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Uni Stuff => Universities - Victoria => University of Melbourne => Topic started by: dejan91 on December 28, 2009, 03:27:18 pm
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Do the breadth subjects you complete count for anything after you've graduated? Like for example if you did breadth in engineering or something and stuck with it for the whole three years, would it be recognized in any way by employers or is it there to just uselessly fill in time? (sorry, excuse the word uselessly, I can't think of a better word atm, but you get my drift hopefully..)
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I think the intention of it is for students to graduate in a specialised area whilst also having broad knowledge in other topics.
Really I just see the breadth as an information subject. Something you learn just for the sake of learning and knowing. It doesn't seem to directly help with your degree. Unless of course you do breadth subjects that are kind of related to what you do. Like studying the History of Mathematics as a breadth whilst doing a maths major in bachelor of science
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Well that's what I mean, is it just learning 'for the sake of learning and knowing'? Or does it get recognised like a 'bachelor of......... with breadth in ........"
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i guess alot of ppl choose their breadth subjects based on what they feel might give them some enjoyment and relaxation from their regular course, try to make a hobby out of it etc etc
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If you do a certain sequence of breadth subjects, it can lead to a mini major/minor :D
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Yeah, if you do 6 breadth subjects all in the same discipline, that would count as a minor (and you'd be credited for that minor, which means that you could work in that area, I guess) and if you did an extra, non-required breadth subject (so, 7 in one discipline) that's a major, I'm pretty sure. Other than that, it's a degree requireemnt at Melbourne, so no breadth, no degree.
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Ok well, yeah, so you are credited with something in that situation. This Melbourne Model stuff confuses me :s but I'm willing to give it a go lol it does seem pretty cool. I'm realllllly indecisive and have no idea where I want to go or what I want to study exactly (reason why I chose Melbourne over Monash :P )
Something just occurred to me: Because there is less time for commerce related subjects, doesn't that mean BComm graduates at Melbourne are less educated than their Monash or other University counterparts??
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Ok well, yeah, so you are credited with something in that situation. This Melbourne Model stuff confuses me :s but I'm willing to give it a go lol it does seem pretty cool. I'm realllllly indecisive and have no idea where I want to go or what I want to study exactly (reason why I chose Melbourne over Monash :P )
Something just occurred to me: Because there is less time for commerce related subjects, doesn't that mean BComm graduates at Melbourne are less educated than their Monash or other University counterparts??
If we approach this logically, assuming each uni offers 8 subjects a semester. If doing it at Monash, you would complete 3x8 commerce subjects therefore 24 subjects in your degree. If at Melbourne, you would complete 3x6 commerce subjects meaning you only completed 18 commerce subjects in your degree. Based on this you would be less educated in commerce at Melbourne. However this doesn't take into account the actual content of each subjects. Melbourne might have more advanced subjects therefore you'd learn more there than at Monash. Also you can take breadth subjects slightly related to commerce areas, so you wouldn't really be disadvantaged.
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Ok well, yeah, so you are credited with something in that situation. This Melbourne Model stuff confuses me :s but I'm willing to give it a go lol it does seem pretty cool. I'm realllllly indecisive and have no idea where I want to go or what I want to study exactly (reason why I chose Melbourne over Monash :P )
Something just occurred to me: Because there is less time for commerce related subjects, doesn't that mean BComm graduates at Melbourne are less educated than their Monash or other University counterparts??
If we approach this logically, assuming each uni offers 8 subjects a semester. If doing it at Monash, you would complete 3x8 commerce subjects therefore 24 subjects in your degree. If at Melbourne, you would complete 3x6 commerce subjects meaning you only completed 18 commerce subjects in your degree. Based on this you would be less educated in commerce at Melbourne. However this doesn't take into account the actual content of each subjects. Melbourne might have more advanced subjects therefore you'd learn more there than at Monash. Also you can take breadth subjects slightly related to commerce areas, so you wouldn't really be disadvantaged.
Well that makes sense :) 24 vs. 18 does seem slightly disadvantageous... The thing is, it's not me being 'deprived' of education in commerce that I'm worried about, it's what employers think about it. But I guess in reality, Melbourne no doubt did some research before implementing these 'New Generation' degrees about employers wants, etc..
Interestingly enough, the Wikipedia page for Melbourne said this:
Various groups, including trade and student unions, a handful of academics, and some students have expressed criticism of the Melbourne Model, citing job and subject cuts, and a risk of 'dumbing down' content.
As far as I can see, employers haven't been complaining. It's the students and staff who will be affected by the change. Or is it too simple to say that?
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As far as I know, UoM still has professional accreditation for all their degrees. They also have their reputation, and in many cases, a reputation is what helps you get a job. I don't see any real disadvantage in gaining employment. Really the model only affects what you want to study. I didn't pick UoM as I wanted to study only science/engineering subjects and not other subjects. It's why I chose Monash. However both Uni's have accreditation and would make little difference in gaining employment
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Ok well, yeah, so you are credited with something in that situation. This Melbourne Model stuff confuses me :s but I'm willing to give it a go lol it does seem pretty cool. I'm realllllly indecisive and have no idea where I want to go or what I want to study exactly (reason why I chose Melbourne over Monash :P )
Something just occurred to me: Because there is less time for commerce related subjects, doesn't that mean BComm graduates at Melbourne are less educated than their Monash or other University counterparts??
If we approach this logically, assuming each uni offers 8 subjects a semester. If doing it at Monash, you would complete 3x8 commerce subjects therefore 24 subjects in your degree. If at Melbourne, you would complete 3x6 commerce subjects meaning you only completed 18 commerce subjects in your degree. Based on this you would be less educated in commerce at Melbourne. However this doesn't take into account the actual content of each subjects. Melbourne might have more advanced subjects therefore you'd learn more there than at Monash. Also you can take breadth subjects slightly related to commerce areas, so you wouldn't really be disadvantaged.
Well that makes sense :) 24 vs. 18 does seem slightly disadvantageous... The thing is, it's not me being 'deprived' of education in commerce that I'm worried about, it's what employers think about it. But I guess in reality, Melbourne no doubt did some research before implementing these 'New Generation' degrees about employers wants, etc..
Interestingly enough, the Wikipedia page for Melbourne said this:
Various groups, including trade and student unions, a handful of academics, and some students have expressed criticism of the Melbourne Model, citing job and subject cuts, and a risk of 'dumbing down' content.
As far as I can see, employers haven't been complaining. It's the students and staff who will be affected by the change. Or is it too simple to say that?
I don't actually think employers care about the actual amount of information you have attained during university. I think they are more attracted towards the skills you have acquired (e.g-problem solving, team work skills, negotiation skills). Sure if you want to do accounting, you will do an accounting major, but a lot of the information required can be learnt on the job. Don't think a lot of people actually retain a lot of the info from uni as a lot of it is crammed in a month before exams. And I guess this is the point of the Melbourne Model; to try and give you different ways of thinking about and attacking certain situations. Although admittedly, quite a few subjects are very general and are undertaken by students who just want a bludge subject.
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Ok well, yeah, so you are credited with something in that situation. This Melbourne Model stuff confuses me :s but I'm willing to give it a go lol it does seem pretty cool. I'm realllllly indecisive and have no idea where I want to go or what I want to study exactly (reason why I chose Melbourne over Monash :P )
Something just occurred to me: Because there is less time for commerce related subjects, doesn't that mean BComm graduates at Melbourne are less educated than their Monash or other University counterparts??
If we approach this logically, assuming each uni offers 8 subjects a semester. If doing it at Monash, you would complete 3x8 commerce subjects therefore 24 subjects in your degree. If at Melbourne, you would complete 3x6 commerce subjects meaning you only completed 18 commerce subjects in your degree. Based on this you would be less educated in commerce at Melbourne. However this doesn't take into account the actual content of each subjects. Melbourne might have more advanced subjects therefore you'd learn more there than at Monash. Also you can take breadth subjects slightly related to commerce areas, so you wouldn't really be disadvantaged.
Well that makes sense :) 24 vs. 18 does seem slightly disadvantageous... The thing is, it's not me being 'deprived' of education in commerce that I'm worried about, it's what employers think about it. But I guess in reality, Melbourne no doubt did some research before implementing these 'New Generation' degrees about employers wants, etc..
Interestingly enough, the Wikipedia page for Melbourne said this:
Various groups, including trade and student unions, a handful of academics, and some students have expressed criticism of the Melbourne Model, citing job and subject cuts, and a risk of 'dumbing down' content.
As far as I can see, employers haven't been complaining. It's the students and staff who will be affected by the change. Or is it too simple to say that?
I don't actually think employers care about the actual amount of information you have attained during university. I think they are more attracted towards the skills you have acquired (e.g-problem solving, team work skills, negotiation skills). Sure if you want to do accounting, you will do an accounting major, but a lot of the information required can be learnt on the job. Don't think a lot of people actually retain a lot of the info from uni as a lot of it is crammed in a month before exams. And I guess this is the point of the Melbourne Model; to try and give you different ways of thinking about and attacking certain situations. Although admittedly, quite a few subjects are very general and are undertaken by students who just want a bludge subject.
yeah, just to back up what kopite said, employers will be more than willing to teach you on the job provided you have good "fundemental" skills
the melbourne model gets SO MUCH crtitism but it can be quite usefull to have a broader knowledge and range of skills
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oh and just another point-the 24 v 18 commerce subject comparison is somewhat flawed. if you do an accounting major at melbourne, a few subjects that are required for that particular major are actually taken from the law department, thus counting as breadth, yet monash will also (i'm assuming) have a few subjects related to business+tax law that are compulsory for their accounting major (probably?). thus the difference in the number of commerce subjects you take is not as great as six subjects, i don't think.
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With breadth, the commerce faculty put together streams for people to do a collection on meaningful subjects. I have chosen to do a personal finance stream and its going to be great as I get to do a bit of maths along with learning how to make the right personal financial decisions.
With breadth as long as you do 6 breadth subjects (where you do at least one 3rd year breadth subject), you will satisfy the breadth requirements.
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Ok, so you're saying that uni's focus more on equipping you with the right personal, communication, problem solving, etc, etc skills because employers are looking more for that then the actual theory behind your studies (not that this is unimportant..). If so, then the Melbourne Model and its objectives make perfect sense. It's just my only concern was how your breadth studies would be recognised academically.You know, so employers can see and appreciate what other skills you've acquired in addition to those of your main area of study. And in saying that, QuantumJG, my concern wouldn't be whether I met the requirements of breadth studies or not. :P
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Ok, so you're saying that uni's focus more on equipping you with the right personal, communication, problem solving, etc, etc skills because employers are looking more for that then the actual theory behind your studies (not that this is unimportant..). If so, then the Melbourne Model and its objectives make perfect sense. It's just my only concern was how your breadth studies would be recognised academically.You know, so employers can see and appreciate what other skills you've acquired in addition to those of your main area of study. And in saying that, QuantumJG, my concern wouldn't be whether I met the requirements of breadth studies or not. :P
pretty much. i'm not sure about how your breadth studies are actually academically recognised, although i know for a fact that i get a minor in chemical systems within my commerce degree for my breadth sequence. apparently employers look at the subjects you undertake rather than your actual majors (don't know if this is entirely correct tho, just something i heard from a friend); which means, that even if you don't receive a minor for ur breadth sequences, employers would still take your breadth subjects into account.
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Ok, so you're saying that uni's focus more on equipping you with the right personal, communication, problem solving, etc, etc skills because employers are looking more for that then the actual theory behind your studies (not that this is unimportant..). If so, then the Melbourne Model and its objectives make perfect sense. It's just my only concern was how your breadth studies would be recognised academically.You know, so employers can see and appreciate what other skills you've acquired in addition to those of your main area of study. And in saying that, QuantumJG, my concern wouldn't be whether I met the requirements of breadth studies or not. :P
pretty much. i'm not sure about how your breadth studies are actually academically recognised, although i know for a fact that i get a minor in chemical systems within my commerce degree for my breadth sequence. apparently employers look at the subjects you undertake rather than your actual majors (don't know if this is entirely correct tho, just something i heard from a friend); which means, that even if you don't receive a minor for ur breadth sequences, employers would still take your breadth subjects into account.
Ahhhh see, now that's what I wanted to hear. I'll talk to the uni people about it more later on, but just wanted some peace of mind for the time being.
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Just wondering, are you sure Kopite that employers even CARE, I can't imagine employers even UNDERSTANDING what subjects you did.... they just want to see a Certificate or whatever qualifications you have, and ask some questions of "why do you want to work here, what have you got to offer" sort of thing????
I am just GUESSING, not saying anybody's wrong here or anything, but this is what I always thought.
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Just wondering, are you sure Kopite that employers even CARE, I can't imagine employers even UNDERSTANDING what subjects you did.... they just want to see a Certificate or whatever qualifications you have, and ask some questions of "why do you want to work here, what have you got to offer" sort of thing????
I am just GUESSING, not saying anybody's wrong here or anything, but this is what I always thought.
yeah true, personally i cant see employers doing a whole lot of research into what u actually did at uni lol
that is unless they REALLY wanna hire you
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Well in that case I'm sure they'd be familiar with what type of qualification UoM offers (depth + breadth) so I guess it wold benefit you either way with them knowing you 100% have skills outside your chosen field.
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Well in that case I'm sure they'd be familiar with what type of qualification UoM offers (depth + breadth) so I guess it wold benefit you either way with them knowing you 100% have skills outside your chosen field.
i guess so
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With breadth I think it's more to just get you studying out of your main area and to just learn about other things. It's probably so you can enter the working world with a broader knowledge and not be restricted to your comfort zone and be able to tackle different things. I'm pretty sure employers would like to see someone who has that quality.
I wasn't ready to go into a new area (like I mean in VCE I did 2 maths and 2 sciences and English was compulsory), so I did finance to do a little maths and to learn about how to handle money.
If you used breadth to learn a language you could say at an interview that you can speak --, that would win you kudos.
I personally love the uni and decided to give breadth a go. I have never regretted my decision.
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Just wondering, are you sure Kopite that employers even CARE, I can't imagine employers even UNDERSTANDING what subjects you did.... they just want to see a Certificate or whatever qualifications you have, and ask some questions of "why do you want to work here, what have you got to offer" sort of thing????
I am just GUESSING, not saying anybody's wrong here or anything, but this is what I always thought.
yeah true, personally i cant see employers doing a whole lot of research into what u actually did at uni lol
that is unless they REALLY wanna hire you
My cousin was applying for a job and the employer did research into the BAND that he was in and watched them play on YouTube. If you're applying for Maccas, no the employers won't care, but if you want a decent job, employers will do their research.
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^ Are you serious? That's really a large measure ><
But I guess its understandable since its Music related, these days artists are out to get discovered via myspace, youtube, tv shows, live gigs etc.
Drama and "arts" are similar, they would be interested to see your works, and performances.
But for other professions such as science, humanities, business etc, they can't exactly "youtube you" LOL.
Guess it depends on how tech-savy the employer is
But they do look a lot at experience.
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Oh really :/
Well lucky for him/her nothing wrong with being in a band haha, its the cases where people have a myspace or whatever and psot things about their boss =P
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^^ Lolll that is reallly wierd for an empoyer to do that. But hey, he got the job didn't he? :P
Anyway, on the topic of languages, I was wondering how they incorporate diplomas into your degree? I wanted to do a diploma of languages in Japanese and it says they're co-current, so I'm assuming they just slot it in amongst your course subjects and so you have less free time or something. That's just my guess. Anyone know the exact procedure?
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yeah i think its as u just said, so maybe like an extra subject each semester or something
but id like to know how it really works too (ill most likely be doing that too)
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Ohhh yeah another Melbourne man *Hi five*. Yeah well that's the only logical thing I could think of so it must be it. What is a diploma anyway? I know it's a lower qualification, but it functions similar to a degree right?
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Ohhh yeah another Melbourne man *Hi five*. Yeah well that's the only logical thing I could think of so it must be it. What is a diploma anyway? I know it's a lower qualification, but it functions similar to a degree right?
yeah sounds like a lower degree to me too
but knowing a language will improve ur job prospects quite alot so you should do it
haha UoM FTW!
VN seems to be full of monash students lol
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Just wondering, are you sure Kopite that employers even CARE, I can't imagine employers even UNDERSTANDING what subjects you did.... they just want to see a Certificate or whatever qualifications you have, and ask some questions of "why do you want to work here, what have you got to offer" sort of thing????
I am just GUESSING, not saying anybody's wrong here or anything, but this is what I always thought.
yeah true, personally i cant see employers doing a whole lot of research into what u actually did at uni lol
that is unless they REALLY wanna hire you
My cousin was applying for a job and the employer did research into the BAND that he was in and watched them play on YouTube. If you're applying for Maccas, no the employers won't care, but if you want a decent job, employers will do their research.
like i said, heard it from a friend. don't know if it is entirely true, and i may have took what he said out of context, because we were talking about whether i should pursue a double (finance/economics) or single major (finance), and he may have been trying to make the point that majors (in commerce) don't matter as much as the subjects that you do (obviously employers will recognise subjects within their own area rather than breadth subjects). hope that made sense.
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If you like, you could consider doing a diploma in addition to your undergrad degree. For example, to get a Diploma in Languages, you could take languages as your breadth, as well as a few other required to gain the diploma. Check out the link above
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If you like, you could consider doing a diploma in addition to your undergrad degree. For example, to get a Diploma in Languages, you could take languages as your breadth, as well as a few other required to gain the diploma. Check out the link above
Ohh mannnn does the diploma take subjects from your breadth?? I thought it was commerce subs + breadth in something + extra subs for diploma :S
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If you like, you could consider doing a diploma in addition to your undergrad degree. For example, to get a Diploma in Languages, you could take languages as your breadth, as well as a few other required to gain the diploma. Check out the link above
Ohh mannnn does the diploma take subjects from your breadth?? I thought it was commerce subs + breadth in something + extra subs for diploma :S
I'm pretty sure that it doesn't have to take subjects from your breadth. You'll be at Uni a year longer if it doesn't though.
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If you like, you could consider doing a diploma in addition to your undergrad degree. For example, to get a Diploma in Languages, you could take languages as your breadth, as well as a few other required to gain the diploma. Check out the link above
Ohh mannnn does the diploma take subjects from your breadth?? I thought it was commerce subs + breadth in something + extra subs for diploma :S
I'm pretty sure that it doesn't have to take subjects from your breadth. You'll be at Uni a year longer if it doesn't though.
Hmmm interesting... even if I decide on doing a Masters course after three years? (So the diploma extends and is co-current with the Masters)
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If you like, you could consider doing a diploma in addition to your undergrad degree. For example, to get a Diploma in Languages, you could take languages as your breadth, as well as a few other required to gain the diploma. Check out the link above
Ohh mannnn does the diploma take subjects from your breadth?? I thought it was commerce subs + breadth in something + extra subs for diploma :S
I'm pretty sure that it doesn't have to take subjects from your breadth. You'll be at Uni a year longer if it doesn't though.
Hmmm interesting... even if I decide on doing a Masters course after three years? (So the diploma extends and is co-current with the Masters)
I don't think you'll be able to do the Masters course until you finish both the Bachelor and the diploma (4 years all up if you don't use breadth subjects). I think there's a bunch of sample diploma timetables on the UoM site.
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If you like, you could consider doing a diploma in addition to your undergrad degree. For example, to get a Diploma in Languages, you could take languages as your breadth, as well as a few other required to gain the diploma. Check out the link above
Ohh mannnn does the diploma take subjects from your breadth?? I thought it was commerce subs + breadth in something + extra subs for diploma :S
I'm pretty sure that it doesn't have to take subjects from your breadth. You'll be at Uni a year longer if it doesn't though.
Hmmm interesting... even if I decide on doing a Masters course after three years? (So the diploma extends and is co-current with the Masters)
I don't think you'll be able to do the Masters course until you finish both the Bachelor and the diploma (4 years all up if you don't use breadth subjects). I think there's a bunch of sample diploma timetables on the UoM site.
Ok, damn... Well I'm really not in the mood to spend six years at uni lol. I'll just talk to them and see what they can do I guess.
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If you like, you could consider doing a diploma in addition to your undergrad degree. For example, to get a Diploma in Languages, you could take languages as your breadth, as well as a few other required to gain the diploma. Check out the link above
Ohh mannnn does the diploma take subjects from your breadth?? I thought it was commerce subs + breadth in something + extra subs for diploma :S
I'm pretty sure that it doesn't have to take subjects from your breadth. You'll be at Uni a year longer if it doesn't though.
Hmmm interesting... even if I decide on doing a Masters course after three years? (So the diploma extends and is co-current with the Masters)
I don't think you'll be able to do the Masters course until you finish both the Bachelor and the diploma (4 years all up if you don't use breadth subjects). I think there's a bunch of sample diploma timetables on the UoM site.
Ok, damn... Well I'm really not in the mood to spend six years at uni lol. I'll just talk to them and see what they can do I guess.
Yeah but if you are good enough then you could fast track it to finish both degrees under three years
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oh and just another point-the 24 v 18 commerce subject comparison is somewhat flawed. if you do an accounting major at melbourne, a few subjects that are required for that particular major are actually taken from the law department, thus counting as breadth, yet monash will also (i'm assuming) have a few subjects related to business+tax law that are compulsory for their accounting major (probably?). thus the difference in the number of commerce subjects you take is not as great as six subjects, i don't think.
This is true. Principles of Business Law, Corporate Law, and Taxation Law must all be taken if you want to major in accounting, and can be done so as breadth subjects. Even if the Melbourne Model didn't exist those units would still be required, so it's really more like 21 v 24.
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Yeah but if you are good enough then you could fast track it to finish both degrees under three years
How is that? Would you just work much harder?
oh and just another point-the 24 v 18 commerce subject comparison is somewhat flawed. if you do an accounting major at melbourne, a few subjects that are required for that particular major are actually taken from the law department, thus counting as breadth, yet monash will also (i'm assuming) have a few subjects related to business+tax law that are compulsory for their accounting major (probably?). thus the difference in the number of commerce subjects you take is not as great as six subjects, i don't think.
This is true. Principles of Business Law, Corporate Law, and Taxation Law must all be taken if you want to major in accounting, and can be done so as breadth subjects. Even if the Melbourne Model didn't exist those units would still be required, so it's really more like 21 v 24.
I'm assuming this is only for the accounting major though. If you chose a finance major, it would be a different story, right?
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Yeah you're right. But really, a knowledge of law in the business world would be quite useful wouldn't you agree? Even if I wasn't doing an accounting major, I'd still take those subjects because of their relevance to the workplace.
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Yeah you're right. But really, a knowledge of law in the business world would be quite useful wouldn't you agree? Even if I wasn't doing an accounting major, I'd still take those subjects because of their relevance to the workplace.
depending on how high you intend to climb the corporate ladder, knowing at least whats legal and whats not could really save yourself some money or time behind bars
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Yeah you're right. But really, a knowledge of law in the business world would be quite useful wouldn't you agree? Even if I wasn't doing an accounting major, I'd still take those subjects because of their relevance to the workplace.
depending on how high you intend to climb the corporate ladder, knowing at least whats legal and whats not could really save yourself some money or time behind bars
Yes that's true, that's true. However, University wouldn't be the only time and place you'd get to learn about law, etc in the business world (it would just be convenient...which, I guess, is what you're really saying lol...)
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Quote from: Edmund on January 11, 2010, 01:35:03 PM
Yeah but if you are good enough then you could fast track it to finish both degrees under three years
How is that? Would you just work much harder?
Refer to page 12 of this PDF http://tinyurl.com/yc3zxkw with regards to the structure for fast-tracking the dip lang. From what I can tell, you start doing 3rd-yr level classes, that contribute to your "core" program, in second year - you would probably need solid academic results in your core classes to allow for this. This way, you can cram in more language subjects at third year. Note that this is cross-credited to the diploma and your degree.
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Well from what I can see, it still compromises your bachelor program (core and breadth). I don't think that would work for me, because I'm looking to do a Master of Engineering after the BComm and so I need an engineering sequence in breadth... I just refuse to believe there is NO way of leaving the core and breadth subjects alone and still do the diploma. Why can't you complete the diploma out of the BComm contact hours...?
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Why can't you complete the diploma out of the BComm contact hours...?
Unless I've misread something, you can (for BComm at least.) You just have to make sure that you begin the diploma at first year. This is made clear on page 13 of the PDF.
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Why can't you complete the diploma out of the BComm contact hours...?
Unless I've misread something, you can (for BComm at least.) You just have to make sure that you begin the diploma at first year. This is made clear on page 13 of the PDF.
You can keep your core and your breadth and do a diploma of languages as well if you extend your degree by one year. But from 2010, you CANNOT commence the diploma of languages until 2nd year, so you reclaim your 6 breadth subjects from 2nd to 4th year at melbourne. Additionally, you cannot commence the diploma in 2nd year unless you have successfully completed 2 units of the language you intend to study.
For example - here is what I intend to do.
1st year: commerce subject, commerce subject, commerce subject, french (x2)
2nd year: commerce subject, commerce subject, creative writing, french (x2)
3rd year: commerce subject, commerce subject, creative writing, french (x2)
4th year: commerce subject, commerce subject, creative writing, french (x2)
So by the end of the 4th year I will have done 18 commerce subjects, 8 french subjects (diploma) and 6 creative writing subjects (which if you think about it is the same amount of breadth subjects you would get usually).
I hope this helps. This information can be confirmed on the website.
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You can keep your core and your breadth and do a diploma of languages as well if you extend your degree by one year. But from 2010, you CANNOT commence the diploma of languages until 2nd year, so you reclaim your 6 breadth subjects from 2nd to 4th year at melbourne. Additionally, you cannot commence the diploma in 2nd year unless you have successfully completed 2 units of the language you intend to study.
Do I understand correctly? You must take 2 units of your intended language as your breadth study in year 1, and then commence the diploma in year 2, which then does not eat up any breadth subjects at all (unless you arrange it so)?
If this is true, doesn't this pose a problem for Arts students? As far as I know, Arts students can't take Arts-based subjects as breadth (?), so how can they complete the 2 units at year 1 as required?
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You can keep your core and your breadth and do a diploma of languages as well if you extend your degree by one year. But from 2010, you CANNOT commence the diploma of languages until 2nd year, so you reclaim your 6 breadth subjects from 2nd to 4th year at melbourne. Additionally, you cannot commence the diploma in 2nd year unless you have successfully completed 2 units of the language you intend to study.
Do I understand correctly? You must take 2 units of your intended language as your breadth study in year 1, and then commence the diploma in year 2, which then does not eat up any breadth subjects at all (unless you arrange it so)?
If this is true, doesn't this pose a problem for Arts students? As far as I know, Arts students can't take Arts-based subjects as breadth (?), so how can they complete the 2 units at year 1 as required?
sorry i wasn't clear enough. Arts students take the 2 units as part of their core program. If you want your breadth to be 'eaten' by your language, you may choose have it done that way. Although I can't say for sure this option of breadth being 'eaten' is available for arts students (doesn't that defeat the purpose of breadth?).
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sorry i wasn't clear enough. Arts students take the 2 units as part of their core program. If you want your breadth to be 'eaten' by your language, you may choose have it done that way. Although I can't say for sure this option of breadth being 'eaten' is available for arts students (doesn't that defeat the purpose of breadth?).
Yes, I agree that having the diplang "eat" your breadth, for Arts students, would defeat the purpose of it. I don't intend that for me, at least.
With the "taking the 2 units as part of your core program." Does this imply that the 2 language units can be integrated into pretty much any core program? i.e. any subject major? Also, how would this allow you to complete two majors in an Arts degree, in addition to the diplang?
Sorry if too many questions haha. Hope they are at least clear.
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sorry i wasn't clear enough. Arts students take the 2 units as part of their core program. If you want your breadth to be 'eaten' by your language, you may choose have it done that way. Although I can't say for sure this option of breadth being 'eaten' is available for arts students (doesn't that defeat the purpose of breadth?).
Yes, I agree that having the diplang "eat" your breadth, for Arts students, would defeat the purpose of it. I don't intend that for me, at least.
With the "taking the 2 units as part of your core program." Does this imply that the 2 language units can be integrated into pretty much any core program? i.e. any subject major? Also, how would this allow you to complete two majors in an Arts degree, in addition to the diplang?
Sorry if too many questions haha. Hope they are at least clear.
AHhhh I don't know. You might have to give melbourne university a call and ask them. The diploma of languages is very simple for everyone except arts students ..
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Yeah I think I will have to - this is getting very complex. Thanks for answering all that tho.
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so from what ive gathered in this thread could i take 2 language subs in say 1st yr arts, transfer to bcom and start the diploma even thought id still technically be 1st yr student?
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so from what ive gathered in this thread could i take 2 language subs in say 1st yr arts, transfer to bcom and start the diploma even thought id still technically be 1st yr student?
Well, from what sam5 said, it seems like you could - the subs would just be credited to the diploma. Regardless, it would take 4 years.
And sam5, thanks for your course plan :) I'm beginning to understand how it works lol. But I'm in a bit of a more difficult situation... I want to complete the ME after the BCom... so no idea how that's gonna work :| I'm planning on doing pretty much exactly what's on page 16 of this pdf:http://www.ecom.unimelb.edu.au/downloads/Undergrad/CPG_2010.pdf
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despite the uom website clearly saying this:
"2010
To be eligible to apply for the Diploma in Languages, you are required to take two first-year language subjects in your first year, appropriate to your study background and language level. Students studying the Biomedicine, Commerce, Environments, Science or Music degrees will study these subjects through their breadth component. Students studying the Bachelor of Arts will study these language subjects in their core component.
After the successful completion of this first year of language study, you may apply for the Diploma in Languages and, based on your academic performance in first year, can opt for the fast-track mode. "
The man in the dip lang lecture today said you CAN start the diploma with your degree in first year. argh the UoM website is so unreliable.
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Yeah there are always inconsistencies with that kinda stuff... Makes you wonder who's right lol. Btw, since we're on the topic of the dip lang lecture today, it was like 95% girls. Amazing.
Anyway, dip lang is bad... I want to do a BCom with an Engineering sequence then the Masters, but all with a co-current diploma. Somehow you can't extend the diploma through to the Masters and thus leave the Bcom unaltered.
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Yeah there are always inconsistencies with that kinda stuff... Makes you wonder who's right lol. Btw, since we're on the topic of the dip lang lecture today, it was like 95% girls. Amazing.
Anyway, dip lang is bad... I want to do a BCom with an Engineering sequence then the Masters, but all with a co-current diploma. Somehow you can't extend the diploma through to the Masters and thus leave the Bcom unaltered.
So wait.. Let me get this straight... you cant do bcom with engineering sequence + diploma then do masters... WHY?
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Yeah there are always inconsistencies with that kinda stuff... Makes you wonder who's right lol. Btw, since we're on the topic of the dip lang lecture today, it was like 95% girls. Amazing.
Anyway, dip lang is bad... I want to do a BCom with an Engineering sequence then the Masters, but all with a co-current diploma. Somehow you can't extend the diploma through to the Masters and thus leave the Bcom unaltered.
So wait.. Let me get this straight... you cant do bcom with engineering sequence + diploma then do masters... WHY?
Probably because to be elegible for the Diploma of Languages you need to do two language subjects in first year. If you want to do engineering via commerce you need to fill these up with engineering subjects.
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Yeah there are always inconsistencies with that kinda stuff... Makes you wonder who's right lol. Btw, since we're on the topic of the dip lang lecture today, it was like 95% girls. Amazing.
Anyway, dip lang is bad... I want to do a BCom with an Engineering sequence then the Masters, but all with a co-current diploma. Somehow you can't extend the diploma through to the Masters and thus leave the Bcom unaltered.
So wait.. Let me get this straight... you cant do bcom with engineering sequence + diploma then do masters... WHY?
Probably because to be elegible for the Diploma of Languages you need to do two language subjects in first year. If you want to do engineering via commerce you need to fill these up with engineering subjects.
That's probably the main reason why. To be able to do the Masters, you need those specific subjects in engineering, and by doing a diploma, you take away your breadth. It's catch-22.. and it's gay. However, the subject advisor did tell me it was possible (but no one had neither asked about something like that nor tried in previous years), but it did require you to overload quite a bit and he didn't recommend it at all.