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Archived Discussion => 2010 => End-of-year exams => Exam Discussion => Victoria => Business Management => Topic started by: _avO on November 12, 2010, 05:38:24 pm
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20 MARKS ON THEORIES/MOTIVATION/HRM??
20 MARKS ON OPERATIONS
10 ON CHANGE WTF NO KOTTER GTFO
10 ON OTHER SHIT WTF IS THIS CRAP
this did not even reflect the new study design, nothing on kotter, nothing on ER,
/rant
EDIT: now that i've calmed down it was more like
4 on stakeholders
6 on management structures
5 marks on KPI's
15-20ish for operations management (6 marks on ESM, about 10 on strategies)
5 on the selection process.. er okay?
10 on change management (still no kotter :()
15 on motivation theories/human resource management
0 on employee relations (centralised and decentralised.. wow the most unexpected thing ever)
5 on management styles
0 on POLC ..wow gtfo
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20 MARKS ON THEORIES/MOTIVATION/HRM??
20 MARKS ON OPERATIONS
10 ON CHANGE WTF NO KOTTER GTFO
10 ON OTHER SHIT WTF IS THIS CRAP
this did not even reflect the new study design, nothing on kotter, nothing on ER,
/rant
Was it hard? Or just stupid questions?
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It wasn't really hard but it was just fkn stupid
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It wasn't really hard but it was just fkn stupid
What definitions were there?
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It wasn't really hard but it was just fkn stupid
What definitions were there?
What is a performance indicator?
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there was like one 1 mark question, six 4 marks, one 5 mark, four 6 marks, one 10 mark wow how unpredictable
It wasn't really hard but it was just fkn stupid
What definitions were there?
What is a performance indicator?
KPI same thing just talk about quantitative/qualitative and shit
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it was okay the only question i'm not sure with is the management style and structure..did every1 say consultative and geographical stucture?
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It wasn't really hard but it was just fkn stupid
What definitions were there?
What is a performance indicator?
HAHAHA. That's almost as bad as our one last year: Define Stakeholder. I'd learnt over 150 definitions, and that was the first one I ever learnt. So bloody stupid. The business exam writers are losing their credibility that's for sure.
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I said consultative and geographical :) hopefully its right!
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it was okay the only question i'm not sure with is the management style and structure..did every1 say consultative and geographical stucture?
hmm never heard of a consultative structure before. The only ones I've ever learned are vertical, horizontal, functional, divisional/geographical and matrix structure.
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noo i meant consultative style and for the structure question i did product based and geographical structure~~~woot guess i wasnt wrong
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Consultative style
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noo i meant consultative style and for the structure question i did product based and geographical structure~~~woot guess i wasnt wrong
ahhk. I personally said autocratic style cos they have to make a decison quickly and withdraw the products or else more children become poisoned.
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Yeah I was torn between the two
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20 MARKS ON THEORIES/MOTIVATION/HRM??
20 MARKS ON OPERATIONS
10 ON CHANGE WTF NO KOTTER GTFO
10 ON OTHER SHIT WTF IS THIS CRAP
this did not even reflect the new study design, nothing on kotter, nothing on ER,
/rant
EDIT: now that i've calmed down it was more like
4 on stakeholders
6 on management structures
5 marks on KPI's
15-20ish for operations management (6 marks on ESM, about 10 on strategies)
5 on the selection process.. er okay?
10 on change management (still no kotter :()
15 on motivation theories/human resource management
0 on employee relations (centralised and decentralised.. wow the most unexpected thing ever)
5 on management styles
I fully agree man. It was a grossly imbalanced exam. Nothing on Kotter, ER, management skills or roles etc
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I said autocratic,
and I talked about vertical (bureaucratic) and horizontal (flat) and said a flatter structure was better
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Does anyone have a spare copy of the exam they can upload?
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20 MARKS ON THEORIES/MOTIVATION/HRM??
20 MARKS ON OPERATIONS
10 ON CHANGE WTF NO KOTTER GTFO
10 ON OTHER SHIT WTF IS THIS CRAP
this did not even reflect the new study design, nothing on kotter, nothing on ER,
/rant
EDIT: now that i've calmed down it was more like
4 on stakeholders
6 on management structures
5 marks on KPI's
15-20ish for operations management (6 marks on ESM, about 10 on strategies)
5 on the selection process.. er okay?
10 on change management (still no kotter :()
15 on motivation theories/human resource management
0 on employee relations (centralised and decentralised.. wow the most unexpected thing ever)
5 on management styles
I fully agree man. It was a grossly imbalanced exam. Nothing on Kotter, ER, management skills or roles etc
oh wow nothing on POLC too that was just ridiculous
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Yeah I was torn between the two
I'm sure if you backed up your chosen style well they'll give you marks.
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Yeah, autocratic due to the urgency of the matter? :S
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yeah that could be one way of appraoching it, for consultative i said that the manager must organise meeting to discuss the issue of the poisioning which could be due to the fact of job dissatisfaction and low monitoring of quality~~~but the manager must also retain ultimate control over the final decision and make the best quality decision overall
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Yeah, autocratic due to the urgency of the matter? :S
That was my reasoning
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i sorta had to repeat what I said for two of the questions. it was the 2nd part of Locke's theory and the question after that (reward management and other benefits of locke's theory)
i said autocratic because there was no reason for discussion as it is not only a matter of reputation but it can result to the business being sued for poor quality and poisonous toys
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the management structure was only referring geographical, product based and functional right>???????because i didnt write anyfin on whether the structure was centralised or decentralised ..OMG
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I had no idea I tossed up between discussing about geo/divisional/functional but it wasn't easy to compare and contrast that so I decided to talk about centralised/decentralised
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Did anyone have trouble completing the exam? I only half did the structure Q
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but the case study said that the business was going to expand to a new market..therefore wouldnt it be more right to discuss about the horizontal structure..?~~not sure= =
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Am I the only one who didnt talk bout kotter in the last Q? wasnt sure whether it was actually relevant..
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this may seem like a really stupid question but what's a management function? i just could not remember ever learning it
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er...it didnt really say to include kotter so i didnt say anything on that , sigh~~have no idea where the 10 mark is going in the last question sniffT.T
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this may seem like a really stupid question but what's a management function? i just could not remember ever learning it
OM, HRM, finance/administration, R and D, marketing/sales management
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this may seem like a really stupid question but what's a management function? i just could not remember ever learning it
I believe it's Operations, Human resources, I.T., Finance, Marketing etc.
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chill guys, last exam for most of you? go relax!
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My Experience with the Exam:
2 Management Functions
WTF, when has that ever happened?
Alot of people did POLC, but pretty sure they are wrong then!
Compare/Contrast 2 Management Structures?
I did Geographical and Functional, but once again, WTF
Kotter
Did you go missing or something mate?
But the 10 Marker wasn't too bad overall, it could be answered quite well
Selection Process
Once again, WTF?
I included things like Selection Criteria, Screening etc, but didn't know there were more processes?
Ummmm that's about all
WTF FML etc
Anyone care to reassess their A+ cutoff?
I reckon it'll almost be lower than last year
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goddamit, i did it on polc
i shoulda realised after it referring to strategies and function as in functional structure
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this may seem like a really stupid question but what's a management function? i just could not remember ever learning it
isnt that like operations, hrm etc?
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My Experience with the Exam:
2 Management Functions
WTF, when has that ever happened?
Alot of people did POLC, but pretty sure they are wrong then!
Compare/Contrast 2 Management Structures?
I did Geographical and Functional, but once again, WTF
Kotter
Did you go missing or something mate?
But the 10 Marker wasn't too bad overall, it could be answered quite well
Selection Process
Once again, WTF?
I included things like Selection Criteria, Screening etc, but didn't know there were more processes?
Ummmm that's about all
WTF FML etc
Anyone care to reassess their A+ cutoff?
I reckon it'll almost be lower than last year
I'd say definately lower than last yr. For the question the required two functions, if you talked about operations management and the specific strategy such as Quality control, would that be ok?
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i had my selection process as
short-listing and screening
interviews
background checks
tests
advising all applicants of outcome
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Oh shit I can't believe i forgot testing LOL.. :P gg 1 mark. This question is a SAC question not an exam one.. dammit
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i had my selection process as
short-listing and screening
interviews
background checks
tests
advising all applicants of outcome
same but previously to writing that i talked about recritment to hopefullt pad it and get an extra one or two marks
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My Experience with the Exam:
2 Management Functions
WTF, when has that ever happened?
Alot of people did POLC, but pretty sure they are wrong then!
Compare/Contrast 2 Management Structures?
I did Geographical and Functional, but once again, WTF
Kotter
Did you go missing or something mate?
But the 10 Marker wasn't too bad overall, it could be answered quite well
Selection Process
Once again, WTF?
I included things like Selection Criteria, Screening etc, but didn't know there were more processes?
Ummmm that's about all
WTF FML etc
Anyone care to reassess their A+ cutoff?
I reckon it'll almost be lower than last year
I'd say definately lower than last yr. For the question the required two functions, if you talked about operations management and the specific strategy such as Quality control, would that be ok?
that's what I did, talked about quality management and talked a bit about quality control, same with human resource management (and training and development)
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yeah i kinda had recruiting in my definition of selection
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i know they didnt say Kotter but were we meant to include it? some did some didn't
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noo i meant consultative style and for the structure question i did product based and geographical structure~~~woot guess i wasnt wrong
ahhk. I personally said autocratic style cos they have to make a decison quickly and withdraw the products or else more children become poisoned.
Agreed.
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i know, iw as tossing to include kotter or not
oh wells, weird exam
very very weird, did people finsih in time?
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Did not know what the Management functions were, so just wrote communication and teamwork. Really don't care what I get since its my last exam! IM FREE!!!!!!!
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i know they didnt say Kotter but were we meant to include it? some did some didn't
I personally don't know how could be incorporated into the Q cos it talked about driving and restraining forces, not about the process of change.
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My Experience with the Exam:
2 Management Functions
WTF, when has that ever happened?
Alot of people did POLC, but pretty sure they are wrong then!
Compare/Contrast 2 Management Structures?
I did Geographical and Functional, but once again, WTF
Kotter
Did you go missing or something mate?
But the 10 Marker wasn't too bad overall, it could be answered quite well
Selection Process
Once again, WTF?
I included things like Selection Criteria, Screening etc, but didn't know there were more processes?
Ummmm that's about all
WTF FML etc
Anyone care to reassess their A+ cutoff?
I reckon it'll almost be lower than last year
I'd say definately lower than last yr. For the question the required two functions, if you talked about operations management and the specific strategy such as Quality control, would that be ok?
that's what I did, talked about quality management and talked a bit about quality control, same with human resource management (and training and development)
yeah exactly wut i did, wrote about quality and how its ethical to make sure there isnt any defective products sold to customers and with human resource, i wrote about training to keep employees motivated which increase productivity cant remember ==
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To think bisman would give me some respite from the overall harshness of the 2010 exams....boy was i wrong
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So wait, you guys didn't see any polc? That's a worry, because I remember polc is something that HAS to be on the exam. It's like a rule or something. Is everyone sure it wasn't on there? :S
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So wait, you guys didn't see any polc? That's a worry, because I remember polc is something that HAS to be on the exam. It's like a rule or something. Is everyone sure it wasn't on there? :S
100%
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i wrote abot "quality assurance". i was stuck for time so i quickly said that an esm issue is not to bribe for coerce the independant agency. could that be right?
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So wait, you guys didn't see any polc? That's a worry, because I remember polc is something that HAS to be on the exam. It's like a rule or something. Is everyone sure it wasn't on there? :S
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nope nothing on polc for sure
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That was probably the worst exam I've ever seen
For the management functions question a lot of people put POLC including myself and I personally don't see how we are wrong
The words "functions" and "roles" are synonyms, very poor choice of wording on VCAA's behalf
Technically the FUNCTIONS of managers are HR, Operations, I.T shit like that but some of those functions do not apply to all organisations, however all organisations need to plan, organise, lead and control therefore it would be more appropriate to use POLC. VCAA needs to take a lot into consideration when marking
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for an organisation to operate they must have the basic function of Human resource and operation function = = so u could atleast use those 2 examples
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You are right in that respect, but the question was ambiguous in that not ALL management functions apply to ever organisation, which is how people got confused
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That was probably the worst exam I've ever seen
For the management functions question a lot of people put POLC including myself and I personally don't see how we are wrong
The words "functions" and "roles" are synonyms, very poor choice of wording on VCAA's behalf
Technically the FUNCTIONS of managers are HR, Operations, I.T shit like that but some of those functions do not apply to all organisations, however all organisations need to plan, organise, lead and control therefore it would be more appropriate to use POLC. VCAA needs to take a lot into consideration when marking
Management functions is POLC, from what I remember... http://www.freeonlineresearchpapers.com/functions-management >> scroll down..
So yes, writing on POLC is what you should have done. What did other people do? Was there something written that made POLC seem wrong to write about or something? If it was worded really weirdly they'll probably accept quite a few answers.
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That was probably the worst exam I've ever seen
For the management functions question a lot of people put POLC including myself and I personally don't see how we are wrong
The words "functions" and "roles" are synonyms, very poor choice of wording on VCAA's behalf
Technically the FUNCTIONS of managers are HR, Operations, I.T shit like that but some of those functions do not apply to all organisations, however all organisations need to plan, organise, lead and control therefore it would be more appropriate to use POLC. VCAA needs to take a lot into consideration when marking
You are wrong because it is stated in the VCE Business Management study design exactly what the management functions are, not technically as it is stated precisely what these are. Straght from page 21 of the study design:
• typical management functions in large-scale organisations, including operations, finance, human
resources, marketing, and research and development;
The question was not outside the scope of the exam. I've stressed this before but it so important to use the study design for each subject when preparing notes/understanding what is required knowledge. Don't rely on your teachers to cover everything you need to know. Double check yourself to make sure you have covered off everything.
I would love to have a look at the paper to see how tough it was.
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u guys kidding me... this exam was easy as. Didn't even study, i think i will get high 40's
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Well management functions are supposedly stuff like Human Resources and Operations. The question also asked for a strategy from each of those functions so therefore it would make more sense if the answer was Human Resources and Operations because POLC does not explicitly have any "strategies" HOWEVER you could use logic and common sense to create your own strategies for each step such as planning, a strategy could be proactively planning, for leading a strategy could be using a motivational theory.
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the only thing l'm worried about is that i forgot to define that mangement function is the areas of responsibility= = shit~
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If it was worded really weirdly they'll probably accept quite a few answers.
I would like to see the question before I comment further but as the functions of management is a key knowledge point in the study design I doubt they will be accepting other answers, except for the functions (that is Operations, HR, R&D etc.) that are listed in the study design.
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I was like WTF is management functions and just left that out and wrote the 2 stratergies...got 2/4 marks for that shiity question. Then for management structure i just did geographic and matrix..probably like 3/6. The rest was pretty easy, what would 50/65 get you
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Well management functions are supposedly stuff like Human Resources and Operations. The question also asked for a strategy from each of those functions so therefore it would make more sense if the answer was Human Resources and Operations because POLC does not explicitly have any "strategies" HOWEVER you could use logic and common sense to create your own strategies for each step such as planning, a strategy could be proactively planning, for leading a strategy could be using a motivational theory.
Hmm. Does anybody remember the question exactly? From that it sounds like a lot of things will be accepted then.
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I was like WTF is management functions and just left that out and wrote the 2 stratergies...got 2/4 marks for that shiity question. Then for management structure i just did geographic and matrix..probably like 3/6. The rest was pretty easy, what would 50/65 get you
i think it would be enough for u just to discuss about geographic and matrix because the question said to discuss "2" structure only..and of course back it up with some explanation
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It was like.. Identify two management function, and for each outline a strategy.
(might be wrong)
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They wanted a strategy of each, the problem is no strategy links to the case study. The case study was shit house it was a global financial crisis and therefore a decrease in customers. What can you say? Use training as a human resource strategy because now that our employees are competent and possess the skills to perform their job more efficiently and effectively the economy will stabilise with all customers returning..? It's stupid and wrong
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They wanted a strategy of each, the problem is no strategy links to the case study. The case study was shit house it was a global financial crisis and therefore a decrease in customers. What can you say? Use training as a human resource strategy because now that our employees are competent and possess the skills to perform their job more efficiently and effectively the economy will stabilise with all customers returning..? It's stupid and wrong
From what I remember about business I would have said Planning, defined it and then discussed how a manager would use strategic or tactical planning to resolve the issue over the course of a few years. But I haven't seen the entire question/case study so that's just based on what I'm hearing. Your answer is perfectly fine. For that question you could describe a whole range of things. Ops/ HR/ and POLC all seem fine, given a good explanation.
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I said consultative and geographical :) hopefully its right!
consultative is a management style, not a structure so therefore you stuffed up this question.
You had to choose 2 out of 3 (Functional, Divisional- which includes geographic, product, process and customer) and matrix
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Yeah, autocratic due to the urgency of the matter? :S
Now I 100% agree with this. The ONLY two management styles that are acceptable are autocractic or persuasive. In urgent situations there is no time to consult as this is a time consuming process so therefore consultative, participative won't be accepted.
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I wa responded to 2 parts of someones questioning referring to the management style question and then the structure
Ie. Consultative for style
Geo for structure (one of my choices)
I was going to do autocratic
But justified consultative would be suitable cause employees will be more likely accept changes that will be made and other such crap
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If it does turn out to be POLC I'm gonna rage, especially if it's a part of the study design
In terms of the question, it was something along the lines of:
Identify 2 management functions, and apply a strategy to each in order to help overcome the problems that have occursd as a result of decreasing customers...
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If it does turn out to be POLC I'm gonna rage, especially if it's a part of the study design
In terms of the question, it was something along the lines of:
Identify 2 management functions, and apply a strategy to each in order to help overcome the problems that have occursd as a result of decreasing customers...
Nar it will be OPs/HR AND POLC. They'll accept all of them as a "strategy" fits into all of them. It would just be harder to discuss it in terms of POLC, planning would have been alright though.
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THIS IS NOT POLC
Management functions: operations, marketing, human resources, research and development, finance- AND IT IS A DOT POINT ON THE STUDY DESIGN
So just needed to choose 2 out of the 5 and explain a strategy.
I did Marketing- advertise cheaper airfares...
and then I did Operations- quality management approach of quality assurance
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okay just say you did do polc, will the performance indicators if applied correctly to the strategies you described be marked wrong?
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If it does turn out to be POLC I'm gonna rage, especially if it's a part of the study design
In terms of the question, it was something along the lines of:
Identify 2 management functions, and apply a strategy to each in order to help overcome the problems that have occursd as a result of decreasing customers...
Nar it will be OPs/HR AND POLC. They'll accept all of them as a "strategy" fits into all of them. It would just be harder to discuss it in terms of POLC, planning would have been alright though.
No... you cannot discuss anything to do with POLC. Management functions (marketing, finance, hr, operations...) will be accepted and nothing else. POLC= management roles... not management functions. And by the way look at the study design, there was a change and this year you had to SPECIFICALLY know about the management functions .
This in included in the study design: 'typical management functions in LSO's including operations, finance, human resources, marketing and research and development'
So they will not accept POLC
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If it does turn out to be POLC I'm gonna rage, especially if it's a part of the study design
In terms of the question, it was something along the lines of:
Identify 2 management functions, and apply a strategy to each in order to help overcome the problems that have occursd as a result of decreasing customers...
Nar it will be OPs/HR AND POLC. They'll accept all of them as a "strategy" fits into all of them. It would just be harder to discuss it in terms of POLC, planning would have been alright though.
No... you cannot discuss anything to do with POLC. Management functions (marketing, finance, hr, operations...) will be accepted and nothing else. POLC= management roles... not management functions. And by the way look at the study design, there was a change and this year you had to SPECIFICALLY know about the management functions .
This in included in the study design: 'typical management functions in LSO's including operations, finance, human resources, marketing and research and development'
So they will not accept POLC
Well if there was a change in SD then that's understandable. Who knows what they'll accept though. I wouldn't rule anything out just yet.
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If it does turn out to be POLC I'm gonna rage, especially if it's a part of the study design
In terms of the question, it was something along the lines of:
Identify 2 management functions, and apply a strategy to each in order to help overcome the problems that have occursd as a result of decreasing customers...
Nar it will be OPs/HR AND POLC. They'll accept all of them as a "strategy" fits into all of them. It would just be harder to discuss it in terms of POLC, planning would have been alright though.
No... you cannot discuss anything to do with POLC. Management functions (marketing, finance, hr, operations...) will be accepted and nothing else. POLC= management roles... not management functions. And by the way look at the study design, there was a change and this year you had to SPECIFICALLY know about the management functions .
This in included in the study design: 'typical management functions in LSO's including operations, finance, human resources, marketing and research and development'
So they will not accept POLC
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Thank god. Theres no way it can be POLC. Study design doesnt even suggest anything about strategies in management ROLES. Only in Functions. I was confused at first but then it came to me.
Can i still get a 49 with 63/65???huh?
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I think I completely got the structures question wrong, 2 marks off the last one because I only mentioned like 4 pressures so hopefully I can still get the A+ cutoff
poor effort VCAA
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If it does turn out to be POLC I'm gonna rage, especially if it's a part of the study design
In terms of the question, it was something along the lines of:
Identify 2 management functions, and apply a strategy to each in order to help overcome the problems that have occursd as a result of decreasing customers...
Nar it will be OPs/HR AND POLC. They'll accept all of them as a "strategy" fits into all of them. It would just be harder to discuss it in terms of POLC, planning would have been alright though.
No... you cannot discuss anything to do with POLC. Management functions (marketing, finance, hr, operations...) will be accepted and nothing else. POLC= management roles... not management functions. And by the way look at the study design, there was a change and this year you had to SPECIFICALLY know about the management functions .
This in included in the study design: 'typical management functions in LSO's including operations, finance, human resources, marketing and research and development'
So they will not accept POLC
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Thank god. Theres no way it can be POLC. Study design doesnt even suggest anything about strategies in management ROLES. Only in Functions. I was confused at first but then it came to me.
Can i still get a 49 with 63/65???huh?
Think most would've done awfully on this... management functions question if you discussed POLC you lose all marks and then last question if you focus on kotters you would've lost at least 7/8 marks... so I think 63/65 could just about be a 50.
A+ cut off will probably be 52/65 or something around there...
I think say getting 58-59/65 with a good SAC ranking would get you high 40's
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I think I completely got the structures question wrong, 2 marks off the last one because I only mentioned like 4 pressures so hopefully I can still get the A+ cutoff
poor effort VCAA
For the last question it was enough to mention 2 driving and restraining forces specific to the case study but it required a long general opening explaining (generic) driving and restraining forces and how organisations need to ensure driving forces outnumber restraining and then give generic examples of each.... then you would need to introduce the issue and provide specific forces related to the change issue ... so if you left out the generic introduction I think that would cost you 4-5 marks...
5 marks for general for forces
5 marks for relating to case study- this is what teacher told me
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I still can't believe how much they emphasised on the functions (OM and HR) and the theories.. so many questions. Basically 50% of the course was on the exam instead of 95%+
I think I completely got the structures question wrong, 2 marks off the last one because I only mentioned like 4 pressures so hopefully I can still get the A+ cutoff
poor effort VCAA
For the last question it was enough to mention 2 driving and restraining forces specific to the case study but it required a long general opening explaining (generic) driving and restraining forces and how organisations need to ensure driving forces outnumber restraining and then give generic examples of each.... then you would need to introduce the issue and provide specific forces related to the change issue ... so if you left out the generic introduction I think that would cost you 4-5 marks...
5 marks for general for forces
5 marks for relating to case study- this is what teacher told me
I wrote the intro on change management, privatisation then went on to link the issue with my example (QR national/Queensland government <- wrote most at this part) and mentioned overall 4 forces.
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and I mentioned 'motivation', 'competitiveness' and 'satisfaction' a heap of times :/
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I think I completely got the structures question wrong, 2 marks off the last one because I only mentioned like 4 pressures so hopefully I can still get the A+ cutoff
poor effort VCAA
For the last question it was enough to mention 2 driving and restraining forces specific to the case study but it required a long general opening explaining (generic) driving and restraining forces and how organisations need to ensure driving forces outnumber restraining and then give generic examples of each.... then you would need to introduce the issue and provide specific forces related to the change issue ... so if you left out the generic introduction I think that would cost you 4-5 marks...
5 marks for general for forces
5 marks for relating to case study- this is what teacher told me
This gives me confidence. Didnt mention Kotter in my exam. was worried about that. and yeah was jking about the 63/65 thing. In reality i have no idea what im going to get could be between 49/65 to 65/65. Exam was weird and i guess it depends on every other kid who does BM in the state.
On a side note, Where the hell is Burberry? Mustve destroyed the exam. :)
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what 2 structures did we all use. i used vertical specialisation and matrix structure. would that be correct?
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what 2 structures did we all use. i used vertical specialisation and matrix structure. would that be correct?
Depends how you justify it.
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it was okay the only question i'm not sure with is the management style and structure..did every1 say consultative and geographical stucture?
hmm never heard of a consultative structure before. The only ones I've ever learned are vertical, horizontal, functional, divisional/geographical and matrix structure.
consultative isn't right.. as they needed to make a fast decision.. it is an autocratic style that has centralised control, and one- way communication and decision making is alone. It is a situational approach.. as it isnt evident what style they used, but in the circumstances a quick decision needed to be made
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i said the same as you (vertical spec/bureaucratic) and horizontal(flat/mentioned matrix structure) but shiit forgot to talk about division/exports/expansion
it was okay the only question i'm not sure with is the management style and structure..did every1 say consultative and geographical stucture?
hmm never heard of a consultative structure before. The only ones I've ever learned are vertical, horizontal, functional, divisional/geographical and matrix structure.
consultative isn't right.. as they needed to make a fast decision.. it is an autocratic style that has centralised control, and one- way communication and decision making is alone. It is a situational approach.. as it isnt evident what style they used, but in the circumstances a quick decision needed to be made
What did u guys write to get the 5 marks? I had no idea so I just wrote all the characteristics, positives and negatives :/
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what 2 structures did we all use. i used vertical specialisation and matrix structure. would that be correct?
Depends how you justify it.
of course but they could have been used?
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what 2 structures did we all use. i used vertical specialisation and matrix structure. would that be correct?
Depends how you justify it.
of course but they could have been used?
Pretty much any structure could be used. I used Geographic Division one, because the q, mentioned extending operations overseas. And another one. cant remember atm lol/ :uglystupid2:
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I thought that this exam would really give me some respite from all the beatings I've endured from my other exams....turns out this was just the same
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Will you be marked down if you didnt fill all the lines?
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Will you be marked down if you didnt fill all the lines?
No lol one of the 6 mark questions had an extra 1/2 page (was the one about structures) and the other 6 mark questions had much less space
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Will you be marked down if you didnt fill all the lines?
The lines are only there as a guide if you need all of them. As long as you answer all parts of the question adequately, then you should be fine. Personally, I only used 75% of the lines for the Q where you had to talk about the elements of the operations system.
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Will you be marked down if you didnt fill all the lines?
The lines are only there as a guide if you need all of them. As long as you answer all parts of the question adequately, then you should be fine. Personally, I only used 75% of the lines for the Q where you had to talk about the elements of the operations system.
hey same here :D didn't use all the space but for some (like the ethics and change one) i had to use an extra page at the back
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Will you be marked down if you didnt fill all the lines?
No lol one of the 6 mark questions had an extra 1/2 page (was the one about structures) and the other 6 mark questions had much less space
Yeah friken Structures q was wayyyy too long. This is the one i didnt fill all the lines left like half of the half page. I had left it to do at the very end just managed to finish. probz left something out lost marks there.
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I talked about geographical and organic structures, but did anyone else use organic? will it be accepted?
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I talked about geographical and organic structures, but did anyone else use organic? will it be accepted?
I chose geog and organic too... best ones i could think of at the time
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I talked about geographical and organic structures, but did anyone else use organic? will it be accepted?
I chose geog and organic too... best ones i could think of at the time
i just though organic made sense, because you could talk about outsourcing and expanding rapidly
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I talked about geographical and organic structures, but did anyone else use organic? will it be accepted?
I chose geog and organic too... best ones i could think of at the time
i just though organic made sense, because you could talk about outsourcing and expanding rapidly
Yep, i thought it was good. Made better sense than functiona/divisional/matrix. As long as you explained them well etc. you should get full marks
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my mate did hierarchial and flatter structures instead of geographic. i think hes wrong but he argued against me quite well leading me to believe he might be right. any thoughts?
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I was tossing up between doing either those specific structures or the more general top-down / flat structure discussion so i went with the latter.. at the time it felt 'right' since there was more you could differentiate between the two
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=/ i used more specific structures.... I think if you justify it well enough, you should be right :)
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A lot of the questions just werent specific enough
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maybe.. overall bad exam is bad people could have done perfectly fine last year without learning the new study design
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A lot of the questions just werent specific enough
+1
VCAA markers are going to have a very broad range of answers.
Ahh well VCAA's fault not ours.
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what did everyone put for the two benefits from conducting Lockes theory apart from improving job satisfaction??
i had no idea i put managers could see:
training and development areas and
it would increase competitiveness between the graduates
would that be alright, do you think???
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what did everyone put for the two benefits from conducting Lockes theory apart from improving job satisfaction??
i had no idea i put managers could see:
training and development areas and
it would increase competitiveness between the graduates
would that be alright, do you think???
thats exactly what i wrote, also mentioned performance appraisal (rewarding productive staff).. and then wrote the same for the next q (reward = promotion / pay increase) LOL
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well hopefully it was right then if other people wrote the same thing
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I wrote that it might increase the overall productivity of the LSO since employees are motivated to achieve goals fundamental to the success of the LSO + it also might make them an Employer of Choice and attract new graduates.
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I said productivity as well
And like increased focus :s
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I wrote that it might increase the overall productivity of the LSO since employees are motivated to achieve goals fundamental to the success of the LSO + it also might make them an Employer of Choice and attract new graduates.
Ye I said decreased level of staff turnover which will be cost effective as there will be less costs involved with recruiting and training staff on a constant basis...
Then also said it will lead to increases in productivity... improve business competitiveness
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what did you say for reward linked to motivation??? and like a non-financial and financial reward?
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I said pay increase and promotion, very generic :P. Are these even right? didn't really revise much on em
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what did you say for reward linked to motivation??? and like a non-financial and financial reward?
For financial, I said incentives and for non-financial, free mobile phone :P
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yeah thats right. i said exactly the same thing. job promotion and increased salary. but i was bullshitting with the link between motivation and rewards.
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what did you say for reward linked to motivation??? and like a non-financial and financial reward?
For financial, I said incentives and for non-financial, free mobile phone :P
i would have thought financial are all the fringe benefits like pay/car/holiday etc and nonfinancial are intrinsic (promotion?idk, feedback and recognition)
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I said pay increase and promotion, very generic :P. Are these even right? didn't really revise much on em
I said pay rise- financial and used the example of google who recently provided a 10% pay rise to all workers... perfect timing read this in the age yesterday!!!!!!
For non-financial I just said promotion and an enhanced job title which will motivate the employee to work at high levels of productivity as he/she will feel valued and satisfied that his/her contributions are being recognised...
It was also important to mention that managers should realise that all staff are motivated by different factors so therefore should provide a range of rewards that are suitable to the needs of the individual employee. I also discussed the difference between intrinsic and extrinsic rewards...
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what did everyone put for the two benefits from conducting Lockes theory apart from improving job satisfaction??
i had no idea i put managers could see:
training and development areas and
it would increase competitiveness between the graduates
would that be alright, do you think???
I talked about increased productivity from the workers, and also because they would be more satisfied, their workplace morale over overall attitudes towards their work would contribute towards a more positive and productive corporate culture... I sorta made the second half up, but is culture actually relevant here and if what I said was justified could I have gotten full marks for that question?
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what did you say for reward linked to motivation??? and like a non-financial and financial reward?
For financial, I said incentives and for non-financial, free mobile phone :P
i would have thought financial are all the fringe benefits like pay/car/holiday etc and nonfinancial are intrinsic (promotion?idk, feedback and recognition)
Free mobile phone is a financial reward. For non financial you needed to discuss either promotion or recognition-
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what did everyone put for the two benefits from conducting Lockes theory apart from improving job satisfaction??
i had no idea i put managers could see:
training and development areas and
it would increase competitiveness between the graduates
would that be alright, do you think???
Culture sounds good... I did productivity and then decreased staff turnover... Culture also sounds good
I talked about increased productivity from the workers, and also because they would be more satisfied, their workplace morale over overall attitudes towards their work would contribute towards a more positive and productive corporate culture... I sorta made the second half up, but is culture actually relevant here and if what I said was justified could I have gotten full marks for that question?
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fucked up exam, can i ask what was the structure question worth 6 marks coz i totally mis read it?
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Yeahh i think i might of got second half of that q wrong. :( Made some crap up.... I wrote about The (I was thinking development but wrote ) growth of the graduate from achieving tougher goals. which will benefit Allens Ad Ageny in the future.. or sumthing along those lines. Any idea if this would scrape some marks?
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i used flatter and matrix becuase i couldnt think of any others, but i think the flatter part was right
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Dunno if anyone has mentioned. But case studies where very short and lacked much detail? THen again 7 q's lol.
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Does everyone agree there wasn't many opportunity's to give examples. I think after today it feel business has been a waste of two years. All that studying and then complete shit. Managed to average in the 90s all year but be luck to get 60 per cent today :( im so angry
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I wrote that it might increase the overall productivity of the LSO since employees are motivated to achieve goals fundamental to the success of the LSO + it also might make them an Employer of Choice and attract new graduates.
Wow I wrote on employer of choice as well for my first example
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For structure I wrote divisional and functional? is that right? and I justified that functional because she needs a department for manufacturing clothes i.e operations and one to advertise etc
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I have come to the conclusion that the Chief Examiner/Writer has a son or daughter.
He just couldn't be bothered writing it, so he gave it to his son/daughter and got them to write it instead.
That's how well it was written
Rather than trying to guess the A+ cutoff, how about we guess the child's age? I'll say ~10
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hahahah!
i totally agree. hardly any area for examples. well i said flatter and matrix only becuase i knew what to write for them where as functional and divisional i didnt know what to write.
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Can't be bothered reading the whole thread. My experience was 20 minutes at the end where I added kotter to my already complete q7 just In case (won't lost will I?) other I'll put my answers up Sunday or something.
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Can't be bothered reading the whole thread. My experience was 20 minutes at the end where I added kotter to my already complete q7 just In case (won't lost will I?) other I'll put my answers up Sunday or something.
Burberry!
We were wondering where you were buddy. Aced it did you?
Well to summarise the thread, everyone hated it, it wasn't specific, questions were misleading, and thats about all.
What did you write about for the Management Function Q?
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Can't be bothered reading the whole thread. My experience was 20 minutes at the end where I added kotter to my already complete q7 just In case (won't lost will I?) other I'll put my answers up Sunday or something.
To shorten the thread down for you. Pretty much everyone reckons it was a bullshit exam and lots of ppl wrote POLC for the Management Functions q.
I doubt you will lose marks as long as its at the end. If you're original stuff is worth all 10 marks, tbh i think they wont bother reading the rest. How did the rest of the almighty MHS cohort go?
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Screwed up exam, completely different from the practice one VCAA had put out.
I was shocked that there was nothing on Kotter, Management Skills and Industrial Relations.
For the management function question I wrote POLC, but apparently that's wrong now so there's 8 marks gone.
Overall very frustrated.
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For the management functions, if you did not know what they were you should of just listed 2 management stratergies to reduce customers from leaving or whatever the question asked. Thats what I did, i just listed 2 stratergies, so should be 2/4 marks for that question. Then in the next question just wrote how performence indicators could measure the implimentation of those stratergies. So instead of loosing 8 marks by not answering it you only loose 2. Brilliant scheme
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Screwed up exam, completely different from the practice one VCAA had put out.
I was shocked that there was nothing on Kotter, Management Skills and Industrial Relations.
For the management function question I wrote POLC, but apparently that's wrong now so there's 8 marks gone.
Overall very frustrated.
You won't lose all 8 marks in for doing that. The KPI's in the next part needed to relate to the strategy used. I dont think you will lose 8/8. You will still get some. The thing is, with this exam, most q's was like 4-6 marks so doing one thing wrong it would be unfair to penalise you completely.
Also on a side note, if we want to keep the debate open about the management functions question then have a look at what this website suggests. :-[ http://www.ag.ohio-state.edu/~mgtexcel/Function.html
And also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Management#Basic_functions_of_management
But on the other hand 8-), from the Study Design, which is what VCAA should follow,
On completion of this unit the student should be able to discuss and analyse the context in which
large-scale organisations operate.
To achieve this outcome the student will draw on key knowledge and key skills outlined in area of
study 1.
Key knowledge
This knowledge includes
• the context which contributes to the unique nature of large-scale organisations;
• characteristics of large-scale organisations;
• variations in types of large-scale organisations, their objectives and related business strategies;
• typical management functions in large-scale organisations, including operations, finance, human
resources, marketing, and research and development;
Source: http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/busmngmnt/futuresd/busmansd2010.pdf ~ Bottom Page 21 for quick reference.
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how can it be geographic structure when they just planned to export, not to move overseas and set-up branches? :s
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how can it be geographic structure when they just planned to export, not to move overseas and set-up branches? :s
It also said in the question that she wished to expand, so you could intrepret that as being she wanted to set up branches elsewhere as well.
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its not consultative style its autocratic!!!! its a crisis situation needs to be reacted quickly too thus = autocratic
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how can it be geographic structure when they just planned to export, not to move overseas and set-up branches? :s
Uhm think of real world examples. Versace has branches all over the world and exports goods as well.
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My teacher was so sure there would be a question on LSO's negative contributions to the economy that he went as far as saying he would buy everyone in the class a Mars Bar if there wasn't.
Well he better damn go buy 25 mars bars tonight.
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I went with functional and divisional just to be sure. :(
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its not consultative style its autocratic!!!! its a crisis situation needs to be reacted quickly too thus = autocratic
exactly what i thought.. i used persuasive tho.
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I went with functional and divisional just to be sure. :(
Theres no problem with that as long as you backed it up
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Mangement Functions = POLC or...?
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Mangement Functions = POLC or...?
A lot of people would have done that but its actually OM, HRM, finance/adminstration, ICT and marketing/sales management
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Boys, sorry I've been hitting up the Red Dead.
Ok just read through it and here are my thoughts.
Define Performance Indicator
Easy. You should have briefly said a KPI for Flyalot too just to make sure you got the mark.
Stakeholders Q
Definition of stakeholder + I did shareholders and employees.
Functions
- Op Man and HRM obviously.
KPIS
Just worked off that.
Mgmt. Style
- AUtocratic - clearly said crisis, autocratic is go to for crisis.
Structure
- Divisional V Functional, Divisional wins overall.
Charity Foundation
- Easy marks here.
Locke Qs
- Part A - easy
- Part B - bit iffy on this, but said productivity rararara.
Reward and Rec.
- Financial bonus
- Non financial company car
- key words like intrinsic extrinsic
10 marker
- whut.
- finished all the lines with restraining and resisting
- had time left so put in kotter's for safe measure too.
Basically a poorly written exam and too vague. If you want me to justify my reasoning for a question I will - I don't doubt my answers.
A+ cutoff will be 53ish? 50 with 100% SACs probs 125/130 if you're lucky.
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Also, just quietly - my challenge on the reminder thread was worth 6 marks. Suck it VCAA I saw through your plan.
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Boys, sorry I've been hitting up the Red Dead.
Ok just read through it and here are my thoughts.
Define Performance Indicator
Easy. You should have briefly said a KPI for Flyalot too just to make sure you got the mark.
Stakeholders Q
Definition of stakeholder + I did shareholders and employees.
Functions
- Op Man and HRM obviously.
KPIS
Just worked off that.
Mgmt. Style
- AUtocratic - clearly said crisis, autocratic is go to for crisis.
Structure
- Divisional V Functional, Divisional wins overall.
Charity Foundation
- Easy marks here.
Locke Qs
- Part A - easy
- Part B - bit iffy on this, but said productivity rararara.
Reward and Rec.
- Financial bonus
- Non financial company car
- key words like intrinsic extrinsic
10 marker
- whut.
- finished all the lines with restraining and resisting
- had time left so put in kotter's for safe measure too.
Basically a poorly written exam and too vague. If you want me to justify my reasoning for a question I will - I don't doubt my answers.
A+ cutoff will be 53ish? 50 with 100% SACs probs 125/130 if you're lucky.
very much agree with all these answers did the same even for 10 marker filled up all lines and then included kotter as ecxtra but for structures did vertical specialisation and divisional, vertical if shes wishes to have complete control over the expansion but divisional reccomened as that way managers can concentrate on specific areas, agree with cutoff coment to (Y)
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I did geographic and organic structures.
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IMO anything you write as long as you are specific and you justify with reason should be given marks. As i read the question it was asking for personal reccomendation
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for that crisis question, i must have skipped that word as i would have wrote auto. However, if i was able to justify my consultative response, will i be fine? After all, it is still boss-cent. despite being time consuming.
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for that crisis question, i must have skipped that word as i would have wrote auto. However, if i was able to justify my consultative response, will i be fine? After all, it is still boss-cent. despite being time consuming.
I'd say so. I think a consultative style could be quite useful if you are thinking about how to best pay back the damages caused to the new toy to the families and their children.
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this exam was so stupid i hate vcaa
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for that crisis question, i must have skipped that word as i would have wrote auto. However, if i was able to justify my consultative response, will i be fine? After all, it is still boss-cent. despite being time consuming.
not to sure about that one because i think it was asking for a contigency approach for the recall, a crisis would most likely need quick decisive action to save public image and implenment quickly, consulting would take time and give product time to do more damage, however that being said justification is a big part so i dont think its wrong just maybe not full marks. Im not a marker im just giving my opinion though so dont take my work
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For two management functions, i wrote establish a rewards system & some further training. close to the mark?
If roles were included in the question, i would have included POLC but it wasnt. really the only question, along with the next one which ties in with it; that had me absolutely stumped. :-\
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for that crisis question, i must have skipped that word as i would have wrote auto. However, if i was able to justify my consultative response, will i be fine? After all, it is still boss-cent. despite being time consuming.
I'd say so. I think a consultative style could be quite useful if you are thinking about how to best pay back the damages caused to the new toy to the families and their children.
No. Consultative is not appropriate. For emergencies and urgent scenarios you have to state that autocratic is the most appropriate. In an emergency, there is no time to consult staff as quick decisions need to be made immediately. The consultative process can be time consuming and would be ridiculous to apply to such an urgent matter.
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i used persuasive, decision making is quick and is made by an experienced manager.
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i used flatter and matrix becuase i couldnt think of any others, but i think the flatter part was right
I used functional and matrix. Provide cos and prons for each and basically said that matrix is most suitable as it is more flexible and allows for project teams which is exactly what a fashion designer company will need to brainstorm product ideas etc...
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For two management functions, i wrote establish a rewards system & some further training. close to the mark?
If roles were included in the question, i would have included POLC but it wasnt. really the only question, along with the next one which ties in with it; that had me absolutely stumped. :-\
Not even close I'm afraid
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ah well, got just about everything else i think. Max is 55/65, lowest is 45/65. Hoping to scrape in for the 50.
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For two management functions, i wrote establish a rewards system & some further training. close to the mark?
If roles were included in the question, i would have included POLC but it wasnt. really the only question, along with the next one which ties in with it; that had me absolutely stumped. :-\
Not even close I'm afraid
and The problem is... is that if you messed up the management functions and did not dicuss one of operations, hr, r+d, finance or marketing, the KPI question (the next one)... you would also lose 4 marks for...
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ah well, got just about everything else i think. Max is 55/65, lowest is 45/65. Hoping to scrape in for the 50.
wait what? a 50 after losing 10 marks? 50 cut off will be like 2 marks lost :/
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For the functions question;
I wrote the marketing function; they could design a new advertisement campaign to attract more customers.
For the finance function, I said they could allocate more funds to the marketing function to allow them to do such a campaign.
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ah well, got just about everything else i think. Max is 55/65, lowest is 45/65. Hoping to scrape in for the 50.
wait what? a 50 after losing 10 marks? 50 cut off will be like 2 marks lost :/
He means 50/65
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so would have matrix and flatter structure been ok? and then chose flatter overall.
what would 52/65 get as an actual score?
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I'm not sure you can talk about a specific structure (matrix) and compare it to a style of structure (flatter). But I could be wrong.
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For two management functions, i wrote establish a rewards system & some further training. close to the mark?
If roles were included in the question, i would have included POLC but it wasnt. really the only question, along with the next one which ties in with it; that had me absolutely stumped. :-\
Not even close I'm afraid
and The problem is... is that if you messed up the management functions and did not dicuss one of operations, hr, r+d, finance or marketing, the KPI question (the next one)... you would also lose 4 marks for...
i wrote to make a profit and to have high quality had no idea what question was asking
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I said productivity and Better Retention Levels...
How strict do you think they'll be for the Selection Process
It didn't even cross my mind the selection steps, so I put:
- Selection Criteria blah blah
- Screening blah blah
- Short List blah blah
- Interview/Testing
and the end result would be the 3 successful graduates?
It sort of sounds similar to a selection process, but it wasn't exactly set out like steps, more like a discussion haha
I doubt it'd be worth 5 marks, but hopefully it's at least 3...
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and The problem is... is that if you messed up the management functions and did not dicuss one of operations, hr, r+d, finance or marketing, the KPI question (the next one)... you would also lose 4 marks for...
I discussed a performance indicator in the second part for two bullshit strategies, that hopefully can get me 2 marks.
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I said productivity and Better Retention Levels...
How strict do you think they'll be for the Selection Process
It didn't even cross my mind the selection steps, so I put:
- Selection Criteria blah blah
- Screening blah blah
- Short List blah blah
- Interview/Testing
and the end result would be the 3 successful graduates?
It sort of sounds similar to a selection process, but it wasn't exactly set out like steps, more like a discussion haha
I doubt it'd be worth 5 marks, but hopefully it's at least 3...
If you did it in order and explained the steps well you should 3-5 marks? Only thing you couldve added was perhaps backround checks/consulting referees. I didnt number or dot point mind either.
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Yeh I forgot all about the process, so just thought up a logical approach to selection...
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I said productivity and Better Retention Levels...
How strict do you think they'll be for the Selection Process
It didn't even cross my mind the selection steps, so I put:
- Selection Criteria blah blah
- Screening blah blah
- Short List blah blah
- Interview/Testing
and the end result would be the 3 successful graduates?
It sort of sounds similar to a selection process, but it wasn't exactly set out like steps, more like a discussion haha
I doubt it'd be worth 5 marks, but hopefully it's at least 3...
I just talked about the 5 stages; shortlisting, interviewing, background checks, testing, and advising of the outcome.
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could u say improved corporate culture... ' willingness to achieve' as an indicator?
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could u say improved corporate culture... ' willingness to achieve' as an indicator?
Could have easily turned that into reduced staff turnover, its gotta be a quantitative/qualitative measure and can somehow 'be' measured
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On that note, what were some of the outputs people wrote for the charity?
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could net profit be another one? as they are all working together to reach a goal.. in turn net profit will increase ( quantitative)
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Yep profit was one that I wrote, as well as customer satisfation levels
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For the structures, I just used a Vertical specialisation structure and a horizontal specialisation structure? They are the only structures used in our textbook so I guess it had to be right.
And for the management style, I'm sure you could have used any style as long as your backed up your reasoning to why it would be useful to use that style.
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for that social responsibility question..
basically i said
Two operation management strategies were Quality and Technology
and explained both.. then said how it is not ethical for an organisation to identify a defect in the product and sell it to a customer knowing..
then i said the benefits were
it attracts employers of choice- as it allows the organisation to get the best candidates, as they would want to work for an organsisation that displays these ethical and social behaviours, and makes them feel proud.
attracts customers, as they would support that organisation over a similar organisation as they display these behaviours
indirectly leads to greater profit as it is a non for profit, but the society awarness leads to more customers+ shareholders = profit
??
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"leads to greater profit as it is a non for profit" lol how does that make sense?
Yes you are spot on though dude
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I'm pretty sure that was a different question and wasn't related to the Charity foundation.. or..?
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Yeah if i recall properly the Charity foundation question is about OM..
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And that question was Q5 and there was no example so you coulda talked about a real business if you wanted to
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With the 10 mark question I really don't get how restraining forces can "cause change"? I thought that only driving forces can "cause change".
What do you guys reckon was needed with the 10 mark question to get full marks? How many forces needed to be "analysed"?
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With the 10 mark question I really don't get how restraining forces can "cause change"? I thought that only driving forces can "cause change".
What do you guys reckon was needed with the 10 mark question to get full marks? How many forces needed to be "analysed"?
You needed to discuss both driving and restraining in general first...
Give definition of driving then provide e.g
Definition of restraining then provide e.gs
Then need to say the role of management during change is to ensure the number of driving forces outnumber the restraining forces to allow for a smooth process with minimal disruptions and obstacles...
Then you need to introduce issue...
I did acquisitions...
so defined acquisition... Then discussed Kraft's acquisition of Cadbury...
Discussed 3 driving and restraining forces...
Made a conclusion that the driving forces were able to outweigh the restraining forces..
Then said the acquisition was successful... financial stability and Kraft able to dominate market share...
The question REQUIRED general then specific.
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"leads to greater profit as it is a non for profit" lol how does that make sense?
Yes you are spot on though dude
well i meant that it indirectly leads to profit.. as customers are attracted etc.. and inturn leads to profit although it is a non for profit
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And that question was Q5 and there was no example so you coulda talked about a real business if you wanted to
ye i wasnt sure.. i spoke about the body shop.. is that fine?
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With the 10 mark question I really don't get how restraining forces can "cause change"? I thought that only driving forces can "cause change".
What do you guys reckon was needed with the 10 mark question to get full marks? How many forces needed to be "analysed"?
You needed to discuss both driving and restraining in general first...
Give definition of driving then provide e.g
Definition of restraining then provide e.gs
Then need to say the role of management during change is to ensure the number of driving forces outnumber the restraining forces to allow for a smooth process with minimal disruptions and obstacles...
Then you need to introduce issue...
I did acquisitions...
so defined acquisition... Then discussed Kraft's acquisition of Cadbury...
Discussed 3 driving and restraining forces...
Made a conclusion that the driving forces were able to outweigh the restraining forces..
Then said the acquisition was successful... financial stability and Kraft able to dominate market share...
The question REQUIRED general then specific.
I still don't see how restraining forces can cause change!! In the wording of the question I remember it said specifically "how restraining forces cause change". This stumped me and I wasted ages thinking about it... Ended up not even giving restraining forces as examples (just listed driving forces).
How many marks do you reckon are possible without any analysis of how restraining forces "cause change"??
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Boys, sorry I've been hitting up the Red Dead.
Ok just read through it and here are my thoughts.
Define Performance Indicator
Easy. You should have briefly said a KPI for Flyalot too just to make sure you got the mark.
Stakeholders Q
Definition of stakeholder + I did shareholders and employees.
Functions
- Op Man and HRM obviously.
KPIS
Just worked off that.
Mgmt. Style
- AUtocratic - clearly said crisis, autocratic is go to for crisis.
Structure
- Divisional V Functional, Divisional wins overall.
Charity Foundation
- Easy marks here.
Locke Qs
- Part A - easy
- Part B - bit iffy on this, but said productivity rararara.
Reward and Rec.
- Financial bonus
- Non financial company car
- key words like intrinsic extrinsic
10 marker
- whut.
- finished all the lines with restraining and resisting
- had time left so put in kotter's for safe measure too.
Basically a poorly written exam and too vague. If you want me to justify my reasoning for a question I will - I don't doubt my answers.
A+ cutoff will be 53ish? 50 with 100% SACs probs 125/130 if you're lucky.
with the stakeholder question, it said name stakeholders of flyalot who have been affected by the GFC not by the decrease in customers at flyalot, so was it right if I said like competitors and customers were affected by GFC?
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With the 10 mark question I really don't get how restraining forces can "cause change"? I thought that only driving forces can "cause change".
What do you guys reckon was needed with the 10 mark question to get full marks? How many forces needed to be "analysed"?
You needed to discuss both driving and restraining in general first...
Give definition of driving then provide e.g
Definition of restraining then provide e.gs
Then need to say the role of management during change is to ensure the number of driving forces outnumber the restraining forces to allow for a smooth process with minimal disruptions and obstacles...
Then you need to introduce issue...
I did acquisitions...
so defined acquisition... Then discussed Kraft's acquisition of Cadbury...
Discussed 3 driving and restraining forces...
Made a conclusion that the driving forces were able to outweigh the restraining forces..
Then said the acquisition was successful... financial stability and Kraft able to dominate market share...
The question REQUIRED general then specific.
I still don't see how restraining forces can cause change!! In the wording of the question I remember it said specifically "how restraining forces cause change". This stumped me and I wasted ages thinking about it... Ended up not even giving restraining forces as examples (just listed driving forces).
How many marks do you reckon are possible without any analysis of how restraining forces "cause change"??
I wrote about how in order to overcome restraining forces i.e organizational inertia, there must be changes made to internal structure. In my example was changes to management style from autocratic to participative. Hence proving that restraining forces can lead to change.
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with the stakeholder question, it said name stakeholders of flyalot who have been affected by the GFC not by the decrease in customers at flyalot, so was it right if I said like competitors and customers were affected by GFC?
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Employees and shareholders were the two most obvious. Employees= GFC= job losses potentially and shareholders may not receive as good returns due to the GFC... so both are adversely affected
Maybe if you justified well, you could get away with it
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the question didn't ask for how restraining forces can cause change as they can't cause change...
it asked to distinguish between driving forces which assist change and restraining forces which resist change...
you can't possibly argue that restraining forces cause change as the definition is 'aim to prevent change from occuring' so it would sound ridiculous
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you can't possibly argue that restraining forces cause change as the definition is 'aim to prevent change from occuring' so it would sound ridiculous
100% correct.
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the question didn't ask for how restraining forces can cause change as they can't cause change...
it asked to distinguish between driving forces which assist change and restraining forces which resist change...
you can't possibly argue that restraining forces cause change as the definition is 'aim to prevent change from occuring' so it would sound ridiculous
I completely agree, it is ridiculous.
However, I am pretty sure that the question was worded something like "analyse how driving and restraining forces can cause change..."!!
Can anyone remember the exact wording?? When does VCAA upload the exam?
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Maybe it should have been 'Analyse how driving forces can cause change, and how restraining forces can be overcome '
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What did you guys wrie for mangment functions and startegies for the airline case study?
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What did you write? The correct answers were HR Management, research & development, marketing, finance, etc. Had to pick two and elaborate.
For the record, I stupidly did not answer it correctly.
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you can't possibly argue that restraining forces cause change as the definition is 'aim to prevent change from occuring' so it would sound ridiculous
100% correct.
I'm glad one person agrees with me... I think I am going mad... people are trying to argue that first of all you can explain kotter's 8 step theory for a question not related to kotters and secondly... argue that restraining forces cause change... what has the world come to
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you can't possibly argue that restraining forces cause change as the definition is 'aim to prevent change from occuring' so it would sound ridiculous
100% correct.
I am not saying that restraining forces can cause change, JUST STATING THAT THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVE THE QUESTION SAID!!
Can anyone remember the exact wording?
I'm glad one person agrees with me... I think I am going mad... people are trying to argue that first of all you can explain kotter's 8 step theory for a question not related to kotters and secondly... argue that restraining forces cause change... what has the world come to
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*I am not saying that restraining forces can cause change, JUST STATING THAT THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVE THE QUESTION SAID!!
Can anyone remember the exact wording?
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Something like.
Effectively managing change is important for organisations. Discuss possible restraining and driving forces for change. Refer to either one change issue or one organisation you have studied this year.
You should have merged issue+organisation.
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vcaa should be sued for the amount of distress they cause to vce students...
make us study for the whole course and ask us questions on 10% of it HAHAHHAHHA
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Something like.
Effectively managing change is important for organisations. Discuss possible restraining and driving forces for change. Refer to either one change issue or one organisation you have studied this year.
You should have merged issue+organisation.
Clearly the question required a general introduction than to particularly discuss a case study...
The question did not ask to explain how restraining forces cause change... vcaa are pretty dumb but not that bad
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What did you write? The correct answers were HR Management, research & development, marketing, finance, etc. Had to pick two and elaborate.
For the record, I stupidly did not answer it correctly.
I wrote the marketing department, and the startegie was to make advertising campaigns through tv and radio to promote the airline more and get in more recongised in the public to attarct more customers. Also a new logo, to revamp the image of the airline.
The 2nd mangment was finance. And that was reducing the price of the tickets to appeal to customers as it saves them money and such. Offocurse i went in more detail in the answer. DO you think these startegies and functions are correct?
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Well, the way I approached it was this:
1) Defined change
2) Defined globalisation
3) Talked about how globalisation caused a need for change at Ford
4) Talked about the specific driving and restraining forces (3 each i think) in detail.
that took up the whole space. I then had 20 minutes so as a safe measure, I put down a condensed version of:
5) How Kotter's theory can be used to reduce resistance through empowerment and communication.
6) A summary.
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What did you write? The correct answers were HR Management, research & development, marketing, finance, etc. Had to pick two and elaborate.
For the record, I stupidly did not answer it correctly.
what did you write?
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also what are some startegies to act more ethical and social reponsible?
is not using child labour and ensuring product realiblitty correct?
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Product reliability, if you said through a specific quality strategy, then yes.
Child labour seems more HRM to me.
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Product reliability, if you said through a specific quality strategy, then yes.
Child labour seems more HRM to me.
are high risk practices are a form of not obliging to social responsibility?
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Pretty sure it said OM strategies that are ESRM.
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hmmmmmmm ok thanks
i think i might of stuffed that question up....... D:
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I jsut checked throug the text book
"Typical ESM issues in the process element of operations include:"
-Use of labour
- Occupational health and safety
- Disposal of waste materials
- Customer relations
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the question didn't ask for how restraining forces can cause change as they can't cause change...
it asked to distinguish between driving forces which assist change and restraining forces which resist change...
you can't possibly argue that restraining forces cause change as the definition is 'aim to prevent change from occuring' so it would sound ridiculous
The wording clearly stated that you needed to identify the ways in which driving/restraining forces created change.
And restraining forces hold back planned change in response to internal/external pressure... not all change.
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Well, the way I approached it was this:
1) Defined change
2) Defined globalisation
3) Talked about how globalisation caused a need for change at Ford
4) Talked about the specific driving and restraining forces (3 each i think) in detail.
that took up the whole space. I then had 20 minutes so as a safe measure, I put down a condensed version of:
5) How Kotter's theory can be used to reduce resistance through empowerment and communication.
6) A summary.
Think you shot yourself in the foot by discussing Kotters.
You were meant to firstly generally discuss driving and restraining forces... and THEN relate it to a particular case study...
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Doubtful. They won't mark you down for extra info, especially not when the question is as ambiguous as it was.\
And yes, I did explain the forces first.
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I did:
- Define org change
-define and explain what driving force is
-Define and explain what restraining force is
-Used Toyota's sustainable change, defined sustainability
- Identified two driving forces, specifically linked to toyota and explained how they actually are driving forces (i think thats a key aspect to aswering this question)
- Identified 2 restraining forces, linked them to toyota and explained in detail how they were restraining.
what would this get me, i ended up writing about 2 pages on this - im pretty sure you needed to mention a force field analysis for this question, which most people forgot to do
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someone mentioned earlier for the airline question that management functions they picked were stuff like hr and marketing. i thought functions were polc, i picked planning and controlling, saying they could plan a new ad campaign and introduce a new accounting monitoring system to reduce waste. am i completely off the money?
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I said consultative and geographical :) hopefully its right!
Yeah i did geographic divisional and functional
and style was consultative as they can form quality circles with their subordinates.
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My Experience with the Exam:
2 Management Functions
WTF, when has that ever happened?
Alot of people did POLC, but pretty sure they are wrong then!
Compare/Contrast 2 Management Structures?
I did Geographical and Functional, but once again, WTF
Kotter
Did you go missing or something mate?
But the 10 Marker wasn't too bad overall, it could be answered quite well
Selection Process
Once again, WTF?
I included things like Selection Criteria, Screening etc, but didn't know there were more processes?
Ummmm that's about all
WTF FML etc
Anyone care to reassess their A+ cutoff?
I reckon it'll almost be lower than last year
I'd say definately lower than last yr. For the question the required two functions, if you talked about operations management and the specific strategy such as Quality control, would that be ok?
Yeah it will be. I did TQM for operations and Training programs for Human Resources.
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That was probably the worst exam I've ever seen
For the management functions question a lot of people put POLC including myself and I personally don't see how we are wrong
The words "functions" and "roles" are synonyms, very poor choice of wording on VCAA's behalf
Technically the FUNCTIONS of managers are HR, Operations, I.T shit like that but some of those functions do not apply to all organisations, however all organisations need to plan, organise, lead and control therefore it would be more appropriate to use POLC. VCAA needs to take a lot into consideration when marking
Ok if they asked for roles = then you do Polc, if they asked for functions = you do functions. It was on the study design ( you shouldve read it properly)
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I said consultative and geographical :) hopefully its right!
Yeah i did geographic divisional and functional
and style was consultative as they can form quality circles with their subordinates.
style was autocratic, issue was urgent and an error had been made thus clear direction was needed
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That was probably the worst exam I've ever seen
For the management functions question a lot of people put POLC including myself and I personally don't see how we are wrong
The words "functions" and "roles" are synonyms, very poor choice of wording on VCAA's behalf
Technically the FUNCTIONS of managers are HR, Operations, I.T shit like that but some of those functions do not apply to all organisations, however all organisations need to plan, organise, lead and control therefore it would be more appropriate to use POLC. VCAA needs to take a lot into consideration when marking
Ok if they asked for roles = then you do Polc, if they asked for functions = you do functions. It was on the study design ( you shouldve read it properly)
i agree, im quoting straight of the text book here: " The four roles of mangment need to be clearly distingushed from managmen functions. Functions are differnt areas of repsonbility or departments. [Mangers then carry out these 4 roles in these dapratments.]"
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someone mentioned earlier for the airline question that management functions they picked were stuff like hr and marketing. i thought functions were polc, i picked planning and controlling, saying they could plan a new ad campaign and introduce a new accounting monitoring system to reduce waste. am i completely off the money?
hmmm well you might gain half marks for the startegies you stated. I did the add campaign like you however i did that under marketing, which is a function. Your definetley gonna lose marks for picking roles instead of functions, sorry :/
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I said consultative and geographical :) hopefully its right!
Yeah i did geographic divisional and functional
and style was consultative as they can form quality circles with their subordinates.
style was autocratic, issue was urgent and an error had been made thus clear direction was needed
i also picked autocratic. Did anyone answer the question by discussing the situational approach? I used the nature of the tasks, managers beliefs (acting in the best intrest of shareholders) and time cosntraints.
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what did people write by what other benifts for the org can be gained by adding locke's theory other then job satisfaction?
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I did:
- Define org change
-define and explain what driving force is
-Define and explain what restraining force is
-Used Toyota's sustainable change, defined sustainability
- Identified two driving forces, specifically linked to toyota and explained how they actually are driving forces (i think thats a key aspect to aswering this question)
- Identified 2 restraining forces, linked them to toyota and explained in detail how they were restraining.
what would this get me, i ended up writing about 2 pages on this - im pretty sure you needed to mention a force field analysis for this question, which most people forgot to do
Force field analysis is no longer on the study design and therefore does not have to be mentioned- its negligible... don't think it makes any difference if you did or didn't given that vcaa cannot expect people to mention things not on the study design
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yeah wouldn't have been necessary, but allowed. Its in the Key Concepts book as one of their first defs. in forces.
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someone mentioned earlier for the airline question that management functions they picked were stuff like hr and marketing. i thought functions were polc, i picked planning and controlling, saying they could plan a new ad campaign and introduce a new accounting monitoring system to reduce waste. am i completely off the money?
hmmm well you might gain half marks for the startegies you stated. I did the add campaign like you however i did that under marketing, which is a function. Your definetley gonna lose marks for picking roles instead of functions, sorry :/
Study design clearly states: 'management functions including marketing, finance, operations, hr and r+d'
Therefore if you discuss POLC (management ROLES) instead of functions you have misinterpreted the question and will therefore receive 0 out of 4 and most likely 0 out of 4 for kpi's question as you wouldn't have discussed an appropriate strategy... also busman there are no consequential marks like methods and further maths
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what did people write by what other benifts for the org can be gained by adding locke's theory other then job satisfaction?
- Productivity... leads to increased level of business competitiveness
-Decreased level of staff turnover- this is beneficial on a financial level as the organization will not have to invest as much in recruitment and constantly training new staff...
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what did people write by what other benifts for the org can be gained by adding locke's theory other then job satisfaction?
- Productivity... leads to increased level of business competitiveness
-Decreased level of staff turnover- this is beneficial on a financial level as the organization will not have to invest as much in recruitment and constantly training new staff...
do you think a more postive and hardworking corprate culture is one?
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someone mentioned earlier for the airline question that management functions they picked were stuff like hr and marketing. i thought functions were polc, i picked planning and controlling, saying they could plan a new ad campaign and introduce a new accounting monitoring system to reduce waste. am i completely off the money?
There were 2 aspects to the question. One mark for outlining a function and one mark for describing a stategy. If he was able to discuss a strategy well enough, then theres no reason why he can not be awarded half marks.
hmmm well you might gain half marks for the startegies you stated. I did the add campaign like you however i did that under marketing, which is a function. Your definetley gonna lose marks for picking roles instead of functions, sorry :/
Study design clearly states: 'management functions including marketing, finance, operations, hr and r+d'
Therefore if you discuss POLC (management ROLES) instead of functions you have misinterpreted the question and will therefore receive 0 out of 4 and most likely 0 out of 4 for kpi's question as you wouldn't have discussed an appropriate strategy... also busman there are no consequential marks like methods and further maths
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i did training and development and increase competitiveness between the graduates
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what did people write by what other benifts for the org can be gained by adding locke's theory other then job satisfaction?
- Productivity... leads to increased level of business competitiveness
-Decreased level of staff turnover- this is beneficial on a financial level as the organization will not have to invest as much in recruitment and constantly training new staff...
do you think a more postive and hardworking corprate culture is one?
Yes.
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what did people write by what other benifts for the org can be gained by adding locke's theory other then job satisfaction?
- Productivity... leads to increased level of business competitiveness
-Decreased level of staff turnover- this is beneficial on a financial level as the organization will not have to invest as much in recruitment and constantly training new staff...
do you think a more postive and hardworking corprate culture is one?
I did corporate culture 'willingness to achieve' what ya guys reckon
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To be honest I'm just dissapointed in VCAA that was such a useless exam,
and what was it? 5 marks on reward management? and 5 marks on selection strategies? wtf
and talk about strategies for functions...functions don't have strategies -_-
was so looking forward to breaking out the kotter and industrial relations work, shattered
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To be honest I'm just dissapointed in VCAA that was such a useless exam,
and what was it? 5 marks on reward management? and 5 marks on selection strategies? wtf
and talk about strategies for functions...functions don't have strategies -_-
was so looking forward to breaking out the kotter and industrial relations work, shattered
yer, the question went pick a mangment function and an operational strategy? what theeeeeeeee
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Umm the question about OM strategies that are ESRM did that specify a stage in the production process? or was it in general? i cant remember
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It was in general, but most OM strategies refer to changing inputs which ultimately processes the output more efficiently/better quality/less cost etc.
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would saying a strategy of not using child labour in the process stage be one?
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Umm i used the consultitive style in the styles qs ah i know that was wrong now , can any marks be awarded at all for the answer or is that 5 marks gone
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i swear
wtf did vcaa smoke
compare past 2009 exams to 2010 and you will see the huge difference
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Umm i used the consultitive style in the styles qs ah i know that was wrong now , can any marks be awarded at all for the answer or is that 5 marks gone
Since it asks for 2 characteristics, maybe you can get that mark(s) if you describe consultative characteristics as its consequential, but we won't know till results day
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Umm the question about OM strategies that are ESRM did that specify a stage in the production process? or was it in general? i cant remember
general
Discuss two out of materials management, quality management, facilities design and layout and technology...
I discussed Material management- gave the example of Cadbury and the Fairtrade initiative where they only purchase from suppliers who use sustainable production methods and do not use slave labour
then discussed quality management approach of TQM. TQM is linked to social responsibility... achieving perfection, very strong customer focus... total-defect prevention...
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I just picked two OM strategies and said how they could be used in an ethical and socially responsible way. I did a Just In Time materials management strategy, which reduces waste hence reduces the waste that has to be disposed of; I used a car oil manufacturer as an example, and my other strategy was technology (robots and CAD) which take the place of human employees, however this could be used as a strategy whilst giving the outplaced workers new tasks within the organisation to avoid making them redundant, which can be arguably unethical.
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c'mon guys we finished.... lets enjoy the rest of the time while we still have it. Let's not dwell on the past, whats done is done :smiley6600:
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HEY GUYS WAS THE MOTIVATION QUESTION ABOUT LOCKE OR MASLOW?
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Locke I think
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OMG. HOW MANY POINTS WAS IT!?
*due to stress I interchanged Locke and Maslow's names. How dumb. I freakin wrote about Maslow!!!!
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Oh That sucks :/
Maybs 4-6 marks can't quite remember
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I was almost confident in every question, but then I remember this. DUMB ME ksdfjikrnjfhierfkwerjfierjfksrfj.
I hope they give me atleast 1? :(
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It was 11 marks in total for the explanation and 2 benefits (5 + 6 marks)
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the benefit question is not affected by the motivational theory. its in the same question about the graduates but you didn't have to link it to the benefits.
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Why do you want me to suffer, luken93? :(
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Why do you want me to suffer, luken93? :(
Hahaha sorry mate, just stating the facts, although if your benefits could in any way be related to Locke, you should almost be able to get full marks...
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wow
its the first SUNDAY of having NO SCHOOL forever.. yet people are still commenting about it
fuck man, live your life, have fun, get wasted, read a book, so whatever gets you off
But stressing over something you CANNOT CHANGE is not only stupid but screws up the holidays you are meant to enjoy so much.
I know people care for their enters, sure, i do to (a hell of a lot), but whether you know what you got or dont wont change anything
have fun
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wow
its the first SUNDAY of having NO SCHOOL forever.. yet people are still commenting about it
fuck man, live your life, have fun, get wasted, read a book, so whatever gets you off
But stressing over something you CANNOT CHANGE is not only stupid but screws up the holidays you are meant to enjoy so much.
I know people care for their enters, sure, i do to (a hell of a lot), but whether you know what you got or dont wont change anything
have fun
cant agree more
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Also agree, minus the no school part, 5 days left!
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What is done, cannot be undone.
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Friend's mum is an assesor who went to conference today.
I asked about kotter on last if you had already explained the first bit (so kotter only as extra) she said not asked for, but is nice and no minus marks. and that you probably did better than you think
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Burberry I am not a troll... I have changed my mind to slightly agree with that...
If you did 10 marks worth of Driving/Restraining then you could be ok...
It's just if you did only a bit on driving and restraining and filled the space with kotters...
I have nothing against you-stop calling me a 'troll'
End of argument. We will re-visit on december 14th.
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that wasn't re: you, just a general post man.
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Friend's mum is an assesor who went to conference today.
I asked about kotter on last if you had already explained the first bit (so kotter only as extra) she said not asked for, but is nice and no minus marks. and that you probably did better than you think
whadya mean "probably did better than you think"
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Friend's mum is an assesor who went to conference today.
I asked about kotter on last if you had already explained the first bit (so kotter only as extra) she said not asked for, but is nice and no minus marks. and that you probably did better than you think
whadya mean "probably did better than you think"
Look lets clear this up. You needed to fill up the lines with Driving and restraining forces. If you did that, you will do well. If you did 1/2 forces, 1/2 kotters... you'd only get half marks. But if you did filled up the lines with Forces and then went onto back page and explained few steps of Kotters... possibly won't get penalised,
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Friend's mum is an assesor who went to conference today.
I asked about kotter on last if you had already explained the first bit (so kotter only as extra) she said not asked for, but is nice and no minus marks. and that you probably did better than you think
whadya mean "probably did better than you think"
Look lets clear this up. You needed to fill up the lines with Driving and restraining forces. If you did that, you will do well. If you did 1/2 forces, 1/2 kotters... you'd only get half marks. But if you did filled up the lines with Forces and then went onto back page and explained few steps of Kotters... possibly won't get penalised,
I understand what has happened throughout the entirety of this thread, but I thought his "better than you think" comment was relevant to something specific, I wasn't sure whether he meant they are marking it easier or he was talking personally...
If of course, that is what you are trying to explain to me?
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ye we are still at loggerheads over the 10 marker
I don't think in general they will mark the paper 'easier'. I just think the A+ cut off will be lower... I think around 51-52/65.
Therefore you can afford to drop a lot more marks than previous years. There were lots of questions e.g management functions, reward management, 10 marker that would have thrown everyone off
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ye we are still at loggerheads over the 10 marker
I don't think in general they will mark the paper 'easier'. I just think the A+ cut off will be lower... I think around 51-52/65.
Therefore you can afford to drop a lot more marks than previous years. There were lots of questions e.g management functions, reward management, 10 marker that would have thrown everyone off
ok all cleared up, we can only hope now!
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ye we are still at loggerheads over the 10 marker
I don't think in general they will mark the paper 'easier'. I just think the A+ cut off will be lower... I think around 51-52/65.
Therefore you can afford to drop a lot more marks than previous years. There were lots of questions e.g management functions, reward management, 10 marker that would have thrown everyone off
ok all cleared up, we can only hope now!
will they ever listen luken-its over we cant do anything but let vcaa do their stuff
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better than you think was because she was saying that many did bad, so I'm sure the VN group, despite feeling bad did much better than expected due to general better knowledge of the course etc.
Sorry wasn't clear with that.
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better than you think was because she was saying that many did bad, so I'm sure the VN group, despite feeling bad did much better than expected due to general better knowledge of the course etc.
Sorry wasn't clear with that.
Yeh that's what I thought you meant, hopefully it equates to a high score for all VNers
Regardless of whether you added Kotter or not :D
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Oh yeah, that statement wasn't about kotter.
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Oh yeah, that statement wasn't about kotter.
Yes I understand.
This thread is beginning to make less sense than the exam itself haha
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Yeah i blame it on me being more vague than VCAA '10
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So was the conference for the marking guide (marking criteria for all assessors?)
And all that they said is that on average students were pretty bad?
But thinking about it, those who have a decent knowledge probably wouldn't be affected too much by the weird questions as opposed to *weaker* students, hence the A+ / Top 10% of kid's marks wouldn't really have a huge range compared to that of other years?
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Yeah i blame it on me being more vague than VCAA '10
nah, this is what VCAA 2010 has done to us all!
It's made us go bonkers!
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So was the conference for the marking guide (marking criteria for all assessors?)
And all that they said is that on average students were pretty bad?
But thinking about it, those who have a decent knowledge probably wouldn't be affected too much by the weird questions as opposed to *weaker* students, hence the A+ / Top 10% of kid's marks wouldn't really have a huge range compared to that of other years?
Yeah i think that's what the conference was, but the second part was due to parent marking at the time, so it was a comment on what they'd seen so far.
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So was the conference for the marking guide (marking criteria for all assessors?)
And all that they said is that on average students were pretty bad?
But thinking about it, those who have a decent knowledge probably wouldn't be affected too much by the weird questions as opposed to *weaker* students, hence the A+ / Top 10% of kid's marks wouldn't really have a huge range compared to that of other years?
Yes if people actually studied the material and did at least 3 practice exams they would know how to go. I don't see what all the fuss is about... especially with Kotter thing... I guess people are just sooking.
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So was the conference for the marking guide (marking criteria for all assessors?)
And all that they said is that on average students were pretty bad?
But thinking about it, those who have a decent knowledge probably wouldn't be affected too much by the weird questions as opposed to *weaker* students, hence the A+ / Top 10% of kid's marks wouldn't really have a huge range compared to that of other years?
Yeah i think that's what the conference was, but the second part was due to parent marking at the time, so it was a comment on what they'd seen so far.
Aaahk, as long as mine wasn't in that pile haha
BTW, how much do they get paid to mark exams?
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You know, the 2000-2004 exams prepared me for the last question well. I hope people actually listened when I said do them. They had the same structure as exam + had 10 markers on change but not kotter.
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So was the conference for the marking guide (marking criteria for all assessors?)
And all that they said is that on average students were pretty bad?
But thinking about it, those who have a decent knowledge probably wouldn't be affected too much by the weird questions as opposed to *weaker* students, hence the A+ / Top 10% of kid's marks wouldn't really have a huge range compared to that of other years?
Yeah i think that's what the conference was, but the second part was due to parent marking at the time, so it was a comment on what they'd seen so far.
Aaahk, as long as mine wasn't in that pile haha
BTW, how much do they get paid to mark exams?
$2?
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So was the conference for the marking guide (marking criteria for all assessors?)
And all that they said is that on average students were pretty bad?
But thinking about it, those who have a decent knowledge probably wouldn't be affected too much by the weird questions as opposed to *weaker* students, hence the A+ / Top 10% of kid's marks wouldn't really have a huge range compared to that of other years?
Yes if people actually studied the material and did at least 3 practice exams they would know how to go. I don't see what all the fuss is about... especially with Kotter thing... I guess people are just sooking.
Hmmm well I did 15 practice exams (incl all VCAA), and I don't think I had seen many similar to those questions on any of them. You're definitely right about Kotter though, because basically every school prepared kids for it, the general population of BM students are/were too receptive of the change in question, and didn't adapt to the needs of the question, although the higher level students would've. That is where the line is drawn between the weaker and stronger students...
I could go on but otherwise this thread will continue around in circles haha
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So was the conference for the marking guide (marking criteria for all assessors?)
And all that they said is that on average students were pretty bad?
But thinking about it, those who have a decent knowledge probably wouldn't be affected too much by the weird questions as opposed to *weaker* students, hence the A+ / Top 10% of kid's marks wouldn't really have a huge range compared to that of other years?
Yes if people actually studied the material and did at least 3 practice exams they would know how to go. I don't see what all the fuss is about... especially with Kotter thing... I guess people are just sooking.
Hmmm well I did 15 practice exams (incl all VCAA), and I don't think I had seen many similar to those questions on any of them. You're definitely right about Kotter though, because basically every school prepared kids for it, the general population of BM students are/were too receptive of the change in question, and didn't adapt to the needs of the question, although the higher level students would've. That is where the line is drawn between the weaker and stronger students...
I could go on but otherwise this thread will continue around in circles haha
There were a few tricky one's I'll admit... when I first read management function I was like 'wtf'. But more than half the questions were about management strategies and KPI's which are a favorite of VCAA. I too remember how strongly my teacher emphasized about Kotter's theory being on this paper (as opposed to Lewin's). I'm actually happy I didn't have to rewrite all those damn steps all over again
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So was the conference for the marking guide (marking criteria for all assessors?)
And all that they said is that on average students were pretty bad?
But thinking about it, those who have a decent knowledge probably wouldn't be affected too much by the weird questions as opposed to *weaker* students, hence the A+ / Top 10% of kid's marks wouldn't really have a huge range compared to that of other years?
Yes if people actually studied the material and did at least 3 practice exams they would know how to go. I don't see what all the fuss is about... especially with Kotter thing... I guess people are just sooking.
Hmmm well I did 15 practice exams (incl all VCAA), and I don't think I had seen many similar to those questions on any of them. You're definitely right about Kotter though, because basically every school prepared kids for it, the general population of BM students are/were too receptive of the change in question, and didn't adapt to the needs of the question, although the higher level students would've. That is where the line is drawn between the weaker and stronger students...
I could go on but otherwise this thread will continue around in circles haha
There were a few tricky one's I'll admit... when I first read management function I was like 'wtf'. But more than half the questions were about management strategies and KPI's which are a favorite of VCAA. I too remember how strongly my teacher emphasized about Kotter's theory being on this paper (as opposed to Lewin's). I'm actually happy I didn't have to rewrite all those damn steps all over again
Totally agree. Only 29 days!
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I did a lot (not going to say how many :P) and can safely say, was still shocked that the questions were mostly original. However VCAA 2000-2004 had similar structure and 10 markers on change, one of which was the same topic?
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cmonnn say how many :P
I did 35 in total and yes the 2000-2004 were very helpful.
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BTW, how much do they get paid to mark exams?
Somewhere between $4.50 - 5 I'm pretty sure.
Still would love to see the paper if anyone has it. Otherwise I'll get it from school tomorrow.
Cheers, MBA.
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jezza u addict!!! i thought u didnt work for the last week
closet studier
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Hi my name's Burberry and I'm an anxious practice exammer.
Over the time from the start of the holidays to the 10th, I did 45 practice exams.
If this doesn't pay off, ffffff-
(yr 11)
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Hi my name's Burberry and I'm an anxious practice exammer.
Over the time from the start of the holidays to the 10th, I did 45 practice exams.
If this doesn't pay off, ffffff-
(yr 11)
lol and I only did two (which i was forced to do)...
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jezza u addict!!! i thought u didnt work for the last week
closet studier
KRAMERSH
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Hahaa I did 24 exams and don't give two shits about my study score for bm. However still aiming for (46+). Year 11 btw
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Confirmed with my teacher who is an assessor
Management Functions
- Anything from Ops, HRM, Marketing, Finance etc
10 Marker
- Kotter means nothing whatsoever to your answer
- 2 marks for driving restraining defs
- General statement about what they are (can have some examples)
- Relate to your chosen topic/LSO
- End result of your LSO/statement as to why change worked (minimised restraining)
= 10 marks
Selection process
As long as you had a
- Beginning (Selection Criteria/Screening)
- Middle (interview/testing)
- Ending (3 graduates that suit the needs of the LSO)
= Full marks
so if you did all of that, there's 19 marks right there, almost 30%
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Ok confirmed with my teacher who is an assessor
Functions
- Ops/HRM
10 Marker
- Kotter means nothing whatsoever to your answer
- 2 marks for driving restraining defs
- Genral statement about what they are (can have some examples)
- Relate to your chosen topic/LSO
- End result of your LSO/statement as to why change worked (minimised restraining)
= 10 marks
Selection process
As long as you had a
- Beginning (Selection Criteria/Screening)
- Middle (interview/testing)
- Ending (3 graduates that suit the needs of the LSO)
= Full marks
so if you did all of that, there's 19 marks right there, almost 30%
Yep. Great.
But for the functions question you could have discussed finance, marketing and research and development as well... given that they are on the study design (new to this year)
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Ok confirmed with my teacher who is an assessor
Functions
- Ops/HRM
10 Marker
- Kotter means nothing whatsoever to your answer
- 2 marks for driving restraining defs
- Genral statement about what they are (can have some examples)
- Relate to your chosen topic/LSO
- End result of your LSO/statement as to why change worked (minimised restraining)
= 10 marks
Selection process
As long as you had a
- Beginning (Selection Criteria/Screening)
- Middle (interview/testing)
- Ending (3 graduates that suit the needs of the LSO)
= Full marks
so if you did all of that, there's 19 marks right there, almost 30%
Yep. Great.
But for the functions question you could have discussed finance, marketing and research and development as well... given that they are on the study design (new to this year)
Yeh I forgot to ask her, although I'm not sure that if you discussed marketing for example, there are no specific strategies. That's why I just did HRM/Ops, becuase there are speicifc strategies,. although I'd say that if you talked about any of them you could make up "strategies"
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Yeah, 'cause I did marketing and finance. The rest of that stuff luken said I was spot on I think!
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Ok confirmed with my teacher who is an assessor
Functions
- Ops/HRM
10 Marker
- Kotter means nothing whatsoever to your answer
- 2 marks for driving restraining defs
- Genral statement about what they are (can have some examples)
- Relate to your chosen topic/LSO
- End result of your LSO/statement as to why change worked (minimised restraining)
= 10 marks
Selection process
As long as you had a
- Beginning (Selection Criteria/Screening)
- Middle (interview/testing)
- Ending (3 graduates that suit the needs of the LSO)
= Full marks
so if you did all of that, there's 19 marks right there, almost 30%
Yep. Great.
But for the functions question you could have discussed finance, marketing and research and development as well... given that they are on the study design (new to this year)
Yeh I forgot to ask her, although I'm not sure that if you discussed marketing for example, there are no specific strategies. That's why I just did HRM/Ops, becuase there are speicifc strategies,. although I'd say that if you talked about any of them you could make up "strategies"
Finance- cut costs for airfares
Marketing- advertise for cheaper airfares...
pretty simple
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Yeah I said for finance, reallocation of finance for the Airline to allow more money for the marketing function in particular, and for marketing, a new ad campaign with celebrities etc etc.
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Finance- cut costs for airfares
Marketing- advertise for cheaper airfares...
pretty simple
Yep exactly right, I just wanted to stick to the "official" strategies to ensure I was on the right track :)
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Finance- cut costs for airfares
Marketing- advertise for cheaper airfares...
pretty simple
Yep exactly right, I just wanted to stick to the "official" strategies to ensure I was on the right track :)
Those can lead to less profit (increase expenses, reduce revenues) which is an objective of the business so I probably wouldn't have written that
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Finance- cut costs for airfares
Marketing- advertise for cheaper airfares...
pretty simple
Yep exactly right, I just wanted to stick to the "official" strategies to ensure I was on the right track :)
Those can lead to less profit (increase expenses, reduce revenues) which is an objective of the business so I probably wouldn't have written that
To manage with the Global Financial crisis... it makes perfect sense to reduce costs of airfares so consumers are able to afford...
I personally did operations and marketing... but if you did finance it would make lots of sense...
as the question was related to MONEY... finance/marketing seem like great functions to use
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Yep my teacher went to the assessors meeting, she said that consultative was accepted if there was an explanation where management should seek feedback from employees regarding the issue of faulty goods. isnt that relieving? but anything other than auto / per / consultative will be unacceptable.
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Yep my teacher went to the assessors meeting, she said that consultative was accepted if there was an explanation where management should seek feedback from employees regarding the issue of faulty goods. isnt that relieving? but anything other than auto / per / consultative will be unacceptable.
AFAIK they always accept 3 styles as long as the student can relate them back...
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Yep my teacher went to the assessors meeting, she said that consultative was accepted if there was an explanation where management should seek feedback from employees regarding the issue of faulty goods. isnt that relieving? but anything other than auto / per / consultative will be unacceptable.
i wish they weren't so accepting, autocratic was the obvious one that everyone should have done since the issue was urgent and a mistake had already been made thus clear communication was needed to fix the problem...oh well all you people who chose consultative caught a lucky break this time
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Yes but persuasive was also appropriate, customers had to be TOLD where to bring the faulty items and WHY they were being recalled to protect their children from harm
Beg to differ?
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yea i sort of agree persuasive could be right also but i would be dissapointed to see them give full marks for consultative seeing as that was the worst option
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yea i sort of agree persuasive could be right also but i would be dissapointed to see them give full marks for consultative seeing as that was the worst option
*Worst out of the 3, there were 2 others that were unacceptable
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yea thats what i was implying thus shouldnt be full marks compared to the other 2
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http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,34031.msg355946.html#msg355946
woops!
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http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,34031.msg355946.html#msg355946
woops!
we agree again on something, i too feel consultative shouldn't be accepted
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http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,34031.msg355946.html#msg355946
woops!
we agree again on something, i too feel consultative shouldn't be accepted
not saying I agree with it either, just that it's not as though VCAA are accepting anything...
Oh well as long as our answers are right thats all that matters :)
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I don't see how consultative could be considered correct
Autocratic/persuasive go together so both are ok...
But I dont think a manager who has to make urgent changes to avoid complete catastrophe has the time to consult with the workforce...
Whatever, very interesting... if they accept consultative why wouldn't they accept participative...
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I don't see how consultative could be considered correct
Autocratic/persuasive go together so both are ok...
But I dont think a manager who has to make urgent changes to avoid complete catastrophe has the time to consult with the workforce...
Whatever, very interesting... if they accept consultative why wouldn't they accept participative...
agreed 100% vcaa should not accept consultative end of this disscussion.
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could someone help me out with this....
for the last question, i wrote:
-definition for org change
-General statement how change is affected by restraining/driving forces
- Defined driving force, and restraining forces
-Described and analysed 2 restraining and driving forces for change and restraining forces, in relation to Toyota, and mentioned its change issue of sustainability.
i wrote for this set of criteria, but i took well over 2 pages. IM concerned that others covered a lot more areas in this question and identfied more driving and restraining forcees, and wouldv'e wrote the same or less than me. I made sure to analyse specifically how the driving and restrainng forces acted as driving and restrainng forces respectfully, in relation to Toyota.
Was i wrong to go into that level of depth and possibly lose marks, or is what i did good enough to get me 10?
Cheers for any feedback
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Nah man that's pretty much what I did, I did Westpac and social responsibility though. I gave definitions for driving and restraining forces, a general comment about their impac ton an organisation, and then describes 3 driving and restraining forces for the changes at Westpac. Then I just put in a closing statement.
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Nah man that's pretty much what I did, I did Westpac and social responsibility though. I gave definitions for driving and restraining forces, a general comment about their impac ton an organisation, and then describes 3 driving and restraining forces for the changes at Westpac. Then I just put in a closing statement.
will only doing 2 for each hinder my score but...?
and i didn't put in a final statement.
My analysis of each 2 however was of considerable depth, about half a page each
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Yeah that'll be fine I would have thought. You analysed the effect of driving and restraining forces for change and used an example, that's what the question asked.
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Yeah that'll be fine I would have thought. You analysed the effect of driving and restraining forces for change and used an example, that's what the question asked.
Hopefully...YOu never know with VCAA
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Yeah it's hard to tell, given it was worth 10 marks. We'll see!
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Yeah that'll be fine I would have thought. You analysed the effect of driving and restraining forces for change and used an example, that's what the question asked.
Hopefully...YOu never know with VCAA
check my post a couple of pages ago, outlined (from an assessor) what is required for the 10 marker :)
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could someone help me out with this....
for the last question, i wrote:
-definition for org change
-General statement how change is affected by restraining/driving forces
- Defined driving force, and restraining forces
-Described and analysed 2 restraining and driving forces for change and restraining forces, in relation to Toyota, and mentioned its change issue of sustainability.
i wrote for this set of criteria, but i took well over 2 pages. IM concerned that others covered a lot more areas in this question and identfied more driving and restraining forcees, and wouldv'e wrote the same or less than me. I made sure to analyse specifically how the driving and restrainng forces acted as driving and restrainng forces respectfully, in relation to Toyota.
Was i wrong to go into that level of depth and possibly lose marks, or is what i did good enough to get me 10?
Cheers for any feedback
That would get you the 10 marks surely.
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I doubt that the number of Driving/Restraining is really going to matter, as each LSO would have a different number...
As long as you show a solid understanding of why they are forces you should be fine (hopefully)
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could someone help me out with this....
for the last question, i wrote:
-definition for org change
-General statement how change is affected by restraining/driving forces
- Defined driving force, and restraining forces
-Described and analysed 2 restraining and driving forces for change and restraining forces, in relation to Toyota, and mentioned its change issue of sustainability.
i wrote for this set of criteria, but i took well over 2 pages. IM concerned that others covered a lot more areas in this question and identfied more driving and restraining forcees, and wouldv'e wrote the same or less than me. I made sure to analyse specifically how the driving and restrainng forces acted as driving and restrainng forces respectfully, in relation to Toyota.
Was i wrong to go into that level of depth and possibly lose marks, or is what i did good enough to get me 10?
Cheers for any feedback
That would get you the 10 marks surely.
I think only 7%-ish will get full marks
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You Don't get penalised for extra, maybe for not enough detail.
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You Don't get penalised for extra, maybe for not enough detail.
Well i wrote the full length page given, but i identified the full selection process and linked some to the case study given, but i wouldn't have written more than 2 sentences about each stage, most likely one.
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Hmm. I'm not sure, it depends more on what you wrote in those two lines.
As it is, I'd forget about the exam. Monday are results so just relax.
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Hmm. I'm not sure, it depends more on what you wrote in those two lines.
As it is, I'd forget about the exam. Monday are results so just relax.
Easy for you to say, you got 50 in the bag hahaha
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Oh yeah for the selection process, you didnt need to have a beginning / middle / end process. You just needed to provide 3 or 2 ( with thorough explanation) steps FROM ANYWHERE of the selection process, to obtain full marks. Source: i peeked through a window when my teacher was marking bus man exams / and she told me today.
What has the chief assessor been drinking.. The question asks for the process so how is listing just 3 steps enough? If anything a response like that only deserves at most 3 marks out of the 5 possible. Weird :/
The question itself does not deserve to be on an exam (more of a SAC question) so I guess it was fair for them to be more lenient in marking this question.
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well plus explanation of course lol
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Oh yeah for the selection process, you didnt need to have a beginning / middle / end process. You just needed to provide 3 or 2 ( with thorough explanation) steps FROM ANYWHERE of the selection process, to obtain full marks. Source: i peeked through a window when my teacher was marking bus man exams / and she told me today.
What has the chief assessor been drinking.. The question asks for the process so how is listing just 3 steps enough? If anything a response like that only deserves at most 3 marks out of the 5 possible. Weird :/
The question itself does not deserve to be on an exam (more of a SAC question) so I guess it was fair for them to be more lenient in marking this question.
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This pretty much sums up why Biz man has been shitting me throughout the year.
Its pretty much a rote learning subject where our answers are right or wrong, but then it becomes subjective when marked, which leads to issues like this where you don't exactly know what is always required to get full marks. This area needs to be a bit more definitive.
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Oh yeah for the selection process, you didnt need to have a beginning / middle / end process. You just needed to provide 3 or 2 ( with thorough explanation) steps FROM ANYWHERE of the selection process, to obtain full marks. Source: i peeked through a window when my teacher was marking bus man exams / and she told me today.
What has the chief assessor been drinking.. The question asks for the process so how is listing just 3 steps enough? If anything a response like that only deserves at most 3 marks out of the 5 possible. Weird :/
The question itself does not deserve to be on an exam (more of a SAC question) so I guess it was fair for them to be more lenient in marking this question.
Exactly. I don't recall the question asking for any 3 of the 5 stages. It asked to 'discuss the selection process that could be used', hence I can't see how talking about 3 of the stages is answering the question; surely the process isn't complete with only 3 stages. 5 marks would also indicate discussion of all 5 stages.
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Hmm. I'm not sure, it depends more on what you wrote in those two lines.
As it is, I'd forget about the exam. Monday are results so just relax.
Easy for you to say, you got 50 in the bag hahaha
I'm putting it anywhere between 35 and 50, too difficult to tell :o
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bull mate bull . at least a 45 for you
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Oh yeah for the selection process, you didnt need to have a beginning / middle / end process. You just needed to provide 3 or 2 ( with thorough explanation) steps FROM ANYWHERE of the selection process, to obtain full marks. Source: i peeked through a window when my teacher was marking bus man exams / and she told me today.
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Oh yeah for the selection process, you didnt need to have a beginning / middle / end process. You just needed to provide 3 or 2 ( with thorough explanation) steps FROM ANYWHERE of the selection process, to obtain full marks. Source: i peeked through a window when my teacher was marking bus man exams / and she told me today.
Yessss!!!!
That was basically the only question I was really worried about
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yeah she said she signed some confidentiality agreement to not speak to students about the marking process but gave that up after she heard her teacher friends talking to their students. Thumbs up for semi- corruption......
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Amen to that, thanks for the good news (hopefully)
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I gave the whole 5 stage process but i wouldn't say i went into terrible detail. will i be penalised for that??
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bull mate bull . at least a 45 for you
At least is even an understatement...
as for the debate at hand, the reason why so few steps are needed (3) is because there are several different processes, and only a few are covered in textbooks that range from 4-9 steps. For this reason, if you have learnt the 4 step process, how can you get marked less than the 9 step process purely because it has less steps. I know that for the one I did, although it had only a few steps, it still included stages that showed a clear process from enticing applicants in, measuring their suitability, and then selecting/notifying applicants.
I think it's more of a case of how well you expand your steps and link it back to the case study...
But as Burberry said, Monday the results are out, we may as well just chilax until then and debate when we get our SoM haha
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knew it would be the exam that killed me
A, A+, B+ and got a 37.
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20 MARKS ON THEORIES/MOTIVATION/HRM??
20 MARKS ON OPERATIONS
10 ON CHANGE WTF NO KOTTER GTFO
10 ON OTHER SHIT WTF IS THIS CRAP
this did not even reflect the new study design, nothing on kotter, nothing on ER,
/rant
EDIT: now that i've calmed down it was more like
4 on stakeholders
6 on management structures
5 marks on KPI's
15-20ish for operations management (6 marks on ESM, about 10 on strategies)
5 on the selection process.. er okay?
10 on change management (still no kotter :()
15 on motivation theories/human resource management
0 on employee relations (centralised and decentralised.. wow the most unexpected thing ever)
5 on management styles
0 on POLC ..wow gtfo
yeah i agree i was stumped by the wording of the exam in some areas, like strategies was so broad.. my hand was kinda bruised after the exam. didn't reflect study design - I think they may have tried to make the exam 'easier' since its the first one after the study design change, and there were no similar 65 mark vcaa past papers to practice from.
_avO - dont worry, just get into the course you want in uni and enjoy :) high school and vce will seem as relevant as justin bieber afterwards.