the time, and I still am confused. It looks like one image accidentally overlapped it, or whoever wrote the exam just used Microsoft pain last minute and dragged a picture of an astronaut on.
The image is showing all the things that we use in today's society that have come about from space exploration.
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stupid pieces, the authors of which had unnecessarily complex names. ughhh. but can someone please clarify if it was a necessity to analyse both images because i only did the GAT-like one
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The image is showing all the things that we use in today's society that have come about from space exploration.
I did not realise this lmfao. I said these resources that can be extracted represent the possibilities of space travel or something, inviting the reader to proactively engage with the article and pressure governments for funding or something.
The image is showing all the things that we use in today's society that have come about from space exploration.
My contention was for memory ... 'for governments to pull resources and collaborate on further space exploration' and to find resources and shit. I reworded the second bit better I can't remember now, but the contention was a quote for memory. I was going to include that exploration was primitive and nature for us human beings which I Read somewhere, but chose not to.
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omgggg. I thought the writer of the opinion piece was a male!!!!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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omgggg. I thought the writer of the opinion piece was a male!!!!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
same but it doesn't matter I don't think. as long as you write 'him' consistently, then it's fine. how are we meant to decipher that name? It was about space and money, I mean come on haha.
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I did not realise this lmfao. I said these resources that can be extracted represent the possibilities of space travel or something, inviting the reader to proactively engage with the article and pressure governments for funding or something.
My contention was for memory ... 'for governments to pull resources and collaborate on further space exploration' and to find resources and shit. I reworded the second bit better I can't remember now, but the contention was a quote for memory. I was going to include that exploration was primitive and nature for us human beings which I Read somewhere, but chose not to.
American Beauty, how did you find War Poems in Section A? I know this is a Section C discussion, apologies in advance.
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omgggg. I thought the writer of the opinion piece was a male!!!!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
It is entirely, 100% irrelevant whether you wrote he or she :)
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Yeah, didn't see how radial tires and food processing was directly related to space.
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I didn't find this section TOO bad...
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http://imgur.com/a/FhEcW#KoknlvO
Just had a look at the article. I think I analysed 90% of the important stuff. can I get a wool woop?
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It is entirely, 100% irrelevant whether you wrote he or she :)
Are you sure? I mean, wouldn't the assessor immediately come to the conclusion that we're incompetent and a joke?
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Are you sure? I mean, wouldn't the assessor immediately come to the conclusion that we're incompetent and a joke?
How are we meant to know the gender of a non ENGLISH name.
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not knowing the gender is fine dw, heaps of people at my school thought she (yvewhatever) was a dude as well
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Are you sure? I mean, wouldn't the assessor immediately come to the conclusion that we're incompetent and a joke?
There is no criteria box for "accurately got the gender of the foreign writer" - so I'm quite sure. They can't mark you down for something inapplicable to your writing or your ability to analyse :)
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Isn't Yvette a female name? I did write 'she' somewhere in the first paragraph I think then I stopped because I wasn't sure.
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@American Beauty, It doesn't mean you highlighted 90% of the important stuff, it means we may have both highlighted 90% of the same irrelevant information. Hopefully that's not the case!
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@American Beauty, It doesn't mean you highlighted 90% of the important stuff, it means we may have both highlighted 90% of the same irrelevant information. Hopefully that's not the case!
no hahahaa. I wasn't basing it off yours. I Was just reading through it thinking what would have to be on it and I reckon i got 90% of what I needed.
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There is no criteria box for "accurately got the gender of the foreign writer" - so I'm quite sure. They can't mark you down for something inapplicable to your writing or your ability to analyse :)
My teacher said that I am, bluntly putting it, fucked because I'll be seen as a sexist.
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Wait so is the author Yvette Yergon a guy or girl??? :o
Yvette is a girl!!! I guessed right woo. But does it even matter if you write he or she? If so they should have chosen a better name so we can tell the difference :P
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So how did everyone analyse the 2 visuals? Especially the first? Cos regardless of Columbus or not that image had little correlation with the article imo
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The moon was really big, suggesting that space is really close.
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So how did everyone analyse the 2 visuals? Especially the first? Cos regardless of Columbus or not that image had little correlation with the article imo
I only analysed the second one ooops. I hope it has little effect on the overall result
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The moon was really big, suggesting that space is really close.
Oooh I like that one. I didn't think of that. Damn.
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So how did everyone analyse the 2 visuals? Especially the first? Cos regardless of Columbus or not that image had little correlation with the article imo
For the first image, i also said that the wooden ship shown is like Columbus' ship which marks a very important event in exploration and that the overly large moon shows that space is the next step to exploration and will mark the next very important event in exploration.
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So how did everyone analyse the 2 visuals? Especially the first? Cos regardless of Columbus or not that image had little correlation with the article imo
First one I linked to Colombus travelling into the unknown with 'a ship powered by nothing (after saying boat stupid me)' and that delegates a sense of courage for readers to go into the unknown and explore, as with modern technology we are able to advance into the future and I made it seem like we were cowards if we didn't because we had it easier, i wrote it well.
the second one I linked to the mining boom, saying the potential resources include 'gps ... tires' etc. It was really shit. I was just making it seem like it showed the potential for resources and what we could make from it, allowing the readers to be proactive in adhering to Yvettes' contention.
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Yeah I talked about the courage inspired in readers by poor little Columbus braving the stormy seas in his wooden caravel (don't even know if it was a caravel though) and then the parallel drawn between that and space exploration by the fact that both images had a huge moon in the background
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Hey Guys,
For the first image, I related the large and dominate moon to the closeness of space as noted by Yvette. As for the second image, it simply showed the various products that have been the direct though unpredicted results of research associated with space programs...
I think i was on the right track... but am feeling really, really nervous about the piece all together :-[
Cheers for the awesome thread btw!
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Yeah I talked about the courage inspired in readers by poor little Columbus braving the stormy seas in his wooden caravel (don't even know if it was a caravel though) and then the parallel drawn between that and space exploration by the fact that both images had a huge moon in the background
in all the movies I've seen, it is always a sun that is set off in the distance, never a moon :P I know you can argue that it is circle but if you put on sunglasses or look through something transparent that blocks UV lights, the sun is also circle and the photo is black and white!
AHH. I just didn't recognise there was a giant moon :( Did you enjoy the article? I feel like people who knitpicked the little things are more space tolerant :) WOO FOR SPACE.
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Yeah I said it was a sun rather than moon. Can't believe that I ruined all my hard work...
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it's better than not mentioning the first image at all haha
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in all the movies I've seen, it is always a sun that is set off in the distance, never a moon :P I know you can argue that it is circle but if you put on sunglasses or look through something transparent that blocks UV lights, the sun is also circle and the photo is black and white!
I kid you not, I had the same thought when I was deciding what the"celestial object" actually was... So I decided not to sound opinionated/biased by not analysing it :P
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Yeah I said it was a sun rather than moon. Can't believe that I ruined all my hard work...
Wait, are you saying that that one thing ruined all your hard work?!? No way José
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oh i think i called it a sun too, then wrote something about it symbolising 'sailing towards a brighter/better future' - the sun representing 'hope' and all that jazz
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Hey guys,
Can anyone please mention any contrasting points they made throughout their LA? I'm really worried that i spent the majority of the time on it but messed it up anyway haha :o
Cheers ;D
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Hey guys,
Can anyone please mention any contrasting points they made throughout their LA? I'm really worried that i spent the majority of the time on it but messed it up anyway haha :o
Cheers ;D
contrasting between the two articles?
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contrasting between the two articles?
Yeap!! :)
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oh i think i called it a sun too, then wrote something about it symbolising 'sailing towards a brighter/better future' - the sun representing 'hope' and all that jazz
Almost the same thing I said.
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Yeap!! :)
Well the first article wanted money to spend on space exploration for the 'beautiful blue planet.' I used this quote as a cue as the Doctor said for this 'precious blue planet' or something along those lines. That was basically the only comparison. With the Dcotor because he wrote that in response to Yvette, I was just going on about how he condemns the expenditure for space exploration when we have 'real issues' like diseases and the environment, allowing the audience to decide what issue is more important to them.
I wrote it better but yeah, thats really all the comparison I did, it wasn't really comparing you just had to analyse, but quite naturally i compared in linking the two.
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Well for a start, I didn't analyse the titles of either because I thought they were as boring as hell and I had nothing to say about them.
For the first image, I linked it to Columbus exploring into the unknown and the unforeseen risks (i.e. the waves crashing up against the side of the boat) and the second image I discussed in light of the many potential benefits of space exploration. I said the second image was like a mind map- it stemmed from space exploration, but it also suggested that the benefits of space exploration were wide and varied, thus helping develop technologies that could assist many people in the community.
Now whenever (and if) I meet another person called Yvette, I will not be able to see them in the same way. I'll be thinking, "oh so you're the one that screwed us over in our English exam", haha.
I'm just so glad it's over tbh.
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Sun or moon or both?
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Don't stress on Sun/Moon guys. To tell the truth, I wrote a comment before saying that the image could reinforce the sense of adventure within the article bla bla, with the cloudless sky and big sun potentially evoking feelings of joy and jazz like that. Then someone commented before me like "dat moon" so I was like "lol better just delete this before I look like a spaz". -- Whatever you said, I think it should be fine so long as it demonstrates your ability to analyse visual language.
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Well for a start, I didn't analyse the titles of either because I thought they were as boring as hell and I had nothing to say about them.
first title I analysed, i thought it was really good to analyse. second i didn't even see a title.
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first title I analysed, i thought it was really good to analyse. second i didn't even see a title.
Inclusive language in the first title was nice, immediately appeals to a sense of unity
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Inclusive language in the first title was nice, immediately appeals to a sense of unity
I didn't specify unity or inclusive language, but I think I linked it to 'us moving forward into the future' and 'right now' vibe that the author was giving.
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This may put some at ease...
I scored an 8 on my LA essay in my practice exam which was graded by an external assessor even tho I failed to make the author's contention clear whoops
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Correct me if I am wrong, but even though they are two different objects basically the contention and effect remains the same (sun/moon). E.g. promoting space exploration
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first title I analysed, i thought it was really good to analyse.
I enjoyed that title as well, i talked about a common view that dreams gather beyond the clouds, so space, and that in order to explore our dreams we must also explore space. It's probably gonna be slammed, but it's just a wacky interpretation of the title that i had and thought i might as well write it up.
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Well the first article wanted money to spend on space exploration for the 'beautiful blue planet.' I used this quote as a cue as the Doctor said for this 'precious blue planet' or something along those lines. That was basically the only comparison. With the Dcotor because he wrote that in response to Yvette, I was just going on about how he condemns the expenditure for space exploration when we have 'real issues' like diseases and the environment, allowing the audience to decide what issue is more important to them.
I wrote it better but yeah, thats really all the comparison I did, it wasn't really comparing you just had to analyse, but quite naturally i compared in linking the two.
Thanks for the insight :) Mine went along the same lines, i just really struggled to find a main sticking point of persuasion haha
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Can you guys pls tell me what your contentions were?
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mine was contained in a quote towards the end of the first page along the lines of "space expedition is essential for the growth of society"
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Can you guys pls tell me what your contentions were?
For the first, "space exporation that is co-operated by all is beneficial to all" (except better expressed, hahah), second was "we should put our effort towards maintaining and repairing our earth"(which was also better expressed. :P)
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Can you guys pls tell me what your contentions were?
For the opinion piece : Space exploration should be considered funding from governments to ensure that we can all reap the benefits from it.
For the letter to the editor: We shouldn't be even thinking about space exploration before we solve current issues on Earth such as hunger and diseases.
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first title I analysed, i thought it was really good to analyse. second i didn't even see a title.
Was there even a title..? #confused
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Was there even a title..? #confused
I cried a little inside when I realised there was a title for the second one. Then I cried outside and people call me a sook still to this day.
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"Off this planet" I believe, I just included it as an example of Laikas' use of sarcasm. Did anyone feel there was just a lot of junk in there? Like the dove part and the 2 parts on the right of the first image?
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"Off this planet" I believe, I just included it as an example of Laikas' use of sarcasm. Did anyone feel there was just a lot of junk in there? Like the dove part and the 2 parts on the right of the first image?
Yeah, the article was pretty shoddy, i just dumped the dove part into my conclusion because #YOLO
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Can you guys pls tell me what your contentions were?
My contention was based around that of Yvette advocating the actions of "influential thinkers" Kolombus-21 because of human nature to explore, technological advances that are the result space related research and therefore how investing in space exploration is directly beneficial to society... And Laikis preaches the falsity of the 'illusion' of solving problems through leaving Earth and rather how we must work to solve existing issues. I'm not exactly sure how I phrased it because my brain is still fried from the exam but yeah.. something along those lines :) Lmao
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"Off this planet" I believe, I just included it as an example of Laikas' use of sarcasm. Did anyone feel there was just a lot of junk in there? Like the dove part and the 2 parts on the right of the first image?
no i neglected the dove and just said something like it is named after colombus so we have to live up to his name. manipulating articles woop
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For the opinion piece : Space exploration should be considered funding from governments to ensure that we can all reap the benefits from it.
For the letter to the editor: We shouldn't be even thinking about space exploration before we solve current issues on Earth such as hunger and diseases.
I completely agree :)
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AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT LOVES SPACE AND WAS SO EXCITED TO SEE SPACE? IT was probably a shit article but I was so blinded by space, I get so emotionally involved and connected to these exploration things. Fuark. It was the best article for me, but it was so shit in terms of stuff to analyse the impact on the audience.
Haha, I was like that as well. I also felt kind of biased towards Yergo because of that.. (｡♥‿♥｡)
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no i neglected the dove and just said something like it is named after colombus so we have to live up to his name. manipulating articles woop
I actually had no idea what the 'Dove' was referring to.
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I actually had no idea what the 'Dove' was referring to.
This exactly. The last two paragraphs of the letter felt like he repeated the 2nd paragraph over and over too
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I actually had no idea what the 'Dove' was referring to.
idk the guy was at Kolombus 21 and he asked whether the exhibition was named after colombus the explorer, and the guy said 'sort of but not really' as it was named after a 'dove' which is the international sign for peace or something along those lines. I didn't write any of that i don't know how i remember it.
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I actually had no idea what the 'Dove' was referring to.
The dove is a symbol of piece meaning that Kolumbus-21 is all about space exploration on peaceful terms.
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The dove is a symbol of piece meaning that Kolumbus-21 is all about space exploration on peaceful terms.
I got that bit. There was something about it being the name of a group. Unless that was the Kolumbus-21 group. Either way, it seemed a bit unnecessary and confusingly worded.
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Tone transitions of the first article: reflective tone of admiration. Opens in the second person "not as far as you might think", "if you live in Victoria" (analyse connotations of language and links between issue and proximity to the audience here).
Then at the 4th paragraph(?), the one about government incentives, the tone becomes a pragmatic, and slightly more cynical one "there needs to be more than" "huge amount of money" etc.
The second 'article' moved from a sarcastic tone, to a condemnatory tone and then concluded with a pragmatic tone.
I could rewrite my response if people are interested? Pretty sure I tore this language analysis to shreds, LA is always generally my strongest. Text on the other hand.....
ALSO: LANGUAGE ANALYSIS CONCLUSIONS ARE UNNECESSARY!!!! YOU DON'T HAVE AN ARGUMENT, what the hell are you concluding???
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Omg lol! Now I got Big M all over my bed!
@Sparked
I didn't even attempt a conclusion. ::) #YOLO
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Tone transitions of the first article: reflective tone of admiration. Opens in the second person "not as far as you might think", "if you live in Victoria" (analyse connotations of language and links between issue and proximity to the audience here).
Then at the 4th paragraph(?), the one about government incentives, the tone becomes a pragmatic, and slightly more cynical one "there needs to be more than" "huge amount of money" etc.
The second 'article' moved from a sarcastic tone, to a condemnatory tone and then concluded with a pragmatic tone.
I could rewrite my response if people are interested? Pretty sure I tore this language analysis to shreds, LA is always generally my strongest. Text on the other hand.....
ALSO: LANGUAGE ANALYSIS CONCLUSIONS ARE UNNECESSARY!!!! YOU DON'T HAVE AN ARGUMENT, what the hell are you concluding???
I didn't see any of these tonal changes, and still don't. But i commend you, sir.
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I didn't see any of these tonal changes, and still don't. But i commend you, sir.
Seconded. Regardless, as long as you provide evidence and analysis I suppose you can justify yourself
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This is true! All about justification.
In writing "space exploration has been on my mind" the possessive "my" carries the reflective tone. Language such as participle "inspiring" etc. continues that.
The state as a whole doesn't generally pick tone super perceptively (as reflected by the Examiner's Reports) so do NOT stress. Regardless, out of everybody's hands now!
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I just think that people are overreacting. We have to remind ourselves of the requirements: did you analyse language? If so, great! 10 for you, Glen Coco.
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I just think that people are overreacting. We have to remind ourselves of the requirements: did you analyse language? If so, great! 10 for you, Glen Coco.
You go glen coco.
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I just think that people are overreacting. We have to remind ourselves of the requirements: did you analyse language? If so, great! 10 for you, Glen Coco.
Also as well, you've got to remember it is impossible to analyse everything in 60 minutes in a deep way. So, stop being concerned if you forgot the dove or something like that. The English exam is done and dusted - there's no point dwelling and stressing about something that can't be changed :) Instead, just chill out and when you feel ready, keep studying for the rest of your exams.
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Sample response - enjoy!
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Sample response - enjoy!
a little long for a language analysis don't you think? We wrote similar things, yours just had more polish so I'm happy, and i spoke less about the technical metalanguage.
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a little long for a language analysis don't you think? We wrote similar things, yours just had more polish so I'm happy, and i spoke less about the technical metalanguage.
Yeah certainly. My aim wasn't to produce a realistic, under-excruciating-exam-conditions response, just wanted to suggest how one could analyse the material!
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I think in a way it's a tad difficult to predict how people go on Sec C because everybody can have a focus on different aspects of the text, yet if their analysis is still deep and relates to the MC, it may not matter so much if you miss out on commenting on one small technique. Will be interesting to see how VCAA marks the comparative analysis though (would you even call it a comparative?). Does anybody know how VCAA approached marking the 2011 LA?
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Yeah certainly. My aim wasn't to produce a realistic, under-excruciating-exam-conditions response, just wanted to suggest how one could analyse the material!
Thanks Peter for the sample response!
So you're saying it wouldn't have been realistic for anyone to have written under that standard in the actual exam? Also, do you think the sample piece would have been a 10 if you wrote it on the exam? Just trying to gauge what a 10 looks like..
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Thanks for the sample response: your piece highlights, however, the problems I have with conclusions.
You seem to be presenting an opinion as to the merits of the pieces? That's not really analysing language, is it?
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Thanks Peter for the sample response!
So you're saying it wouldn't have been realistic for anyone to have written under that standard in the actual exam? Also, do you think the sample piece would have been a 10 if you wrote it on the exam? Just trying to gauge what a 10 looks like..
Attached is a re-write of what I wrote in the 2012 exam - pretty close to exact (had an inspection of scripts, memorised what I wrote after already having re-wrote what I could remember immediately after the exam - let's just say I had the foresight to know it would be useful one day and leave it at that without calling me a gigantic nerd).
Scored 19/20, you can see that it is very imperfect but still hits the criteria.
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Attached is a re-write of what I wrote in the 2012 exam - pretty close to exact (had an inspection of scripts, memorised what I wrote after already having re-wrote what I could remember immediately after the exam - let's just say I had the foresight to know it would be useful one day and leave it at that without calling me a gigantic nerd).
Scored 19/20, you can see that it is very imperfect but still hits the criteria.
This is beyond helpful. Good to see the standard somewhat more objectively. Thank you :)
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This is beyond helpful. Good to see the standard somewhat more objectively. Thank you :)
You're welcome :)
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Thanks Peter for the sample response!
So you're saying it wouldn't have been realistic for anyone to have written under that standard in the actual exam? Also, do you think the sample piece would have been a 10 if you wrote it on the exam? Just trying to gauge what a 10 looks like..
Considering you roughly have 60 minutes each Section, I don't think you could write an odd 1,400 words in that time-frame. That's really hard for me to judge - thought if it gives you reassurance, I scored 20/20 on last year's English exam (ordered my Statement of Marks).
Thanks for the sample response: your piece highlights, however, the problems I have with conclusions.
You seem to be presenting an opinion as to the merits of the pieces? That's not really analysing language, is it?
Funny you say that because last year my teacher said the exact same thing. I think I might be oblivious to it or it just lies in my style of writing but yeah, I guess everyone writes differently and has different ways of analysing language, so I don't know how to respond.
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Considering you roughly have 60 minutes each Section, I don't think you could write an odd 1,400 words in that time-frame. That's really hard for me to judge - thought if it gives you reassurance, I scored 20/20 on last year's English exam (ordered my Statement of Marks).
Congrats on the 20/20.
Any chance you would be willing to tell us what you got for your other sections?
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Considering you roughly have 60 minutes each Section, I don't think you could write an odd 1,400 words in that time-frame. That's really hard for me to judge - thought if it gives you reassurance, I scored 20/20 on last year's English exam (ordered my Statement of Marks).
Funny you say that because last year my teacher said the exact same thing. I think I might be oblivious to it or it just lies in my style of writing but yeah, I guess everyone writes differently and has different ways of analysing language, so I don't know how to respond.
Nah wasn't talking about word length; more so quality. And your writing is stellar, no wonder you got a 10. Thanks again!
Attached is a re-write of what I wrote in the 2012 exam - pretty close to exact (had an inspection of scripts, memorised what I wrote after already having re-wrote what I could remember immediately after the exam - let's just say I had the foresight to know it would be useful one day and leave it at that without calling me a gigantic nerd).
Scored 19/20, you can see that it is very imperfect but still hits the criteria.
Thanks for this as well! Really helpful!
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Congrats on the 20/20.
Any chance you would be willing to tell us what you got for your other sections?
Thanks! Section A was 19/20, B 17/20
Nah wasn't talking about word length; more so quality. And your writing is stellar, no wonder you got a 10. Thanks again!
Thanks for this as well! Really helpful!
I think the quality would be expected. I've been teaching Section C throughout the year so it's definitely refined my skills but I wouldn't say that they're much different from when I sat the exam. When I was typing up this sample, I didn't really have to think about it, it came as I wrote. Thanks a lot though for your words!
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Sample response - enjoy!
Hi again,
Do you think that talking about the target audience is an important part of a LA?
Because you don't seem to reference it much at all, and I didn't really either in the Exam today. However some of my friends swear by it. So it would be lovely to hear your thoughts on it.
:o
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Hi again,
Do you think that talking about the target audience is an important part of a LA?
Because you don't seem to reference it much at all, and I didn't really either in the Exam today. However some of my friends swear by it. So it would be lovely to hear your thoughts on it.
:o
As in something like: "Yvette mainly directs her article at young adults and the like who may also be interested in space exploration but have never pursued the thought, in attempt to empower and stimulate their interests?"
I don't think it's an important part of LA. Once again, the task is to analyse the use of language - if you do this then there is no reason why the examiner won't give you a 10. Recognising or deducing the target audience just shows your understanding of the context of the piece, which is only a minor concern. If you show skill in analysis, you shouldn't be penalised for just missing out on mentioning the target audience.
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As in something like: "Yvette mainly directs her article at young adults and the like who may also be interested in space exploration but have never pursued the thought, in attempt to empower and stimulate their interests?"
I don't think it's an important part of LA. Once again, the task is to analyse the use of language - if you do this then there is no reason why the examiner won't give you a 10. Recognising or deducing the target audience just shows your understanding of the context of the piece, which is only a minor concern. If you show skill in analysis, you shouldn't be penalised for just missing out on mentioning the target audience.
Thanks so much!
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As in something like: "Yvette mainly directs her article at young adults and the like who may also be interested in space exploration but have never pursued the thought, in attempt to empower and stimulate their interests?"
I don't think it's an important part of LA. Once again, the task is to analyse the use of language - if you do this then there is no reason why the examiner won't give you a 10. Recognising or deducing the target audience just shows your understanding of the context of the piece, which is only a minor concern. If you show skill in analysis, you shouldn't be penalised for just missing out on mentioning the target audience.
It is an opinion piece in a news article. I said the target audience would just be people who had a vested interest in adhering to foreign ideas to further their knowledge of the world around them.
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It is an opinion piece in a news article. I said the target audience would just be people who had a vested interest in adhering to foreign ideas to further their knowledge of the world around them.
To me, the target audience is minor. It doesn't contribute much to the main, overarching task of language analysis - but it certainly does help to have an idea when talking about intended effect on specific stakeholders.
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Well you can thank me, because I predicted a comparative this year ;)
Language Analysis PREDICTIONS... Comparative
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Well you can thank me, because I predicted a comparative this year ;)
Language Analysis PREDICTIONS... Comparative
I'm not thanking you! You jinxed the worst thing ever! I still wouldn't really call it comparative though, you're just analysing two articles. Comparison isn't a requirement.
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I'm not thanking you! You jinxed the worst thing ever! I still wouldn't really call it comparative though, you're just analysing two articles. Comparison isn't a requirement.
It is technically still called a comparative though.
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Still can't get over it lmao :)
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Still can't get over it lmao :)
That picture will go down in history #Yvettetheaspiringspaceexplorerinlalaloopsyland #Drlaikistho #Wakeupwoman #Wiggles #Lazytownsonginoneofthespisodes
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what's the 5 main points of the article..and how to take a note form summary
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There was one point.
Dr Laikis is amazing.
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what's the 5 main points of the article..and how to take a note form summary
for EAL? You don't really need 5 main point, just 3 is probably enough. Can't distinctly remember what I wrote but I think they were about: 1. the history and achievements 2. the advantages of exploring space (in economics, daily life ) etc etc, cant remember what's the third point is. Have a look at previous VCAA report to have rough idea of the note form summary, basically just choosing important information and present them in dot points and symbols.
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I legit looked at Section C and laughed :) Couldn’t believe VCAA did the comment thing again. I’m just glad that school gave us experience with writing on 2 texts with our SAC at school for language analysis so wasn’t too bad. Had to write more than I would have wanted to though because of the second text - but ultimately my timing still worked with an hour per piece.
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for EAL? You don't really need 5 main point, just 3 is probably enough. Can't distinctly remember what I wrote but I think they were about: 1. the history and achievements 2. the advantages of exploring space (in economics, daily life ) etc etc, cant remember what's the third point is. Have a look at previous VCAA report to have rough idea of the note form summary, basically just choosing important information and present them in dot points and symbols.
must i write on 2 text?
because it only asks us to write on the first one OR second OR both
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must i write on 2 text?
because it only asks us to write on the first one OR second OR both
For the Note form summary, you only write on the main text, I remember there is a line on the exam telling you not to do note form on text 2 but text 1 only. The essay is of course on both texts.