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Uni Stuff => Universities - Victoria => Monash University => Topic started by: kenhung123 on February 22, 2011, 03:14:52 pm
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Ok, so which books do we really need to read...theres a bit too much info...
Also I bought lab coats and glasses, did I get jibbed?!
MOD EDIT: Fixed topic title typo.
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Also can some past student clarify the importance of recommended books?
And even though they say required, are there any that you personally found useless?
Is it possible to get a newer edition for a book because its quite likely you won't be able to sell the older?
Thanks in advance!
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Ok, so which books do we really need to read...theres a bit too much info...
Also I bought lab coats and glasses, did I get jibbed?!
You should ask your mentor for O-Week on their recommendations if they know what they're doing.
Need:
APF21 - buy from PSA, upstairs Sissons building. Expensive as fuck, but you'll use it 4-5 years. I don't know when a new edition will be out but the 21st was new in 2009. You can't buy it anywhere else. If you can't afford it buy a second hand one, doesn't matter if it's APF20 or APF19.
Your first year prac manuals which you should get for free this week. You print most yourselves in later years.
Good to have:
Brown: Introduction to Organic Chemistry
One of the physiology books
Fox is dumbed down a lot (I don't like it)
Silverthorn (good layout, easy to understand)
Vanders (more detailed explanations)
Get later this year:
AMH2011 - you won't need this right now. Just sometime down the track you'll realise you do. Updates every single year but you only need one for university and you buy a new one for pre-reg since that's the rules.
(online AMH available here: https://login.ezproxy.lib.monash.edu.au/login?qurl=http://amh.hcn.net.au/ )
Sinko, Martin's physical pharmacy - great book for DD, still using it in 3rd year.
Maybe, if you struggle and prefer references (not really needed):
Atkinson & Hilgard's Introduction to Psychology (short topic but your lecture notes will be shithouse)
Atkins: Chemical Principles (would put this in don't bother but depends on how you study)
Don't bother this year:
Aulton, Pharmaceutics: science of dosage form design (get this second year if struggling with DDD)
Don't bother:
Mosby's medical dictionary
Winfield - Pharmaceutical Practice
Solutions to any books (just borrow from library/photocopy)
Molecular Model Set
You got jibbed but it doesn't matter. I guess it pays the MPSA for their activities.
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Also when walking down the staircase from lectures (especially the one at the back of the building/the front of the lecture room) - shut your mouths and walk quietly. I say this because first years have the upper lecture room and it affects our Echo360 recordings.
*shakes angry fist*
Dr. White will also go outside and yell at you then come back in and make a disparaging remark about first years.
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im selling my pharmacy books if you are interested
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Ok, so which books do we really need to read...theres a bit too much info...
Also I bought lab coats and glasses, did I get jibbed?!
You should ask your mentor for O-Week on their recommendations if they know what they're doing.
Need:
APF21 - buy from PSA, upstairs Sissons building. Expensive as fuck, but you'll use it 4-5 years. I don't know when a new edition will be out but the 21st was new in 2009. You can't buy it anywhere else. If you can't afford it buy a second hand one, doesn't matter if it's APF20 or APF19.
Your first year prac manuals which you should get for free this week. You print most yourselves in later years.
Good to have:
Brown: Introduction to Organic Chemistry
One of the physiology books
Fox is dumbed down a lot (I don't like it)
Silverthorn (good layout, easy to understand)
Vanders (more detailed explanations)
Get later this year:
AMH2011 - you won't need this right now. Just sometime down the track you'll realise you do. Updates every single year but you only need one for university and you buy a new one for pre-reg since that's the rules.
(online AMH available here: https://login.ezproxy.lib.monash.edu.au/login?qurl=http://amh.hcn.net.au/ )
Sinko, Martin's physical pharmacy - great book for DD, still using it in 3rd year.
Maybe, if you struggle and prefer references (not really needed):
Atkinson & Hilgard's Introduction to Psychology (short topic but your lecture notes will be shithouse)
Atkins: Chemical Principles (would put this in don't bother but depends on how you study)
Don't bother this year:
Aulton, Pharmaceutics: science of dosage form design (get this second year if struggling with DDD)
Don't bother:
Mosby's medical dictionary
Winfield - Pharmaceutical Practice
Solutions to any books (just borrow from library/photocopy)
Molecular Model Set
You got jibbed but it doesn't matter. I guess it pays the MPSA for their activities.
Thanks a lot so helpful! Atm, we haven't been told anything about books yet and I expected to find out in O-week.
Btw, what clubs are actually worth joining? Many recommend VPSA for its 1 off fee for 4 years, true?
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yep vpsa is worth joining, uhhh the rest is up to your hobbies i guess... if u like really social events with other people outside campus i recommend asean but if u wanna stay within the campus peeps then mpsa = pretty good but expensive from memory...
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The parkville lecturers, tutors and other lab people say that you can't be late even 10mins in a lecture, tute or lab otherwise they can mark you absent/kick you out. Are they really that strict? I mean is everyone really on time considering we require 100% attendance? I am only asking because sometimes I might get stuck behind with public transport...
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yes theya re strict especially for pracs... and tutes which require u to submit work... unfortunately 90% of the cohort takes public transport so if they can get there on time y cant u.... i dont mean to be harsh but its just how things are in parkville.. haha lectures they dont care if u turn up or not.... and tutes actually take attendance
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I've been kicked out of a test in first year for being late.
Just go get a medical certificate.
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As in you can be late, get kicked out, go home and get a certificate then ask to resit?
@mystikal so do they care if you rock up late in a lecture?
Assuming you guys take public, how do you guys plan your weekly time table as in when to wake up, which train to catch etc? (As it changes weekly!)
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some lecturers care... some dont... but its like short lived thats y u enter at the back doors... for public transport just space it out urself... im pretty u know how long it takes u to get to parkville... for me it takes around and hr and abit so i take a 7:10 train to attend a 8:30 lecture.
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Can I ask how many 8.30 lectures you got in semester 1 and does it change in semester 2? (We got 3!!!)
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some lecturers care... some dont... but its like short lived thats y u enter at the back doors... for public transport just space it out urself... im pretty u know how long it takes u to get to parkville... for me it takes around and hr and abit so i take a 7:10 train to attend a 8:30 lecture.
lol Jalal makes a big deal out of it depending on his mood. If he's angry he'll kick you out, if he's in a giggly mood he'll make fun of you. There was someone who cracked the shits, but I can't remember her name...
Can I ask how many 8.30 lectures you got in semester 1 and does it change in semester 2? (We got 3!!!)
Doesn't really change much at all. Should be two or three 8:30am lectures, same in second year. Gets better in third year.
As in you can be late, get kicked out, go home and get a certificate then ask to resit?
Assuming you guys take public, how do you guys plan your weekly time table as in when to wake up, which train to catch etc? (As it changes weekly!)
You re-sit a different paper depending on unit. One on one with the head of unit and the lecturer (oral exam). I'd rather just do the normal one with everyone else to not delay marks.
I plan it the night before... I just minus 1.5 hours off travel->uni but end up leaving an hour before. I drive so public transport timetables aren't an issue. Freeway cops are though.
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haha do u mean elizabbeth yuriev???? she was a real b****.. 3rd year timetable is it really betta in what way haha just curious.
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haha do u mean elizabbeth yuriev???? she was a real b****.. 3rd year timetable is it really betta in what way haha just curious.
Yep her! Physicochem. Damn she's angry. After a while you pick up her accent too lol. She makes great lecture notes though.
Only one 8:30am in 3rd. :P
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Why was this thread deleted? It could be useful to other members.
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Why was this thread deleted? It could be useful to other members.
Exactly right - and it stops other people asking the same questions next year.
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When was it deleted?
Q:There are 4 prac manuals/guideline booklets, are those something we go through in class or its something that you must read in your own time and expected to know before pracs?
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When was it deleted?
Q:There are 4 prac manuals/guideline booklets, are those something we go through in class or its something that you must read in your own time and expected to know before pracs?
Either deleted by you or a mod.
They should/will explain this to you this week. Read the corresponding practical to see whether there are pre-lab questions. If so, obviously do them. If you read what the prac's on before going in you can speed things up a little.
For PHS there should sometimes be a "before attending the session..." as a header. It pretty much clearly explains what you have to do. If you want, attempt the exercises. We usually finished it before so we could leave early. No one wants to stay back. With the prescriptions, I usually pre-filled in everything at the back (handwritten batch and pres. records) - and sometimes looked up the drug to see what it's for (don't do this until you're sick of doing the records since you have to know the process for the exam). Keep your PHS book neat with notes so it's good to go for your practical exams (in both 1st and 2nd year).
I think physicochem or organic chem had online pre-labs you have to do on Blackboard before the prac. All I remember from physiology is the exercise practical and the rat dissection. That should require not much preparation at all.
But seriously, just read the manual - it should tell you straightforward what you have to do.
Also, 3 hours pracs are nothing. In second year you get certain 6 hours ones (oh god they were painful).
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Hmm that's strange, I didn't delete it as I got so many questions to ask lol
God I hate Brim, he basically told us to get everything including the modelling kit far out!
It was funny how 2 assignment topics were filled 10 minutes after the lecture while the lecturer was like "Please try to choose a topic before next week or the week after" like she needed to worry LOL
Are the books your recommend required for whole year or just semester 1?
I have a tutorial in Manning/Library, is it a formal tutorial where I need to do the questions and stuff?
Thanks a lot toothpaste, you've been very helpful :D
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Hmm that's strange, I didn't delete it as I got so many questions to ask lol
God I hate Brim, he basically told us to get everything including the modelling kit far out!
It was funny how 2 assignment topics were filled 10 minutes after the lecture while the lecturer was like "Please try to choose a topic before next week or the week after" like she needed to worry LOL
Are the books your recommend required for whole year or just semester 1?
I have a tutorial in Manning/Library, is it a formal tutorial where I need to do the questions and stuff?
Thanks a lot toothpaste, you've been very helpful :D
How can you hate Brim. You're lucky you have him instead of Chung. We had Chung and couldn't understand anything.
Yeah the topics ... everyone goes for the easy ones. If it's the same assignment I think I had Hepatitis A, B and C as a topic. You'll also get your oral presentation topic soon - if they still have that. Easy marks. My topic was headaches for that. Best topic is erectile dysfunction.
Ignore the modelling kit. Just ignore it.
Those books are for the whole year I guess. You should check them against your booklist. No, that Library tute is just to help you around the database. You don't do much besides click around.
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Do you think it is possible to borrow all the books you suggested are good from the library each time I need it or that is way too annoying? I really don't know how often I need it.
And if there is a newer edition than on the booklist of a book that I want to buy, is it a bad idea? (I was thinking maybe they would change edition next year and older edition cannot be sold?)
Btw, whats DD and DDD?
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Do you think it is possible to borrow all the books you suggested are good from the library each time I need it or that is way too annoying? I really don't know how often I need it.
And if there is a newer edition than on the booklist of a book that I want to buy, is it a bad idea? (I was thinking maybe they would change edition next year and older edition cannot be sold?)
Btw, whats DD and DDD?
With them books, some have restricted borrowing times (some are 2 hours) because they're in demand. More of them are overnight loans I think. To me that's annoying because I'm personally not at uni all the time. It depends if you're there a lot - if you are, it's manageable. You can also return them at Monash Clayton/Caulfield/Peninsula/Gippy etc.
Come exam time, you might not be able to score a copy ... gets hectic.
If there's a newer edition, get the newer one if you're buying it new.
They're some unit names made into acronyms. Drug Delivery ... Drug Delivery and Disposition. I currently do DDDD (Drug delivery, disposition and dynamics) haha.
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Ok after knowing more about the books at the library, I don't think I would want to borrow everything lol!
Is the AMH recommended to be new and latest edition by 1st year or as normal old editions are ok?
The APF 1 edition older is great because the website lists all the changes so we don't miss out on anything much I think
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Ok after knowing more about the books at the library, I don't think I would want to borrow everything lol!
Is the AMH recommended to be new and latest edition by 1st year or as normal old editions are ok?
The APF 1 edition older is great because the website lists all the changes so we don't miss out on anything much I think
AMH old editions are fine for uni. You only need up-to-date ones in the workplace (by policy). Same goes with the APF, which doesn't change that much anyway.
I've uploaded the APF21 PDF here:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/pgi5ofoshyg2ru8/APF21.pdf
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toothpaste, your amazingly awesome :D
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Do you think it is possible to borrow all the books you suggested are good from the library each time I need it or that is way too annoying? I really don't know how often I need it.
And if there is a newer edition than on the booklist of a book that I want to buy, is it a bad idea? (I was thinking maybe they would change edition next year and older edition cannot be sold?)
Btw, whats DD and DDD?
With them books, some have restricted borrowing times (some are 2 hours) because they're in demand. More of them are overnight loans I think. To me that's annoying because I'm personally not at uni all the time. It depends if you're there a lot - if you are, it's manageable. You can also return them at Monash Clayton/Caulfield/Peninsula/Gippy etc.
Come exam time, you might not be able to score a copy ... gets hectic.
If there's a newer edition, get the newer one if you're buying it new.
They're some unit names made into acronyms. Drug Delivery ... Drug Delivery and Disposition. I currently do DDDD (Drug delivery, disposition and dynamics) haha.
speaking of acronyms PHS does not equal pharmacy health and society... PHS = pretty hard s*** =P
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Toothpaste, can we get away with using just the PDF of APF? Can you tell me what we use it for anyway? (If we even use it often in 1st year)
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u use it pretty often in PHS classes... to make stuff in pracs (basically the apf is ur cook book) and to answer prac questions and u definately need it for the prac exam....
ive seen ppl use the ebook version of it... but i rkn its not as fast as flicking thru the book itself....plus its more convenient in a prac session coz u wudnt need to bring ur laptop
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u use it pretty often in PHS classes... to make stuff in pracs (basically the apf is ur cook book) and to answer prac questions and u definately need it for the prac exam....
ive seen ppl use the ebook version of it... but i rkn its not as fast as flicking thru the book itself....plus its more convenient in a prac session coz u wudnt need to bring ur laptop
^Cook book, hells yeah.
Toothpaste, can we get away with using just the PDF of APF? Can you tell me what we use it for anyway? (If we even use it often in 1st year)
All the PHS type units from 1st year onwards will need the APF. You need the formulas in it for extemporaneous dispensing, which of course is in your PHS practical exam. The practical exam is open book so you can bring in the hardcopy APF or just use a laptop. I use my laptop in those exams (ctrl+F is handy) but bring in my copy anyway in case a zombie apocalypse occurs. There are copies in the lab but they're shared so it's annoying to shotgun.
It also works as a handy guide to which labels goes on what when you're not sure. You'll start using the counselling guides and physicochemical data in it down the track. In a pharmacy workplace I've only yet opened the APF to look at pregnancy info of drugs and some OTC guides. But yes, you'll be using it for sure.
The AMH is also very useful, but you can just log into the database through Monash. However, the 2011 version is a very pretty blue colour :P. Regardless of putting it off or not, you'll need to buy a brand new AMH during the year you're an intern (2015).
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Hmm ok I guess I will buy both then. Btw the idea to use Ctrl+F in an exam sounds great (if time is an issue)
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Stupid question: If you get 100% in 1st attemp for pre lab quiz (it has been submitted and can be seen in 'view submissions') do I need to complete another 2 more times to fully complete the quiz?
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no lol
i got 75% first time then 100 XD
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nah, the extra two times is if you need to pass that 75% mark ( i think)
get prepared for helen irving.....haha you'll love her
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Can you past 1st year students give me some general advice on how to do well in assignments and exams?
Like as in how to study and when to start?
Especially for PHS, I mean do we just memorise all the key points given in the lecture?
Also are all exams open book? Are you pressed against time like in VCE?
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Can you past 1st year students give me some general advice on how to do well in assignments and exams?
Like as in how to study and when to start?
Especially for PHS, I mean do we just memorise all the key points given in the lecture?
Also are all exams open book? Are you pressed against time like in VCE?
Err I crammed all my exams and I'm pretty sure I've left most of my exams early. Any supposedly 'good' advice I give would be against what I've done in the past :P.
When to start study? .... if you want awesome marks, you could start now. If you want to just pass, chillax a few more weeks then freak out. Really though man, not a good question because it's each to their own. Just study how you did in VCE, you got into the course didn't you... means you're doing it right already. You'll probably do better that way rather than spontaneously mimicking someone else's way of studying.
Written exams are not open book. Some of your practical exams may be. It's all in your unit outlines, you should read it. There's more time than in the VCE - well that's what I think. Sometimes you might get a long paper, sometimes you won't. I think PHS had 100 MCQ and that actually took a while to do.
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PHS is a drain, half the time im sitting there not soaking up any info given (i really dont know what to understand in that unit), there's really no active learning for the unit (at least for lectures anyway)
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PHS is a drain, half the time im sitting there not soaking up any info given (i really dont know what to understand in that unit), there's really no active learning for the unit (at least for lectures anyway)
There's a lot to memorise in that one, due to a wide range of topics they throw at you (and you wouldn't have come across them in high school). PHS II is much better if that gives you some future confidence - most of it is an introduction to psychology and it's structured in a way you'd be able to pick topics out and study them.
Do your "Medicines in Profile" and learn them. [Wait, do you have that still? ... I could actually give you mine if you need]. Know your basic latin short hand. Louis Roller's lecture notes are the worst (even though he's awesome), don't even bother studying from them - go get a textbook. I think you have simple calculations you have to learn. Know your labels, your prescriptions and how to read them/error spotting... Can't remember if you need to remember ancillary labels... I think they also introduce you to the professional ethics stuff, and pharmacy organisations. There was also the poisons' schedule (S2, S3, S8... etc) and you should know which are which; e.g. S3 is 'pharmacist only medicines' and you don't need a script but they can only be supplied by a pharmacy (e.g. Panadeine - paracetamol with codeine), S8 are controlled drugs such as Endone (generic name oxycodone) and they need to be carefully dispensed so that they're not abused (in a real life pharmacy you have to write them off in a special book). There should be overviews, learning objectives or aims near the start of each lecture. Consider going through those.
... and yeah I agree, most lectures are boring lol. Depends who you get really. D. Malone, Safeera, Mallanack ... they're some of the good ones.
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PHS is a drain, half the time im sitting there not soaking up any info given (i really dont know what to understand in that unit), there's really no active learning for the unit (at least for lectures anyway)
i rkn... for phs... u shud just wag the lectures and just study the notes... coz the lecturers dont add anything extra to the notes and basically all u need to know are in the lecture notes besides the meds in profile...
other subjects...is prob best u turn up coz like u cant see the guys point... especially for physiology
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thanks for that, yeah our year still has MIPS, so far we've done paracetamol and amoxycillin
can u PM/send me ur MIPS toothpaste if its not a hassle? :) (i wont cheat, just to check over my one lolz)
and yea i skipped 1 lecture so far (it was organic chem) and i really regret it, cos we were learning molecular orbital hybridisation for the first time, so yeah i was pretty confused, but now i understand it.
oh btw atm we have david kong as our lecturer. hes pretty funny but his jokes get dry quick.
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Thanks for the input guys!
So medicines in profile will actually be useful for the exam as they would ask specific questions related to the listed medicines?
And for other subjects do I need to study the textbook even if I understand the lecture notes, is it too excessive?
Yea, it would be awesome if you can upload yours toothpaste :P
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basically for MIPS, just learn everything besides dosage (as in the range... coz they dont ask you that)....
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Anyways, for assignments are they lenient, giving full marks for a decent effort or it must be top notch to receive full marks?
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depends... they are willing to give full marks ... however u have to work for it... so correct referencing(using alot of references, pictures etc..) this is for physiology btw....
for phs = easier to score high no need for pictures just correct referencing and covering the main content well.
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Yea for PHS as I am doing that now. I mean, looking at the task I'm just like its pretty direct, its hard to say this student deserves a 9 instead of a 10 because all you need to follow the MMP for a patient. (Assuming correct referencing+grammar) Anyway, does David Kong need us to use in text referencing or just a list at the end?
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Just found my MIPs stuff I said I'd be able to share. The first half is handwritten so I'll upload it when I have time. Shitload of assessments (and mid-year tests) playing my my sanity at the present time. Shall get back to you all soon.
Yea for PHS as I am doing that now. I mean, looking at the task I'm just like its pretty direct, its hard to say this student deserves a 9 instead of a 10 because all you need to follow the MMP for a patient. (Assuming correct referencing+grammar) Anyway, does David Kong need us to use in text referencing or just a list at the end?
In regards to the PHS essay on the management pathway, use Vancouver referencing (as with everything else). Numbers inside your text as superscript corresponding to a list at the very end.