Post by: Joseph41 on April 26, 2018, 02:02:09 pm
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Hey all!
So, as you may know, the UMAT for 2018 is on 25 July. Use this thread for any general questions and random discussion before and after (not during, haha) the UMAT.
Some general UMAT resources:
* Cookiedream's guide to the UMAT (really recommend this one!)
* UMAT information and tips
* UMAT resources and links
UMAT videos:
The 3-2 rule:
The 4-1 rule:
Correlation and causation:
Superimposition questions:
Ternary graphs:
Post by: Lear on July 10, 2018, 02:33:03 pm
Post by: peter.g15 on July 10, 2018, 10:40:16 pm
Been so quiet this year. How is everyone's preparations going?
I only just saw this thread - superrrr quiet!
It's going pretty well I think... I've done 6.5 exams (the half exam from MedEntry if you're wondering about the 0.5). Probably going to do one or two more exams before the actual one and then just revise the questions and improve on small bits and pieces. I'm aiming for like a 85th percentile+ since I'm going for Monash :)
I think it'll all come down to time management and nerves on the day, so I hope it all goes well haha.
How's your prep going?
Post by: lazaward on July 11, 2018, 09:45:25 am
Post by: Lear on July 11, 2018, 10:00:33 am
I only just saw this thread - superrrr quiet!
It's going pretty well I think... I've done 6.5 exams (the half exam from MedEntry if you're wondering about the 0.5). Probably going to do one or two more exams before the actual one and then just revise the questions and improve on small bits and pieces. I'm aiming for like a 85th percentile+ since I'm going for Monash :)
I think it'll all come down to time management and nerves on the day, so I hope it all goes well haha.
How's your prep going?
Hey!
I’ve also done only around 6-7 exams. I find my Medentry percentiles fluctuate around the 70s unfortunately. Haven’t seen much improvement in terms of percentiles but my total score out of 134 seems to be improving. Which section do you find most challenging? I personally am dreading section 3. I’ve heard that in recent years mapping has become less and less useful and questions are more focused on things such as positional changes and transformations.
I am also aiming for Monash. However, I heard we at least need the ~90th percentile to have a chance along with a 99+ ATAR. So my aim is just around the 90th percentile
@lazaward
Identical elements are indeed typically tough questions. There is also definitely isn’t much information online.
These are my steps typically with them.
1. Map out all of the positions on one diagram
2. Look for a very simple movement - 1,1,1,1, -1,-1,-1,-1, +2,+2,+2,+2. Often exam writers put a very simple pattern for atleast one object as they also know these questions are quite difficult. I doubt they ever do something crazy like 0,1,2,3 and -1,+2,-3+4 for an identical object question.
3. If I can’t find any, try applying the ‘Even Odd’ rule. I am really bad at using this. It only helps me determine if the pieces are following a 3-2 split or a 5-5 split between even and odd positions. It barely ever helps me find a pattern.
4. Guess and check until I feel it is taking too much time.
5. If I still do not have an answer just skip it. Put down my best guess (using 3-2 rule if possible). It is really not worth as there are likely easier questions in the exam that are more worthy of my time.
Post by: userrrname on July 11, 2018, 11:02:18 am
Post by: Lear on July 11, 2018, 11:12:58 am
Section 1 is absolutely disgusting. I'm trying so hard to be positive but some questions are SO long that it takes me at least 5 mins just to understand the question (and sometimes I don't). Are passages really lengthy in the actual UMAT? And what's the most common section 1 question (e.g argument, table, graph etc)?
Apparently diagram and data questions made up the majority of questions last year. There were still however those logic puzzle type questions. Section 1 can be quite time consuming. I try not to feel guilty of spending like 3 mins just reading the info by telling myself that there are like 3-5 questions relating to it anyway.
If you can spend 5 mins reading information and then be able to answer all 3-5 questions in succession without looking back, I think it should be fine.
Post by: userrrname on July 11, 2018, 11:29:53 am
Post by: Lear on July 11, 2018, 11:33:44 am
That's actually reassuring since diagram and data questions are somewhat easier (keyword) then those really lengthy puzzle questions. You know, the ones that give you chunks of information and a couple of diagrams and figures and then asks a seemingly simple question. Like some puzzle logical questions are short and present a couple of rules but some are just time wasting!! But apparently harder questions scale up or something like that so we can't completely disregard them...
That is not true and is simply a rumour. According to acer themselves, 'All questions have the same value; therefore by attempting
as many questions as possible you stand the best chance ofmaximising your score. '
Post by: userrrname on July 11, 2018, 11:46:12 am
Post by: Lear on July 11, 2018, 11:56:45 am
That's what I thought, but someone mentioned that it would be illogical if everything was worth the same. There are more section 1 questions then the other two and every section is out of 100. Unless the calculation is really weird, and somehow out of 100 is something different to what we think, which also seems plausible.Maybe all questions for each section is worth the same?
Im not sure. I've heard in general that 90/134 is usually 90th percentile while 100/134 is high 90s or even 100th.
Post by: peter.g15 on July 11, 2018, 01:26:11 pm
Hey!
I’ve also done only around 6-7 exams. I find my Medentry percentiles fluctuate around the 70s unfortunately. Haven’t seen much improvement in terms of percentiles but my total score out of 134 seems to be improving. Which section do you find most challenging? I personally am dreading section 3. I’ve heard that in recent years mapping has become less and less useful and questions are more focused on things such as positional changes and transformations.
I am also aiming for Monash. However, I heard we at least need the ~90th percentile to have a chance along with a 99+ ATAR. So my aim is just around the 90th percentile
I think I'm just dreading some weird section 3 questions where there's a certain piece and it undergoes some transformations to result in a new piece (looks like a multiplication symbol if you know what I'm talking about). For some reason they take a while for me but hopefully i can improve on that.
Really? I've seen people get interviews with like a 99+ atar with high 70s and 80s! But then they do really well on the interview and get in, so not too sure haha. I guess aiming for the best is all you can do in the end
Post by: pha0015 on July 11, 2018, 02:20:22 pm
Post by: Lear on July 11, 2018, 03:19:22 pm
how are you guys doing on the practice acer papers (if that's not too much to ask)?
I thought I did pretty well on exam 3 (ACER) getting a 94/134. Then I put my results into medentry and it told me I got like 30th percentile or something LOL.
I hope it’s just that people abuse the medentry percentile thing by putting in all the right answers or something. Otherwise that’s quite depressing.
Post by: LifeisaConstantStruggle on July 11, 2018, 07:29:13 pm
Really? I've seen people get interviews with like a 99+ atar with high 70s and 80s! But then they do really well on the interview and get in, so not too sure haha. I guess aiming for the best is all you can do in the end
85+ percentile gives you a good edge in securing an interview if you're able to get a 99 ATAR. (Personal anecdote, I got exactly 85 in UMAT)
Can't fathom the enthusiasm of doing UMAT papers though DAMN, you guys are gonna do well.
Post by: peter.g15 on July 11, 2018, 10:19:00 pm
85+ percentile gives you a good edge in securing an interview if you're able to get a 99 ATAR. (Personal anecdote, I got exactly 85 in UMAT)
Can't fathom the enthusiasm of doing UMAT papers though DAMN, you guys are gonna do well.
I don't know if anyone can be enthusiastic doing UMAT papers hahaha. Certainly not me! I cannot wait for it to be all done!
Also, just to let people know, admission tickets were released today on your ACER accounts :)
Post by: pha0015 on July 11, 2018, 11:13:03 pm
I thought I did pretty well on exam 3 (ACER) getting a 94/134. Then I put my results into medentry and it told me I got like 30th percentile or something LOL.
I hope it’s just that people abuse the medentry percentile thing by putting in all the right answers or something. Otherwise that’s quite depressing.
That's a good score - should be around 90th percentile, at least according to this table that I got from a medentry paper (conflict in percentiles is weird)- I didn't take the course so I have no idea what my percentiles are. From doing dodgy free papers and a friend's medentry drills, I've been fluctuating from 30-80% (percentage not percentile) which scares me to death.
ACER practice papers - wise, I've been doing alright-ish. Do the papers get harder (i.e. 1- easy, 4 - hard)? I've only done the first two and the first additional practice questions, in which I've gotten 116, 98 (let there be a reason for the drop in my percentage) and 49/61 respectively. Are these decent scores?
Post by: Zaljc on July 12, 2018, 09:20:07 am
I’m improving in my scores but my percentile is decreasing. I swear medentry just decreases your self-confidence, even if you hear people getting 30’s and scoring a 90 on the the actual UMAT :,(
Post by: Lear on July 12, 2018, 09:52:12 am
If I get 70/134 in the UMAT, approximately what would be my percentile?
I’m improving in my scores but my percentile is decreasing. I swear medentry just decreases your self-confidence, even if you hear people getting 30’s and scoring a 90 on the the actual UMAT :,(
In the actual UMAT this obviously depends on how good everyone else is. But apparently recent years have shown a 90/134 is a ~90th. Also apparently most kids tend to get atleast 50-60/134 regardless of difficulty so I think a 70/134 might only be a 60-70th percentile unfortunately.
Also, I wouldn’t worry about percentiles in med entry as people on this forum have said they have received pretty bad percentiles in medentry only to go on and smash the actual UMAT.
Post by: Juves on July 12, 2018, 10:38:17 am
In the actual UMAT this obviously depends on how good everyone else is. But apparently recent years have shown a 90/134 is a ~90th.
Hi Lear, thanks for the info. Was wondering where you found the stats for umat performances in the recent years? Thank you.
Post by: Zaljc on July 12, 2018, 12:43:09 pm
In the actual UMAT this obviously depends on how good everyone else is. But apparently recent years have shown a 90/134 is a ~90th. Also apparently most kids tend to get atleast 50-60/134 regardless of difficulty so I think a 70/134 might only be a 60-70th percentile unfortunately.
Also, I wouldn’t worry about percentiles in med entry as people on this forum have said they have received pretty bad percentiles in medentry only to go on and smash the actual UMAT.
If a 70/134 is around a 70th percentile in the actual UMAT I’m happy because that’s what Medentry is telling me I’m going to get and Medentry is so competitive. Who are these people anyway? The ones getting 99 in the Medentry? Because y’all are crazy
Post by: dk1015 on July 16, 2018, 08:53:49 pm
Exam 1: 108/134
Exam 2: 102/134
Exam 3: 109/134
I'm kind of worried since apparently my exam 1 had so many careless errors, any tips?. Also was wondering if exam 3 was in fact the closest to the real exam. If it is similar, what percentile is that roughly? And considering I get a 98.00 ATAR, is it likely that i will get an interview (preferably monash) ?
Thanks!
Post by: Quantum44 on July 17, 2018, 02:54:05 am
My results so far for the acer exams:
Exam 1: 108/134
Exam 2: 102/134
Exam 3: 109/134
I'm kind of worried since apparently my exam 1 had so many careless errors, any tips?. Also was wondering if exam 3 was in fact the closest to the real exam. If it is similar, what percentile is that roughly? And considering I get a 98.00 ATAR, is it likely that i will get an interview (preferably monash) ?
Thanks!
That’s solid. I wouldn’t be able to give you a percentile indication given that ACER practice exams are usually easier than the real thing, but you’re going pretty well. I wouldn’t be too worried about careless mistakes. Obviously you should try to minimise them by being careful, but the key to the UMAT is to just get through it and make sure you give every question a crack since the time pressure is very real. With a 98~ ATAR, you’d be in an ok position for getting interviews, but you’d definitely want a UMAT of at least 90th percentile (preferably higher) to have a chance at Monash (assuming you are non-rural and don’t have any bonuses).
Post by: lazaward on July 18, 2018, 07:09:47 pm
Post by: zaynab123 on July 18, 2018, 07:42:49 pm
Post by: Calebark on July 18, 2018, 08:35:50 pm
hey, I'm a year 11 student and I'm quite interested in studying medicine at monash. I'm eligible for a really good SEAS application I just was wondering if I would get any special consideration in terms of UMAT and ATAR because I've heard that its only for rural and indigenous students. (sorry for posting here I know its not that relevant to this thread)
Well your SEAS will help with the ATAR component. Other than that, you could be eligible for the Monash Guarantee, where you are guaranteed an interview for a small amount of reserved spots provided you pass the ATAR/UMAT threshold. I can't remember the requirements, but they'll be on the link I provided. I think it was an ATAR of 95.00 and a minimum of 50 in each section of the UMAT
Entry to this course is based on a combination of ATAR, UMAT and interview. You cannot be guaranteed an offer for this course. We have reserved some places for Monash Guarantee students who would not otherwise have been offered a place, and have the strongest results across the range of criteria. You must have undertaken the UMAT and achieved a minimum of 50 for each of the three sections.
Post by: pha0015 on July 18, 2018, 09:03:45 pm
Well your SEAS will help with the ATAR component. Other than that, you could be eligible for the Monash Guarantee, where you are guaranteed an interview for a small amount of reserved spots provided you pass the ATAR/UMAT threshold. I can't remember the requirements, but they'll be on the link I provided. I think it was an ATAR of 95.00 and a minimum of 50 in each section of the UMAT
Entry to this course is based on a combination of ATAR, UMAT and interview. You cannot be guaranteed an offer for this course. We have reserved some places for Monash Guarantee students who would not otherwise have been offered a place, and have the strongest results across the range of criteria. You must have undertaken the UMAT and achieved a minimum of 50 for each of the three sections.
Although the minimum is 50 per section, you have to get above the threshold of 175/300 if memory serves, which is equivalent to approximately 87th percentile. As for the ATAR, the minimum required is 94.
Post by: Lear on July 18, 2018, 09:19:12 pm
Does anyone have advice on how to improve with timing? Is it just learning to skip questions I probably won’t get correct? Coz I don’t understand how it’s possible to attempt every single question wholeheartedly in 3 hours.
I’ve been consistently finishing my medentry exams lately and I have to credit my success to my break down of time.
1st - Section 2 - 30 minutes (do 10-15 questions in reading time)
2nd - Section 1 - 80 minutes
3rd - Section 3 - 60 minutes
Section 1 tends to be the most time heavy section and thus needs the most time. If you can effectively do Section 2 during reading as well finishing in 30 minutes is not difficult. An hour for section 3 was also perfect for me. Plus this way you have an extra 10 minutes for any section that you may need extra time for :)
Post by: pha0015 on July 18, 2018, 09:22:17 pm
I’ve been consistently finishing my medentry exams lately and I have to credit my success to my break down of time.
1st - Section 2 - 30 minutes (do 10-15 questions in reading time)
2nd - Section 1 - 80 minutes
3rd - Section 3 - 60 minutes
Section 1 tends to be the most time heavy section and thus needs the most time. If you can effectively do Section 2 during reading as well finishing in 30 minutes is not difficult. An hour for section 3 was also perfect for me. Plus this way you have an extra 10 minutes for any section that you may need extra time for :)
How much reading time do you get in the actual UMAT? Is it 10 minutes? Also, aren't the sections scrambled up in the UMAT, so you can't go about doing it section by section? I guess it;s easy enough to recognise which question belongs to which section but then you run the chance of shading in the wrong bubbles.
Post by: sarangiya on July 18, 2018, 11:52:59 pm
How much reading time do you get in the actual UMAT? Is it 10 minutes? Also, aren't the sections scrambled up in the UMAT, so you can't go about doing it section by section? I guess it;s easy enough to recognise which question belongs to which section but then you run the chance of shading in the wrong bubbles.Yes, 10 minutes.
Yes, the sections are scrambled.
I only noticed after doing the ACER test but I'm pretty quick by section and pushing for time when they are scrambled. For that reason, I think I will approach it by, as you say, recognising which question is which.
The risk of shading the wrong bubble is there. The other risk with this method is that if you run out of time and you've only done two sections, the last section you attempt might have be affected negative due to nerves/not being able to finish on time. And that will jeopardise admission chance into 50-50-50 universities if the score is really botched.
My solution to this would be appropriate time management. After each hour, even if you're not done with the section you're on, you should move on. That way you will attempt every section to a reasonable extent.
Post by: lazaward on July 19, 2018, 07:04:50 am
Post by: Lear on July 19, 2018, 07:37:28 am
Is the 50/50/50 rule about percentiles or raw score?
So on your ATAR results you receive a score for each section out of 100. No one knows exactly
what that score means and how ACER calculates it, but all 3 of these Section scores add up to give you a score out of 300. From this your overall Umat score is calculated.
The 50/50/50 rule means that you must receive at least a score of 50 in all 3 sections.
Post by: Lear on July 19, 2018, 07:40:11 am
How much reading time do you get in the actual UMAT? Is it 10 minutes? Also, aren't the sections scrambled up in the UMAT, so you can't go about doing it section by section? I guess it;s easy enough to recognise which question belongs to which section but then you run the chance of shading in the wrong bubbles.
There is indeed 10 minutes of reading time. The sections are also scrambled, however I personally believe it is worth going Section by section. Especially for section 2 and 3 I would rather be in the mindset for either understanding people or recognising patterns for a set amount of time instead of switching between them. That is why I prefer Section by Section. There also is a risk of shading in the wrong bubble, but I’ve used the medentry printable bubble sheet for a few exams and have not run into many problems.
Post by: vcestressed on July 21, 2018, 06:05:46 pm
Post by: Quantum44 on July 21, 2018, 10:54:58 pm
Does anyone have any tips in being calm at the venue? I feel like I'm going to feel more anxious before the test than during the test. :-\
You generally have to sit in silence at the venue for at least half an hour before they start the test, so it’s understandably difficult to remain calm. I think the key is to try and clear your mind and stay positive and optimistic. You just have to believe you’ve done the best preparation you could have done and trust yourself to follow through.
Post by: userrrname on July 21, 2018, 11:12:38 pm
You generally have to sit in silence at the venue for at least half an hour before they start the test, so it’s understandably difficult to remain calm. I think the key is to try and clear your mind and stay positive and optimistic. You just have to believe you’ve done the best preparation you could have done and trust yourself to follow through.Sit for half an hour?! Why? Is it to check our tickets or something?
Post by: crawlingvines on July 22, 2018, 01:25:23 am
Post by: Lear on July 22, 2018, 06:54:36 am
Sit for half an hour?! Why? Is it to check our tickets or something?
Probably takes a long time to get each and every person sat down and ready to do the test. Depending on what order you come in it could indeed be a while.
First time poster and long time lurker here. Does anyone know if clear plastic pencil cases are allowed, along with mechanical pencils?
Not sure about pencil case but I emailed ACER and they have confirmed Mechanical pencils are allowed.
Mod edit: merged double post --Calebark
Post by: not.yet.a.nerd on July 22, 2018, 08:54:06 am
Not sure about pencil case but I emailed ACER and they have confirmed Mechanical pencils are allowed.
Mechanical pencils allowed? Sweet, I heard someone say not to bring one in case it gets confiscated, but if acer says yes, then I'm bringing it. Gets me through most of my sacs and exams 8)
Post by: Lear on July 22, 2018, 11:23:17 am
Post by: 3.14159265359 on July 23, 2018, 05:14:30 pm
Post by: vcestressed on July 23, 2018, 05:49:54 pm
do they give us scrap paper or something to do our working out on? because I heard that apparently you cant write on the question bookletYou can write on the question booklet, but just not during the reading time
Post by: 3.14159265359 on July 24, 2018, 12:17:25 pm
Post by: not.yet.a.nerd on July 24, 2018, 12:55:58 pm
do our parents have to come with us? are there any forms they have to fill out for us? or can we go alone?
All you need to show to get in is your admission ticket and identification. You can definitely go by yourself if you want! :)
Post by: not.yet.a.nerd on July 24, 2018, 12:58:21 pm
Post by: 3.14159265359 on July 24, 2018, 02:13:30 pm
All you need to show to get in is your admission ticket and identification. You can definitely go by yourself if you want! :)
You can write on the question booklet, but just not during the reading time
sweet! thanks :)
Post by: Apricot on July 24, 2018, 02:55:31 pm
Post by: Lear on July 24, 2018, 08:48:08 pm
Try to stay calm and remember you don’t need to get every single question right to get 100th percentile. Be smart with your time :)
Post by: sarangiya on July 24, 2018, 09:14:43 pm
Post by: Quantum44 on July 24, 2018, 10:06:10 pm
Does anyone know how acer 'scrambles' the questions? If everyone gets a different variant of the exam, are we given randomised questions from a pool of different ones, or just the same questions in a different order?
There are 134 questions on each person’s exam, however ACER creates a larger pool of questions, some of which will only be given to certain people. Of course, all the questions are in a scrambled order as well to prevent cheating off other people.
Post by: userrrname on July 24, 2018, 10:10:21 pm
There are 134 questions on each person’s exam, however ACER creates a larger pool of questions, some of which will only be given to certain people. Of course, all the questions are in a scrambled order as well to prevent cheating off other people.Are these other questions given to people randomly? And do they count as part of you scores?
Post by: Quantum44 on July 24, 2018, 10:13:59 pm
Are these other questions given to people randomly? And do they count as part of you scores?
Yeah they’re given randomly, I’m sure ACER don’t profile you and tell the people at the venue which test takers to receive which papers, they should have a large enough sample size to work with for each optional question.
I’m not sure as to whether these optional questions are in fact test questions which don’t count towards your score as well, but in the end it doesn’t really matter, you just have to keep that in the back of your mind so you don’t end up wasting too much time on a particularly perplexing problem.
Post by: userrrname on July 24, 2018, 10:19:22 pm
Yeah they’re given randomly, I’m sure ACER don’t profile you and tell the people at the venue which test takers to receive which papers, they should have a large enough sample size to work with for each optional question.Oh alright, that makes sense. Provides some comfort knowing that maybe that one question you didn't answer may not even count. But it would be pretty annoying to actually answer some of those questions and not real questions.. anyway good luck to all!
I’m not sure as to whether these optional questions are in fact test questions which don’t count towards your score as well, but in the end it doesn’t really matter, you just have to keep that in the back of your mind so you don’t end up wasting too much time on a particularly perplexing problem.
Post by: Zaljc on July 25, 2018, 12:28:14 pm
Post by: Joseph41 on July 25, 2018, 12:30:19 pm
Just finished the UMAT, who else guessed?
Congrats! How'd you go? :)
Post by: Zaljc on July 25, 2018, 12:35:36 pm
Congrats! How'd you go? :)
Better than Medentry, maybe equal to ACER’s fourth exam. I don’t know, I feel like UMAT is 40% luck and 60% knowledge and skills
It was okay overall. But I’m hoping that I didn’t stuff section 1 up because I found that the hardest as it was time consuming to read
Post by: Zaljc on July 25, 2018, 02:53:16 pm
Post by: Lear on July 25, 2018, 03:21:04 pm
Post by: lazaward on July 25, 2018, 03:44:28 pm
Post by: lazaward on July 25, 2018, 03:45:02 pm
Post by: not.yet.a.nerd on July 25, 2018, 04:19:43 pm
Didn’t anyone else find it quite accurate to both medentry and acer?
I didn't use medentry but I definitely agree it was similar to Acer's practice exams. If anyone is reading this and planning on sitting umat in 2019- make sure you not only finish the acer exams (1 & 3 in particular because they have worked solutions) but understand how to do all the questions!! There were several s3 questions that were almost the exact same questions as from the practice ones.
Post by: lazaward on July 25, 2018, 04:33:41 pm
I didn't use medentry but I definitely agree it was similar to Acer's practice exams. If anyone is reading this and planning on sitting umat in 2019- make sure you not only finish the acer exams (1 & 3 in particular because they have worked solutions) but understand how to do all the questions!! There were several s3 questions that were almost the exact same questions as from the practice ones.Yeah I honestly didn’t think it was much different, I think the reason people think acer is easier is because they get too nervous on the actual day
Post by: Quantum44 on July 25, 2018, 05:01:23 pm
Btw, will they give us an exact date when results will be released? Like how long do we have to wait until they tell us the release date?
It will probably be mid-September and is always released on a Friday. Last year it was super early, but it doesn’t really matter as long as they give you enough time before the deadlines for tertiary preferences in all the states.
Post by: Zaljc on July 25, 2018, 11:09:26 pm
It will probably be mid-September and is always released on a Friday. Last year it was super early, but it doesn’t really matter as long as they give you enough time before the deadlines for tertiary preferences in all the states.
Okay, so I’m predicting 14th of sept. Would they send us an email a week before saying that our results are going to be released?
Post by: sarangiya on July 25, 2018, 11:22:05 pm
Okay, so I’m predicting 14th of sept. Would they send us an email a week before saying that our results are going to be released?2 days before my birthday... #bye
Post by: Zaljc on July 26, 2018, 12:03:38 am
2 days before my birthday... #bye
Hopefully it’s not in the afternoon that results come out, because everyone will be at school.
*EDIT* just looked at the 2017 results and most of them got their results at 11:30 lol. If it comes out at the time, idk if I wanna go to school. Rather cry at home.
Post by: Lear on July 26, 2018, 06:36:54 am
Post by: Joseph41 on July 26, 2018, 09:17:57 am
Many people come out feeling they did bad. I wouldn’t worry too much just yet
One of those things where I'm sure it'd be pretty difficult to know straight off the bat.
Post by: Joseph41 on September 06, 2018, 12:34:38 pm
Post by: personwhoisindameh on September 06, 2018, 02:52:38 pm
also - can i do an undergraduate degree next year and still do umat? :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
Post by: Juves on September 06, 2018, 03:54:50 pm
Post by: emmasc on September 06, 2018, 04:28:01 pm
Post by: Lyra7 on September 06, 2018, 06:29:12 pm
I got a 90 and above 50 all sections
As you can see my atar was 99 so I think you can be hopefuly but things change year to year.
Just want to take the opportunity to say congratulations to everyone for having a shot at it and even if you are disappointed hopefully you feel you can learn from the experience. I know it might be a blow and seems very absolute, and its fine to feel upset, the key is that a month from now hopefully you feel a teeny bit less upset at it all.
Post by: vcestressed on September 06, 2018, 08:05:49 pm
I hope everyone else on AN did better!
Post by: Quantum44 on September 06, 2018, 09:32:12 pm
Im really devastated. I got 63 and was just wondering if there is any chance of me getting into med this year? is ther any hope?
also - can i do an undergraduate degree next year and still do umat? :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
You still have a good shot at JCU and bond (if you are willing to pay) as they don’t look at UMAT. If you are expecting a very high ATAR then UoM, USyd, Griffith and Flinders are on the cards.
If you start another course, you can sit the UMAT again and apply for JCU, UNSW, WSU and JMP as a non-standard. There are also a number of internal transfer pathways the exist in certain unis.
Hi all, I got an 88 on my umat, clearing all 50's for the three sections. Was wondering what atar I need to get to achieve an interview? Thank you all!
Assuming you don’t have any bonuses, a ~98 ATAR should snag you an interview at Monash, although you’d need higher to give yourself a good shot at getting a place.
Hey everyone! I got 90 and above 50 on all sections so what kind of ATAR would I need to get an interview? Thanks!
Again, ~98 should be enough for a Monash interview.
You know when you're so damn close but just miss it? That's me right now. So devastated. All that hard work down the drain. Been having mental breakdowns all day but I'll get over it.
I hope everyone else on AN did better!
Don’t be too disappointed, the UMAT is really insignificant in the scheme of things, and if you got close there’s always hope. I know quite a few people who thought their UMAT would destroy their chances of getting into undergrad med but managed to work hard for their ATAR and still get in. Hell, I thought the 50/50/50 rule had ruined my chances but I looked interstate and managed to get in. There’s always other opportunities and it really doesn’t matter if you if it takes you a year or two longer to get into med whether that be via postgrad med or through a transfer. It’s ok to be a bit sad but you should use this to motivate you to smash your ATAR!
Post by: yesmynammeismgk on September 06, 2018, 11:40:41 pm
I expect my ATAR to be somewhere near the low 99's.
Thanks!
Post by: Quantum44 on September 07, 2018, 01:56:28 am
Hello, I got a 90th percentile with greater than 50 for each, what ATAR should I be aiming for a good chance at obtaining a spot at monash?
I expect my ATAR to be somewhere near the low 99's.
Thanks!
Honestly low 99s should give you a good shot at getting a place as long as you do decently in your interview
Post by: VceBookworm on September 07, 2018, 07:15:33 am
Would u be able to suggest with my UMAT being 86th and above 50s s1/s2/s3 which uni is willing to accept with Estimatrd ATAR between 98-99 ?
Post by: Quantum44 on September 07, 2018, 02:11:11 pm
Thanks for replying to all concerns.
Would u be able to suggest with my UMAT being 86th and above 50s s1/s2/s3 which uni is willing to accept with Estimatrd ATAR between 98-99 ?
You should get interviews at most unis with a decent shot if your ATAR is closer to 99
Post by: lucky88 on September 07, 2018, 05:36:21 pm
Sorry if this is a stupid question...if I enrol in Monash course, say Pharmacy, am I still able to sit for UMAT during my course?
Thanks guys
Post by: Herman on September 07, 2018, 05:40:34 pm
Do you have to sit the UMAT if you go into bachelors of science or bachelors of biomedicine ?
Cheers
Post by: lm21074 on September 07, 2018, 05:45:57 pm
Haha guys I am in year 9 and I just wanted to ask you guys something.
Do you have to sit the UMAT if you go into bachelors of science or bachelors of biomedicine ?
Cheers
If you go into either you cannot sit the UMAT as you are only eligible to do it if you have not commenced an undergraduate degree. Don't worry too much about it now! :) You've got plenty of time.
edit: some unis do transfers. sorry about that :/
Post by: Herman on September 07, 2018, 06:24:51 pm
I just want to become a doctor and I thought you needed to sit the UMAT for it.
Before you become a doctor, you need to complete one of the bachelors that I mentioned above
Post by: Quantum44 on September 08, 2018, 12:26:57 am
Wait are those the degrees that need those high ATAR scores such as 98 and 99.5 right.
I just want to become a doctor and I thought you needed to sit the UMAT for it.
Before you become a doctor, you need to complete one of the bachelors that I mentioned above
To get into an undergraduate medical degree such as the one at Monash, it’s based on ATAR, UMAT and interview. To get into a postgraduate medical degree such as the one at Melbourne uni, you must complete a bachelors degree (doesn’t matter which one as long as you fulfill the prerequisites although it’s usually science/biomed) and entrance is based on GPA, GAMSAT and interview.
Post by: Herman on September 08, 2018, 12:55:57 pm
I understand the fact that it depends on the uni though.
Thanks
Post by: Quantum44 on September 08, 2018, 01:44:37 pm
Ohh so I can complete a bachelor in either biomedicine or science and then I can go onto completing an undergraduate degree.
I understand the fact that it depends on the uni though.
Thanks
A bachelor of biomedicine or a bachelor of science is your undergraduate degree, and if you do the prerequisite subjects and the GAMSAT, you can then go on to do a postgraduate medical degree. However some universities offer undergraduate degrees in medicine, so there’s no need to do a biomed or science degree beforehand and you can go straight from school into medicine (although this is generally dependent on your UMAT score).
Post by: Bell9565 on September 08, 2018, 04:46:07 pm
If you go into either you cannot sit the UMAT as you are only eligible to do it if you have not commenced an undergraduate degree. Don't worry too much about it now! :) You've got plenty of time.
I thought there were some unis which would accept you if you into undergraduate medicine after commencing another undergraduate degree. I think JCU and some NSW unis do but I'm not sure as I'm not based out that way and aren't a uni student (yet) either! I could be wrong but yeah
Post by: Quantum44 on September 08, 2018, 04:54:03 pm
I thought there were some unis which would accept you if you into undergraduate medicine after commencing another undergraduate degree. I think JCU and some NSW unis do but I'm not sure as I'm not based out that way and aren't a uni student (yet) either! I could be wrong but yeah
This is correct. JCU, UNSW, JMP and WSU accept students with a tertiary record based on GPA, UMAT (except JCU) and interview. There are also internal transfer pathways such as at Adelaide and Curtin.
Post by: paulthekiller123 on September 10, 2018, 09:33:25 pm
Post by: Bell9565 on September 10, 2018, 09:46:05 pm
Guys i have a question. On Monash's website, it states that you need a study score of at least 35 in English to get into med. Does this also apply to English language or will i need to do english ONLY?It's 30 for English, English Language & Literature, and 35 for EAL I'm 99% sure
Post by: chriskesh23 on September 10, 2018, 09:59:27 pm
Cheers!
Post by: Syndicate on September 11, 2018, 02:02:03 pm
hey guys, after receiving a devastating umat score which will not get me an interview at any uni, what are my next best options considering my predicted ATAR is supposedly around 96-97?
Cheers!
you can always go for biomedicine at UoM :P
Post by: chriskesh23 on September 11, 2018, 02:51:18 pm
you can always go for biomedicine at UoM :Pwhat are the chances of getting in thru post grad (gamsat) pathway ?
Post by: Lear on September 11, 2018, 06:11:33 pm
If you want a very rough estimate, UoM claims that 1/3 of their biomedicine students gain a spot in MD.
Post by: chriskesh23 on September 11, 2018, 07:21:29 pm
Obviously depends on a number of factors such as your GPA and GAMSAT score. Then it goes onto interview performance.yeah of course, many factors contribute. But how may biomed students do biomed with the intention on getting into MD?
If you want a very rough estimate, UoM claims that 1/3 of their biomedicine students gain a spot in MD.
Post by: Lear on September 11, 2018, 08:20:05 pm
Post by: Quantum44 on September 11, 2018, 09:19:00 pm
Obviously depends on a number of factors such as your GPA and GAMSAT score. Then it goes onto interview performance.
If you want a very rough estimate, UoM claims that 1/3 of their biomedicine students gain a spot in MD.
Maybe that was the case when biomed had a higher ATAR cut off and smaller cohort, but now there are almost 1000 students doing biomed and most of them want to do med, so your chances aren’t great.
Post by: Lear on September 12, 2018, 07:46:58 am
Post by: Secc119 on September 14, 2018, 12:14:33 am
Post by: Sine on September 14, 2018, 12:23:38 am
Is the Biomed cohort at UoM actually that big? I heard it was like 400 or somethingdepends on which year it is. I know it used to be only 450 students only a couple years ago and yes ~150 got into MD @ UoM and possibly others got in elsewhere.
It used to be quite a prestigous course at UoM but cutoffs have dropped recently and thus the cohort size has doubled so the percentage which get's into dent/law/med etc will be lowered.