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Uni Stuff => Science => Faculties => Biomedicine => Topic started by: Studyinghard on November 12, 2010, 05:47:12 pm
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I saw another thread regarding this but that was double degree. What about just Biomedicine for these two uni's. I might fall short of a 97.9 needed for UoM and might have to just stick with Monash but IF I make it, which one is better?
Also does it really matter which University? I mean at the end its the work you put it in right??
Thanks
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At UoM they're pushing integration much more than Monash, but the degrees are pretty equivalent in terms of future prospects. If you live particularly close to Clayton or Parkville, those are also concerns to consider.
Melbourne has recently done/commenced some seriously impressive renovations to facilities that you'll be able to use but I assume Monash also has high quality stuff. When choosing between Monash/UoM, there's not al lot of difference quality wise (generally)
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do you know what type of majors u want to do?
do u want to do research or is it a bridge to medicine?
in any case monash is very good for research
but yeah both are very good unis
and definitely which uni is closer to you?
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do you know what type of majors u want to do?
do u want to do research or is it a bridge to medicine?
in any case monash is very good for research
but yeah both are very good unis
and definitely which uni is closer to you?
I am completely clueless on the whole majors and side subjects etc. Is there a guide anywhere here? Like how many majors do I pick and "side subjects" and when do I drop them etc.
But I'm picking Biomed as I heard it leads into a lot of fields. Like it can take you into anything in science which is good for me because I havent decided what exact field.
I think Monash is closer.
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heres the course description
http://monash.edu/pubs/handbooks/courses/2230.html
and you can major in any of these
http://www.monash.edu/study/coursefinder/course/2230/study-area.html
although it is more restricted than science since they structure most of the course so you have a little less to worry about
well it can lead you into those major fields...but really the decision is mainly done in 3rd year
heh distance was one of the major influence to get into monash
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oh so you have to pick those certain ones and the 12 elective points are like your "fun subjects"?
And in your third area you have to specify what field you want to enter?
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you know what.... i think you don't "have to" major in anything... you can specialise if you want to...because basically the course is structured in a way to cover all broad aspects of biomedical science so you can still do honours by just completing the biomed degree, although obviously it will be helpful if u do honours (if u do do that) in the field u specialise in
i think only in science where you have to major
any confirmation of this would be good
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IRRC, you don't major in anything in biomedical science.
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ah ok yep so i got it right on the last post...lol because i was looking at it and then finally was like ohh you don't actually major...well you sorta can by doing 4 units in third year of a specific "major" but yeah haha
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doesn't Russ do biomed @ Melbourne? maybe he can talk about it a bit more
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Imo go for the convenient option, you will not find an opinion that is not biased, no one here has done biomed @ monash and biomed @ melb at the same time to be able to compare. Both can lead to research as well as pgrads so no obvious disadvantage. For me personally, i decided monash biomed over melb because 15 min travel time vs 90 min, as well as monash having double degrees.
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so what are you doing 99.95?
weren't u doing science/engineering
so now ur going to do biomed/engineering? or biomed/pharmeng?
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doesn't Russ do biomed @ Melbourne? maybe he can talk about it a bit more
Yeah, but Monash seems to be the one he's leaning towards so majors at UoM won't help so much :P
You graduate soon yeah?
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Hey Russ,
If I did do a biomed degree. And, heaven forbid, didn't get into grad med. Would I somehow be able to study engineering?
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Yeah I heard you just have to do a basic biomed degree like not specialise in anything.
I dont think travelling is THAT much of an issue. I mean travelling an extra 20 minutes to a better uni is always worth it.
but yes, looks like im leaning towards Monash. However Melb uni. is my first preference and Monash my second. In the unlikely event I sneak in for that 97.9 can I reject it and accept Monash?
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Hey Russ,
If I did do a biomed degree. And, heaven forbid, didn't get into grad med. Would I somehow be able to study engineering?
Engineering after/during Biomed is very (very) heavily slanted towards biomedical engineering. Granted that's a fascinating field, but if it's not your thing then you'd need to do graduate study. And I don't know much about graduate entry engineering.
But at UoM, with their Melbourne Model, you can do M.Eng or something similar after biomed
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so what are you doing 99.95?
weren't u doing science/engineering
so now ur going to do biomed/engineering? or biomed/pharmeng?
Biomed/eng, sci/eng if enter sux balls :P
and theres no such thing as biomed/pharmeng? that would be a triple degree if it did exist biomed/eng/pharmsci *drools*
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What can you really become after doing the bachelor of biomedicine? I read a thread here a while ago which mentioned that your career pathways are restricted when you pick Bachelor of biomedicine.
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What can you really become after doing the bachelor of biomedicine? I read a thread here a while ago which mentioned that your career pathways are restricted when you pick Bachelor of biomedicine.
Not so much restricted, but slanted?
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It's exactly the same as if you'd graduated from a BSc and majored in biochemistry/immunology/etc.
So with just your undergraduate degree, lab work or an office job requiring your skills (a scientific liaison for example).
Basically, without further study there aren't a lot of truly great jobs :P
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You graduate soon yeah?
yep hopefully if all goes well. applied for honours.
so what are you doing 99.95?
weren't u doing science/engineering
so now ur going to do biomed/engineering? or biomed/pharmeng?
Biomed/eng, sci/eng if enter sux balls :P
and theres no such thing as biomed/pharmeng? that would be a triple degree if it did exist biomed/eng/pharmsci *drools*
lol i dunno i just thought u also wanted pharmeng
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Yeah pharmsci + chemeng is prett nice, but im a lazy mfker and ceebs going to parkville
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haha lazy! yeah parkville is far...
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What are you planning to do now that you're almost graduating? Going into research? pgrad? phd?
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yeah research in Honours... u cant go straight into phd.
dont really know if i will like it but we will see...apparently its a tough year.
but anyway ill have to wait and see if i get in because marks arent going to be released until later.
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Ahh someone i know has a phd in immunology but he was unable to find a job for years... he just got one a few days ago but it's not 100% sure since the funding has to go through first otherwise there is no research
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yeah haha damn funding. thats why u try find a lab with good funding... was looking through the biomed booklet and this one guys lab had got 4 million dollars funding for a 5 year period... thats impressive.
but yeah i dunno i might go into industry later on... ill take it a year at a time
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Heh, all the best with the marks. Hope you get into whatever you choose.
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Thanks. You too, first is to get into the course u want
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Hey truelight... just a random question. i just found some phildadelphia light cream cheese in the fridge and it had chunks of mould. i scraped off all of it and put in the bin but dunno if i can still eat it. should i throw it out? or is it ok to eat
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Hey truelight... just a random question. i just found some phildadelphia light cream cheese in the fridge and it had chunks of mould. i scraped off all of it and put in the bin but dunno if i can still eat it. should i throw it out? or is it ok to eat
lmao what?
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lol ha so now im an expert in food micro...all that stuff was in second yr...
i would chuck it. there could still be some microbes in the cheese u cant see. if its expired i would chuck it too.
and besides u chucked it away so u didnt need me haha
Hey truelight... just a random question. i just found some phildadelphia light cream cheese in the fridge and it had chunks of mould. i scraped off all of it and put in the bin but dunno if i can still eat it. should i throw it out? or is it ok to eat
lmao what?
haha yeah i know eh.
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hmm i think he scraped off all the mould
i reckon he should eat it...and then you can use his body for research or something
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Uhh... shit. i just ate the whole thing. i gave some to mum as well. im worried now :(
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lol yeah... what type of toxins are present in the blood when moulded cheese is ingested heh
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Uhh... shit. i just ate the whole thing. i gave some to mum as well. im worried now :(
haha oh well just hope your immune system is up for it
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the toxins are so deadly that you're gonna diiieee
have you written your will yet?
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haha stop it
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lol yeah... what type of toxins are present in the blood when moulded cheese is ingested heh
A1B5!!
This cream cheese question was great
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Just accelerating my death. December 13 was the initial date... it's gonna be much much sooner now :(
I just wanna let you know i love you guys.
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But I'm picking Biomed as I heard it leads into a lot of fields. Like it can take you into anything in science which is good for me because I havent decided what exact field.
so you don't know what field you want to be in but do you know whether you want to get into research, or teaching, or industry, or something else?
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Hey truelight, can i ask why you're doing bsci and not bbiomed?
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probably because of the enter score
and then as i got to second year i was like na dont want to transfer because its the same thing lol
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Ahh what was the enter score needed 3 years ago? i remember 10 years ago it was 96 ish... its been going up and down a fair bit ever since
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it was 75
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For biomed i mean, not sci
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not sure exactly i think it was ~90
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i guess its more structured so you dont have to worry about choosing too many electives and prereqs etc...
and its more focussed on human bio but this becomes less of a problem in science in 2nd and 3rd yr...
in science you have much more electives to choose from...
what do you want to do with your degree? do you know what you want to do afterwards?
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can anyone tell me what the advantages are in doing biomed over science? Apparently you can structure your science degree to allow you to do anything you could do in a biomed degree anyway, it just limits you..is this true?
At UoM this isn't entirely the case, there are subjects and a major that aren't available to science students. In general, biomedicine is just a focused science degree that's streamlined around human biology rather than general "science".
Science is much broader but if you want to do something in the health sciences, there's really not much difference and biomedicine probably offers a more focused approach
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can you tell me the majors that aren't available to science students?... just curious...
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Just one, it's called Defence and Disease and it's a hybrid of pathology and immunology. I was considering it but I chose microbiology/immunology instead (and because pathology has 6 hour pracs)
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that would be similar to doing immunology and human pathology at monash science
6 hr pracs yuck...
i had 5 hr pracs for one of my immunology units... got used to it but first semester i was starving by the end of it...lol
Russ do you know what u want to do after ur degree?
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Yeah I have a 5 hour prac next semester. That's gonna be...fun.
I want to go into the MD after (or another graduate medical program).
If not, research and a PhD
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ah ok so you want to be a doctor? whats the requirement to get in to md?
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Yeah. Marks and there's a special exam for it + interview. Find out late next year :S
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70+?
seems tough. hope you get in.
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It's not a cutoff, just a ranking based on everyone else who applies. Cheers, thanks :)
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ah i see. goodluck with the exam and interview next yr. final years always the most work
lucky ive finished all my exams and had my final imm exam today!
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Jealous!
I have horrible anatomy exams this week, no fun micro/immuno to keep me content :P
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ha anatomy...ew... goodluck with that... u could always watch that crazy german guy
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ah i see. goodluck with the exam and interview next yr. final years always the most work
lucky ive finished all my exams and had my final imm exam today!
What kind of immuno projects are you interested in?
Jealous!
I have horrible anatomy exams this week, no fun micro/immuno to keep me content :P
Chris Briggs ftw ;D
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oh dear god no, that man set an exam question that was just barely covered by his lectures. :{
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Notice how he keeps commenting on Nick Riewodlt and his anterior cruciate ligament ;D
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ah i see. goodluck with the exam and interview next yr. final years always the most work
lucky ive finished all my exams and had my final imm exam today!
What kind of immuno projects are you interested in?
well when i was looking i was really undecided because there were soo many projects that looked good but the problem is actually finding a good structured project and a good supervisor
but i still havent got a dead set project yet... but the ones im looking at is a helicobacter pylori one...something about the role of nod1 in host response to h.pylori or making live attenuated vaccines for it...or i might do like a type 1 diabetes project if she still has spaces left..
there were other really good ones but i guess i left it too late because they were full early on
but yeah i dunno ill wait and see... and actually i still got to see if im getting into honours so just have to wait for the results...lol i so hope i passed everything...
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okay really random question, after reading the description for the subjects i need to ask this, does biomed involve any maths subjects? like uni maths?
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Notice how he keeps commenting on Nick Riewodlt and his anterior cruciate ligament ;D
All his exam questions just consist of using photos from General Anatomy and asking you label them. We've been guessing what photos will show up based on last year's exam + the MST lol
biomed involve any maths subjects? like uni maths?
UoM has compulsory calculus, physics and statistics ("uni" maths isn't that hard once you've learnt the foundations)
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Notice how he keeps commenting on Nick Riewodlt and his anterior cruciate ligament ;D
All his exam questions just consist of using photos from General Anatomy and asking you label them. We've been guessing what photos will show up based on last year's exam + the MST lol
biomed involve any maths subjects? like uni maths?
UoM has compulsory calculus, physics and statistics ("uni" maths isn't that hard once you've learnt the foundations)
compulsory physics! i hate physics =/
do you have any idea about monash? Is this information on the website. I've only been looking for 20 minutes roughly but havent been able to find anything much.
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yeah u have to do this physics
http://monash.edu/pubs/handbooks/units/BMS1031.html
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But I'm picking Biomed as I heard it leads into a lot of fields. Like it can take you into anything in science which is good for me because I havent decided what exact field.
so you don't know what field you want to be in but do you know whether you want to get into research, or teaching, or industry, or something else?
also u can do science which doesnt require u to do physics...
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But I'm picking Biomed as I heard it leads into a lot of fields. Like it can take you into anything in science which is good for me because I havent decided what exact field.
so you don't know what field you want to be in but do you know whether you want to get into research, or teaching, or industry, or something else?
also u can do science which doesnt require u to do physics...
um im not sure actually, forensics science has always interested me <3 but research wouldnt be that bad I suppose. Anything chemistry + biology related would be interesting. not sure really, right now I just wanna learn about like how chemistry and biology all work together :P
do you mean like bachelor of science?
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That sounds like a biochemistry major to me
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another option other than biomed
is doing BSc
and majoring in biotechnology and biochemistry
actually i think they got rid of biotechnology major from the bachelor of science and you have to do it by doing bachelor of biotechology...although they havent updated it in here http://monash.edu/pubs/2011handbooks/undergrad/2011-ug-handbook-change-register.html
these are the majors in 2011 ....mostly the same as 2010
http://www.monash.edu.au/pubs/2011handbooks/undergrad/sci-aos-clayton.html
http://www.monash.edu.au/pubs/2010handbooks/undergrad/sci-aos-clayton.html
well i guess u can do biochem and molecular bio or biochem and genetics..
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BSc was an option but i think biomed looks good right about now.
What are the hours per week of uni for biomed at Monash?
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I'm not at monash, but I checked their course overview and working from that, 1st semester is 17 hours of core subjects plus whatever your elective is (probably 3, so 20 hours).
That's a bit less than UoM biomed 1st semester but not by much
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All his exam questions just consist of using photos from General Anatomy and asking you label them. We've been guessing what photos will show up based on last year's exam + the MST lol
Also want to quote this (I had anatomy exam this afternoon) and say that Chris Briggs is a gigantic jerk for his exam questions :(
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BSc was an option but i think biomed looks good right about now.
What are the hours per week of uni for biomed at Monash?
I'm not at monash, but I checked their course overview and working from that, 1st semester is 17 hours of core subjects plus whatever your elective is (probably 3, so 20 hours).
That's a bit less than UoM biomed 1st semester but not by much
actually its 18hrs core + 6 hrs elective...
so it would be around 24 hrs per week. quite busy!
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6 hours for electives gah.
I've been spoiled by 2.5 hour breadth :P
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All his exam questions just consist of using photos from General Anatomy and asking you label them. We've been guessing what photos will show up based on last year's exam + the MST lol
Also want to quote this (I had anatomy exam this afternoon) and say that Chris Briggs is a gigantic jerk for his exam questions :(
haha wait till you have your Anatomy Flag Race exam. It gets much more annoying ;D
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Not majoring in anatomy, never have to sit another exam :D
e, is the flag race where you have to name the prosections?
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6 hours for electives gah.
I've been spoiled by 2.5 hour breadth :P
well it depends what elective u choose... could be prob between- 4-6 hrs ... most likely 6
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Not majoring in anatomy, never have to sit another exam :D
e, is the flag race where you have to name the prosections?
Yeah you get a picture and you have answer the questions. Something like your prac sheets.
It only gets really tricky when the person in front of you moves the flag :P
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Prac exams are just hard, no matter what subject. Apparently 3rd year anatomy, one of the pieces of assessment involves finding 20 things "wrong" with the cadaver (gonadal supply to kidney, no palmaris longus etc.)
Sounded awesome but...then I'd have to take 3rd year anatomy :(
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prac exams are just loong... lol
speaking of anatomy prac exams...
the imm exam...
last semester the 'prac' component was HAI assay...this semester it was ELISA...although for some reason it took me forever to actually think of what i was doing at first...lol
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Hardest part of an ELISA is not cramping your hand from washing every well half a dozen times :(
Happens to me every time, you?
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i dont have a problem with the washing... i get cramps from the freakin 96 wells trying to dilute out the serum...i so wished we had the multipipette thing like this
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I hate prac exams :( I can never get pippetting right. Like say you need to assay a protein solution for concentration and you need to make one of those standard curves. I can never make an accurate dilution. Maybe it's the pippettes fault but Ive tested them and they seem to pippett the right volume :crazy2: