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VCE Stuff => VCE English Studies => VCE Subjects + Help => VCE English & EAL => Topic started by: werdna on December 16, 2010, 12:13:24 pm
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I've got an idea for the 2011 English class.
The idea: I will be starting a year-round essay-writing initiative that will hopefully benefit all English students on AN. It will involve AN members posting up their essays and thus providing constructive criticism for each other. I will make it compulsory for members to critique at least 2/3 essays BEFORE they post their essay.
I will try and pinpoint how it will run, as succinctly as possible. I will be posting one language analysis article at the start of week one of every month, text response topics at the start of week two of every month, and context prompts at the start of week three of every month. I've thought about what we'd do about the rest of the month - and have come to the conclusion that week four of every month will involve members completing a good copy of one of their essays.
The following timetable will take effect in around June/July 2011 onwards. For the time period January to June 2011, we will start with language analyses and then phase in text responses and context pieces.
WEEK 1: Language Analysis
WEEK 2: Text Response
WEEK 3: Context
WEEK 4: Good copy of your own choice
IMPORTANT: I've also noticed that we cannot follow the timetable above just yet. We will have to wait until roughly June/July until we can follow the timetable above. So, for the time being, weeks 1-4 will consist of language analysis tasks. I will phase in text response topics and context prompts whenever members have covered these areas of study at school.
I will be providing all language analysis articles (sourced from a language analysis taskbook I recently bought, which consists of exam-type articles), context prompts and text response topics. However, I will need you to tell me which texts you are all studying.
Following on from some members' ideas about ranking the essays weekly, there will be essay markers who will make the ranking decisions and provide constructive criticism. Essay markers will be members who have completed, or are completing, VCE English to a high standard. Essay markers will be responsible for ranking the week's essays in order from 1st to 3rd as well as correcting as many essays as they can.HOWEVER, you do not have to be one of these essay markers to give advice!
As for where and when this initiative will occur, I think one thread per area of study is probably sufficient. That is, one thread for your language analyses, one for your text response essays and one for your context pieces. I also think that only 2 posts can be made to one essay, so everyone has a fair share of constructive criticism.
ATAR Notes members can sign up to be a part of this little initiative right now. Each week, I would expect all signed-up members to post their responses onto the respective threads (which I will start soon). In a way, I'll be like your online teacher ;D making sure you hand in the essays on time. I will not be looking over and correcting everyone's essays on my own though - this, I hope, will be a joint and collective effort.
*** For more information, please see the Essay Submission and Marking subforum***
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Sounds like a good idea. Any community-based English initiative would help out the users who feel stuck if they can't seem to improve their marks in English, or they don't feel comfortable handing in a lot of essays to their teachers. Do you think you can do something similar with context essays and text response essays?
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Do you think you can do something similar with context essays and text response essays?
I'll see how this language analysis initiative goes, and it should do well.. because everyone has to do it.
If it does do well, I will consider maybe allocating one context each to 4 other AN members, and we can go from there. Text responses would be a bit tricky.. but we'd need to ask the signed-up members which texts they are studying.
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That's a great idea! :)
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Sounds good, hope it works cause I will need it. :)
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It definitely wouldn't be difficult to find three other people to post prompts for the other contexts and run a similar system. Also, you could probably do this more frequently than once per fortnight. Once a week is plenty of space between writing essays. :P
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Thanks ech_93!
Just another suggestion - maybe I should post the articles every month, instead of every fortnight.. and then have everyone do a good copy analysis - so taking into account every other member's advice and constructive criticism.
So a better way of thinking about it is; spending one month on one article (and doing 1 rough copy, 1 good copy). I know this sounds like a substantial amount of time.. and whilst it only takes at the most, 1 hour and a bit to write a decent analysis.. language analysis isn't the only thing we'll be doing in year 12.
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It definitely wouldn't be difficult to find three other people to post prompts for the other contexts and run a similar system. Also, you could probably do this more frequently than once per fortnight. Once a week is plenty of space between writing essays. :P
Hmm.. I'll take that into consideration too. Look at my above post. ;)
Sounds good, hope it works cause I will need it. :)
Thanks, and good luck! ;) ;)
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GREAT
IDEA!
i dont get enough practice man xD
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;D
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I'm in :)
I'm not that great at english, so I'll need all the practice I can get... and hopefully this initiative can keep my motivation up!
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Sounds like a great idea. There'll be a few people who I'm sure will help with marking them - myself included.
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Somewhat unsure of the workload in year 12 as of yet, so I wouldn't want to make any promises just yet, but this kind of thing would be really beneficial for all users who haven't yet completed vce. I'm very interested. =)
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Really good idea, karmas for you. It's a great chance to keep up to date with LA throughout the year, so I'll definitely doing it. I think a month if anything is too long, a fortnight is good. Happy to help assess/mark as well.
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This is a very good idea :) Whenever i write a LA ill be sure to upload it, it will be good to get some feed back from others and to see how we compare. But I dont think i will be able to mark/assess them, im not that pro :P
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Omg! Perfect, this can really benefit everyone.
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i tell you wat could also be good (well for me)-
uploading like a list of 10 super hard words and their meanings every week for members to learn :)
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i tell you wat could also be good (well for me)-
uploading like a list of 10 super hard words and their meanings every week for members to learn :)
'Super hard' words aren't really that beneficial :P Just focus on good expression instead.
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Just write like Nabokov and consider your life complete
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Good idea.
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Just write like Nabokov and consider your life complete
whose that? :O
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Nabokov
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... perhaps every fortnight, we could get someone who got a very high mark in english (any 50s in the house?) to pick the three best essays (or rank them all from 1-last, but that could be a bit upseting for some members in the 'last' category) and then we could use that to form a VN language analysis leaderboard!
And the leader at the end of the year gets a free fredo frog :D
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... perhaps every fortnight, we could get someone who got a very high mark in english (any 50s in the house?) to pick the three best essays (or rank them all from 1-last, but that could be a bit upseting for some members in the 'last' category) and then we could use that to form a VN language analysis leaderboard!
And the leader at the end of the year gets a free fredo frog :D
Tha would actually be so funny and motivating at the same time. :P
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Sounds awesome! I'm in. :)
... perhaps every fortnight, we could get someone who got a very high mark in english (any 50s in the house?) to pick the three best essays (or rank them all from 1-last, but that could be a bit upseting for some members in the 'last' category) and then we could use that to form a VN language analysis leaderboard!
And the leader at the end of the year gets a free fredo frog :D
The leaderboard suggestion sounds good as well!
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Haha thanks for all the feedback guys!! ;)
I'm going to get back to you all and see how I'm going to get this thing happening.
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I want a freddo!!!! :D I doubt ill be near the top tho xD
I like what Teevo said! But maybe not super hard words, im leaning towards more sophisticated words that you could use in most essays.
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I like what Teevo said! But maybe not super hard words, im leaning towards more sophisticated words that you could use in most essays.
One of the most important things I learnt from English this year is that the examiners would prefer complex ideas over complex language any day. One of the major criterions for a VCE English essay is clarity and cohesion; simple language would do in my opinion.. BUT a few 'sophisticated' words here and there wouldn't be a problem. ;)
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With each language analysis, I (or others) could chuck in a 'word of the week (well, fortnight)' which you could potentially use for that article. Chucking one or two complex words is alright just to show off, but it's not a necessity except when aiming for like a 10/10 or so and usually ends up being detrimental since most don't know how to use them effectively.
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Im in.
Just had one of shinnys tutoring sesh's yesterday and im all pumped.
(:
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@werdna:
Definitely. If you throw in too much complex vocabulary and over-embellish your writing, it'll just create mess and confusion. The examiners will get bogged down in the words and struggle to decipher the meaning behind the mess. Sure, you can flaunt your extensive vocabulary here and there, but your first priority should be getting your message across succinctly, fluently and clearly.
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@werdna:
Definitely. If you throw in too much complex vocabulary and over-embellish your writing, it'll just create mess and confusion. The examiners will get bogged down in the words and struggle to decipher the meaning behind the mess. Sure, you can flaunt your extensive vocabulary here and there, but your first priority should be getting your message across succinctly, fluently and clearly.
See most of pooshwaltzer's posts.
Just one example:
Gospel is an attempt to preach the virtuosity of faith's domain. It is the unremittingly fundamental extension of one's trust towards some esoteric belief system; one belonging to the realms of ethereal existence. These values assert the quintessential for exercising absolution from renounced evils, the denunciation of which requires dedication, forbearance and perseverance. The youth of our society - children, juvenile youngsters, adolescents, fledgling adults exist in under the saturation of worldly exposures. These can range from the lesser misgivings to the downright Satanic. Suffice to say, an inexhaustible reserve of popular pervasive antagonistic influences include domestic violence, substance abuse, illicit conduct and other behavioural misdemeanours. And these exemplary perturbations are as yet still within civil jurisdiction. Presiding rule of law and its inability to resolve these perennial matters presents a dilemma of conscience. Being young means being vulnerable. Vulnerable to the suggestive, attractive luring of insidious sources. The Gospel is a cause which seeks to equip the uninitiated novice with sanitised values, norms and ethos. It provides them with the tools which purvey moral fortitude and ethical subsistence the necessity of which goes towards ensuring spiritual survival.
And this is his toned down vocab :buck2: It used to be even more obscure and out-of-place..
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@werdna:
Definitely. If you throw in too much complex vocabulary and over-embellish your writing, it'll just create mess and confusion. The examiners will get bogged down in the words and struggle to decipher the meaning behind the mess. Sure, you can flaunt your extensive vocabulary here and there, but your first priority should be getting your message across succinctly, fluently and clearly.
See most of pooshwaltzer's posts.
So true. :)
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See pooshwaltzer's posts.
LOL yes, I never understood anything of what he said. =\
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i'm in when do we start?
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I hate weasel words.
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I wasn't very good at English in yr 11 (only been averaging B+) but I'm up for this~ :P
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I hate weasel words.
To see ninwa take him and his weasel words apart, direct your attention here. :P
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OK guys, please see the first post. I've edited and updated it with a revised version of this initiative.
I need to know:
1. Which members would like to be a 'qualified marker' for the ranking scheme.
2. What your text response topics are.
Please post a reply below, just so the texts don't get repeated. Thanks everyone! ;)
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Sign me up please!
If there's anything I need to succeed in English next year, it's something that'll force me to write English essays and not procrastinate.
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@werdna:
Definitely. If you throw in too much complex vocabulary and over-embellish your writing, it'll just create mess and confusion. The examiners will get bogged down in the words and struggle to decipher the meaning behind the mess. Sure, you can flaunt your extensive vocabulary here and there, but your first priority should be getting your message across succinctly, fluently and clearly.
IMO, random latin terms outranks complex 'sophisticated' english words any day of the week :)
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Sign me up please!
If there's anything I need to succeed in English next year, it's something that'll force me to write English essays and not procrastinate.
Done. Which text response texts are you studying? I'm add them to the list.
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@wendra, my first text of the year is The Rugmaker of Mazar-E-Sharif and my conflict is encountering conflict.
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Year of Wonders & Imaginative Landscape
Very good initiative, me like :)
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Just one example:
Gospel is an attempt to preach the virtuosity of faith's domain. It is the unremittingly fundamental extension of one's trust towards some esoteric belief system; one belonging to the realms of ethereal existence. These values assert the quintessential for exercising absolution from renounced evils, the denunciation of which requires dedication, forbearance and perseverance. The youth of our society - children, juvenile youngsters, adolescents, fledgling adults exist in under the saturation of worldly exposures. These can range from the lesser misgivings to the downright Satanic. Suffice to say, an inexhaustible reserve of popular pervasive antagonistic influences include domestic violence, substance abuse, illicit conduct and other behavioural misdemeanours. And these exemplary perturbations are as yet still within civil jurisdiction. Presiding rule of law and its inability to resolve these perennial matters presents a dilemma of conscience. Being young means being vulnerable. Vulnerable to the suggestive, attractive luring of insidious sources. The Gospel is a cause which seeks to equip the uninitiated novice with sanitised values, norms and ethos. It provides them with the tools which purvey moral fortitude and ethical subsistence the necessity of which goes towards ensuring spiritual survival.
And this is his toned down vocab :buck2: It used to be even more obscure and out-of-place..
That was actually written in attempt to help me with my RE essay ;D
NEVERRRR AGAIN SHALL I FALL VICTIM TO THIS!
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Year of Wonders & Imaginative Landscape
Very good initiative, me like :)
Thanks luken93! ;)
I'll add it to the list. Don't worry about stating your context everybody - I'll collect prompts for all 4.
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Year of Wonders and On the Waterfront - I already PM'd you, Andrew (sorry but typing werdna just feels weird, when I know it's obviously your name backwards).
Context: Encountering Conflict -
The Crucible and Secret River
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Thanks! ;)
Are we all happy with the changes I've made? :D
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I think the first few months (until around when unit 3 finishes) should operate differently. This is because most schools go from language analysis to text response, then lastly to context. Until people do these respective sections in class, I don't think it's a good idea to start doing them yourself.
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Hey. I'm up for this I think... Defs need improvement and motivation ><
I know the first text we're studying is A christmas Carol - Charles Dickens
We're also studying Cosi & The player (movie) - I'm not quite sure what heading they fit under
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The Rugmaker of Mazar-E-Sharif isn't for text response, it's for context (Encountering Conflict).
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I think the first few months (until around when unit 3 finishes) should operate differently. This is because most schools go from language analysis to text response, then lastly to context. Until people do these respective sections in class, I don't think it's a good idea to start doing them yourself.
Yeap I mentioned this in the first post - I will phase in text response topics and context prompts once most members have covered the work in class.
Hey. I'm up for this I think... Defs need improvement and motivation ><
I know the first text we're studying is A christmas Carol - Charles Dickens
We're also studying Cosi & The player (movie) - I'm not quite sure what heading they fit under
I'll add you to the list! ;)
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Yeap I mentioned this in the first post - I will phase in text response topics and context prompts once most members have covered the work in class.
Ah sorry, didn't see that. Just saw the timetable and thought of that problem. Also, put me down as a marker. I assume I'm qualified :P
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Ah sorry, didn't see that. Just saw the timetable and thought of that problem. Also, put me down as a marker. I assume I'm qualified :P
That's alright. ;) Yeah, I was hoping you'd help mark some of the work.. thanks! :D
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funkyducky we are doing very similar texts :)
On the water front and COsi are the text responses; The crucible and The secret river are our contxt novels.
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OMG shinny's marking our essays; GG everyone here's going to get 50. :P
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Awesome, swarley!
We can have super-fun-happy-English-discussions! :D
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OMG shinny's marking our essays; GG everyone here's going to get 50. :P
EXACTLY what I was thinking. ;D ;D
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OMG shinny's marking our essays; GG everyone here's going to get 50. :P
Woahwoahwoah, I'm not doing this I'm marking EVERYONE'S essays D: Let's hope some others jump on board too. There's no way I can mark that many with my course commitments.
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I'm in.
I'm doing The Secret River by Kate Grenville and The Rugmaker of Mazar-e-Sharif by Najaf Mazari and Bob Hillman - context is Encountering Conflict. Presumably my text responses are Richard III and Years of Wonder.
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Oooh seems like quite a few people here are studying Year of Wonders, and "Encountering Conflict" appears to be the Context topic du jour.
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OMG shinny's marking our essays; GG everyone here's going to get 50. :P
WOOT HOOT
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Judging from my prep sessions, a large proportion of the state is doing Cosi as one of their texts and Encountering Conflict.
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Hey! I would like to join. :D
I'm doing the same texts/context as funkyducky.
PS. I think this is a great idea!
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I think I'm the only one here doing A Farewell to Arms and The Reluctant Fundamentalist? :O
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^ @LC: Ooooh your first post. About time LOL.
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I'm happy for marking with Lang Analysis, Richard III, and Whose Reality
My whose reality exam text was off Streetcar, but I enjoyed Enduring Love.
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I remember reading Years of Wonder in Year 8 or something. LOL. It's a good read, much better than The Secret River, which is rather boring.
I think I'm the only one here doing A Farewell to Arms and The Reluctant Fundamentalist? :O
Yes, it seems so. =p
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shinny i would just like to say again, the summary book that you hand out at your lessons are absolutely awesome!!!
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Thanks for volunteering, shinny and taiga! ;)
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Not too sure how ranking is going to work since not every marker is going to see every essay, and it's hard to compare amongst markers since we each have different standards. It's nothing serious though so we can just go by what each marker has given each piece out of 10 and just take it as it is.
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The Rugmaker of Mazar-E-Sharif isn't for text response, it's for context (Encountering Conflict).
whoops, my bad. The texts we're doing which aren't on the encountering conflict list are Maestro and On the Waterfront. So I guess these are the analysis ones.
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Oh and I do Life of Pi, before I forget...
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Not too sure how ranking is going to work since not every marker is going to see every essay, and it's hard to compare amongst markers since we each have different standards. It's nothing serious though so we can just go by what each marker has given each piece out of 10 and just take it as it is.
Yeah that should be fine.. the ranking is no biggie. The main thing is that everyone gets advice on how to improve their essay writing.
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Not too sure how ranking is going to work since not every marker is going to see every essay, and it's hard to compare amongst markers since we each have different standards. It's nothing serious though so we can just go by what each marker has given each piece out of 10 and just take it as it is.
Yeah that should be fine.. the ranking is no biggie. The main thing is that everyone gets advice on how to improve their essay writing.
Every marker nominates the best that they judged.
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Or we could just assign the members into small 'groups' and assign each 'group' to a specific marker; can rotate every week or w/e?
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Can you add mine please: Bypass and Twelve Angry Men :)
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Didn:t read through the whole thread, but I:ll sign up as a marker.
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Didn:t read through the whole thread, but I:ll sign up as a marker.
Great to hear. ;)
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Hmm... I don't want to place too much emphasis/workload on the markers..
I guess what will happen is, there will be one thread for each task (language analysis, text response, context). Members will then post their weekly essays up on the respective threads. I anticipate that 2 (and only two) posts are made in reply to each essay, just to allow fairness for everyone. Whether or not the 'qualified markers' have the time to provide a little bit of their advice in response to an essay shouldn't be left with too much emphasis though; I don't want to 'overwork' the markers.
So - anyone will be able to provide constructive criticism in response to someone else's essay. It's just that the qualified markers will be able to rank the essays from 3 to 1. It doesn't matter if you've finished English 3&4 or not.. your advice would be really helpful nonetheless. :D
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Not too sure how ranking is going to work since not every marker is going to see every essay, and it's hard to compare amongst markers since we each have different standards. It's nothing serious though so we can just go by what each marker has given each piece out of 10 and just take it as it is.
Yeah that should be fine.. the ranking is no biggie. The main thing is that everyone gets advice on how to improve their essay writing.
Every marker nominates the best that they judged.
Hmm.. I also like this idea. ;) I'll take all of this into consideration.
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I need more markers! We don't want to pressure the current markers too much! ;D
EDIT: I was just thinking, how about for every essay that is posted up.. only one marker needs to comment on it. Other forum members would be able to provide advice as well if they wanted to. Having one guaranteed reply from the markers removes a bit of the pressure and workload.
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I might help out if I have time next year. That is, if you'll want someone who got a 42 marking though :P :P haha.
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I might help out if I have time next year. That is, if you'll want someone who got a 42 marking though :P :P haha.
I got a 43 and I'm marking! Helphelp :D
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I might help out if I have time next year. That is, if you'll want someone who got a 42 marking though :P :P haha.
I got a 43 and I'm marking! Helphelp :D
hahaha yeah but you're Shinny :D You tutor english for real already!
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Thanks for volunteering shilayli06! ;) I'll add you to the list.
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This sounds like a great idea.. except I'm only in Year 11 next year! (then again, so is Teevo.. so if that's okay, then I'm down for it too?)
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Sign me up!
I doubt I'll actually get by to doing that much work in English but if I can then it'll definitely be awesome towards my ATAR!
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Sign me up!
I doubt I'll actually get by to doing that much work in English but if I can then it'll definitely be awesome towards my ATAR!
I'll definitely be chasing up everyone who has signed up by PM, if they haven't handed in/posted up their essays! ;D Hope you do well!
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Haha thanks.
My texts are already up on the list but they are:
TR: Maestro and On the Waterfront
Context: Encountering Conflict: The Crucible and The Rugmaker.....
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I think we should do the first one in the holidays.
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Hey werdna, I'd be happy to do it, though I don't think I would be a very reliable marker, I think Imaginative Landscape and Year of Wonders are under-represented in this forum so I guess I should be a marker for that reason :).
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I would love to be involved in this! Sounds like a great idea, I was considering doing this myself but was unsure where to find someone to mark it :)
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Werdna, maybe you should make explicit what role you're assigning each marker considering we do different texts.
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I think we should do the first one in the holidays.
ya me too. can the first one be language analysis? since thats sorta the same in all year levels. :)
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I'd be happy to mark but for text response but would only feel confidant marking Year of Wonders Essays as that is the only text I have studied. (Did 1984 this year)
My context was Id & Belonging
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Thanks for volunteering andy456 and iffets12345! And also to CharlieW and Aden who contacted me by PM! ;)
I will now PM all the markers so far, and ask them which text response and context essays they'd be comfortable marking. And I would presume everyone would be happy to do language analysis marking? :D
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I think we should do the first one in the holidays.
I second this motion.
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I think we should do the first one in the holidays.
I second this motion.
When do you guys want to start? As the first post outlines, it will be one essay a week. :D
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I vote end of the holidays.. when we have had a chance to get on top of other subjects ... like late january/early feb?
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Mid Jan sounds good. Get two essays done on this before school starts just so any issues can be resolved.
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2nd last week or last week of January sounds pretty good.
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i vote end of holidays too. cause ill be overseas next week for a month. :)
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I vote end of the holidays.. when we have had a chance to get on top of other subjects ... like late january/early feb?
+1
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Yeah I'm going to be away until 22nd Jan, and I'm going to assume quite a few people will be away; it's peak holiday season. Late January should suit most people.
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I vote end of the holidays.. when we have had a chance to get on top of other subjects ... like late january/early feb?
+1
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I start school in late January anyhow, so it doesn't really matter when you start doing it.
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What exactly is everyone voting for? I went through every odd thread page and still had no clue about what was going on :D
All I gathered was that people are excited shinny is marking essays
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When do you guys want to start? As the first post outlines, it will be one essay a week. :D
That.
All I gathered was that people are excited shinny is marking essays
And yes, that too. =D
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This thread should be stickied.
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EDITED: Term 1 2011 starts on around the 4th of February. I intend to post up each week's work on Monday, so the first exam-type article will be posted up on the 24TH of January 2011 - due in 1 week. Hopefully you guys can get your essays in quick, so the markers have time to get around to all essays. Then I will post another exam-type article on the 31ST of January 2011 - due in 1 week.. and we'll go from there.
For the first few months of next year, the threads will be fairly clogged because the only pieces of writing that will be posted up are language analyses.. and so the language analysis thread will be clogged I assume. So it's important you post up your essays gradually and not in one hit, just so the essay markers can give advice on everyone's essays.
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Term 1 2011 starts on around the 4th of February.
I wish. Anyone else here start on the 31st January??
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I start in March, oh, wait...
Sounds like a great initiative Andrew! I'm happy to start marking now, so post post post! But don't over-post.
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What exactly is everyone voting for? I went through every odd thread page and still had no clue about what was going on :D
All I gathered was that people are excited shinny is marking essays
Basically I will be posting up a month's worth of articles, topics and prompts at the start of every month. By the end of week one, a language analysis will be due and you will post it on the respective thread, where an essay marker will get back to you. By the end of week two, a text response will be due. And by the end of week three, a context piece will be due. Week four will require you to do a good copy of one essay.
But because we are all starting on language analysis in school first, we will focus on language analysis each week, and then phase in text response topics and context prompts to suit the timing.
We were voting on a date to start the essay-writing thingo.
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I start in March, oh, wait...
Sounds like a great initiative Andrew! I'm happy to start marking now, so post post post! But don't over-post.
Haha there are heaps of members who have signed up now, so I'm assuming there will be a huge influx of essays coming in.... ;D
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Term 1 2011 starts on around the 4th of February. I intend to post up each week's work on Sunday, so the first exam-type article will be posted up on the 30th of January 2011 - due in 1 week. Hopefully you guys can get your essays in quick, so the markers have time to get around to all essays. Then I will post another exam-type article on the 6th of February 2011 - due in 1 week.. and we'll go from there.
For the first few months of next year, the threads will be fairly clogged because the only pieces of writing that will be posted up are language analyses.. and so the language analysis thread will be clogged I assume. So it's important you post up your essays gradually and not in one hit, just so the essay markers can give advice on everyone's essays.
Perhaps, to keep things less congested, each marker should be assigned a thread of their own, and people can be divided equally amongst each thread?
I think the ranking thing I read somewhere before would be a great idea too
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My problem is that I still don't know how to write good text responses and context pieces yet... Are we able to start off with language analysis or something? :S
As for starting times I also vote end of hols because I'm going overseas for a few weeks. :)
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Perhaps, to keep things less congested, each marker should be assigned a thread of their own, and people can be divided equally amongst each thread?
I think the ranking thing I read somewhere before would be a great idea too
I considered doing that, but I don't really want to put too much pressure on the markers. They can choose which essays they wish to mark, and I hope that everyone can hand in their essays in a timely manner.. you know, waiting until a marker has provided some advice to the previous essay and THEN posting up the essay - but also keeping in mind that they need to keep within the 1 week deadline.
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My problem is that I still don't know how to write good text responses and context pieces yet... Are we able to start off with language analysis or something? :S
This is what we'll be doing - language analyses all the way, until most members are starting text response in class... by which time we'll phase text response topics in.
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I think not a thread for each markers, that's unfair for a marker if they get a heavy workload. Make it for each area of study, text response: year of wonders, COntext: identity and belonging.
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Okay that sounds great.
I also agree on not pressuring markers as they have their own commitments and they have volunteered to help us. :)
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I think not a thread for each markers, that's unfair for a marker if they get a heavy workload. Make it for each area of study, text response: year of wonders, COntext: identity and belonging.
Hmm.. this may be tedious because there'd be heapsss of threads?
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I start on the 28th of January, I think. =\
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I think not a thread for each markers, that's unfair for a marker if they get a heavy workload. Make it for each area of study, text response: year of wonders, COntext: identity and belonging.
Hmm.. this may be tedious because there'd be heapsss of threads?
I actually don't mind the one thread per marker idea. As long as you are able to distribute an equal amount of work to each marker it could work nicely. True?
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I actually don't mind the one thread per marker idea. As long as you are able to distribute an equal amount of work to each marker it could work nicely. True?
I'll have to wait for all the PMs from the markers, letting me know which text responses and contexts they can mark.. :D
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Coolies :D
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I've created a timetable for all of you, I will upload it shortly. :D
EDIT: Does anyone else have any ideas on how to sort the essays/threads/markers etc..?
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I've created a timetable for all of you, I will upload it shortly. :D
EDIT: Does anyone else have any ideas on how to sort the essays/threads/markers etc..?
Each marker is randomly assigned a certain member for a month? So like a mentor :) Then it changes each month? Just to give it a bit of variety. Then at the end of the year the top student and top marker get a prize :D hahaha.
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I've created a timetable for all of you, I will upload it shortly. :D
EDIT: Does anyone else have any ideas on how to sort the essays/threads/markers etc..?
Each marker is randomly assigned a certain member for a month? So like a mentor :) Then it changes each month? Just to give it a bit of variety. Then at the end of the year the top student and top marker get a prize :D hahaha.
This would be a really good idea - but most markers who have PMed me are only comfortable doing one or two of the texts on the list on page one...
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Group of students (say, 2 or 3 people) assigned to one marker for a month OR 1-2 weeks, so we can change 'tutors' and 'markers' so that we all get a variety of opinions? :)
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Group of students (say, 2 or 3 people) assigned to one marker for a month OR 1-2 weeks, so we can change 'tutors' and 'markers' so that we all get a variety of opinions? :)
I like this idea :D
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I've created a timetable for all of you, I will upload it shortly. :D
EDIT: Does anyone else have any ideas on how to sort the essays/threads/markers etc..?
Each marker is randomly assigned a certain member for a month? So like a mentor :) Then it changes each month? Just to give it a bit of variety. Then at the end of the year the top student and top marker get a prize :D hahaha.
This would be a really good idea - but most markers who have PMed me are only comfortable doing one or two of the texts on the list on page one...
I guess section A wouldn't really be rotated. But section B could a tiny bit. While section C could be rotated a lot. I like the idea of getting assigned someone. Makes you want to do the best for them. So like at the start of the week or whatever you write out who'll be with who. So the students know which markers to contact :) And lets say I take student X for imaginative landscape context, I'd probably get assigned student Y for analysis. So it changes up a little bit.
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Group of students (say, 2 or 3 people) assigned to one marker for a month OR 1-2 weeks, so we can change 'tutors' and 'markers' so that we all get a variety of opinions? :)
Another good idea - but the markers are only comfortable marking pieces they have studied the texts for..
What I was thinking was: one thread per area of study (language, text, context) and having members post up their essays, and ANY markers providing advice.. leaves markers with less pressure. See the first post for more info - I've updated the text/context lists with the respective markers. If none of the essay markers gets back to you, then I may PM them..
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Hmm... I think this is a question for the essay markers - what do you (the markers) think of all this? ;)
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Yeah, I reckon we should get 1 student 1 marker for 1-2 weeks, then rotate :P
IMO, the issue of different texts would not really matter; I doubt anyone has read The Reluctant Fundamentalist (one of my TR novels), and I think only a few people have read AFTA? (A Farewell To Arms), so the majority of people marking TR essays would just comment on the depth of analysis, language used, fluency, clarity etc etc etc.
Also, I guess a quick wiki search or sparknotes reference could give a brief outline of the story plot and themes/characters, so hm..
Whereas context + lang analysis would be much easier.
BTW, the context I'm doing is I+B. :)
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I'll take all of this into consideration. ;)
For the time being, here is the English essay-writing timetable I have devised.
http://www.mediafire.com/?lph461w82vwvhph
The blank spaces will be filled soon - once I know when people are starting text responses and contexts.
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Andrew, can i just say that this is probably the greatest initiative anyone on vcenotes has thought of, for english?
Seriously, great job.
(well i've only been on this site for 3/4 months, so i guess it may not be the greatest, but the greatest of my time!)
You've practically started an online tuition center for english, with correctors and week homework (a timetable which you have devised)
Not only that, but you're also doing VCE next year, which makes it even more insane.
:D Thanks
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Andrew, can i just say that this is probably the greatest initiative anyone on vcenotes has thought of, for english?
Seriously, great job.
(well i've only been on this site for 3/4 months, so i guess it may not be the greatest, but the greatest of my time!)
You've practically started an online tuition center for english, with correctors and week homework (a timetable which you have devised)
Not only that, but you're also doing VCE next year, which makes it even more insane.
:D Thanks
Thanks nacho! Does that mean you're in? ;)
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The timetable is looking great so far! :)
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The timetable is looking great so far! :)
Thanks ech_93! ;) Just a reminder to everyone to let me know which texts they are studying! I need the full list of texts by next week!
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Thanks nacho! Does that mean you're in? ;)
yep !
do we post the texts we are studying on this thread , or PM?
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Thanks nacho! Does that mean you're in? ;)
yep !
do we post the texts we are studying on this thread , or PM?
Here.
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Thanks ech_93! ;) Just a reminder to everyone to let me know which texts they are studying! I need the full list of texts by next week!
We have to read Tirra Lirra by the River and Island as well... for the context pieces.
I'm not sure if you need/want to know that as well though :/ haha
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Andrew, can you please take my name off for Year of Wonders seeing that I am not the only person familiar with it? :)
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Andrew, can you please take my name off for Year of Wonders seeing that I am not the only person familiar with it? :)
Sure. ;)
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Yeah, I reckon we should get 1 student 1 marker for 1-2 weeks, then rotate :P
IMO, the issue of different texts would not really matter; I doubt anyone has read The Reluctant Fundamentalist (one of my TR novels), and I think only a few people have read AFTA? (A Farewell To Arms), so the majority of people marking TR essays would just comment on the depth of analysis, language used, fluency, clarity etc etc etc.
Also, I guess a quick wiki search or sparknotes reference could give a brief outline of the story plot and themes/characters, so hm..
Whereas context + lang analysis would be much easier.
BTW, the context I'm doing is I+B. :)
Agreed. I don't think anyone would have done Bypass :P
Also, I had a look at the timetable and I think starting text responses and context July is a bit late. Even if we haven't completely finished learning TR and context, we all know from unit 1/2 and earlier how to write them, and the earlier we start practising the better.
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Also, I had a look at the timetable and I think starting text responses and context July is a bit late. Even if we haven't completely finished learning TR and context, we all know from unit 1/2 and earlier how to write them, and the earlier we start practising the better.
Yeap I'm aware of this - text responses and context pieces are going to be done in April/May/June as well - I'm just waiting until next year to finalise which weeks/dates etc... because I want to have one of these months dedicated to text response, and another full month dedicated to context.
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Also, I had a look at the timetable and I think starting text responses and context July is a bit late. Even if we haven't completely finished learning TR and context, we all know from unit 1/2 and earlier how to write them, and the earlier we start practising the better.
Yeap I'm aware of this - text responses and context pieces are going to be done in April/May/June as well - I'm just waiting until next year to finalise which weeks/dates etc... because I want to have one of these months dedicated to text response, and another full month dedicated to context.
Okay. Full month is a good idea :D
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Just wondering, why is Rohitpi, a year 11, a marker?
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Just wondering, why is Rohitpi, a year 11, a marker?
A couple of year 11 students are marking - myself, Burberry and Rohitpi.
;)
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Just wondering, why is Rohitpi, a year 11, a marker?
A couple of year 11 students are marking - myself, Burberry and Rohitpi.
;)
Ah okay.. it's just that the majority of year 11's (you're an exception, obviously :P) have not done 3/4 English; some of the advice/comments they provide, instead of being helpful, may cause the exact opposite?
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Just wondering, why is Rohitpi, a year 11, a marker?
A couple of year 11 students are marking - myself, Burberry and Rohitpi.
;)
Ah okay.. it's just that the majority of year 11's (you're an exception, obviously :P) have not done 3/4 English; some of the advice/comments they provide, instead of being helpful, may cause the exact opposite?
Hmm.. good point. I'll see. ;) And thanks! Haha ;D
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Just wondering, why is Rohitpi, a year 11, a marker?
A couple of year 11 students are marking - myself, Burberry and Rohitpi.
;)
Ah okay.. it's just that the majority of year 11's (you're an exception, obviously :P) have not done 3/4 English; some of the advice/comments they provide, instead of being helpful, may cause the exact opposite?
Hmm.. good point. I'll see. ;) And thanks! Haha ;D
Just worried, haha :P
No probs, genius idea by the way! :)
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So how should I organise the essays/markers/threads? This is doing my head in...... ;D ;D
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hey I can do year of Wonders!
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hey I can do year of Wonders!
Yay :) You got 50 as well, me like for the coming year
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Ask enwiabe if you can make a sub-forum within English & ESL perhaps. This will inevitably get quite spammy so I think it's for the greater good.
As for the markers, I think it might be a problem. As AN gets larger and larger, we're going to inevitably get many more members wanting to join this group next year. However, the number of markers is not going to increase. I'm prepared to mark a few essays a month, but I assume eventually the number of 'qualified' markers is not going to be enough. My solution is that I think at some stage, you guys will need to be able to mark your own essays. This is a skill that you will develop yourself because the best way to learn English is to mark it yourself. The only reason why I am now able to mark essays is because I marked my own; it's not like I went to essay marking school or something. So I propose that eventually, especially for text response, you guys will need to mark each other's essays. This works out well since most of the qualified markers haven't done the texts you guys have done. This way, you guys can also read each other's essays and learn from them. It's a process of mutual benefit really. Context and LA will probably keep the qualified markers busy enough as is, then yeh, perhaps leave text response to be marked by one another? Perhaps the qualified markers can just briefly skim over them and ensure the expression and structure is fine, but I think the bulk of the work will rely on you guys marking each other's ideas and such.
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Ask enwiabe if you can make a sub-forum within English & ESL perhaps. This will inevitably get quite spammy so I think it's for the greater good.
As for the markers, I think it might be a problem. As AN gets larger and larger, we're going to inevitably get many more members wanting to join this group next year. However, the number of markers is not going to increase. I'm prepared to mark a few essays a month, but I assume eventually the number of 'qualified' markers is not going to be enough. My solution is that I think at some stage, you guys will need to be able to mark your own essays. This is a skill that you will develop yourself because the best way to learn English is to mark it yourself. The only reason why I am now able to mark essays is because I marked my own; it's not like I went to essay marking school or something. So I propose that eventually, especially for text response, you guys will need to mark each other's essays. This works out well since most of the qualified markers haven't done the texts you guys have done. This way, you guys can also read each other's essays and learn from them. It's a process of mutual benefit really. Context and LA will probably keep the qualified markers busy enough as is, then yeh, perhaps leave text response to be marked by one another? Perhaps the qualified markers can just briefly skim over them and ensure the expression and structure is fine, but I think the bulk of the work will rely on you guys marking each other's ideas and such.
Ahh shinny you LEGEND. This is exactly what I wanted!
The last thing I want to do is pressurise the markers. It says it in my first post - you don't have to be a 'qualified marker' to provide advice..
I've already PMed ninwa about creating a subforum today, and I'm just waiting for her to get back to me. :D
So for the better good of both markers and members, there will be 3 and only 3 threads - 1 for language analysis, 1 for text response and 1 for context. We can help each other out in addition to the markers' help.
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Ask enwiabe if you can make a sub-forum within English & ESL perhaps. This will inevitably get quite spammy so I think it's for the greater good.
As for the markers, I think it might be a problem. As AN gets larger and larger, we're going to inevitably get many more members wanting to join this group next year. However, the number of markers is not going to increase. I'm prepared to mark a few essays a month, but I assume eventually the number of 'qualified' markers is not going to be enough. My solution is that I think at some stage, you guys will need to be able to mark your own essays. This is a skill that you will develop yourself because the best way to learn English is to mark it yourself. The only reason why I am now able to mark essays is because I marked my own; it's not like I went to essay marking school or something. So I propose that eventually, especially for text response, you guys will need to mark each other's essays. This works out well since most of the qualified markers haven't done the texts you guys have done. This way, you guys can also read each other's essays and learn from them. It's a process of mutual benefit really. Context and LA will probably keep the qualified markers busy enough as is, then yeh, perhaps leave text response to be marked by one another? Perhaps the qualified markers can just briefly skim over them and ensure the expression and structure is fine, but I think the bulk of the work will rely on you guys marking each other's ideas and such.
Awesome idea. I've already started to critique myself and have seen quite a bit of improvement. :)
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^ Exactly right.... I corrected all my essays by myself before handing it to the teacher. It's good to get into the headspace of a marker.
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Just wondering, why is Rohitpi, a year 11, a marker?
A couple of year 11 students are marking - myself, Burberry and Rohitpi.
;)
Ah okay.. it's just that the majority of year 11's (you're an exception, obviously :P) have not done 3/4 English; some of the advice/comments they provide, instead of being helpful, may cause the exact opposite?
Hmm.. good point. I'll see. ;) And thanks! Haha ;D
Agreed. I was put on before I said yes.
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Update: ninwa has accepted my request for a subforum for 'essay marking'! :D This will be done as soon as possible.
And also, appianway has suggested I add an English Language counterpart to this.. so this will be done once the new subforum is up and running.
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You're contribution to VN has been massive werdna! :)
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You're contribution to VN has been massive werdna! :)
Not really... I've only been here 2 months. ;D
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Could someone please save a .doc copy of the timetable? I can't open .docx files :S
EDIT: I'm just going to update my version of OpenOffice, but I still think it'd be good to have a .doc version, for people with older versions of Microsoft Office.
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Could someone please save a .doc copy of the timetable? I can't open .docx files :S
EDIT: I'm just going to update my version of OpenOffice, but I still think it'd be good to have a .doc version, for people with older versions of Microsoft Office.
I have a .doc version. I'll update it later though. ;)
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I'll help mark Cosi essays. I got a 46 in English.
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I'll mark too - I got 34 :D Beat that :P
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My texts are also Richard III and Ransom
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I have uploaded the .doc version onto the first post.
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I'll mark too - I got 34 :D Beat that :P
m@tty, you're a genius at English! I remember you helped with a few of my essays! ;)
My texts are also Richard III and Ransom
Added.
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And 'Whose Reality?'. Forgot to mention that.
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lol I feel ditched, my name wasn't on the list!
I know that I'll be reading Growing Up Asian in Australia, 12 Angry Men, some poems from Sometimes Gladness and watching Witness for now
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lol I feel ditched, my name wasn't on the list!
I know that I'll be reading Growing Up Asian in Australia, 12 Angry Men, some poems from Sometimes Gladness and watching Witness for now
Which of those texts are you studying for text response? I don't need the context texts. ;)
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this needs to get stickied
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this needs to get stickied
We'll be getting a new 'essay marking' subforum soon anyway. :D
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this needs to get stickied
We'll be getting a new 'essay marking' subforum soon anyway. :D
Thats a better idea
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Ummm... I did English like, 3 years ago when there wasn't even a context part. But I'm happy to reread 1984 and Accidental Tourist and have a go at marking those essays ONLY IF nobody else can. (But hopefully someone who did English more recently can take those texts?)
Oh and Lantana if need be, I don't think I have a copy of it anymore but I unfortunately remember a lot of it.
Study score 46
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Ummm... I did English like, 3 years ago when there wasn't even a context part. But I'm happy to reread 1984 and Accidental Tourist and have a go at marking those essays ONLY IF nobody else can. (But hopefully someone who did English more recently can take those texts?)
Oh and Lantana if need be, I don't think I have a copy of it anymore but I unfortunately remember a lot of it.
Study score 46
No one's from next year's English class is actually doing any of your texts.. so you're lucky! ;D Thanks for the thought anyway ninwa. ;)
Should I be capping the number of members?? Reading and going through 25 essays in one week is going to be quite a tough ask for the essay markers..... I might cap the number of members at around 35. Thoughts?
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I'd be surprised if everyone keeps to their word... :)
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I'd be surprised if everyone keeps to their word... :)
;D
Let's just say.. I'll be sending out some.. friendly reminders. ;D
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I'd be surprised if everyone keeps to their word... :)
;D
Let's just say.. I'll be sending out some.. friendly reminders. ;D
Hehehe.
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Ummm... I did English like, 3 years ago when there wasn't even a context part. But I'm happy to reread 1984 and Accidental Tourist and have a go at marking those essays ONLY IF nobody else can. (But hopefully someone who did English more recently can take those texts?)
Oh and Lantana if need be, I don't think I have a copy of it anymore but I unfortunately remember a lot of it.
Study score 46
No one's from next year's English class is actually doing any of your texts.. so you're lucky! ;D Thanks for the thought anyway ninwa. ;)
Should I be capping the number of members?? Reading and going through 25 essays in one week is going to be quite a tough ask for the essay markers..... I might cap the number of members at around 35. Thoughts?
You should just make it compulsory for the MEMBERS who want their own essays critiqued, to agree to reviewing 2-3 essays. That way you all get practice writing, as well as getting feedback on it. And you'll also learn to mark essays, so you'll be able to pick up mistakes in your own writing, they'll get to study other peoples wriing in detail and pick up tricks, techniques etc. Also, it means it'll all get marked.
Perhaps each of the markers only does 1 essay per week? Like, they make their way through members, so that each week a handful of the essays get marked thoroughly by these markers. And work it so that it cycles through members so over the course of a few weeks everyone gets personal input from the markers.
It will be a big challenge, and it will take strong resolve for markers and members to stick at it the whole year.. But IF it works, it could be awesome.
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No one's from next year's English class is actually doing any of your texts.. so you're lucky! ;D Thanks for the thought anyway ninwa. ;)
Oh thank god. :P
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No one's from next year's English class is actually doing any of your texts.. so you're lucky! ;D Thanks for the thought anyway ninwa. ;)
Oh thank god. :P
There is still language analysis ;)
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Ummm... I did English like, 3 years ago when there wasn't even a context part. But I'm happy to reread 1984 and Accidental Tourist and have a go at marking those essays ONLY IF nobody else can. (But hopefully someone who did English more recently can take those texts?)
Oh and Lantana if need be, I don't think I have a copy of it anymore but I unfortunately remember a lot of it.
Study score 46
No one's from next year's English class is actually doing any of your texts.. so you're lucky! ;D Thanks for the thought anyway ninwa. ;)
Should I be capping the number of members?? Reading and going through 25 essays in one week is going to be quite a tough ask for the essay markers..... I might cap the number of members at around 35. Thoughts?
You should just make it compulsory for the MEMBERS who want their own essays critiqued, to agree to reviewing 2-3 essays. That way you all get practice writing, as well as getting feedback on it. And you'll also learn to mark essays, so you'll be able to pick up mistakes in your own writing, they'll get to study other peoples wriing in detail and pick up tricks, techniques etc. Also, it means it'll all get marked.
Perhaps each of the markers only does 1 essay per week? Like, they make their way through members, so that each week a handful of the essays get marked thoroughly by these markers. And work it so that it cycles through members so over the course of a few weeks everyone gets personal input from the markers.
It will be a big challenge, and it will take strong resolve for markers and members to stick at it the whole year.. But IF it works, it could be awesome.
I like this idea. ;)
I have capped members at 25 and markers also at 25.
This way, we can rotate the markers around so that they only need to mark 1 essay a week... and the amount of essays/members is workable.
One more year 11 to join the initiative!
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No one's from next year's English class is actually doing any of your texts.. so you're lucky! ;D Thanks for the thought anyway ninwa. ;)
Oh thank god. :P
There is still language analysis ;)
Ahh yes... ninwa, can I put your name down? ;)
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Ummm... I did English like, 3 years ago when there wasn't even a context part. But I'm happy to reread 1984 and Accidental Tourist and have a go at marking those essays ONLY IF nobody else can. (But hopefully someone who did English more recently can take those texts?)
Oh and Lantana if need be, I don't think I have a copy of it anymore but I unfortunately remember a lot of it.
Study score 46
No one's from next year's English class is actually doing any of your texts.. so you're lucky! ;D Thanks for the thought anyway ninwa. ;)
Should I be capping the number of members?? Reading and going through 25 essays in one week is going to be quite a tough ask for the essay markers..... I might cap the number of members at around 35. Thoughts?
You should just make it compulsory for the MEMBERS who want their own essays critiqued, to agree to reviewing 2-3 essays. That way you all get practice writing, as well as getting feedback on it. And you'll also learn to mark essays, so you'll be able to pick up mistakes in your own writing, they'll get to study other peoples wriing in detail and pick up tricks, techniques etc. Also, it means it'll all get marked.
Perhaps each of the markers only does 1 essay per week? Like, they make their way through members, so that each week a handful of the essays get marked thoroughly by these markers. And work it so that it cycles through members so over the course of a few weeks everyone gets personal input from the markers.
It will be a big challenge, and it will take strong resolve for markers and members to stick at it the whole year.. But IF it works, it could be awesome.
I like this idea. ;)
I have capped members at 25 and markers also at 25.
This way, we can rotate the markers around so that they only need to mark 1 essay a week... and the amount of essays/members is workable.
One more year 11 to join the initiative!
No, you misunderstand xD
The bulk of the marking gets done by the students. Then some of the essays, a number based on the available markers, get marked by the designated markers.
This way the students become self sufficient, so when the markers' activity inevitably decreases with uni workload etc. there is minimal loss to the program.
It also makes it less exclusive, so in any given week a newbie can put forward an essay so long as they agree to critique another 2-3 essays as best they can. Otherwise you would be out of line with the purpose of VN. ;)
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Yeh, I was thinking along the lines of what m@tty said. I think the qualified markers should more just be there to support it and deal with any conflicts or indecisiveness in the marking. Ultimately, I don't think you can rely on this system being supported by markers. I assume many are eventually going to get fed up and bail.
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No, you misunderstand xD
The bulk of the marking gets done by the students. Then some of the essays, a number based on the available markers, get marked by the designated markers.
This way the students become self sufficient, so when the markers' activity inevitably decreases with uni workload etc. there is minimal loss to the program.
It also makes it less exclusive, so in any given week a newbie can put forward an essay so long as they agree to critique another 2-3 essays as best they can. Otherwise you would be out of line with the purpose of VN. ;)
Yeap I understand now. :D So maybe members marking half, essay markers marking half?
I'll be keeping a track record of everything though - overdue work, how many more essays members need to mark, which essay markers have been inactive, etc.
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Yeh, I was thinking along the lines of what m@tty said. I think the qualified markers should more just be there to support it and deal with any conflicts or indecisiveness in the marking. Ultimately, I don't think you can rely on this system being supported by markers. I assume many are eventually going to get fed up and bail.
True... this is why I didn't like the idea of having one thread per marker or assigning a group of members to one marker - it would be too much and members wouldn't be able to work independently.
Let's put the system this way - it's just like how VN members used to do it - posting up their essays for ANYONE, not just English pro's, to critique. The only difference here, is that I will be providing the articles, the topics and the prompts, and chasing up all members for overdue work. The qualified markers are just there to help us out and provide advice whenever they can, and rank the week's essays if this is what the other members want.
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Nah, not a designated number.
(Anyway, I don't really think that there will be 15 markers throughout the year.. Then again, I expect that there will be less than 30 students who stick with it also.. maybe 10-15?..)
And was suggesting that each week, anyone who submits an essay provides a (brief) critique on another 2-3 essays, so everyone gets some decent feedback, without anyone being overworked. I expect at the beginning, many of the year 12s will give basic advice, simply because they haven't really done it before. But as the year progresses, and they observe how certain markers go about critiquing, the year 12 will learn, and markers will become less and less necessary :D
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Nah, not a designated number.
(Anyway, I don't really think that there will be 15 markers throughout the year.. Then again, I expect that there will be less than 30 students who stick with it also.. maybe 10-15?..)
And was suggesting that each week, anyone who submits an essay provides a (brief) critique on another 2-3 essays, so everyone gets some decent feedback, without anyone being overworked. I expect at the beginning, many of the year 12s will give basic advice, simply because they haven't really done it before. But as the year progresses, and they observe how certain markers go about critiquing, the year 12 will learn, and markers will become less and less necessary :D
Good idea. I will make it compulsory for members to critique at least 2/3 essays BEFORE they post their essay.
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Yeh, I was thinking along the lines of what m@tty said. I think the qualified markers should more just be there to support it and deal with any conflicts or indecisiveness in the marking. Ultimately, I don't think you can rely on this system being supported by markers. I assume many are eventually going to get fed up and bail.
True... this is why I didn't like the idea of having one thread per marker or assigning a group of members to one marker - it would be too much and members wouldn't be able to work independently.
Let's put the system this way - it's just like how VN members used to do it - posting up their essays for ANYONE, not just English pro's, to critique. The only difference here, is that I will be providing the articles, the topics and the prompts, and chasing up all members for overdue work. The qualified markers are just there to help us out and provide advice whenever they can, and rank the week's essays if this is what the other members want.
Yep. That's a good system. Maybe there should be a board for each username? So people can go like "English Essays" -> "werdna" -> "Context", and then they'll be sorted by date. Otherwise I see this getting very messy.. =\
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Yeh, I was thinking along the lines of what m@tty said. I think the qualified markers should more just be there to support it and deal with any conflicts or indecisiveness in the marking. Ultimately, I don't think you can rely on this system being supported by markers. I assume many are eventually going to get fed up and bail.
True... this is why I didn't like the idea of having one thread per marker or assigning a group of members to one marker - it would be too much and members wouldn't be able to work independently.
Let's put the system this way - it's just like how VN members used to do it - posting up their essays for ANYONE, not just English pro's, to critique. The only difference here, is that I will be providing the articles, the topics and the prompts, and chasing up all members for overdue work. The qualified markers are just there to help us out and provide advice whenever they can, and rank the week's essays if this is what the other members want.
Yep. That's a good system. Maybe there should be a board for each username? So people can go like "English Essays" -> "werdna" -> "Context", and then they'll be sorted by date. Otherwise I see this getting very messy.. =\
Excellent idea. EXCELLENT!
I can see this username organising idea working once the subforum is ready to go! :)
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And was suggesting that each week, anyone who submits an essay provides a (brief) critique on another 2-3 essays, so everyone gets some decent feedback, without anyone being overworked. I expect at the beginning, many of the year 12s will give basic advice, simply because they haven't really done it before. But as the year progresses, and they observe how certain markers go about critiquing, the year 12 will learn, and markers will become less and less necessary :D
Yep, was thinking that's how it'll work. Come exam time, you guys really need to be self-sufficient given most of us uni students will be busy, but also because you should have the ability to mark essays yourself anyway. At the start of the year when we're less busy, I'm sure you guys will start to see how we mark and what we expect and from there you can work it out yourself I guess.
Yep. That's a good system. Maybe there should be a board for each username? So people can go like "English Essays" -> "werdna" -> "Context", and then they'll be sorted by date. Otherwise I see this getting very messy.. =\
Too many sub-forums I think. I think just a separate thread for each person.
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each marker or student?
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I think my text response will be 12 Angry Men :X
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With regards to m@tty's idea about the username organising.... ninwa is organising a subforum for 'essay marking'. Under this subforum, each member will have their own thread consisting of all their essays and advice from others. So in effect, each and every member will have a collection of AT LEAST 35ish essays if they follow this program correctly. - I think this is what m@tty was trying to say?
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each marker or student?
I'm anticipating each student will have their own thread in the new subforum.
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each marker or student?
Student. Markers will be rotating since it's the students who are marking the majority of it now.
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this is starting to sound really good!! almost like an online english classroom :)
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So wait. You want the forum to be:
Essay marking => split into text response and context? Or just each person gets their own thread for everything?
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With regards to m@tty's idea about the username organising.... ninwa is organising a subforum for 'essay marking'. Under this subforum, each member will have their own thread consisting of all their essays and advice from others. So in effect, each and every member will have a collection of AT LEAST 35ish essays if they follow this program correctly. - I think this is what m@tty was trying to say?
Yep, precisely.
It'll get stuffed when people post in old essays though.
In each title get the student to put the week number, for example: "Week 18, werdna, imaginative context attempt 2, Omagh Crucible".
So includes username, week number, type(text, context, LA), form(Imaginative, persuasive, expository), texts. On second thoughts, the last two aren't very necessary.
This will really clog up the recent unread posts though =\
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So wait. You want the forum to be:
Essay marking => split into text response and context? Or just each person gets their own thread for everything?
Probably essay marking => usernames
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So wait. You want the forum to be:
Essay marking => split into text response and context? Or just each person gets their own thread for everything?
Probably essay marking => usernames
This.
With the clogging - this is why I'm going to cap the amount of students. ;D
As per usual, some members won't bother to carry out the thing all year.
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Let's see if we can get half of the members in this venture into 47+ territory :P
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Let's see if we can get half of the members in this venture into 47+ territory :P
If this happens we should open up a VN school. The school would top the state most years :P
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PLEASE enforce a 100 postcount onto the essay thing. Whilst I'm all for helping people out on here for free, it sickens me to know that there are 60 people that only take to every 1 contributor.
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Let's see if we can get half of the members in this venture into 47+ territory :P
That's the plan. ;D
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PLEASE enforce a 100 postcount onto the essay thing. Whilst I'm all for helping people out on here for free, it sickens me to know that there are 60 people that only take to every 1 contributor.
Hmm... please explain? I didn't get the last part.. ;D
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PLEASE enforce a 100 postcount onto the essay thing. Whilst I'm all for helping people out on here for free, it sickens me to know that there are 60 people that only take to every 1 contributor.
Oh, yeah we need this.
And it'll also be a way to keep new members. Get 'em to come for the essay marking, but they need to post a bit before they're allowed in. Then bam, too late, they're hooked. lol
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I will check now and see whether all of our 25 members have 100 posts... ;)
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PLEASE enforce a 100 postcount onto the essay thing. Whilst I'm all for helping people out on here for free, it sickens me to know that there are 60 people that only take to every 1 contributor.
Hmm... please explain? I didn't get the last part.. ;D
People should be in the system (and having their essays marked) to reap the full benefits of it. I KNOW there are people who use VCEnotes essays in their SACs and Exams, one student from MHS got 44 in english this year by copying essays from the last two english prize winners from our school. Having a restriction goes some way to reduce the likelihood of this system descending into pure plagiarism.
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I will check now and see whether all of our 25 members have 100 posts... ;)
But you don't need to restrict it anymore?
New members should be allowed to join if they have enough posts and are happy to mark others' essays.
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I can restrict the forum by member groups (I think).
VN Contributor = 50 posts
Respected VN member = 200 posts
There is no group for 100 posts, so you'll have to choose between allowing people with 50+ posts to participate or allowing those with 200+
Also - I think a limit of 25 is not enough and kind of goes against the aim of this site
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Yeh, as long as they're marking others' essays, I don't see a need to set a post count threshold.
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I will check now and see whether all of our 25 members have 100 posts... ;)
But you don't need to restrict it anymore?
New members should be allowed to join if they have enough posts and are happy to mark others' essays.
Good point...
I can restrict the forum by member groups (I think).
VN Contributor = 50 posts
Respected VN member = 200 posts
There is no group for 100 posts, so you'll have to choose between allowing people with 50+ posts to participate or allowing those with 200+
Also - I think a limit of 25 is not enough and kind of goes against the aim of this site
Hmm.. what do you say guys? I'm not too sure on this.
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PLEASE enforce a 100 postcount onto the essay thing. Whilst I'm all for helping people out on here for free, it sickens me to know that there are 60 people that only take to every 1 contributor.
I agree, not only would I like mine to be marked and critiqued, but I'd like to think we all help eachother out, and it''s not fair if its a one way process...
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Definitely not 200 posts, that's a lot. 50 should be alright. I mean, people can Just stick around for a week and get that many..
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PLEASE enforce a 100 postcount onto the essay thing. Whilst I'm all for helping people out on here for free, it sickens me to know that there are 60 people that only take to every 1 contributor.
I agree, not only would I like mine to be marked and critiqued, but I'd like to think we all help eachother out, and it''s not fair if its a one way process...
Well a post count doesn't help in enforcing that. That just shows that that member posts elsewhere. To really show that someone is supporting this program, really it's just about them marking others' essays. Consequently, that should then obviously be the requirement.
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I will check now and see whether all of our 25 members have 100 posts... ;)
ellecee doesn't, but she is my friend from school and I can vouch for her honesty. If she cheats, I'll know ;)
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TBH, I don't want to have to restrict member access to such a useful board.
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PLEASE enforce a 100 postcount onto the essay thing. Whilst I'm all for helping people out on here for free, it sickens me to know that there are 60 people that only take to every 1 contributor.
I agree, not only would I like mine to be marked and critiqued, but I'd like to think we all help eachother out, and it''s not fair if its a one way process...
Well a post count doesn't help in enforcing that. That just shows that that member posts elsewhere. To really show that someone is supporting this program, really it's just about them marking others' essays. Consequently, that should then obviously be the requirement.
Exactly right. I will make it a general rule that EVERY signed-up member MUST critique at least 2/3 other essays in the subforum, before posting their own essay. And these pieces of advice need to be insightful, not done for the sake of it, too.
TBH, I don't want to have to restrict member access to such a useful board.
I think it's best for us to just leave everything as it is then - and not restrict any members. We will require signed-up members to provide handy advice for others before publishing their essays though.
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TBH, I don't want to have to restrict member access to such a useful board.
Yeah, it wouldn't be fair if they weren't even allowed to read all of the essays.
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Thread for each person sounds friggin epic LOL
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Thread for each person sounds friggin epic LOL
That was the plan. ;D
I only want around 25ish members to take up this initiative though... I want to keep it manageable for everyone - other members, the markers (who will now be marking only on an occasional basis) and myself (I will be keeping track of overdue work and also ensuring that members help others before they seek help).
I hope it works out though.. anticipating that all 25 of us can get decent scores!!
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How about we set a karma count instead of post count?
That way we'll know if people help or not. :)
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Karma is an even worse way of tracking someone's usefulness. I'm sure we'll know whether someone's marked 2 or 3 essays before. Not really that difficult to keep track of.
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How about we set a karma count instead of post count?
That way we'll know if people help or not. :)
Maybe... but half of the karma's given out are for jokes, to be honest.
BUT, if we get members to karma other members a code like 'ENGHELP' or something, we'll be able to keep track.
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How about we set a karma count instead of post count?
That way we'll know if people help or not. :)
Maybe... but half of the karma's given out are for jokes, to be honest.
BUT, if we get members to karma other members a code like 'ENGHELP' or something, we'll be able to keep track.
Codewords...I likey
:D
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I think such arbitrary restrictions completely go against what this site was set up for
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We will require signed-up members to provide handy advice for others before publishing their essays though.
What if we can't provide 'handy advice'? :|
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We will require signed-up members to provide handy advice for others before publishing their essays though.
What if we can't provide 'handy advice'? :|
Do your best. No doubt if you are reading lots of essays and critiques of thereof, you'll begin to see the common foibles and pitfalls, and you'll learn how to point them out as well.
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We will require signed-up members to provide handy advice for others before publishing their essays though.
What if we can't provide 'handy advice'? :|
Do your best. No doubt if you are reading lots of essays and critiques of thereof, you'll begin to see the common foibles and pitfalls, and you'll learn how to point them out as well.
Well, i like to think i am good at english... But that is just compared to the rest of my school. And let's just say, the students at my school aren't exactly great. In fact, this year NO ONE got over 40 in english (well, as far as i know anyway). This makes me worry that my advice would not be useful at all!
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We will require signed-up members to provide handy advice for others before publishing their essays though.
What if we can't provide 'handy advice'? :|
Do your best. No doubt if you are reading lots of essays and critiques of thereof, you'll begin to see the common foibles and pitfalls, and you'll learn how to point them out as well.
Well, i like to think i am good at english... But that is just compared to the rest of my school. And let's just say, the students at my school aren't exactly great. In fact, this year NO ONE got over 40 in english (well, as far as i know anyway). This makes me worry that my advice would not be useful at all!
Do your best. The purpose of you guys marking each others' essays isn't just for them. It's for you to learn something from it yourself. We often marked each others work in my tutor class and you'll find it really helps. While you're marking their work, you can also pinch vocab and phrases that you like yourself. It's all part of the process.
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I guess you just need to show that you at least tried to help someone else out. ;)
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I guess you just need to show that you at least tried to help someone else out. ;)
I will try my best! :D
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:S I think this is my 3rd post.
It's just that I don't have much to contribute yet!
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:S I think this is my 3rd post.
It's just that I don't have much to contribute yet!
6th, you mean. ;)
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Too late to sign up?
Does this mean i have to do EVERY single essay btw? I'll try do most of them.
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So this is the final plan.
- a subforum called 'Essay Marking' will be created under the 'English' board
- each signed-up member will have their own thread
- this thread will contain ALL of their essays - language analysis, text responses AND context pieces
- I will be providing ALL the articles, topics and prompts at the start of every month until October 2011
- before posting up your essays and asking for help with your own work, you will need to help out others too!
- you will be required to critique AT LEAST 2/3 essays in the same subforum before you post up your essay/s
- the essay markers listed below will be marking essays, off their own accord, voluntarily and occasionally
- we will be helping out each other... we cannot rely on the help of the essay markers below alone, as we need to be able to correct our own work sufficiently
- any members who have overdue work will have a message inbox spammed with PMs from me ;D
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Too late to sign up?
Does this mean i have to do EVERY single essay btw? I'll try do most of them.
It's not too late. ;) It is for your own good that you complete most, if not all, essays.
EDIT: You were the lucky last!!
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I'm really excited to see how this goes and all but because of my weakness in English, I don't think the "critique" that I give out to other essay writers will be any good and that it would not be fair on them... Maybe we need something to start us off or something? To teach us how to critique? :S
Don't really know where I'm going with this.
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Given that you guys are marking your own work, why does there need to be a cap? The more people that are involved, the more markers there are. Or is it just because it would be too difficult in terms of administration for you to chase up 50 people? If so that's fair enough.
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So Andrew, you're writing and marking?
I'd like to help out with marking, but having done Lit 1/2 and not English 1/2, I don't really have a good idea of the criteria...so I suppose maybe later in the year I could, but not now.
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EDIT: You were the lucky last!!
Umm, I think that you may need to speak to ninwa about that..
I think such arbitrary restrictions completely go against what this site was set up for
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So this is the final plan.
- a subforum called 'Essay Marking' will be created under the 'English' board
- each signed-up member will have their own thread
- this thread will contain ALL of their essays - language analysis, text responses AND context pieces
- I will be providing ALL the articles, topics and prompts at the start of every month until October 2011
- before posting up your essays and asking for help with your own work, you will need to help out others too!
- you will be required to critique AT LEAST 2/3 essays in the same subforum before you post up your essay/s
- the essay markers listed below will be marking essays, off their own accord, voluntarily and occasionally
- we will be helping out each other... we cannot rely on the help of the essay markers below alone, as we need to be able to correct our own work sufficiently
- any members who have overdue work will have a message inbox spammed with PMs from me ;D
Lol doesn't that mean that we can never start submitting our own as we have to mark someone elses first - who also cannot submit theirs as they have to mark someone elses... :D
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I'm really excited to see how this goes and all but because of my weakness in English, I don't think the "critique" that I give out to other essay writers will be any good and that it would not be fair on them... Maybe we need something to start us off or something? To teach us how to critique? :S
Don't really know where I'm going with this.
;D I'm sure you'll do well. In English, it is crucial that you pick up some critique-ing skills.. so you can better improve your own writing. I guess you just need to compare the essay you are given with the assessment criteria.
You will just need to prove that you at least tried to help out someone else with their English work. ;)
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So Andrew, you're writing and marking?
I'd like to help out with marking, but having done Lit 1/2 and not English 1/2, I don't really have a good idea of the criteria...so I suppose maybe later in the year I could, but not now.
Same, I'd love to be a marker as well, albeit further on during the yaer.
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I'm really excited to see how this goes and all but because of my weakness in English, I don't think the "critique" that I give out to other essay writers will be any good and that it would not be fair on them... Maybe we need something to start us off or something? To teach us how to critique? :S
Don't really know where I'm going with this.
The assessment criteria can be found here (warning: will download .doc file) - http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/english/englisheslhb08-11.doc.
Generally, you are marking across content, structure and expression. Then you just have to consider some specific things to each study area such as how well they have interacted with the topic etc.
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Given that you guys are marking your own work, why does there need to be a cap? The more people that are involved, the more markers there are. Or is it just because it would be too difficult in terms of administration for you to chase up 50 people? If so that's fair enough.
The latter. Do any of the members want to join me and take care of overdue work and ensuring that members are helping each other out? :D If this is possible.. then sure, of course we could take up more members!
Lol doesn't that mean that we can never start submitting our own as we have to mark someone elses first - who also cannot submit theirs as they have to mark someone elses... :D
Hmm I think you've misunderstood this - everyone will have their own personal thread and there is bound to be essays ready to be marked.. I don't know how to explain this, I'm all confused now. ;D Anyone else wanna explain this to nacho?
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Nah, what he said makes sense. I thought of the same thing too but figured obviously starting off is an exception :P I guess just specify that that rule only applies to people who join later on in the year (that is if you expand the member cap if someone else wants to take care of the chasing up and whatnot).
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So Andrew, you're writing and marking?
I'd like to help out with marking, but having done Lit 1/2 and not English 1/2, I don't really have a good idea of the criteria...so I suppose maybe later in the year I could, but not now.
Yes.. BUT everyone will be marking essays. I have decreased the reliance on the 'qualified markers' and increased the reliance on member collaboration.. before you ask for help with your essays, you'll need to help someone else with theirs. ;)
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Given that you guys are marking your own work, why does there need to be a cap? The more people that are involved, the more markers there are. Or is it just because it would be too difficult in terms of administration for you to chase up 50 people? If so that's fair enough.
The latter. Do any of the members want to join me and take care of overdue work and ensuring that members are helping each other out? :D If this is possible.. then sure, of course we could take up more members!
Lol doesn't that mean that we can never start submitting our own as we have to mark someone elses first - who also cannot submit theirs as they have to mark someone elses... :D
Hmm I think you've misunderstood this - everyone will have their own personal thread and there is bound to be essays ready to be marked.. I don't know how to explain this, I'm all confused now. ;D Anyone else wanna explain this to nacho?
LOL, I think he/she meant it as a joke, as in, because every 'student' must critique and 'mark' work first before submitting their own essay, then if every student has to 'mark' work first, then no one would ever have the chance to hand in an essay? :P
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LOL, I think he/she meant it as a joke, as in, because every 'student' must critique and 'mark' work first before submitting their own essay, then if every student has to 'mark' work first, then no one would ever have the chance to hand in an essay? :P
Oh come on.. it wouldn't take THAT long to critique an essay? ;D
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LOL, I think he/she meant it as a joke, as in, because every 'student' must critique and 'mark' work first before submitting their own essay, then if every student has to 'mark' work first, then no one would ever have the chance to hand in an essay? :P
Oh come on.. it wouldn't take THAT long to critique an essay? ;D
You don't get my point... T_T
Well this is my interpretation, (as a joke), but if everyone MUST mark an essay before submitting essays, then the implication assumed would be that no one would be able to submit an essay
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It's a paradox :D
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^ I still don't get it ;D ;D....
Of course you'd be able to submit an essay... just mark someone else's essay and you can submit your own.
YOUR essays will be located in YOUR personal thread... hence, you won't be waiting for someone's essay to be marked before you can post it up. Everyone's essays will NOT be located in the same thread. :) I've already had this thought out. ;D
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Put me down to mark "On The Waterfront"
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^ I still don't get it ;D ;D....
Of course you'd be able to submit an essay... just mark someone else's essay and you can submit your own.
YOUR essays will be located in YOUR personal thread... hence, you won't be waiting for someone's essay to be marked before you can post it up. Everyone's essays will NOT be located in the same thread. :) I've already had this thought out. ;D
If I want to submit my essay, I first have to mark someone else's essay. But the other participants can't post their essays until they mark another person's. Hence, I will never be able to post my essay unless someone breaks this rule and posts their essay without having first marked another person's essay.
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^ I still don't get it ;D ;D....
Of course you'd be able to submit an essay... just mark someone else's essay and you can submit your own.
YOUR essays will be located in YOUR personal thread... hence, you won't be waiting for someone's essay to be marked before you can post it up. Everyone's essays will NOT be located in the same thread. :) I've already had this thought out. ;D
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NEVERMIND LOL
but yeah it's a paradox
>_>
it was a joke LOL
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LMAO.
As in because the requirement is that you must have marked an essay to be able to post one, no one will be able to meet the requirement hence no essays can be possibly posted for marking so others fulfil that requirement.
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The first person to post an essay has to break the rule, because there aren't any other essays up for them to critique :P
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Even if i am not a marker or poster of essays, will i still have access to view the essays? I think many posters like myself would be assisted greatly through just reading these essays
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Even if i am not a marker or poster of essays, will i still have access to view the essays? I think many posters like myself would be assisted greatly through just reading these essays
+1
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Even if i am not a marker or poster of essays, will i still have access to view the essays? I think many posters like myself would be assisted greatly through just reading these essays
Yep, pretty sure you'll be able to. It'd be against the spirit of AN to ban others from viewing them really. Not to mention that it'd be a permissions nightmare for Nina to set it up like that.
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Even if i am not a marker or poster of essays, will i still have access to view the essays? I think many posters like myself would be assisted greatly through just reading these essays
Yes, you will have full access to all the essays... I just hope you respect this access and use the essays as a resource only - not a centre from which you can plagiarise. ;)
To Andiio and funkyducky... ;D ;D I'll be the one who breaks the rule first then.. geez.
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Even if i am not a marker or poster of essays, will i still have access to view the essays? I think many posters like myself would be assisted greatly through just reading these essays
Yes, you will have full access to all the essays... I just hope you respect this access and use the essays as a resource only - not a centre from which you can plagiarise. ;)
To Andiio and funkyducky... ;D ;D I'll be the one who breaks the rule first then.. geez.
I'm dobbing on you.
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Given that you guys are marking your own work, why does there need to be a cap? The more people that are involved, the more markers there are. Or is it just because it would be too difficult in terms of administration for you to chase up 50 people? If so that's fair enough.
The latter. Do any of the members want to join me and take care of overdue work and ensuring that members are helping each other out? :D If this is possible.. then sure, of course we could take up more members!
If no one else volunteers, I don't mind helping out :)
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Even if i am not a marker or poster of essays, will i still have access to view the essays? I think many posters like myself would be assisted greatly through just reading these essays
Yes, you will have full access to all the essays... I just hope you respect this access and use the essays as a resource only - not a centre from which you can plagiarise. ;)
To Andiio and funkyducky... ;D ;D I'll be the one who breaks the rule first then.. geez.
Ofcourse. It will be a foundation for me and others. I learn the best by reading some of the best
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gossamer, you've just been recruited. ;)
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gossamer, you've just been recruited. ;)
Awesome, let me know how I can help you out! :)
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werdna, if you still want me, I'll take part LOL.
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werdna, if you still want me, I'll take part LOL.
mandy, you've just been recruited. ;)
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Sorry, I just have to do this. Please excuse me...
Oh Mandy you came and you found me a turkey...
:)
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Sorry, I just have to do this. Please excuse me...
Oh Mandy you came and you found me a turkey...
:)
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Sorry, I just have to do this. Please excuse me...
Oh Mandy you came and you found me a turkey...
:)
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Hahaha it's from The Simpsons :) And they adapted it from Barry Manilow's 'Mandy'.
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Sorry, I just have to do this. Please excuse me...
Oh Mandy you came and you found me a turkey...
:)
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Hahaha it's from The Simpsons :) And they adapted it from Barry Manilow's 'Mandy'.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH VERY NICE MOVE.
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:)
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Yep, pretty sure you'll be able to. It'd be against the spirit of AN to ban others from viewing them really. Not to mention that it'd be a permissions nightmare for Nina to set it up like that.
Nah it's actually quite easy but I don't see any real reason why it should be restricted
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I haven't got a full list of text response texts.
So a reminder to all members that you need to tell me which texts you are studying for text response. ;) I will be compiling a list of topics very, very soon!!
This initiative comes down to whether we are able to have a subforum or not..... :-\
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Sorry, I just have to do this. Please excuse me...
Oh Mandy you came and you found me a turkey...
:)
:-\ :-\
Hahaha it's from The Simpsons :) And they adapted it from Barry Manilow's 'Mandy'.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH VERY NICE MOVE.
MASTER MANDY :O
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Sorry, I just have to do this. Please excuse me...
Oh Mandy you came and you found me a turkey...
:)
:-\ :-\
Hahaha it's from The Simpsons :) And they adapted it from Barry Manilow's 'Mandy'.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH VERY NICE MOVE.
MASTER MANDY :O
GRASSHOPPER.
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I haven't got a full list of text response texts.
So a reminder to all members that you need to tell me which texts you are studying for text response. ;) I will be compiling a list of topics very, very soon!!
This initiative comes down to whether we are able to have a subforum or not..... :-\
You have seen THIS, haven't you?..
EDIT: If you need more conflict topics, look here. Just a few more here ;)
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I haven't got a full list of text response texts.
So a reminder to all members that you need to tell me which texts you are studying for text response. ;) I will be compiling a list of topics very, very soon!!
This initiative comes down to whether we are able to have a subforum or not..... :-\
You have seen THIS, haven't you?..
Thanks m@tty!! Nope, haven't seen that.... I've only been here 2 months. ;D But I can only take the topics of two texts from that list.. the contexts, I can take all though! ;)
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BIG THANKS TO OUR ADMINS - A NEW SUBFORUM JUST FOR ESSAY SUBMISSIONS AND MARKING!!
http://vce.atarnotes.com/forum/index.php?topic=35537.msg377530#msg377530
I will get started on this thing right now! ;)
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Oooo, how come I get a special role?
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Oooo, how come I get a special role?
;D ;D I recruited you earlier, remember? After I was asking for volunteers.....
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Oooo, how come I get a special role?
;D ;D I recruited you earlier, remember? After I was asking for volunteers.....
Haha, I didn't realise this was a different role. Are the responsibilties basically the same?
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I was just thinking - this initiative will really help you if you do all the specified work during the year!! At the end of it, you'll have a good set of essays, and you'll be able to see the vast improvements you've made.
You could even print out the essays, along with the constructive criticism other members have given you, and that would be a really good study resource come exam time!
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Oooo, how come I get a special role?
;D ;D I recruited you earlier, remember? After I was asking for volunteers.....
Haha, I didn't realise this was a different role. Are the responsibilties basically the same?
Check your PMs and also the first post - I've highligted your name in bold with your responsibility next to it.
Do you wanna quit? ;D
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Oooo, how come I get a special role?
;D ;D I recruited you earlier, remember? After I was asking for volunteers.....
Haha, I didn't realise this was a different role. Are the responsibilties basically the same?
Check your PMs and also the first post - I've highligted your name in bold with your responsibility next to it.
Do you wanna quit? ;D
Na, everything's fine :)
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Mandy is the GOD OF ENG
:) Be afraid. LOL
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Mandy is the GOD OF ENG
:) Be afraid. LOL
Haha aww, that's cute. Thanks grasshopper LOL.
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Oh btw, I'm studying On the Waterfront, Ransom, The Shark Net and a Streetcar named Desire.
And I was wondering, when you said that we need to critique 2/3 of the essays in the same section, is that 2 or 3 or two thirds? If it's two thirds how many essays should we be expecting to critique? (Btw, I'm not in anyway opposed to it, in fact im sure it would be good practice to be able to look critically at a piece of writing :)
Thanks so much for the time you're sacrificing for this - it's legendary :D
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Oh btw, I'm studying On the Waterfront, Ransom, The Shark Net and a Streetcar named Desire.
And I was wondering, when you said that we need to critique 2/3 of the essays in the same section, is that 2 or 3 or two thirds? If it's two thirds how many essays should we be expecting to critique? (Btw, I'm not in anyway opposed to it, in fact im sure it would be good practice to be able to look critically at a piece of writing :)
Thanks so much for the time you're sacrificing for this - it's legendary :D
I meant two or three essays. ;)
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To clarify, there will now be NO capped limit on the amount of members. I was planning on capping the amount because it'd be a battle trying to chase up everyone for late work and also checking whether everyone has done their fair share of work. BUT, I've got two members helping with this, so it's all good now. ;)
Since we will be relying on each other to provide advice, there will now be less reliance on the essay markers listed on page 1. Their role will only be an occasional one, marking essays whenever they can.
The more members signing up, the better!
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Cool, that's better :)
Out of interest, who will be composing their essays on computer and who will be composing them on paper and then scanning them in?
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Cool, that's better :)
Out of interest, who will be composing their essays on computer and who will be composing them on paper and then scanning them in?
If I can get the scanner working, it'll be all handwritten.. I want to be timing myself properly this time round and not typing every single essay up ;D and besides, it's harder for the lurkers to copy and paste.
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If I can get the scanner working, it'll be all handwritten.. I want to be timing myself properly this time round and not typing every single essay up ;D and besides, it's harder for the lurkers to copy and paste.
Do we have to scan it? Personally, I would prefer to type it up!?
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^ It's up to personal preference. You can type it if you like. ;)
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Yeah :) I think there is some value in typing it 'cause you can learn to restructure your work and make use of the thesaurus. It works nicely for preliminary essays where it can help you to consolidate ideas but then it isn't of as much use when you need specific practice for the exam or a SAC. I'd be expecting typed pieces to be of slightly higher quality because typing on a computer is quicker and it's easier to audit your work.
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Just make sure to double space your work if you're handwriting and that's fine. Typing can be quite distracting as I worked out from my own experiences...
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Just make sure to double space your work if you're handwriting and that's fine. Typing can be quite distracting as I worked out from my own experiences...
Would 1 space be enough? (or is that double spacing? :S)
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Just make sure to double space your work if you're handwriting and that's fine. Typing can be quite distracting as I worked out from my own experiences...
Would 1 space be enough? (or is that double spacing? :S)
Yeh that's double spacing. As in like one blank line in between each written line.
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I've got the go-ahead from enwiabe! Will now start on the new subforum.
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Just make sure to double space your work if you're handwriting and that's fine. Typing can be quite distracting as I worked out from my own experiences...
Would 1 space be enough? (or is that double spacing? :S)
Yeh that's double spacing. As in like one blank line in between each written line.
That'd be advised for the exam, right? :)
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It doesn't matter for the exam. Whatever you are comfortable with. Assessors have to adapt to you, not the other way around. I wrote with single spacing in the exam and throughout my SACs even though our SACs had directions saying that double spacing was required which my teacher quickly told us to ignore.
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It doesn't matter for the exam. Whatever you are comfortable with. Assessors have to adapt to you, not the other way around. I wrote with single spacing in the exam and throughout my SACs even though our SACs had directions saying that double spacing was required which my teacher quickly told us to ignore.
I think I'll have to, I find I make lots of corrections and edits xD
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Yeah, in a way I think it's good to double space for that exact reason. If I started double spacing at the beginning of the year I may have grown comfortable with it. But I felt single spacing was the only way to go because it kept my writing flowing.
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Yeah, in a way I think it's good to double space for that exact reason. If I started double spacing at the beginning of the year I may have grown comfortable with it. But I felt single spacing was the only way to go because it kept my writing flowing.
Did you tend to always try and 'perfect' your work whilst you were writing it? As in, rereading over a paragraph you just wrote and fixing it up here and there?
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I think it was more about perfecting the work before it went on paper. I was (and still am) quite a slow writer because I liked to ponder ideas thoroughly before expressing them.
As far as proof-reading went, it was just the quick check at the end of my piece with minor checks if I felt the paragraph/sentence(s) might lack clarity.
For my exam though I went with the method of finishing one piece, moving on to the next and then revisiting the first piece after some time so that I could pick up more mistakes. Most of the mistakes I found were silly mistakes such as leaving out a word, having repeat words, etc.
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If this ends up working it will benefit us as we can see the more elite students essays also. Im not good in English so its going to help me out heaps.
P.s: Are you guys going to add Growing up Asian in Australia as one of the texts too?
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If this ends up working it will benefit us as we can see the more elite students essays also. Im not good in English so its going to help me out heaps.
P.s: Are you guys going to add Growing up Asian in Australia as one of the texts too?
Growing up Asian is for context; I + B
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This is such a good idea cos at my school i'm prety good at english, but my school isn't that great as a whole, so a lot of the time i feel like a regular sized fish in a small pond. It'll be great to be able to see how realy good students write. Also, I met the chick that worte growing up asian. She's realy nice.
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^ I met her too! Her parents own the Retravision at Springvale. ;D Pretty cool!
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This is fantastic idea, but I don't think I'd be able to commit to writing one essay a week! However, I'm unaware of how much essay writing preparation is required to aim/get those high English study scores :)
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Directing all discussion to the new subforum.
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Wasn't she only the editor? I guess we would refer to her as the writer of all the mini-stories tho.. I'm sure we won't be expected to memorise every single author T_T
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^ Yep she only compiled and 'edited' the book...
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Wasn't she only the editor? I guess we would refer to her as the writer of all the mini-stories tho.. I'm sure we won't be expected to memorise every single author T_T
She wrote Unpolished Gem, and mentioned the Retravision store in it numerous times haha
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Can you tell everyone in their threads to at least say what texts they're doing.
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Can you tell everyone in their threads to at least say what texts they're doing.
That would be helpful! Then we can see which people we could help the most cos they'll be doing texts we're familiar with. Also make sure to include your context + texts from that context :)
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Can you tell everyone in their threads to at least say what texts they're doing.
Yep - I edited the first posts of every thread in that forum yesterday - just waiting for everyone to re-edit it with their texts. :)
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Thank you :D
I went through like 5 of them and they were all like " I hope to improve and get 40+" but it was a bit frustrating at least knowing ==' lol.