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VCE Stuff => VCE Technology => VCE Mathematics/Science/Technology => VCE Subjects + Help => VCE Computing: Data Analytics => Topic started by: chopz on November 09, 2010, 05:50:51 pm
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How'd everyone go???
i reckon it was alright...some pretty tricky questions in the multiple choice.
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Yep, Question 3.
It was A.
I put A.
Finished early, and changed it to D because i'm an idiot times one million.
So glad there was nothing on design tools.
Those database questions were retarded?
"how would you keep track of costs?"
I just put , create a different table (making it a relational database)
And add a "Cost per Kg ($)" field, FishFoodID field, Total cost Field, and explained out it worked..
I think i got it wrong?
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CCTV or Keyboard swipe? I said CCTV, was a difficult question though.
And that ethics question, what did everyone recommend as a strategy for the IT staff?
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I thought it was alot harder then previous years.. I already got 1 multiple choice wrong and that damn query criteria question. It was 'Or' not 'And'. Made tons of careless mistakes. Sigh....
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Yep, Question 3.
It was A.
I put A.
Finished early, and changed it to D because i'm an idiot times one million.
So glad there was nothing on design tools.
Those database questions were retarded?
"how would you keep track of costs?"
I just put , create a different table (making it a relational database)
And add a "Cost per Kg ($)" field, FishFoodID field, Total cost Field, and explained out it worked..
I think i got it wrong?
I said add a new field called Cost per Kg, and then created a calculated field which multiplied cost per kg and the amount of kg of food per week field (it wasn't called that but you get the gist)
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I think I did fairly well. I forgot to include arrows on the Gantt chart but apparently I won't be deducted marks says my IT teacher. He says as long as the tasks are in the right order it's fine.
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Plan-B, you say that now, but then you get a study score of 48.
LOL.
Did anyone find that it took longer to do?
I only finished 15 minutes early, but i was really happy because my handwriting was really neat.
Oh btw, the Gantt chart, it didnt take up all the squares right?
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Lol damn, I chose encryption, didn't know wth was keyboard swipe.
Think I stuffed that database qn too, I said to add two more fields lol.... (what tazza said, exactly)
Didn't know what content sensitive help was so made shit up.
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CCTV or Keyboard swipe? I said CCTV, was a difficult question though.
i chose encryption software am i wrong :(?
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LOL we alll got it wrong?
dammnit, and too think, i HAD it right.
Thank god for Swinburne practice exam, for the VPN one. I was seriously screwed.
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What about the gantt chart arrows, did you draw arrows from task B to the other two tasks as well?
Did D and E have predecessors as B,C?
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I think the answer would have been keyboard swipe as CCTV refers to physical security.
Also encryption refers to the security data electronically.
CCTV wouldn't be able to monitor unsuccessful login attempts and encryption can't either.
That's why I chose A keyboard swipe
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CCTV or Keyboard swipe? I said CCTV, was a difficult question though.
And that ethics question, what did everyone recommend as a strategy for the IT staff?
I put CCTV too! Are we right?
It was pretty strange..
I said they should refer to the code of conduct and inform their boss. I thought it was a pretty weird question..
Also, did anyone notice there was not a single privacy principle used?
And so many marks on backups..
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I was going to go down the 'create a new field with cost per kg and multiply' but I was taught that calculations can only be done on a 'report'. During prac work I found that to be the case... so I explained 'create a report, multiply all these things together, and defind the cost per kg' in short.
I chose keyboard swipe for question 3 I think it was. Even though i have no idea what it is, It couldn't have been the others. It was not encryption. If you understand what encryption is, beyond the VCE level, you'll know it's definitely not encryption.
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yea it was definitely keyboard swipe
Encryption = scrambles data
CCTV = closed circuit television - VIDEO monitoring, used in convenience stores, etc
Anti-virus = god why did i put this down?
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What is a keyboard swipe? I assumed that it logged what you type into a computer. If thats the case, how will it know WHO is the one accessing the network? I thought CCTV would tell us who it was. Unless I completely misread what the actual question was.
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When it said he 'gained access' to the password protected file, does that mean he actually got into it?
I thought he might have broken in to try and get information and it would be caught on the CCTV
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Come on tazza, we got this :)
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How long does it usually take Mark Kelly to post up solutions?
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It didn't say WHO, or HE.
From memory (panicking memory) it was "What equipment would allow you to find out whether someone has incorrectly guessed your password" - or made an attempt to.
Think about it logically, yea, the CCTV would show someone walk in, go on your computer, but it would have to be positioned correctly, AND very closely (whilst being disguised) to show the screen and them accessing your password.
What if their big head covered the screen? What then?
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the multiple choice was !@#$ed
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What did people get for 20? Multiple choice.
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the multiple choice was !@#$ed
How so? There are usually 2-3 that are at all tricky or require some thought. Same this year.
I got mindfucked by the 'the teacher can be at more than one school' question. It was one-to-many yes? I originally had one-to-one, but opted for one-to-many based on the statement it gave. After about 5 mins of thought.
Q20 - I went for the one that had more N's on the end. I'm also 100% confident it is correct. I didn't spend to much time on it though.
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What did people get for 20? Multiple choice.
Was that the flow chart?
I think I chose A.
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IMO MC was much harder than previous years. for 20 i put D
Edit: by 20 i'm referring to the spreadsheet formula thing.
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What did people get for 20? Multiple choice.
That was the pass or fail?
I put C...
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Ohh, yeah C also.
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Yeah, 20 was the one with the vlookup. Pretty sure I put C.
The flowchart question; I got A.
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the gantt chart, did you guys find that ALL the squares were NOT used up?
Edit: I JUST REALISED, DO THEY STILL MARK YOU IF YOU DID THE GANTT CHART IN PENCIL?
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Very easy exam in my opinion, finished with 30 mins to spare.
CCTV wouldn't do much for password protected files... you might be able to see the screen on the security camera a little... keyboard swipe is much more effective.
You multiplied How much food per pond times the cost of that food.
Questions?
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The electrical storm was definately UPS right? Wasn't completely sure as it said 'test' UPS?
Lol I used pencil for the Gannt chart and the screen design?
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the gantt chart, did you guys find that ALL the squares were NOT used up?
Edit: FUCK I JUST REALISED, DO THEY STILL MARK YOU IF YOU DID THE GANTT CHART IN PENCIL?
I think they take marks off if you don't do it in pencil.
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What about the different types of documentation???
I just wrote some staff may prefer to use different types? LOL
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Pencil is fine, you're allowed to write in pen or pencil.
Pen is just easier for the guy who's going to mark your exam to read. (And smudges less)
Electrical Storm was UPS rest didnt make sense at all...
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the multiple choice was !@#$ed
How so? There are usually 2-3 that are at all tricky or require some thought. Same this year.
I got mindfucked by the 'the teacher can be at more than one school' question. It was one-to-many yes? I originally had one-to-one, but opted for one-to-many based on the statement it gave. After about 5 mins of thought.
Q20 - I went for the one that had more N's on the end. I'm also 100% confident it is correct. I didn't spend to much time on it though.
i chose C coz B3 was less than 50 so the last letter had to be N, same as you got.
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It was C.
Because they could only get a pass if all three tests were passed.
It doesnt make sense for more than one P to be in the formula.
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CCTV or Keyboard swipe? I said CCTV, was a difficult question though.
And that ethics question, what did everyone recommend as a strategy for the IT staff?
LOL at this question. I used a business management approach. I said the staff should go to the Human Resource manager as he/she will be knowledgeable in the area of ethics and can give the staff advice on the dilemma they face, and maybe set up a meeting with the staffs supervisor to discuss the issue the staff face and come to a solution for the staff.
i really just had a punt.
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Excel parts were really easy, they didn't make us write any complicated VLookup or If formulas, it was just subtraction lmao.
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It was C.
Because they could only get a pass if all three tests were passed.
It doesnt make sense for more than one P to be in the formula.
Yay! im on 1/90.
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Excel parts were really easy, they didn't make us write any complicated VLookup or If formulas, it was just subtraction lmao.
Yeh i was relieved when i saw that. Vlookups are an asspain.
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CCTV or Keyboard swipe? I said CCTV, was a difficult question though.
And that ethics question, what did everyone recommend as a strategy for the IT staff?
LOL at this question. I used a business management approach. I said the staff should go to the Human Resource manager as he/she will be knowledgeable in the area of ethics and can give the staff advice on the dilemma they face, and maybe set up a meeting with the staffs supervisor to discuss the issue the staff face and come to a solution for the staff.
i really just had a punt.
lol had no idea about this qn too.
Just had a go and wrote: They need to identify the problem and the people involved. They then need to decide whether the decision can have a moral impact on anyone involved.
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I reckon for the ethics question, they'd accept any answer.
For the first one (to cheryl)
i put: "Do you think it's fair that some people have to pay extra, because their hard-earned income is higher?"
boss:
"Why would you encourage such unethical behaviour amongst your staff?"
Last one
"Try and look at why you can't decide if it's unethical or not. If you are still unable to determine this, ask colleagues, or someone you trust outside the work place. If you still can't decide, it is probably unethical.." :D
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CCTV or Keyboard swipe? I said CCTV, was a difficult question though.
And that ethics question, what did everyone recommend as a strategy for the IT staff?
LOL at this question. I used a business management approach. I said the staff should go to the Human Resource manager as he/she will be knowledgeable in the area of ethics and can give the staff advice on the dilemma they face, and maybe set up a meeting with the staffs supervisor to discuss the issue the staff face and come to a solution for the staff.
i really just had a punt.
lol had no idea about this qn too.
Just had a go and wrote: They need to identify the problem and the people involved. They then need to decide whether the decision can have a moral impact on anyone involved.
Lol. they'll prob mark that leniently as hardly anyone will have got it right, so you'll probs get some marks.
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I reckon for the ethics question, they'd accept any answer.
For the first one (to cheryl)
i put: "Do you think it's fair that some people have to pay extra, because their hard-earned income is higher?"
boss:
"Why would you encourage such unethical behaviour amongst your staff?"
Yeah wrote a similar qn.
For the boss one, I wrote "Don't you think it gives Cheryl a bad impression of yourself by being greedy taking advantage of the more wealthy customers?
Does it seem right? Hopefully can get one mark from it.
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My questions were:
Cheryl -> Do you think it is fair to charge some customers more than others?
Boss -> Do you think it is right to force your staff to carry out work that they would potentially find unethical?
My last one was like this, here are some guidlines to use in ethical decision making.... Would i want this done to me? Does this decision unfairly descriminate against a certain group or class of people?
I think it was a pretty general question (you didnt even really need IT to do it...), if you were around what they were looking for you should get the mark.
I doubt anyone was waaay off for this one
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Must say though, good on swinburne for their disadvantage on VPN. :D
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What was it? I treated it like a VT question lol.
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A+ cut off was 67.5/90 last year guys, so you could drop 22.5 marks and still get the lowest A+.
Bare in mind though this subject scales terribly.
I got High A A A
for u3 sacs, u4sacs and exams for software last year, 37 raw but only 34 scaled
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VPN’s allow users to communicate and share resources as if in a Local Area Nework,
however due to the fact they use the Internet is a medium of communication they are
more open to security threats.
My scores are.
Low B+, B+, hopeful for a Mid-High A+
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I said it was slower then a normal connection because it was using public communications channels, and it was into remote areas. Is this right?
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Lol I thought they provided closed and limited access, so it's secure? Was on one of the past exams.
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Thats not a disadvantage though, you had to list disadvantages
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Lol I know, i fked up the question and answered it like it was a Virtual Team qn.
But I was asking Nacho about the 'more open to security threats'
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Who really cares, IT must be the dodgiest VCE subject i'll ever do. The questions are written by FOBs, my teacher is an arabian demon and I hate my cohort.
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I guess, but it's definitely one of the easiest subjects to get 40+.
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Yeah but that scales straight back down again
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It was a weird exam overall I felt. Not too hard, but certainly a decrease in the number of 'pure theory' questions (i.e. state this, list that). Also, I was surprised there was NO questions on any of the legal stuff, like the Acts. It was mostly ethics which i felt was strange....... smart boss though, for charging people based on income... not so good ethically though hahahaha :-\
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Who really cares, IT must be the dodgiest VCE subject i'll ever do. The questions are written by FOBs, my teacher is an arabian demon and I hate my cohort.
Yash. How could you hate me? And our teacher is an Egyptian. derr.
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VPN’s allow users to communicate and share resources as if in a Local Area Nework,
however due to the fact they use the Internet is a medium of communication they are
more open to security threats.
My scores are.
Low B+, B+, hopeful for a Mid-High A+
I've seen this statement before, but I'd be pissed if this is a correct response. A VPN is not a necessity to 'virtual team' shit. So by your statement any WAN traffic is insecure. My disadvantage was that a VPN required either specialist software or hardware, which will infer cost.
It's specific to VPN's, and also true. Even though there are plenty of free solutions... they ignore OpenOffice etc so they probably don't like FOSS anyway.
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On a lighter note, anyone plan on burning all there IT shit in the near future?
i know i've got mass pile of practice exams that are getting torched soon. Fuck it will feel good.
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I have no ITA work to burn :(
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I have no ITA work to burn :(
Lol. u can borrow some of mine, got enough to go round.
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Most of our IT stuff was done online so i could just burn my laptop???? nah might just wipe the folder haha or ARCHIVE it as per the info process steps........ what am i saying, IT IS OVER!!!! WOOOHOOO
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yea, i plan to if no one takes it. I'll film it if i do burn it.
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Most of our IT stuff was done online so i could just burn my laptop???? nah might just wipe the folder haha or ARCHIVE it as per the info process steps........ what am i saying, IT IS OVER!!!! WOOOHOOO
lol don't start applying it to real life now.
i bet BEN92 will have a shitload of exams to burn if he did the 30 he planned on doing. Am i right Ben?
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yea, i plan to if no one takes it. I'll film it if i do burn it.
Hold a videoconference so we can share the burning? :P
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Hm, the thing is, one of us may feel pressured or feel on the spot. However, we can make use of the different in time zones and work on burning our books around the clock. But what if you don't speak english so well? or vice versa..I say we use a wiki to keep each other updated.
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Hm, the thing is, one of us may feel pressured or feel on the spot. However, we can make use of the difference in time zones. But what if you don't speak english so well? or vice versa..I say we use a wiki
Wikis arent real time communication so they wouldn't suit us, the audience. lets just use VoIP.
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for q20 i put D
as it said, IF(D2>=50..........)"P","P") or something like that, and thought because it said at the start of the code if it is => 50 it is a pass so you would write P instead of N :\ not sure though
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We're gonna need a virtual team to virtually collaborate. I propose a VPN with encryption, a wiki, video conferencing, and a keyboard swipe. The keyboard swipe is most important.
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LOL schnappy. haha
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Lol, I'm so going to burn my USB, my IT Textbook and at least 500 IT Revision sheets.
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Answer was keyboard swipe.
And Q20 on multiple choice was C.
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for q20 i put D
as it said, IF(D2>=50..........)"P","P") or something like that, and thought because it said at the start of the code if it is => 50 it is a pass so you would write P instead of N :\ not sure though
The last part of the IF statement is the value produced if the condition is not met. That is, if the mark is <50. Hence it should be "N". Bad luck cobber. It was a mindfuck to work out.
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for q20 i put D
as it said, IF(D2>=50..........)"P","P") or something like that, and thought because it said at the start of the code if it is => 50 it is a pass so you would write P instead of N :\ not sure though
Lol yeh it was a tough question. It wasnt A or B but i thought it was C, however it may have been D so you could be right. bit of an iffy one.
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Lol, I'm so going to burn my USB, my IT Textbook and at least 500 IT Revision sheets.
YAY! im glad im not the only one.
And your pile must be fkn huge if u had 500 sheets.
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for q20 i put D
as it said, IF(D2>=50..........)"P","P") or something like that, and thought because it said at the start of the code if it is => 50 it is a pass so you would write P instead of N :\ not sure though
Lol yeh it was a tough question. It wasnt A or B but i thought it was C, however it may have been D so you could be right. bit of an iffy one.
Its C.
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We're gonna need a virtual team to virtually collaborate. I propose a VPN with encryption, a wiki, video conferencing, and a keyboard swipe. The keyboard swipe is most important.
Hahaha, and i Shotgun moderator privileges. we are sad.
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for q20 i put D
as it said, IF(D2>=50..........)"P","P") or something like that, and thought because it said at the start of the code if it is => 50 it is a pass so you would write P instead of N :\ not sure though
Lol yeh it was a tough question. It wasnt A or B but i thought it was C, however it may have been D so you could be right. bit of an iffy one.
Its C.
yay! 2/90 now.
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Lol, I'm so going to burn my USB, my IT Textbook and at least 500 IT Revision sheets.
YAY! im glad im not the only one.
And your pile must be fkn huge if u had 500 sheets.
I stored most of them under my desk at home :P
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lol wth did yous write for the without moderator rules?
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Lol, I'm so going to burn my USB, my IT Textbook and at least 500 IT Revision sheets.
YAY! im glad im not the only one.
And your pile must be fkn huge if u had 500 sheets.
I stored most of them under my desk at home :P
lol mine are on my bed (bunk bed) and i put a sign sayin DONT TOUCH so my mum doznt throw 'em out.
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This exam was so great....2/3 of the class left after 45 mins in to the Exam. I and my two friends, ended up leaving at 5.15pm. We are year 11 students...
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lol wth did yous write for the without moderator rules?
lol wth did yous write for the without moderator rules?
Just said that there would team disputes and some team members may put inappropriate material in the reports and that a moderator would prevent this.
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lol I mean the qn before that, the state two rules one.
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This exam was so great....2/3 of the class left after 45 mins in to the Exam. I and my two friends, ended up leaving at 5.15pm. We are year 11 students...
Same here, only 8 or so ppl left when there was 40 minutes to go. some left well over an hour15mins to go.
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lol I mean the qn before that, the state two rules one.
Lol sorry.
Yeah that question was like wtfuck? i said members must save every 20 mins (LOL), and that they can't put inappropriate content in report.
But i think that's wrong coz they probably wanted more technical answers or some shit. :S
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Do good looking VCCA staff (female to be specific) exist?
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lol I just wrote:
- Only use relevant information
- Appropriate formats and conventions must be applied LOL
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lol I just wrote:
- Only use relevant information
- Appropriate formats and conventions must be applied LOL
aww shiitt sounds way better than mine. Damn, hopefully i get the marks for it.
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hey guys short time reader first time poster! thought the exam was pretty good today, some of the mutiple choices were a bit iffy. Was it me or was alot of the short answer a bit ambiguous, like it was open to interpritation pretty much write a wide range of stuff as long as you explain it? did anyone else think that.
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lol I just wrote:
- Only use relevant information
- Appropriate formats and conventions must be applied LOL
aww shiitt sounds way better than mine. Damn, hopefully i get the marks for it.
Really? I thought mine sounded wrong?
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hey guys short time reader first time poster! thought the exam was pretty good today, some of the mutiple choices were a bit iffy. Was it me or was alot of the short answer a bit ambiguous, like it was open to interpritation pretty much write a wide range of stuff as long as you explain it? did anyone else think that.
Welcome damo :) this is our little small community of ITers lol.
yeah we all agree the questions were way too vague. Ah well good luck to the markers :P
dealing with 4000 different questions for each short answer.
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For the question how you had to draw up what some page looked like on some chefs website.
What did you guys draw.
I drew the heading the links where they are and a login and pass bar for the user to type in since it should be secured.
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For the question how you had to draw up what some page looked like on some chefs website.
What did you guys draw.
I drew the heading the links where they are and a login and pass bar for the user to type in since it should be secured.
Yeah that's what I did, it was suppose to not have annotations right?
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It was only worth two marks right?
I doubt it..
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yeah i started drawing another webpage...then i thought OHSHIT
and quickly changed it :P all of us on here most likely get 40+ anywaiis dw too much.
i got my SD exam in 2 days oh man.
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the SD exam is easier imo from what i've seen
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haha i bet i owned you guys, i drew a log in screen :D cause it's the team's webpage :D
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thats what i said nacho
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For the question how you had to draw up what some page looked like on some chefs website.
What did you guys draw.
I drew the heading the links where they are and a login and pass bar for the user to type in since it should be secured.
Yeah that's what I did, it was suppose to not have annotations right?
Yay! me too. I only provided an annotation for the heading, i said 'heading' lol.
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Does anyone here get hayfever/ allergies?
coz i reckon the examiners were getting pissed at me, i used about 40000 tissues in the exam. Fuck you hayfever.
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So Sad I drew the Page but left out the button for log on --
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VPN’s allow users to communicate and share resources as if in a Local Area Nework,
however due to the fact they use the Internet is a medium of communication they are
more open to security threats.
My scores are.
Low B+, B+, hopeful for a Mid-High A+
I've seen this statement before, but I'd be pissed if this is a correct response. A VPN is not a necessity to 'virtual team' shit. So by your statement any WAN traffic is insecure. My disadvantage was that a VPN required either specialist software or hardware, which will infer cost.
It's specific to VPN's, and also true. Even though there are plenty of free solutions... they ignore OpenOffice etc so they probably don't like FOSS anyway.
I think I said something along the lines of VPN needing internet to run, therefore that itself can be a disadvantage as there is a requirement for an internet connection (therefore no internet connection = no vpn access)
Way wrong? :(
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So Sad I drew the Page but left out the button for log on --
Ha! I did the exact same thing. I also included a picture of a chef, just because I can.
Due to finishing 50 minutes early, my exams is full of pictures of burning IT books. I do hope they enjoy that...
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SHIT I FORGOT THE LOG ON BUTTON =XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
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Most of our IT stuff was done online so i could just burn my laptop???? nah might just wipe the folder haha or ARCHIVE it as per the info process steps........ what am i saying, IT IS OVER!!!! WOOOHOOO
lol don't start applying it to real life now.
i bet BEN92 will have a shitload of exams to burn if he did the 30 he planned on doing. Am i right Ben?
*The 30 I did
Gonna get some gasoline first.
Edit: Scoota do you go to my school?
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SHIT I FORGOT THE LOG ON BUTTON =XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Farrr me tooo... hopefully they are kind?
How many marks can we lose for scaled 40? I swear, I really hope I can atleast scrape that. I always break and forget everything during exams... not good :(
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I know it's not exactly what you were asking, but for a scaled 40 you'd need 43 raw.
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Plan-B im sick and tired of your crap. Everyone here knows you and ben got like at least a 48 study score for this.
The book is closed my friend, the book is closed.
LOL, what'd you guys put for the 50k question?
I wrote, "If it is a flatfile database (in spreadsheet) the following IF statement could be used to do so.." =IF(salary<50000,"Second Website","First Website") Where the salary is the annual salary, second website is the website with marked up prices, first website is the original website.
However, if it is a relational database (in access), the following query can be used to filter out those who should be shown the second website: Annual Salary = >50000
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haha i bet i owned you guys, i drew a log in screen :D cause it's the team's webpage :D
I answered every question besides this one, i completely forgot what it was and it was only worth 2 marks, so im not worried.
I also think i forgot one of the multiple choice questions, the CCTV, Encryption etc. one
From the answers on here, i most likely would of got it wrong (I was leaning towards CCTV)
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I said query
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Most of our IT stuff was done online so i could just burn my laptop???? nah might just wipe the folder haha or ARCHIVE it as per the info process steps........ what am i saying, IT IS OVER!!!! WOOOHOOO
lol don't start applying it to real life now.
i bet BEN92 will have a shitload of exams to burn if he did the 30 he planned on doing. Am i right Ben?
*The 30 I did
Gonna get some gasoline first.
Edit: Scoota do you go to my school?
Haha. yeh light them up. i did 21. They were a quality set of 21 too. :P
nah man i dont go to ur skool. what skool u go to? i do my exams at parade but i go to skool at this place called northside, youve probs never heard of it.
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Could anyone upload a scan of the exam? I'm sure everyone would appreciate it.
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2nd question section B how you had to fill in the type of data it is. The last one for Paid/Not Paid
I wrote down boolean
Is that correct?
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WHAT IS multichoice question 8 and 14? i have 8D and 14D
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2nd question section B how you had to fill in the type of data it is. The last one for Paid/Not Paid
I wrote down boolean
Is that correct?
Yup - a boolean is a true or false value, as is the question 'Has X Paid' etc.
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multichoice 8D??
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I got 8B
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lol anyone remember what the question was?
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Was it the last question on the second page? The one about protecting cells?
I'm probably wrong. But maybe?
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2nd question section B how you had to fill in the type of data it is. The last one for Paid/Not Paid
I wrote down boolean
Is that correct?
shut up bozo
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LOL. so mykool are u top of the state?
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Was it the last question on the second page? The one about protecting cells?
I'm probably wrong. But maybe?
I chose the monday to friday columns, didn't choose the 'last friday' as that would've used a formula to get it from the previous worksheet.
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Oh, that makes sense. Fuck. I wasn't even taught about multiple sheets at my school...
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Was it the last question on the second page? The one about protecting cells?
I'm probably wrong. But maybe?
I chose the monday to friday columns, didn't choose the 'last friday' as that would've used a formula to get it from the previous worksheet.
I did the same. Notice that those cells were shaded? I think that was the giveaway, as I understand that is the standard conventions for input fields.
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Yeah I thought about it, but I completely missed the idea of getting that cell from the previous page of the spreadsheet.
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I selected one more row towards the left, in think it was something like starting height? It wasn't shaded but you would still have to edit those cells.
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I selected one more row towards the left, in think it was something like starting height? It wasn't shaded but you would still have to edit those cells.
I'm pretty sure that those weren't inputted in but was taken from the previous sheet as it would reduce the amount of possible errors and just easier.
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I selected one more row towards the left, in think it was something like starting height? It wasn't shaded but you would still have to edit those cells.
I'm pretty sure that those weren't inputted in but was taken from the previous sheet as it would reduce the amount of possible errors and just easier.
Yeh, most likely, though it didn't say anything about gathering from other sheets. Did it? You think I might still get away with it?
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I selected one more row towards the left, in think it was something like starting height? It wasn't shaded but you would still have to edit those cells.
I'm pretty sure that those weren't inputted in but was taken from the previous sheet as it would reduce the amount of possible errors and just easier.
Yeh, most likely, though it didn't say anything about gathering from other sheets. Did it? You think I might still get away with it?
Nope it didn't, it just seemed obvious though since there was also a sheet for last week. Not sure, maybe half mark if they're generous.
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I selected one more row towards the left, in think it was something like starting height? It wasn't shaded but you would still have to edit those cells.
I'm pretty sure that those weren't inputted in but was taken from the previous sheet as it would reduce the amount of possible errors and just easier.
Yeh, most likely, though it didn't say anything about gathering from other sheets. Did it? You think I might still get away with it?
Nope it didn't, it just seemed obvious though since there was also a sheet for last week. Not sure, maybe half mark if they're generous.
Technically I'm not wrong though am I?
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i put down the shaded cells and also the "DATE" at the top of each worksheet!
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What did everybody write for that question about the online booking form, and how the 'first booking' would be affected if the data type of 'no. of tickets' was changed to text?
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I wrote, that some people may enter data in an incorrect format.
E.g. three and 3
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the total cost, uses calculations from the no. of tickets field, and therefore text can not be included in the calculations.
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I wrote that because there'd be no validation (it's text), there'd be no way of stopping people from misreading the form and entering something completely unrelated.
Edit: Was there a total cost on the form?
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yes sir. i hope im right?
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I wrote, that some people may enter data in an incorrect format.
E.g. three and 3
that's what I said, but was there something in that question that we were missing? I felt there was, because it was saying something about how the first booking would be affected D:
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I wrote that because there'd be no validation (it's text), there'd be no way of stopping people from misreading the form and entering something completely unrelated.
I wrote the same, but I also added that due to this people could input 9 or more tickets (the max was 8 in the case brief).
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yes sir. i hope im right?
I don't remember. If there was your answer was probably what they were asking for. I hope mine's alright too - I mean, it 'applies.'
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Mark Kelly's site says: "The post mortems are under way"
So how long can it be? 1 day? maybe 2? Can't F'ing wait.
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was anyone else pissed at the fact that there was no extra paper?
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http://vceit.com/postmortems/2010ita/index.htm he has started it I just changed the codes to 2010 so I'm guessing keep refreshing
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http://vceit.com/postmortems/2010ita/index.htm he has started it I just changed the codes to 2010 so I'm guessing keep refreshing
Lol yeh. I found that after I posted. WTF WITH QUESTION 3? C?
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http://vceit.com/postmortems/2010ita/index.htm he has started it I just changed the codes to 2010 so I'm guessing keep refreshing
Lol yeh. I found that after I posted. WTF WITH QUESTION 3? C?
yeah i dont understand that either, couldn't someone hack unauthorized files via there own computer in a completely different location. therefore they wouldnt physically have to enter the building therefore they wouldnt be on cctv?? strange
but i guess in the question it is The 'best equipment' to detect unauthorized access!
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YEAAAAH CCTV!! COME ON!! :D
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was anyone else pissed at the fact that there was no extra paper?
yeah i thought for the 2 mark questions they only had a couple of lines where i needed really 4 or 5 lines to express my opinion properly
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Are some of Mark Kelly's answers wrong? Like I know he hasn't published it officially yet but Question 16 & 11?
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Question 11? I'm pretty sure he meant to say C, right?
" pdf <D> are not a picture file formats"
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Yeh. And 16 i thought it was B - Common fields.
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I put primary keys because they all had keys on them.. I have no idea lol
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hmmm. I thought the relationships weren't between the primary keys though. We'll see when the images get uploaded.
http://vceit.com/postmortems/2010ita/a16.jpg
That's the working picture. He seems to have the wrong dir.
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guys just a quick question.... looking at the 07,08,09 statistics reports to check the mean and A+, A, B+ etc. ranges.... i was just wondering what do you guys think the cut off will be for A+??
its obviously depending on how hard the paper was, i thought it wasnt to bad but im still not sure as alot of them are all the same for me,
for 2007 A+ was 143 - 180
for 2008 A+ was 135 - 180
for 2009 A+ was 135 - 180
what do people think will it stay at about 135? or be about 140 cos it wasnt to difficult?
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personally i predict it will go to 130 or stay at 135.
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I reckon it could sneak up t0 145. Was definitely easier than previous years.
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farkk, according to what Mark Kelly has got for answers right now, lost about 8 marks already.
stuffed up documentation, the food cost in database and role of NOS, I just wrote: controls network traffic?
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i lost 5 marks in multiple choice, wow....
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I think the markers will be a little more lenient for this one.
A lot of the questions were very vague.. I mean, "State two types of tests" ? :/
How did you guys go on MC?
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got 19/20 :D
Damn stuffed up the keyboard swipe qn....
For the 'state two types of testing' qn
I wrote similar stuff to what MK wrote as the second option, the testing if it gives accurate results stuff.
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i did existence and range test, then explained each test.
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Lol I didn't even read the qn properly, didn't know they had limits on tickets.
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stuffed up documentation, the food cost in database and role of NOS, I just wrote: controls network traffic?
I think the database question is really up for interpretation, especially when you look at his past post-mortems and compare those with the answers from the examiners report. A good example of this is his preference for named ranges over absolute cell references.
In general terms, a NOS could control network traffic, though it would depend on the specifics they are after.
Looking at the multiple choice, I only counted one or two questions that I could have lost marks on, so I'm happy :)
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19/20 too. I wrote informal and formal tests.. I mean, they did say TYPE, right? :|
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19/20 too. I wrote informal and formal tests.. I mean, they did say TYPE, right? :|
What part was this?
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oi how do u get these mark kelly answers?
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Matt, "State two types of tests for checking the online booking form."
Scoota, http://vceit.com/postmortems/2010ita/index.htm
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Matt, "State two types of tests for checking the online booking form."
Scoota, http://vceit.com/postmortems/2010ita/index.htm
Thanks heaps.
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Matt, "State two types of tests for checking the online booking form."
Ah thanks for that. I don't think it was asking for types of tests in terms of formal/informal, I think it was asking for ways that you could test the online booking form. Well, for what it's worth that's how I interpreted the question in the exam...
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I guess we interpret things differently :D
Mark Kelly haha, "Ask themselves if they are feeling uncomfortable because of an ethical quandary, or whether it was just the curry they had for lunch."
Yeahhh.. I don't think he likes the exam much :P
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I'm surprised you guys found it an easy test, i personally thought the MC was really off putting, my confidence took a mohammed ali to the face during reading time, mostly because of the MC.
If question 3 was question 17 or something instead, i would have done better :D.
Good exam though, quite challenging, disappointed about the lack of VLOOKUPS, (REPLACED with a nested IF wtf?!?? was not expecting that one D: ) and lack of questions on laws.
I new laws well enough to apply it into the bonus section of legal studies which no one else got. FML, damn you VCAA!!
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Hmm with the new update, just lost maybe another 3-5 marks:
Description of team portal, rules for report, and maybe the ethical qn.
Lol I got the disadvantage of VPN right according to MK, said lack of body language thing. Thought this was wrong? Hopefully they accept it.
So, at about 11-13 marks lost so far and hopefully not anymore as I was pretty confident with the last two qns.
Edit: He just finished, got different answers for shutdown procedures, and he got the excel formula wrong right??? Surely you can't add them, number would be huge as it was the actual height at that day rather than the change in height for that day.
Hopefully max 15 marks gone.
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Mark Kelly got Question 11a wrong?
i put =(G6-B6)
because it asks for the weeks growth compared to the week before? he just adds them all...
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Mark Kelly got Question 11a wrong?
i put =(G6-B6)
because it asks for the weeks growth compared to the week before? he just adds them all...
Yeah, thats what I wrote.
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I don't mean to sound like a dick, but I did very little study, in fact what i did study didn't help because the laws didn't appear in the exam at all, and according to Mark Kelly's solutions I dropped 0-2 marks. The exam was way too easy, but for the wrong reasons. It was easy because general logic and problem solving skills will answer 90% of the questions for you. Rather than being about how well you know the theory or how well you can apply the theory, it was largely about how well you can take the information you're given and use common sense to answer the questions. Having said that, I do have a bit of a computer background, I know my way around excel and computers in general, but looking at the study design there's no way I know this course well. Imo that makes this a terrible exam.
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]I think Mark made a few mistakes, although I'm sure these were typos:
Question 11 MC
He says PDFs aren't image files, yet the answer he gives (D) includes pdf. I think he meant to say C.
Question 16 MC
He says they're links between common primary keys, yet many of the fields he links weren't primary keys. They were unique and *could have* been primary keys, but they didn't feature the key symbol beside them. His answer was A, but I think it should have been B.
Question 3 MC
He says a keyboard swipe doesn't exist, but what's this? http://www.google.com.au/images?q=keyboard%20swipe&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1028&bih=869. It looks like a mobile keyboard an unauthorised user would type his password into. Furthermore, his answer, CCTV, wouldn't have the video quality to see what was occurring on a screen. It might not even be facing the screen and would almost definitely be too far away, and its view may be even covered by the hacker 's body too.
Mark Kelly got Question 11a wrong?
i put =(G6-B6)
because it asks for the weeks growth compared to the week before? he just adds them all...
And what this guy said, too. By Mark Kelly's logic, I could have grown 3km taller by measuring myself every day and then adding those measurements.
That said, I think a lot of what I and chopz pointed out were silly mistakes he made in the rush to publish the solutions online. I'm sure he knows all this stuff.
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I think Mark made a few mistakes, although I'm sure these were typos:
Question 11 MC
He says PDFs aren't image files, yet the answer he gives (D) includes pdf. I think he meant to say C..
I'm pretty sure he did not get this wrong, because even though PDF's aren't images, it gives them more reason why they should group the files within the folder.
To separate the pictures from the 'pdfs'...thats how i interpreted his answer i personally got it wrong if his correct..
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Question 3 MC
He says a keyboard swipe doesn't exist, but what's this? http://www.google.com.au/images?q=keyboard%20swipe&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1028&bih=869. It looks like a mobile keyboard an unauthorised user would type his password into. Furthermore, his answer, CCTV, wouldn't have the video quality to see what was occurring on a screen. It might not even be facing the screen and would almost definitely be too far away, and its view may be even covered by the hacker 's body too.
Lol I think those images are just for android phones? which is keyboard swype?
Edit: Nvm, saw the keyboard with a card slot.
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I think Mark made a few mistakes, although I'm sure these were typos:
Question 11 MC
He says PDFs aren't image files, yet the answer he gives (D) includes pdf. I think he meant to say C..
I'm pretty sure he did not get this wrong, because even though PDF's aren't images, it gives them more reason why they should group the files within the folder.
To separate the pictures from the 'pdfs'...thats how i interpreted his answer i personally got it wrong if his correct..
But question C had four image types, nothing 'complicated' like your method of image extraction for PDFs.
http://www.scantips.com/basics9t.html (note it has a .tif extension even though it's called the TIFF format.)
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I think Mark made a few mistakes, although I'm sure these were typos:
Question 11 MC
He says PDFs aren't image files, yet the answer he gives (D) includes pdf. I think he meant to say C..
I'm pretty sure he did not get this wrong, because even though PDF's aren't images, it gives them more reason why they should group the files within the folder.
To separate the pictures from the 'pdfs'...thats how i interpreted his answer i personally got it wrong if his correct..
yeah but tif is an actual image format?
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Question 3 MC
He says a keyboard swipe doesn't exist, but what's this? http://www.google.com.au/images?q=keyboard%20swipe&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1028&bih=869. It looks like a mobile keyboard an unauthorised user would type his password into. Furthermore, his answer, CCTV, wouldn't have the video quality to see what was occurring on a screen. It might not even be facing the screen and would almost definitely be too far away, and its view may be even covered by the hacker 's body too.
Lol I think those images are just for android phones? which is keyboard swype?
The fact remains that it exists. In any case, I think the other options are bogus. Come to think of it, it might be encryption software if you're talking about *file* encryption software which can place passwords on files (e.g. WinRAR.)
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yeah im pretty sure tif, is a image file.
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Question 3 MC
He says a keyboard swipe doesn't exist, but what's this? http://www.google.com.au/images?q=keyboard%20swipe&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1028&bih=869. It looks like a mobile keyboard an unauthorised user would type his password into. Furthermore, his answer, CCTV, wouldn't have the video quality to see what was occurring on a screen. It might not even be facing the screen and would almost definitely be too far away, and its view may be even covered by the hacker 's body too.
Lol I think those images are just for android phones? which is keyboard swype?
The fact remains that it exists. In any case, I think the other options are bogus. Come to think of it, it might be encryption software if you're talking about *file* encryption software which can place passwords on files (e.g. WinRAR.)
It wanted to detect, not prevent. All of the other options, including a swipe-card (or keyboard swipe lolwut?) are methods of preventing. A CCTV feed will physically show the person watching it that there is an intruder, and hence they have "detected" him/her.
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]I think Mark made a few mistakes, although I'm sure these were typos:
Question 3 MC
He says a keyboard swipe doesn't exist, but what's this? http://www.google.com.au/images?q=keyboard%20swipe&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1028&bih=869. It looks like a mobile keyboard an unauthorised user would type his password into. Furthermore, his answer, CCTV, wouldn't have the video quality to see what was occurring on a screen. It might not even be facing the screen and would almost definitely be too far away, and its view may be even covered by the hacker 's body too.
I agree. The question says "The best equipment to detect unauthorised access to a password-protected file would be"
Unless you have a very attentive person watching the CCTV footage, and unless the intruder was wearing an outfit that stands-out or looks different on CCTV (generally poor quality definition), then I would think a swipe card would detect the unauthorised access more accurately....... very hard to know though....
Then again, unless they used an invalid card, they wouldn't be detected (or they may have just stolen a swipe card)????? Dunno....
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I guess we interpret things differently :D
Mark Kelly haha, "Ask themselves if they are feeling uncomfortable because of an ethical quandary, or whether it was just the curry they had for lunch."
Yeahhh.. I don't think he likes the exam much :P
"Hey, I like the way you don't let morality stand in the way of profit. Can I buy shares in your company?" lol
I also liked the suggestion for the IT workers to "ask their mothers"... It sounds pretty apt for a section of the IT industry :P
I wrote down that the IT workers should not worry about it unless the work is illegal. Really, in that case study, you are a client of the business Cheryl works for, and when you are in that situation, you have to do what the company wants, not always what you think is best. Having said that, the IT workers have a responsibility to ensure that what they are doing is legal, and to avoid any illegal activity.
Mark Kelly got Question 11a wrong?
i put =(G6-B6)
because it asks for the weeks growth compared to the week before? he just adds them all...
Yeah, thats what I wrote.
Same here. He is wrong because C6:G6 tracked the height of the plants, not the difference in height. Even if you missed the column headers, you could tell that by looking at the data in H6. 15 is definitely not the sum of CG:G6...
Good exam though, quite challenging, disappointed about the lack of VLOOKUPS, (REPLACED with a nested IF wtf?!?? was not expecting that one D: ) and lack of questions on laws.
Haha same here.
I think Mark made a few mistakes, although I'm sure these were typos:
Question 11 MC
He says PDFs aren't image files, yet the answer he gives (D) includes pdf. I think he meant to say C.
Yep, well spotted there.
Question 16 MC
He says they're links between common primary keys, yet many of the fields he links weren't primary keys. They were unique and *could have* been primary keys, but they didn't feature the key symbol beside them. His answer was A, but I think it should have been B.
I picked A because all the relationships were either one to many or many to one, but I think you have a point there...
Question 3 MC
He says a keyboard swipe doesn't exist, but what's this? http://www.google.com.au/images?q=keyboard%20swipe&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1028&bih=869. It looks like a mobile keyboard an unauthorised user would type his password into. Furthermore, his answer, CCTV, wouldn't have the video quality to see what was occurring on a screen. It might not even be facing the screen and would almost definitely be too far away, and its view may be even covered by the hacker 's body too.
Ooo, good find, though I find it odd that the exam writers would refer to such a relatively obscure technology that none of us have really ever heard of. I do agree that CCTV would not be accurate for the purpose, and the other methods do not make any sense. I suppose we'll have to wait for the examiner's report on that one...
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According to Kelly, I lost around 10 marks in all. Most of them on that Chef question.
P.S. My IT teacher said that MC Question 3 might be taken out of the exam, apparently many teachers cannot even agree on a single answer.
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Question 3 MC
He says a keyboard swipe doesn't exist, but what's this? http://www.google.com.au/images?q=keyboard%20swipe&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1028&bih=869. It looks like a mobile keyboard an unauthorised user would type his password into. Furthermore, his answer, CCTV, wouldn't have the video quality to see what was occurring on a screen. It might not even be facing the screen and would almost definitely be too far away, and its view may be even covered by the hacker 's body too.
Lol I think those images are just for android phones? which is keyboard swype?
The fact remains that it exists. In any case, I think the other options are bogus. Come to think of it, it might be encryption software if you're talking about *file* encryption software which can place passwords on files (e.g. WinRAR.)
It wanted to detect, not prevent. All of the other options, including a swipe-card (or keyboard swipe lolwut?) are methods of preventing. A CCTV feed will physically show the person watching it that there is an intruder, and hence they have "detected" him/her.
You've presumed 'detect' is in the past tense. You can 'detect' things as they happen, too.
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sweet!
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Question 3 MC
He says a keyboard swipe doesn't exist, but what's this? http://www.google.com.au/images?q=keyboard%20swipe&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1028&bih=869. It looks like a mobile keyboard an unauthorised user would type his password into. Furthermore, his answer, CCTV, wouldn't have the video quality to see what was occurring on a screen. It might not even be facing the screen and would almost definitely be too far away, and its view may be even covered by the hacker 's body too.
Lol I think those images are just for android phones? which is keyboard swype?
The fact remains that it exists. In any case, I think the other options are bogus. Come to think of it, it might be encryption software if you're talking about *file* encryption software which can place passwords on files (e.g. WinRAR.)
It wanted to detect, not prevent. All of the other options, including a swipe-card (or keyboard swipe lolwut?) are methods of preventing. A CCTV feed will physically show the person watching it that there is an intruder, and hence they have "detected" him/her.
You've presumed 'detect' is in the past tense. You can 'detect' things as they happen, too.
CCTV is real-time and present. What would a swipe card do to help you detect? It could be argued that you can "detect" someone trying to enter without a swipe-card I guess, but I made the assumption that the intruder has stolen someone's swipe card or something similar, in which the swipe-card system would do nothing. Similar logic crosses out the other two options.
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According to Kelly, I lost around 10 marks in all. Most of them on that Chef question.
P.S. My IT teacher said that MC Question 3 might be taken out of the exam, apparently many teachers cannot even agree on a single answer.
Would be awesome if this was true, would give me 19/19.
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According to Kelly, I lost around 10 marks in all. Most of them on that Chef question.
P.S. My IT teacher said that MC Question 3 might be taken out of the exam, apparently many teachers cannot even agree on a single answer.
pretty sure they just give everyone the mark..
Would be awesome if this was true, would give me 19/19.
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Question 3 MC
He says a keyboard swipe doesn't exist, but what's this? http://www.google.com.au/images?q=keyboard%20swipe&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1028&bih=869. It looks like a mobile keyboard an unauthorised user would type his password into. Furthermore, his answer, CCTV, wouldn't have the video quality to see what was occurring on a screen. It might not even be facing the screen and would almost definitely be too far away, and its view may be even covered by the hacker 's body too.
Lol I think those images are just for android phones? which is keyboard swype?
The fact remains that it exists. In any case, I think the other options are bogus. Come to think of it, it might be encryption software if you're talking about *file* encryption software which can place passwords on files (e.g. WinRAR.)
It wanted to detect, not prevent. All of the other options, including a swipe-card (or keyboard swipe lolwut?) are methods of preventing. A CCTV feed will physically show the person watching it that there is an intruder, and hence they have "detected" him/her.
You've presumed 'detect' is in the past tense. You can 'detect' things as they happen, too.
CCTV is real-time and present. What would a swipe card do to help you detect? It could be argued that you can "detect" someone trying to enter without a swipe-card I guess, but I made the assumption that the intruder has stolen someone's swipe card or something similar, in which the swipe-card system would do nothing. Similar logic crosses out the other two options.
It wasn't a swipe card - it was a keyboard swipe (google image search it - it's a recently developed electronic keyboard).
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It wasn't a swipe card - it was a keyboard swipe (google image search it - it's a recently developed electronic keyboard).
From the google image search you provided I determined that they're referring to the keyboards with built in swipe-card components. The digital keyboard is a software keyboard for android phones called "Swype" which is completely irrelevant to the question as it is simply a method of entering text by "swiping" across the letters without removing your finger from the screen....
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It wasn't a swipe card - it was a keyboard swipe (google image search it - it's a recently developed electronic keyboard).
From the google image search you provided I determined that they're referring to the keyboards with built in swipe-card components. The digital keyboard is a software keyboard for android phones called "Swype" which is completely irrelevant to the question as it is simply a method of entering text by "swiping" across the letters without removing your finger from the screen....
It's one letter's difference - the brand wrote 'y' to sell it, the actual technology would be called wipe I presume. In either cases, the other options are completely bogus aside from maybe encryption software if it meant offline file encryption like WinRAR.
In either case, no one got this question right, and if they did it was a guess.
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If you want to see a keyboard swipe in action, just visit your local bank branch. Pretty sure they use something similar to that suggested by Google (and I don't mean an ATM/EFTPOS type machine, an actual keyboard with a swiping part on it.)
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^Even better.
Here's another link with the spelling 'swipe' - http://lifehacker.com/5520997/slideit-is-a-pretty-accurate-swipe+based-android-keyboard
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When does the examiners report come out? After we get our results I presume?
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^Even better.
Here's another link with the spelling 'swipe' - http://lifehacker.com/5520997/slideit-is-a-pretty-accurate-swipe+based-android-keyboard
When it says 'swipe-based', doesn't it refer to the actual motion of swiping? And if you read the article, it's basically just an alternative to the original 'swype' keyboard for android phones.
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It's one letter's difference - the brand wrote 'y' to sell it, the actual technology would be called wipe I presume. In either cases, the other options are completely bogus aside from maybe encryption software if it meant offline file encryption like WinRAR.
In either case, no one got this question right, and if they did it was a guess.
The 'brand' is actually the inventor of the input style, the technology is definitely called Swype and is clearly not what the question was referring to since it's way outside the scope of the IT course. IT isn't about keeping up with every single advance in technology by every single company. If that was the case everyone would read Engadget rather than a textbook. Consdering the course is several years old, swype was not even around then.... And in either case, I didn't "guess" the answer I choose, I still maintain that CCTV is correct and I chose it based off eliminating the options that don't make sense.
If you want to see a keyboard swipe in action, just visit your local bank branch. Pretty sure they use something similar to that suggested by Google (and I don't mean an ATM/EFTPOS type machine, an actual keyboard with a swiping part on it.)
This is how I would define a keyboard swipe too, it's merely a physical incarnation of a password as far as I'm concerned.
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So, we have a question (mind you, probably VCAA's best m.c question for ITA in history)
Question 3
The best equipment to detect unauthorised access to a password-protected file would be
A. keyboard swipe.
B. encryption software.
C. closed circuit television.
D. virus protection software.
Let's get over a few ambiguities
Definition
Detect: to discover something, usually using special equipment
Examples :
High levels of lead were detected in the atmosphere.
Radar equipment is used to detect (= find the position of) enemy aircraft.
So we have to choose an equipment which can detect something, the equipment has to be smart.
CCTV - laggy, at best i'm assuming 30 FPS.
CCTV FOOTAGE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgHQgpNub2Q
CCTV Camera: http://www.newsbiscuit.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Outside-Camera.jpg
It may be able to record someone walk into a room, use the computer, but it will not DETECT unauthorised access to a password protected file. For this, you need something smart.
And if any of you can suggest a way to put a CCTV camera, close enough to a computer screen to see what's going on (which i don't think works anyway) without someone noticing it, you must be a genius. (What's the point of putting a CCTV in front of a computer screen? Such limited vision.)
Anyways, so it can't be C.
Anyone who studied, would know encryption is the scrambling of data during transmission, so if intercepted, it cannot be read.
An anti-virus looks for virus signatures/malicious behaviour to seek a threat out and destroy it.
VCAA didn't expect us to know what the keyboard swipe thing was, this was not mentioned anywhere in the textbook.
We are supposed to figure the question out by eliminating the obvious incorrect answers.
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Encryption can also mean the encryption of files and protection with a password like WinRAR. I reckon it's encryption or keyboard swipe. I think both are correct.
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I don't know if this sounds stupid, but can virus protection software trace a Trojan horse? Can't a Trojan horse access a password-protected file and the anti-virus software will then detect the virus signatures?
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I ended up tossing up between Virus detection software and keyboard swipe, because virus detection software will notify you of malicious virus behaviour. But it WONT tell you "Whilst you were gone, someone tried to type your password in and got it wrong"
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Theoretically speaking, a virus (like any other program) could be programmed to break through the password (e.g. dictionary attack, brute force) but that is casting an enormous bow.
Seriously, at different measures of possibility, every one of these answers is correct.
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Is a swipe card like the things that they use in banks, like in the keyboard?
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The question asks for a software/equipment which will tell you "someone accessed this whilst you were away"
Not for something which can break through passwords.
I don't know what a keyboard swipe is, but process of elimination leads me to believe that it cannot be B, C or D
Even though i changed my answer to D at the last moment T_T
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<snip>
From Myriam-Webster, the first source I tried
Detect: to discover or determine the existence, presence, or fact of <detect alcohol in the blood>
Question 3
The best equipment to detect unauthorised access to a password-protected file would be
A. keyboard swipe.
B. encryption software.
C. closed circuit television.
D. virus protection software.
A - Taking any of the interpretations of A in this thread, a faster method for texting on the go is completely irrelevant. A swipe card system will prevent access for those who don't have the proper card, but it won't detect an intruder who has stolen a card or hacked the system somehow.
B - Encryption software, again will prevent access in the case of file encryption, or in the case of network encryption will prevent access to the core data that is being transmitted.
C - Closed circuit television will provide a real-time or delayed feed showing a person accessing the system. Your assumptions about being laggy and of low quality are not inherit of CCTV. For all we know they plan on using a 1080p camera pointed directly at the screen or pointing from the screen right at the intruders face. Never mind that, simply seeing a figure in the room at the computer who is not a member of staff and cannot be accounted for immediately shows that someone is using the system without authorization (detection)
D - Perhaps we can make the argument that anti-virus software is able to detect access by viruses on the system, but I don't think that was the intended interpretation. I believe "access" was by a physical human.
It's pretty obvious to me that C is the "best" answer...
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An anti-virus looks for virus signatures/malicious behaviour to seek a threat out and destroy it.
Who said that the file was accessed by a person? It could have been a virus. Some virus scanners scan every file accessed by computer applications, viruses included.
The issue is that the question asks too much and the answers cannot completely match the question. If the phase "password-protected" was to be removed then virus protection could very well be the answer.
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Mark Kelly's answers are out: http://www.vceit.com/postmortems/2010ita/index.htm
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I chose C, but now I'm really leaning towards D.. "access" could be from anywhere, it just depends how you interpret it. Plus, the anti-virus software will be more specific with when it was detected, what type of virus it is etc. (assuming you've got good software)
The CCTV may not be the BEST equipment, I'm afraid..
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A - The question asked for equipment, not the entire software package to compare passwords. Swipe could be used as the equipment with the software solution using it to filter out bad passwords, much in the same way that your keyboard is linked to your operating system.
B - I agree with you for different reasons. I know this afternoon I've been saying encryption might be the answer, but in reading the question again this isn't 'equipment' - it's software.
C - How do you know their accessing a password-protected file? What if it's a file they're allowed to access? Possible, but absurd.
D - I agree with you here - possible but an incredibly long shot.
Edit: I have an exam tomorrow (Revs) so I'm retiring from this date. I think any of them could have been right, you never know what the VCAA is saying. This question should be taken out from the marking.
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Mark Kelly's answers are out: http://www.vceit.com/postmortems/2010ita/index.htm
bit late, but thanks anywaiis :P
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An anti-virus looks for virus signatures/malicious behaviour to seek a threat out and destroy it.
Who said that the file was accessed by a person? It could have been a virus. Some virus scanners scan every file accessed by computer applications, viruses included.
The issue is that the question asks too much and the answers cannot completely match the question. If the phase "password-protected" was to be removed then virus protection could very well be the answer.
This was my reason for jumping to D in the end. BUT, i still think D is not a good enough answer, and, I'm positive it's not C.
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Gah.. imagine if you were the examiner writing this question with his sole intention being 'hoho, I bet they don't know people can access password-protected files from another computer.'
It looks a lot like anti-virus software to me..
My mum told me it would be D, and she knows jack shit about software :P
Did ANYONE choose D? :|
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correct me if i'm wrong but did Mark KElly make a mistake in question 11?
How does =SUM(C6:G6) = 15?
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Gah.. imagine if you were the examiner writing this question with his sole intention being 'hoho, I bet they don't know people can access password-protected files from another computer.'
It looks a lot like anti-virus software to me..
My mum told me it would be D, and she knows jack shit about software :P
Did ANYONE choose D? :|
I chose d. But it's software, the question asks for equipment. See B and D are equipment.
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yea, i'm fairly sure he misread the question and made a silly mistake.
And it's supposed to be =(H6-B6), to find the height growth. (End growth minus original growth)
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Gah.. imagine if you were the examiner writing this question with his sole intention being 'hoho, I bet they don't know people can access password-protected files from another computer.'
It looks a lot like anti-virus software to me..
My mum told me it would be D, and she knows jack shit about software :P
Did ANYONE choose D? :|
A conversation with my mate on facebook:
Ostensibly the best option was just antivirus software, 'cause it could potentially be modified to notice alterations not performed by the user. CCTV would only really work if they were physically there, which a good thief wouldn't be.
Weird question though.
I assume a keyboard swipe is like one of those credit card machines, but there's a swipe thing built into the keyboard to function as a password protect. I *think*.
He chose D.
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"Let's hope the examiner's report gets it right too! Last year, they didn't.
This was a bit too easy for the sharp end of the examination, I thought."
I wish he wouldn't be so cocky...
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yea, i'm fairly sure he misread the question and made a silly mistake.
And it's supposed to be =(H6-B6), to find the height growth. (End growth minus original growth)
Correction. =(G6-B6), but im sure that was just a mistype.
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I'm so shattered, I could have sworn on my life that there was a difference formula. -.-----
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yea, i'm fairly sure he misread the question and made a silly mistake.
And it's supposed to be =(H6-B6), to find the height growth. (End growth minus original growth)
"Let's hope the examiner's report gets it right too! Last year, they didn't.
This was a bit too easy for the sharp end of the examination, I thought."
I wish he wouldn't be so cocky...
Haha, you can tell he's just tryna be funny. He seems like a nice guy, i sent him a thank you email for being of so much help
yea, i'm fairly sure he misread the question and made a silly mistake.
And it's supposed to be =(H6-B6), to find the height growth. (End growth minus original growth)
Correction. =(G6-B6), but im sure that was just a mistype.
Na i just guessed the cells, Ceebs opening the exam again :D
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Haha, you can tell he's just tryna be funny. He seems like a nice guy, i sent him a thank you email for being of so much help
Me too! But did you get tons of randoms trying to add you on MSN immediately afterwards?
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oh, i used my gmail :D
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Mark Kelly's answers are out: http://www.vceit.com/postmortems/2010ita/index.htm
bit late, but thanks anywaiis :P
haha oops didnt realise u had them already
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Looking through his answers, I think I got:
19/20 for MC (excusing his error for that image question).
67/70 for the short answer.
Total = 86/90
Mistakes:
MC Q16: Chose B, should be A (acknowledge I am wrong). (-1 mark)
6 a: Listing the records that you'd expect to get from that query (silly mistake, damn overconfidence). (-1 mark)
7 c: For designing that page that you'd expect to see, I designed one that ignored the whole login process and just showed the portal home page as if someone had logged in. Is this acceptable? I don't know. Presumably not. (-2 marks)
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86/90 for IT exam is ace. probably 50 study score if u are ranked 1 in sac. GW
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7 c: For designing that page that you'd expect to see, I designed one that ignored the whole login process and just showed the portal home page as if someone had logged in. Is this acceptable? I don't know. Presumably not. (-2 marks)
I think you'd get one mark if design-wise your plan was good.
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86/90 for IT exam is ace. probably 50 study score if u are ranked 1 in sac. GW
I don't know. I'm either first or second. My teacher won't tell the class how they do in relation to each other (annoying for someone like me who actually cares).
I think you'd get one mark if design-wise your plan was good.
It wasn't great. I didn't bother with annotations and stuff (for two marks it seemed excessive) and my design skills went straight out the window under exam pressure. I did include a little joke out of boredom, though (a graph of "student intelligence vs. time" with a trend line of e^x because I'm so cool like that).
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I can't believe everyone thought that was the easiest exam. I only finished with 20 mins, and came out feeling like it went meh. Good exam though.
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I can't believe everyone thought that was the easiest exam. I only finished with 20 mins, and came out feeling like it went meh. Good exam though.
Yeah me too, I finished with around 20 minutes. I found it harder then previous ones, and thought it was a little less I.T theory based, more common sense. No laws, no information systems, no difficult formulas to write...
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Yea, defs disappointed with the no laws and formulas :(. I knew those very well..
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50
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hey guys someone predict my study score please?
Section A: 16/20
Section B: 64/70
Total: 80/90
My ranking for my cohort is 6th out of 8, but we have an above average cohort.
SAC: B+
What u reckon ill get for a study score?
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Hm, I'm guessing it could be anywhere between low 30s to low 40s. Not sure though...
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Hm, I'm guessing it could be anywhere between low 30s to low 40s. Not sure though...
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doubt low 30's, if it is im screwwwwwwwwwwedd :(
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Considering that the A+ cutoff for the last few years have been ~68/90 and Ell got 49 with 78/90 in 08, chopz would probably get 45+, depending on his cohort since rank is low.
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Would you say this exam was easier, or last years?
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Considering that the A+ cutoff for the last few years have been ~68/90 and Ell got 49 with 78/90 in 08, chopz would probably get 45+, depending on his cohort since rank is low.
Wait a 68/90 is worth 49? Wow, what is the cut-off for 50 (roughly speaking), assuming first rank in sacs?
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Considering that the A+ cutoff for the last few years have been ~68/90 and Ell got 49 with 78/90 in 08, chopz would probably get 45+, depending on his cohort since rank is low.
Wait a 68/90 is worth 49? Wow, what is the cut-off for 50 (roughly speaking), assuming first rank in sacs?
No the A+ cutoff was 68/90 which means the top 10% of the state. (SS 39-50)
The 49 was 78/90.
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Considering that the A+ cutoff for the last few years have been ~68/90 and Ell got 49 with 78/90 in 08, chopz would probably get 45+, depending on his cohort since rank is low.
Wait a 68/90 is worth 49? Wow, what is the cut-off for 50 (roughly speaking), assuming first rank in sacs?
No the A+ cutoff was 68/90 which means the top 10% of the state. (SS 39-50)
The 49 was 78/90.
Sweet im relieved, that means ell's year wasn't full of bright students :P
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Hm, I'm guessing it could be anywhere between low 30s to low 40s. Not sure though...
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doubt low 30's, if it is im screwwwwwwwwwwedd :(
yeah on second thought i would be surprised if you get low 30s. I'll take that back and say mid 30s at the bare minimum considering that exam result would be medium - high in the A+ range...
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Lol that would certainly be nice :P
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so how long do we wait for the results to come back?
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so how long do we wait for the results to come back?
http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce_results.html should give you more info.
Here's a question. Are we given the individual assessment marks when the study scores are released?
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so how long do we wait for the results to come back?
http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce_results.html should give you more info.
Here's a question. Are we given the individual assessment marks when the study scores are released?
Do you mean our GA1,2&3?
I think it comes in the form of:
GA1, GA2, GA3, SS
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Considering that the A+ cutoff for the last few years have been ~68/90 and Ell got 49 with 78/90 in 08, chopz would probably get 45+, depending on his cohort since rank is low.
Wait a 68/90 is worth 49? Wow, what is the cut-off for 50 (roughly speaking), assuming first rank in sacs?
No the A+ cutoff was 68/90 which means the top 10% of the state. (SS 39-50)
The 49 was 78/90.
Oh my mistake, I meant 78/90. I still find that ridiculously low for a 49. I would have thought a 50 was reserved for 100% and a 49 would be the result of dropping one or two marks. I guess not.
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Considering that the A+ cutoff for the last few years have been ~68/90 and Ell got 49 with 78/90 in 08, chopz would probably get 45+, depending on his cohort since rank is low.
Wait a 68/90 is worth 49? Wow, what is the cut-off for 50 (roughly speaking), assuming first rank in sacs?
No the A+ cutoff was 68/90 which means the top 10% of the state. (SS 39-50)
The 49 was 78/90.
Oh my mistake, I meant 78/90. I still find that ridiculously low for a 49. I would have thought a 50 was reserved for 100% and a 49 would be the result of dropping one or two marks. I guess not.
yeah, read more about it here: http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,28950.0.html
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so how long do we wait for the results to come back?
http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce_results.html should give you more info.
Here's a question. Are we given the individual assessment marks when the study scores are released?
Do you mean our GA1,2&3?
I think it comes in the form of:
GA1, GA2, GA3, SS
Yes it does come in the form of that, and if u want to see what questions u got wrong,
u need to request it from then, which cost a few dollars...
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so how long do we wait for the results to come back?
http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce_results.html should give you more info.
Here's a question. Are we given the individual assessment marks when the study scores are released?
Do you mean our GA1,2&3?
I think it comes in the form of:
GA1, GA2, GA3, SS
Yes it does come in the form of that, and if u want to see what questions u got wrong,
u need to request it from then, which cost a few dollars...
Do you know about how long statement of marks usually take to arrive?
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Are the questions we got wrong shown if we get our results from the internet?
What do we need to access our accounts on the internet?
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Are the questions we got wrong shown if we get our results from the internet?
What do we need to access our accounts on the internet?
I doubt it. It's commercially beneficial for VCAA to charge people for the privilege :P
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Lets say i'm ranked 3rd in my cohort overall and i got a 70/90 for the exam. What kind of score would i be expecting.
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I'm ranked 1st in my cohort and I lost a couple of marks, I think roughly about 1 or 2 multiple choice questions and possibly upto 13 or so marks in short answers >.> I'm seriously expecting like 30's and it's bumming me out >.>
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Lets say i'm ranked 3rd in my cohort overall and i got a 70/90 for the exam. What kind of score would i be expecting.
Depending on how other people in your cohort went in the exam. I think around low to mid 30s.
EDIT:
My exam results, based off Mark Kelly's answers.
Section 1:
Got Q3,6 and 16 incorrect. Q6 was a silly mistake. (-3 marks).
Section 2:
Q3c. Wrongly defined online content sensitive help, might get a mark for a rough idea. (-1/2 marks).
Q7b. Plain old incorrect. (-2 marks).
Q7c. Forgot to include a login system, might get a mark. (-1/2 marks).
Overall: (-7 to -9)
Therefore... 81-83/90
But I'd be happy with 75/90...
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I'd still argue vehemently that Q16 MC is not Primary Keys in different tables, as Mark Kelly has answered.
(http://vceit.com/postmortems/2010ita/a16.jpg)
The relationships A, B and C all create links between
A. primary keys in different tables.
B. common fields in different tables.
C. calculated fields in different tables.
D. archived records in different tables.
They are not primary keys in all the tables. :\
Edit:
Section 1: 18/20 I've marked the one above that I disagree with as wrong. And Q3 as wrong as I went with A...what a dumb question.
Section 2: 68/70 Though that's likely to change depending on how the hell the assessors will mark the ethic questions.
Overall: 86/90
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I also believe mark kelly is wrong.
Those are not all primary keys. Music teacher ID in table 3 is not a primary key.
I selected B) "common fields in different tables."
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I concur with you guys. Those fields are ideal to be selected as primary keys, but the fact remains the developer left them as ordinary fields. We know this because there's no key symbol.
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They're not all ideal to be primary keys. The music teachers can teach at more than one school, meaning that it can't be a primary key for that table. Besides, the musicteacherID would be a poor unique identifier for the school.
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They have the key symbol right next to them?
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Not at both ends they don't.
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I can definitely see the logic in that, and I reckon that Mark Kelly (and myself as I picked A on the exam) is wrong. We'll just have to wait for the examiners report to come out i suppose. Damnit! lol
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Maybe someone should tell mark kelly
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My IT teacher has just taken our side! =) And he's an exam marker (although he hasn't received the official answers yet.)
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My IT teacher has just taken our side! =) And he's an exam marker (although he hasn't received the official answers yet.)
Do you know your teacher's opinion on the CCTV/keyboard swipe/anti virus question?
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Mine was marking the short answers for Apps and said it would be CCTV because the rest will not -detect- unauthorised access.
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Wasn't the question to prevent? I don't remember. But considering we're meant to know all about networks - CCTV is a pretty dumb answer.
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My IT teacher has just taken our side! =) And he's an exam marker (although he hasn't received the official answers yet.)
Do you know your teacher's opinion on the CCTV/keyboard swipe/anti virus question?
He says encryption software, but I don't think he considered it asked for 'equipment' and not software. I'm going to ask him when I next see him.
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My IT teacher has just taken our side! =) And he's an exam marker (although he hasn't received the official answers yet.)
Do you know your teacher's opinion on the CCTV/keyboard swipe/anti virus question?
He says encryption software, but I don't think he considered it asked for 'equipment' and not software. I'm going to ask him when I next see him.
man i hope his right, sorry guys lol. I chose encryption but i got no clue!
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I chose keyboard swipe and have not lost hope! :)
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Wasn't the question to prevent? I don't remember. But considering we're meant to know all about networks - CCTV is a pretty dumb answer.
The question was:
The best equipment to detect unauthorised access to a password-protected file would be
A. keyboard swipe.
B. encryption software.
C. closed circuit television.
D. virus protection software.
To be honest I'm not that happy with how the question was worded. There's no debate about the interpretation of the word 'detect', but what about the word 'best'. You could either interpret the word 'best' in this context as 'best solution possible' or 'best in the list'. I suppose you could argue that it was really inferring the latter because it was a multiple choice question, but i'm not so sure that's the right way to go about it...
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Wasn't the question to prevent? I don't remember. But considering we're meant to know all about networks - CCTV is a pretty dumb answer.
The question was:
The best equipment to detect unauthorised access to a password-protected file would be
A. keyboard swipe.
B. encryption software.
C. closed circuit television.
D. virus protection software.
To be honest I'm not that happy with how the question was worded. There's no debate about the interpretation of the word 'detect', but what about the word 'best'. You could either interpret the word 'best' in this context as 'best solution possible' or 'best in the list'. I suppose you could argue that it was really inferring the latter because it was a multiple choice question, but i'm not so sure that's the right way to go about it...
The best solution possible would be the best solution in the list though, it doesn't matter.
I'm still 100% sure it's A, even though i changed mine to D at the last second D:. (So if i hadn't gone over my exam, I would have got a higher score.)
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I picked keyboard swipe, but unless you're meant to assume that a user swipes their card when trying access a file that they are not authorised to access and the information system or administrator receives notification from this, I think the answer must be CCTV.
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I thought keyboard swipe was one of those biometric swipes on the laptop where you put your finger on the keyboard to get access. Thats why I chose it.
I guess I misinterpreted it.
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What did you guys write for Question 1 section B about the relationship betweens Absences.doc and reports 2009
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lol I just wrote 'Absences.doc' is a file stored in the folder 'reports 2009'.
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I wrote that the file contains the absences file contains absences from 2009, or something along the lines of that
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Yeap, probably the easiest question on the exam i got wrong. Because it asked "relationship" I said something about many to one relationships.
fml...
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Yeap, probably the easiest question on the exam i got wrong. Because it asked "relationship" I said something about many to one relationships.
fml...
lol bad luck man :) it was only like 1 mark?
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yeah oh well
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I wrote both, since I wasn't sure what they were asking:
The file is in the folder so and so.
Hence, the document is a report from 2009.
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so so so so so not looking forward to getting results on the 13th now :/
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I walked out of the exam thinking to myself, wow, that wasn't too bad...
and now i manage to find this forum and start stresssing to the max!
haha!
I mean, i made a deal with my mother so that if i get 42 as a raw score for ITA then she'd get me a MacBook Air (LOL),
so now im stressing not because of the mark i might get, but that i lost myself a macbook because of a stupid misworded question on keyboard swiping :/
I wonder how much they take the SACs into consideration, i mean i got 100% for SACs 1,2,4 and 98% for SAC 3 and got Dux of my class (very proud haha) but if i go really bad in the exam they could decide my teacher was too lenient?
Save me!!!
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Good News - 2 December 2010. A letter arrived from VCAA which said in part:
"In relation to VCE IT: IT Applications, Section A Question 3: Following consultation with the examination panel and study specialists, we have decided this item should not be used for differentiating student performance on the examination. Consequently, all students have received full marks for the question."
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Good News - 2 December 2010. A letter arrived from VCAA which said in part:
"In relation to VCE IT: IT Applications, Section A Question 3: Following consultation with the examination panel and study specialists, we have decided this item should not be used for differentiating student performance on the examination. Consequently, all students have received full marks for the question."
It just goes to show that miracles do happen... :P
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Following this... do you think the A+ cut off this year will be higher, lower or roughly the same?
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Damn, that's so awesome.
I think it will be slightly higher than what it would have been, everyone gets +1, meaning people with the correct answer who were 1 up on students with an incorrect answer will now be the same and thus lose their ranking.
= more students with higher scores
so so so so so not looking forward to getting results on the 13th now :/
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I walked out of the exam thinking to myself, wow, that wasn't too bad...
and now i manage to find this forum and start stresssing to the max!
haha!
I mean, i made a deal with my mother so that if i get 42 as a raw score for ITA then she'd get me a MacBook Air (LOL),
so now im stressing not because of the mark i might get, but that i lost myself a macbook because of a stupid misworded question on keyboard swiping :/
I wonder how much they take the SACs into consideration, i mean i got 100% for SACs 1,2,4 and 98% for SAC 3 and got Dux of my class (very proud haha) but if i go really bad in the exam they could decide my teacher was too lenient?
Save me!!!
It says 50% for SACs, but i believe it's quite a bit less (and i pray for this!). I got Low B+ average, getting 79% Average on my SACs throughout the year, but I think i did well on the exam, have a look at mark kelly's solutions if u havent already and check what you put. I'm sure you'll be fine.
The top 8% of the state get a study score of 40+, considering the state-wide IT cohort, this shouldn't be too hard!
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Following this... do you think the A+ cut off this year will be higher, lower or roughly the same?
Well, it'll be one point higher, which is neither an advantage nor a disadvantage to you because everyone now got that question right.
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Well, it'll be one point higher, which is neither an advantage nor a disadvantage to you because everyone now got that question right.
It's a slight disadvantage if he'd gotten it right isn't it?
Or, instead of out of 90 have they made it 89?
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How about I rephrase it lol..
Will the A+ cutoff this year in general comparison to last year's difficulty, be higher, lower or roughly the same?
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If he got it right he'd be at a disadvantage, but I think getting that question right was more of a one in four guess than anything else - it's so controversial. In either case, it was fair to eliminate this question.
And yes, the exam will still be out of 90, but you'll simply be guaranteed to get at least 1/90, although maybe not if you didn't put any answer in.
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Two more days till results..
Who do you reckon will get the highest out of all of us?
My top 2 are:
ben92
Plan-B
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lets just wait and see ;)