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VCE Stuff => Victorian Technical Score Discussion => Topic started by: nacho on December 15, 2010, 10:42:19 pm
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BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
:2funny:
damn... :(
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Inspection of Examination script just means you get to see your exam, plus i think they show you the assessor's notes. Doing this won't let you get extra marks.
If you thought there was a serious issue with the exam, you had to contact your VCE coordinator shortly proceeding your exam to make a formal complaint. I believe it is too late to do this now, so you can't really get your result changed.
http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/publications/vceexamnav10.pdf - Look at the right side of page 9
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Inspection of Examination script just means you get to see your exam, plus i think they show you the assessor's notes. Doing this won't let you get extra marks.
If you thought there was a serious issue with the exam, you had to contact your VCE coordinator shortly proceeding your exam to make a formal complaint. I believe it is too late to do this now, so you can't really get your result changed.
http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/publications/vceexamnav10.pdf - Look at the right side of page 9
There was nothing wrong with the exam itself, I'm unhappy with one thing really:
GA 1 : Unmoderated = High B, Moderated = A
GA 2 : Unmoderated = High B, Moderated = A
GA 3 : A+
SS : 39
^ EXTREME disappointment
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I'm positive my SACs were not graded properly, so I want to get them RE-graded.
I've also been told by friends that they know people who have gotten their exam(s) re-graded, for an additional charge of $10.00
I thought the form had relevant options to do this and just wanted to know which options they were and whether my principal's signature is necessary.
Thanks
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Do you feel that you deserve a better 'unmoderated' SAC grade? The moderation is based on where you sit in your cohort and how the quartile you are in (25%, median, 75%, top mark) performed in the external assessment. Judging from your moderated grade I think this is fair
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Inspection of Examination script just means you get to see your exam, plus i think they show you the assessor's notes. Doing this won't let you get extra marks.
If you thought there was a serious issue with the exam, you had to contact your VCE coordinator shortly proceeding your exam to make a formal complaint. I believe it is too late to do this now, so you can't really get your result changed.
http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/publications/vceexamnav10.pdf - Look at the right side of page 9
There was nothing wrong with the exam itself, I'm unhappy with one thing really:
GA 1 : Unmoderated = High B, Moderated = A
GA 2 : Unmoderated = High B, Moderated = A
GA 3 : A+
SS : 39
^ EXTREME disappointment
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I'm positive my SACs were not graded properly, so I want to get them RE-graded.
I've also been told by friends that they know people who have gotten their exam(s) re-graded, for an additional charge of $10.00
I thought the form had relevant options to do this and just wanted to know which options they were and whether my principal's signature is necessary.
Thanks
And why are you so disappointed with your 39? It's only one subject in Year 11 after all.
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Do you feel that you deserve a better 'unmoderated' SAC grade? The moderation is based on where you sit in your cohort and how the quartile you are in (25%, median, 75%, top mark) performed in the external assessment. Judging from your moderated grade I think this is fair
Yes, definitely. It troubles me that:
A: My SACs were roughly 30 pages each (quality>quantity I know) in which i completed each question thoroughly and to the best of my ability.
B: There was one actual *flawed* SAC. For a unit 4 SAC, I was lucky to ask for the criteria (after receiving terrible results for unit 3 SACs, which he REFUSED to tell us, but got given in our reports) because there was a question with 4-5 parts totalling 4marks which was excluded from the question sheet. This goes to show how good the conditions were and the quality of SACs.
C: Whilst I may not deserve a rank 1, I know that I should be atleast rank 2 or 3, instead of 4 and that my grades should have been at least unmoderated A - A+'s
I had an extremely weak cohort, out of 10 students, so I'm going to assume my SACs were wrongly marked and have dragged my exam score down (which was the second highest i believe)
Thirdly, he made us submit our SACs in a hardcopy - this compromised many components of the SAC, e.g - he could not see how our formulas in excel worked, how our queries in microsoft access worked..whilst im not sure if this is normal (submitting in hard copy) it definitely shows that he was careless in marking..
:(
Anyway, avo_ do you know how i'd go about getting my exam(in the hope of an extra mark or two) and SACs (in the hope of getting it COMPLETELY regraded) inspected?
And why are you so disappointed with your 39? It's only one subject in Year 11 after all.
I understand, especially because I'm doing methods (in which i would almost certainly achieve higher than IT, unless i got a 50 in IT, which i don't think i could have even with correct SAC marks) IT will have to be in my bottom 2 by default - similar to the 3 maths things.
BUT, with that said, is it not disappointing that, after such hard work (i worked my ass off on all SACs, except the very last one in which i probably deserved the mark i got) and the exam, is it not disappointing to have a compromised score because of an incompetent teacher?
So, this is why I am disappointed! :D
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Anyway, avo_ do you know how i'd go about getting my exam(in the hope of an extra mark or two) and SACs (in the hope of getting it COMPLETELY regraded) inspected?
Sorry I wouldn't have a clue how that process works/how to apply for it
good luck though
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I say just take that 39 and deal with it. It can't be changed, so there's no point dwelling on it, just aim higher next year. 39 actually seems about right, sac grades of an A average don't really translate to 40's I believe, even with A+ exams, usually one would need all 3 A+'s for a 40. Trust me, just because you got an A+ in your exam doesn't guarantee you a 40, for all you know it could be a low A+. I was mortified after bombing my exam, but after many long days stressing over the past I realized the future is all that can be changed. Sorry but that's just how it is :( 39 is good, you're not the only one who's disappointed!
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If you make IT in your bottom 2, then the difference between a 39 and a 50 is 1 aggregate point, which is not that much
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I say just take that 39 and deal with it. It can't be changed, so there's no point dwelling on it, just aim higher next year. 39 actually seems about right, sac grades of an A average don't really translate to 40's I believe, even with A+ exams, usually one would need all 3 A+'s for a 40. Trust me, just because you got an A+ in your exam doesn't guarantee you a 40, for all you know it could be a low A+. I was mortified after bombing my exam, but after many long days stressing over the past I realized the future is all that can be changed. Sorry but that's just how it is :( 39 is good, you're not the only one who's disappointed!
Okay, that kinda sucks, HOWEVER - I was curious because my teacher at the start of the year told me that there was a way to do this, and my friends had also known people who have done it, really got my hopes up.. Also it wasn't an A average, it was a B average which was moderated to an A! :(
And (Sorry if i sound like i'm whining unnecessarily) there was this one guy who got A+ A+ A and yielded a 42.. --> really annoyed me lol!
If you make IT in your bottom 2, then the difference between a 39 and a 50 is 1 aggregate point, which is not that much
Incorrect, it's still 11, because i wont get a 50 for methods (just too unlikely, at most, a 45-48) but yea, i get you, i wouldn't get a 50 with re-adjusted SACs..
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Hey,
Firstly, don't worry to much on the 39. 39 is still an excellent score, and you have all of next year to work hard and get other good scores. It could always be your 5th/6th subject, so really it will barely make a difference. I think its best not to dwell on it, and for instance, the best IT score at my school was only 38, so 39 is not bad at all!
However, answering you're question, you can lodge a complaint about your exam. However, you will need to first "inspect" your scripts (either at the VCAA or your school), which cost $9.40 or $20, respectively. It is recommended you purchase a Statement of Marks ($8.80) prior to this. If there is believed to be an error in your exam (quite rare), a principal can make a student examination reassessment application on behalf of you. Such a form would be provided to you.
As for SAC's I have no idea, and I think its a bit late to change them, would probably be a good idea to have talked to your VCE coordinator earlier on in the year. Call her/him up now, and maybe the VCAA - they will let you know.
Not sure if this was much help. But goodluck, and if it doesn't work don't dwell on it too much :)
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I got 39 with 3 a+'s so i suggest you quit your complaining lol.
*not in IT in a different subj
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If you want your sac score change it is near impossible, but get your statement of marks and if your exam mark is 3-4 marks above A+ cutoff then even if all ur sacs were A+ you would only get a 40 or 41 which isnt much difference to a 39 since it scales down for IT.
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I recommend buying a statement of marks, seeing which questions you got incorrect and then inspecting your exam.
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I got 39 with 3 a+'s so i suggest you quit your complaining lol.
*not in IT in a different subj
Does your sub get scaled UP? Cause mine gets scaled down o.o
Anyways, I went to school today to sort this nonsense out.
My IT teacher told me, that I could get my SACs re-assessed BUT it's most likely they would be graded down or may no difference at all.
As for the exam, he told me he was pleased with my results, but dis-heartened because the worst performing student brought me and the top student down - he said i had gotten a score enough for 43+.
He also recommended i get my exam re-assessed and that if i need any support from him what so ever, i can contact him etc.
So, I'll carry out the inspection at school, i've ordered my SoM too.
Anyone know how long it takes for it to arrive?
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I got 39 with 3 a+'s so i suggest you quit your complaining lol.
*not in IT in a different subj
Does your sub get scaled UP? Cause mine gets scaled down o.o
Anyways, I went to school today to sort this nonsense out.
My IT teacher told me, that I could get my SACs re-assessed BUT it's most likely they would be graded down or may no difference at all.
As for the exam, he told me he was pleased with my results, but dis-heartened because the worst performing student brought me and the top student down - he said i had gotten a score enough for 43+.
He also recommended i get my exam re-assessed and that if i need any support from him what so ever, i can contact him etc.
So, I'll carry out the inspection at school, i've ordered my SoM too.
Anyone know how long it takes for it to arrive?
How does that work? The worst performing student shouldn't bare any disadvantage to your score
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How does that work? The worst performing student shouldn't bare any disadvantage to your score
It would only work if your teacher had that student at a higher ranking than yourself, and even then, it would make a small difference by itself. Only if your teacher screwed up his/her ranking of the cohort completely, would your score be dragged down considerably.
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How does that work? The worst performing student shouldn't bare any disadvantage to your score
That's what I thought, especially because I had a read of this page the night before:
http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/exams/statisticalmoderation/statmod.html#H2N10050
But he seemed pretty pissed off at the guy LOL
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How does that work? The worst performing student shouldn't bare any disadvantage to your score
That's what I thought, especially because I had a read of this page the night before:
http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/exams/statisticalmoderation/statmod.html#H2N10050
But he seemed pretty pissed off at the guy LOL
If you get the top sac mark, you will take your exam mark. If you get 2nd in sac marks, you get the 2nd exam mark. Thats the basics of sac moderations, but there are other factors. I still would get statement of marks and see how close ur exam mark is to the A+ cut off
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that's lataz
on a serious note, was gerges pissed or surprised that you complained?
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Nacho: How can you get your exam re-assessed? I heard its virtually impossible unless there has been a clerical error.. and eve then VCAA are pretty stingy about anything that casts any doubt on their assessment process. I guess your teacher should have told you that or is there some way of doing it??
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Nacho: How can you get your exam re-assessed? I heard its virtually impossible unless there has been a clerical error.. and eve then VCAA are pretty stingy about anything that casts any doubt on their assessment process.
Yes, I agree. I think what has already been mentioned is right - all exams are marked twice, by two different exam markers. Hence, if one marker didn't pick something up, in most likelihood, the other one would have.
If you feel you have been done harshly and can justify it, then you should appeal. Firstly get your SoM and see how you went.
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Nacho: How can you get your exam re-assessed? I heard its virtually impossible unless there has been a clerical error.. and eve then VCAA are pretty stingy about anything that casts any doubt on their assessment process. I guess your teacher should have told you that or is there some way of doing it??
What you do is, apply for an inspection (either at the VCAA or at school)
you'll then get to see your exam paper, along with how many marks you were allocated for each question.
It's recommended you sit down with a subject expert, when analyzing your paper - any mistakes you/teacher pick up and disagree with, can then be given back to the VCAA and you can demand a reassessment of the exam.
E.g: I receive 1 mark for a 6 mark question. I look at my answer, and my teacher agrees that my answer was also worth 6 marks..
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39?! macrob won't be happy with that at all.
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Nice, nothing like a bit of forum necromancy... :police:
39?! macrob won't be happy with that at all.
;D
I don't think anyone from Mac.Rob has posted in this thread yet ;D
Nacho: How can you get your exam re-assessed? I heard its virtually impossible unless there has been a clerical error.. and eve then VCAA are pretty stingy about anything that casts any doubt on their assessment process. I guess your teacher should have told you that or is there some way of doing it??
Someone from my school got English remarked last year, and got their ATAR pushed from 99.85 to 99.90, so it works.
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If you notice a ridiculous amount of half marks (where you get 1/2 on 1 mark questions) I think you are justified to submit for a re-marking.
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nice bump, thanks for bringing back the terrible memories..
I was rank 4 in a terrible cohort, (pretty sure it was the worst cohort in victoria, none of them got above a 60 ATAR)
teacher sucked so bad, he practically took a mark off every question just for fun
in fact, this is what lead to the downfall of my SS, SACs
we'd do a "practice SAC" (he actually winked like a faggot when he said they were practice sacs [yea he made them real sacs])
and he'd actually show us some of the answers on the smartboard.
EVERYONE copies the answers down while he shows us,
these are model answers,
i refine them, using textbooks and such, 30 page long SACS
fairly sure most of them collaborated, because he let us take them home..
when we hand in our SACs, he insists we print them out. The thing with IT is, the SACs are supposed to be on computer, so the teachers can see if formulas work or not, whether databases return queries etc.
Anyway, he pretty much didnt disclose the sac marks, 'because he had the right to choose to do so'
Found out I averaged 75%,
two other dropkicks managed an 80% and the rank 1, managed 85%..
sigh,
well the two dropkicks got like C's on the exam, rank 1 got a really low A+, cause his SS was only 42 (the A+ cutoff was 139/180)
and i also got an A+, with 150/180.
just to highlight to the extent of how bad that is, someone here got 140/180 and got an SS of 42.
stupid vce, stupid IT teacher, biggest moron on the planet.
last thing, he looks like the mexicans at the start of whitechicks. (and he's not from MacRob, i didnt go to MacRob in yr 11)
Im done venting for the year, until i get my atar resutls back.
:coolsmiley:
btw, just a headsup
i did get my examination checked again.
sadly it was my IT teacher who was looking over it with me..
lost pretty stupid marks, but meh, no complaints with how it was marked, i think i did fairly okay. Only 5 more marks for a 50! (see Plan-B)
tl;dr
Do good on SACs and exams. If you think your teacher is a moron, or are unsure of his/her eccentric ways, tell a co-ordinator asap, and even bring your parents in.
Know how VCE works.
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Haha sorry, dw I know the feeling. I had my Geography get crushed by my SAC marks. Cocky high ranking Melbourne High Humanities kids all flunked the exam (flunking meaning A and B+) and brought my sac marks down :(:(