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Title: luken93's Methods/Spesh Question thread...
Post by: luken93 on February 24, 2011, 07:06:46 pm
Hey guys, I thought I may as well make my own thread, but I'll have both Spesh + Methods in the one thread to save the clutter...

Anyways, first question:




The simultaneous linear equations

(1)...
(2)...

Have No Solution for.....
Title: Re: luken93's Methods/Spesh Question thread...
Post by: francis8nho on February 24, 2011, 07:18:27 pm
Use matrices
For no solution det=0
(m-2)(m-3)-2*3=0
Simplify to get m= 0 and m = 5
Title: Re: luken93's Methods/Spesh Question thread...
Post by: luken93 on February 24, 2011, 07:26:26 pm
That's what I got, however the answers are:

A. R \ {0,5}
B. R \ {0}
C. R\ {6}
D. m = 5
E. m = 0

I would've said A, but apparently not!
Title: Re: luken93's Methods/Spesh Question thread...
Post by: francis8nho on February 24, 2011, 07:40:09 pm
you mean the anwer is m=0?
I just tried again using CAS for m=5, x=2-y
for m=0, yes there is no solutions
Title: Re: luken93's Methods/Spesh Question thread...
Post by: sajib_mostofa on February 24, 2011, 07:47:07 pm
You get no solutions when both lines have different equations but the same gradient. So sub in the value for m that fits that description and you should get the answer, which is m=0 in this case.
Title: Re: luken93's Methods/Spesh Question thread...
Post by: francis8nho on February 24, 2011, 07:52:32 pm
sajib, your method is quicker
Title: Re: luken93's Methods/Spesh Question thread...
Post by: sajib_mostofa on February 24, 2011, 08:06:18 pm
Helps when you've finished VCE  :P
Title: Re: luken93's Methods/Spesh Question thread...
Post by: luken93 on February 24, 2011, 08:21:21 pm
You get no solutions when both lines have different equations but the same gradient. So sub in the value for m that fits that description and you should get the answer, which is m=0 in this case.
So what was your actual method there? I rearranged them to make a linear y = equation, and then let both the gradients equal eachother which gave m = 0 and 5?
Title: Re: luken93's Methods/Spesh Question thread...
Post by: sajib_mostofa on February 24, 2011, 08:31:05 pm
Now that you've found the values of m, you have to verify which one gives no solutions. If you sub in into both equations, you get:




By rearranging the equations to make y the subject, you can see that both equations have the same gradients but different equations, so they are parrallel lines. Hence they give no solution. However, if we sub in , you get these two equations:




When simplified, these two equations are essentially indicate the same line, hence there is infinite no. of solutions. Therefore is your only answer.
Title: Re: luken93's Methods/Spesh Question thread...
Post by: luken93 on February 24, 2011, 08:35:08 pm
Aaahh, thanks for that
Title: Re: luken93's Methods/Spesh Question thread...
Post by: sajib_mostofa on February 24, 2011, 08:39:03 pm
Aaahh, thanks for that

Whenever you get these type of questions where you have to determine unique, infinite, no solutions etc, the important thing is to always verify your answers or its very easy to make a mistake. Unless you only get the one answer of course.
Title: Re: luken93's Methods/Spesh Question thread...
Post by: luken93 on April 14, 2011, 03:56:36 pm
SPESH Q
Looking for a nice solution to this, as any of mine get very messy :P

Let and
Express in modulus - Argument form:
Title: Re: luken93's Methods/Spesh Question thread...
Post by: brightsky on April 14, 2011, 04:36:55 pm
Modulus is trivial.
For argument, the complex number is in the 4th quadrant.
So tan(x) = (1/cos(t))/(1/sin(t)) = sin(t)/cos(t) = tan(t), pi/2 < t < pi
x = arctan(tan(t)) = t, pi/2 < t < pi
But since x is in the 4th quadrant, then we have 0 < x < -pi/2.
Title: Re: luken93's Methods/Spesh Question thread...
Post by: luken93 on April 14, 2011, 04:57:16 pm
Thanks, I ended up getting it anyway. Essentials has a tendency to keep changing r cis (x) to -r cis (x - pi), but once you get used to it it's not so bad...
Title: Re: luken93's Methods/Spesh Question thread...
Post by: Andiio on April 14, 2011, 09:25:51 pm
Is modulus-argument form just polar form? O_O
Title: Re: luken93's Methods/Spesh Question thread...
Post by: luken93 on April 14, 2011, 09:59:33 pm
Is modulus-argument form just polar form? O_O
Yeah, |z|cis(Arg)

Have a go if you want, the answer is retarded.
Title: Re: luken93's Methods/Spesh Question thread...
Post by: evaever on April 14, 2011, 10:35:43 pm
Modulus is trivial.
For argument, the complex number is in the 4th quadrant.
So tan(x) = (1/cos(t))/(1/sin(t)) = sin(t)/cos(t) = tan(t), pi/2 < t < pi
x = arctan(tan(t)) = t, pi/2 < t < pi
But since x is in the 4th quadrant, then we have 0 < x < -pi/2.

is 0 < neg?
is the answer -2cosec(2x) cis(x-pi)?
Title: Re: luken93's Methods/Spesh Question thread...
Post by: luken93 on April 14, 2011, 10:45:31 pm
Close, everything is correct except cosec. Think about double angle angle formulas
Title: Re: luken93's Methods/Spesh Question thread...
Post by: evaever on April 14, 2011, 10:53:45 pm
i left out the 2
Title: Re: luken93's Methods/Spesh Question thread...
Post by: luken93 on April 14, 2011, 11:22:46 pm
The answer works out to be:















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That was my working to get to the answer above (apparently the correct answer), is yours any quicker/simpler?
Title: Re: luken93's Methods/Spesh Question thread...
Post by: evaever on April 15, 2011, 12:20:09 am
The answer works out to be:















------






That was my working to get to the answer above (apparently the correct answer), is yours any quicker/simpler?
is wrong because is a negative value.
Title: Re: luken93's Methods/Spesh Question thread...
Post by: luken93 on April 15, 2011, 09:05:49 am
So how'd you get to the (theta - pi) then? I understand what you mean, but that was the only way I could get to it...

Also, if you start with addressing the domain first, then wouldn't you change the 1/sin, because the Re(z) is -ve in the 2nd quadrant. Even though, it'd get cancelled out when squaring it.
Title: Re: luken93's Methods/Spesh Question thread...
Post by: brightsky on April 15, 2011, 10:28:49 am








But since , then

So so needs a negative in front of it, which means:



So and
Title: Re: luken93's Methods/Spesh Question thread...
Post by: evaever on April 15, 2011, 10:49:10 am
So how'd you get to the (theta - pi) then? I understand what you mean, but that was the only way I could get to it...

Also, if you start with addressing the domain first, then wouldn't you change the 1/sin, because the Re(z) is -ve in the 2nd quadrant. Even though, it'd get cancelled out when squaring it.
you have confused arg of z with
Title: Re: luken93's Methods/Spesh Question thread...
Post by: luken93 on April 15, 2011, 12:44:41 pm








But since , then

So so needs a negative in front of it, which means:



So and
Ok, that's making more sense, but I feel I'm missing something fundamental here...
For the step I bolded above, I understand that cosec(x) is negative for pi/2 -> pi, but why do you NEED to put a negative in front of the cis because of it? Am I thinking right that the negative will make the point be in the forth quadrant rather than the second, hence putting a negative cis will return it back to the 2nd quadrant? I only made this assumption through working through some problems, I haven't actually seen a written form that explains how/why this happens?
Title: Re: luken93's Methods/Spesh Question thread...
Post by: brightsky on April 15, 2011, 02:22:42 pm
The cis(t) 'needs' a negative in front of it because csc(t) is negative in the given domain. But the modulus has to be positive and so only -2csc(2t) would turn it positive. But z = 2csc(2t)cis(t), so we need to put a "negative sign" in front of the cis, just so that the negatives cancel out.
So z = -2csc(2t) * -cis(t) = 2csc(2t)cis(t)
Using this method, you don't need to worry about quadrants. It's all methodical.
Title: Re: luken93's Methods/Spesh Question thread...
Post by: luken93 on May 03, 2011, 06:52:20 pm
Okay, another question (Spesh)

So we had our SAC the other day, and this is still bugging me. It was an Analysis SAC on electrical circuits, and we were given the voltage to be:
V(t) = 4sin(wt)
and the Current given was along the lines of:
I(t) = 3.5sin(wt - pi)

From there, we were given that Power = Voltage x Current

Finally, it was a show that question which asked us to find the power using the 2 functions above. However, I feel that I musty have read it wrong, as the "show that" equalled something along the lines of;
P(t) = 7sin(2wt - pi) - 7

Now please, someone give me the satisfaction that I've read it incorrectly, because as far as I know you can't multiply the two together as is, but furthermore a vertical translation?
Title: Re: luken93's Methods/Spesh Question thread...
Post by: Mao on May 04, 2011, 02:38:32 am
You can use the product-to-sum identity

Title: Re: luken93's Methods/Spesh Question thread...
Post by: luken93 on May 04, 2011, 07:25:37 am
yeah, but how the hell would you get a vertical translation?
Title: Re: luken93's Methods/Spesh Question thread...
Post by: Mao on May 04, 2011, 09:25:11 am
apply that formula. One of the terms becomes a constant term.

Or even better, notice that sin(wt-pi)=-sin(wt), so P=-14sin2(wt), use double angle formula of cos to get it to the required form.
Title: Re: luken93's Methods/Spesh Question thread...
Post by: luken93 on May 04, 2011, 11:36:47 am
Yeah it turned out to be assessing double angle formulas, was fairly easy after that. Thanks anyway Mao!
Title: Re: luken93's Methods/Spesh Question thread...
Post by: luken93 on May 20, 2011, 07:14:07 pm
Is there any "quick" way of doing this question? It's not that hard, but my teacher is sure that there is an easier way haha



My method was as follows:



OR



But both seem very tiresome methods :P

Any ideas?

Title: Re: luken93's Methods/Spesh Question thread...
Post by: syn14 on May 20, 2011, 07:27:56 pm
Sorry if this is hard to follow.

Let u = e^x

du/dx = e^x

Integrand becomes u/(u+1) as you divide du/dx in substitution to get e^x in the numerator which becomes u and the denominator becomes u+1 from direct substitution of u. Integrate u/(u+1) which is u–ln|u+1| which is e^x – ln |e^x+1|.
Title: Re: luken93's Methods/Spesh Question thread...
Post by: yawho on May 20, 2011, 07:53:15 pm
Let u = e^x+1

du/dx = e^x

int[2,e+1] (u+1)/u du = int[2,e+1] (1+1/u) du = [u+lnu] 2,e+1 = e+1+ln(e+1) - 2-ln2 =e-1+ln((e+1)/2)
Title: Re: luken93's Methods/Spesh Question thread...
Post by: luken93 on June 23, 2011, 04:56:06 pm
Hey again guys;

I was doing the 2010 VCAA Methods Exam, and another one of these "Find the minimum number of days/hours needed to get the Pr(X) > 0.9"

I understand the theory, that's not the problem. My problem is, how do you do it on the calc?

If I know that Pr(X = 0) + Pr(X = 1) <0.1, and the Pr(Success) = 0.2, how do I use solve on the calc for binomial distribution?

I did solve(0.8^n + nCr(n,1) x (0.2) x (0.8)^(n-1) < 0.1, n) on my Ti89, however this doesn't yield anything.

Also tried solve(BinomCdf(n, 0.2, 0, 1) < 0.1, n) but this doesn't give anything either.

Am I inputting it in the right way? I haven't been taught this in class, hence my question.
Title: Re: luken93's Methods/Spesh Question thread...
Post by: Mao on June 25, 2011, 01:31:19 am
Your problem is that the solve function requires everything to be a floating point number. The solve function would be substituting n=1.578290394 and crazy shit like that into your equation, which would choke because it requires n to be an integer. (nCr is only defined for integer values of n).

Try entering that expression into the y-editor, and check out the 'table' functionality (around F5 iirc). This generates a list of values for various n, which you can manually check to find when it first drops below 0.1.
Title: Re: luken93's Methods/Spesh Question thread...
Post by: luken93 on July 14, 2011, 12:07:03 pm
In a lift that is accelerating downwards at 1 m/s^2, a spring balance shows the apparent
weight of the body to be 2.5 kg wt. What would be the reading if the lift was:
a) at rest?
b) accelerating upwards at 2 m/s^2?

I kinda managed to get a), but I'm lost as to what to use for b)...

If someone would be as kind to do a diagram as well that'd be great, my physics is pretty rusty haha
Title: Re: luken93's Methods/Spesh Question thread...
Post by: moekamo on July 14, 2011, 12:26:14 pm
so for a i got the mass to be 2.78 kg and the normal force if at rest to be 2.78 kg wt or 27.28 N.

Now in part b, in the attached pic, by adding the forces and equating to the net force, we get N-mg=ma=2m, so N=m(g+2) = 32.804N = 3.35 kg wt. This is what the scale would read.

also i don't know why the question is using kg wt, ive never seen it in VCAA exams, the SI unit is newtons and you should probably stick with that.
Title: Re: luken93's Methods/Spesh Question thread...
Post by: luken93 on July 14, 2011, 12:39:25 pm
Aha so you do use the answer from part a), that makes more sense.

As for the units, this is from essentials so who knows, but the majority are in this kg wt form...

And just to check, mass is always going to be constant, it's just the acceleration that changes the apparent weight, where weight = mg yes?

And kg wt * 9.8 = N?

Title: Re: luken93's Methods/Spesh Question thread...
Post by: xZero on July 14, 2011, 12:48:57 pm
have you seen the net force formulae f=ma? If you convert this formulae to units it gives N = ms^-2 * kg wt, since 9.8 is acceleration due to gravity, kg wt * 9.8 = N
Title: Re: luken93's Methods/Spesh Question thread...
Post by: luken93 on July 14, 2011, 01:14:16 pm
have you seen the net force formulae f=ma? If you convert this formulae to units it gives N = ms^-2 * kg wt, since 9.8 is acceleration due to gravity, kg wt * 9.8 = N
Haha yeah I know F=ma, just checking I was doing everything right :P
Title: Re: luken93's Methods/Spesh Question thread...
Post by: abeybaby on July 15, 2011, 12:42:37 am
Is modulus-argument form just polar form? O_O

Yes it is:
r.cis(theta) is polar form, where r is the modulus and theta is the argument, hence, modulus-argument form
Title: Re: luken93's Methods/Spesh Question thread...
Post by: luken93 on August 04, 2011, 06:56:25 pm
Can someone explain this question to me? I thought I had it covered, but I asked my physics/spesh teacher and he got the wrong answer...

Cheers
Title: Re: luken93's Methods/Spesh Question thread...
Post by: tony3272 on August 04, 2011, 07:09:57 pm
Is the answer D?
Title: Re: luken93's Methods/Spesh Question thread...
Post by: moekamo on August 04, 2011, 07:13:12 pm
ok so obviously we have gravity on the larger mass, Mg acting down. we also have the force due to gravity from the upper mass acting down, which is mg.

There is a reaction force from the bottom block acting on the upper block(R1), so by newtons 3rd law a force of the same magnitude acts on the lower block going down, also R1

Finally we have the reaction force from the ground acting on the lower block acting upwards, which is R2.

Therefore diagram C is correct with R1, mg, Mg acting down and R2 acting upwards.
Title: Re: luken93's Methods/Spesh Question thread...
Post by: luken93 on August 04, 2011, 07:33:46 pm
Ok this is seriously stupid.

I, my teacher, and moekamo said C. Incorrect.
Checkpoints said E. Incorrect.

tony, you are correct. Please explain!
Title: Re: luken93's Methods/Spesh Question thread...
Post by: b^3 on August 04, 2011, 07:39:29 pm
Just by looking at the answer being D. wouldn't it be that the forces acting down is the weight of both the masses, but the reaction of the smaller mass is equal to the weight of the smaller mass, hence the forces acting down is R1+Mg. Then forces actign upwards is just the reaction of the larger mass?

Does that make any sense?
Title: Re: luken93's Methods/Spesh Question thread...
Post by: tony3272 on August 04, 2011, 07:45:37 pm
The question says that the upwards force acting on the smaller block is R1. Therefore by Newton's third law this is also acting downward on the larger block. But as the only downwards force acting on the blocks is gravity, it must be concluded that the downwards force of the smaller block due to gravity, mg, is the equal and opposite of R1. So essentially including this force as the downwards arrow actually overstates the downwards force acting on the larger block.

That's basically how i saw it, it that makes any sense.

Title: Re: luken93's Methods/Spesh Question thread...
Post by: luken93 on August 04, 2011, 09:24:34 pm
Yep righteo, so since the smaller block has an Fnet = 0, the mg force is equal to the R1 force?

Title: Re: luken93's Methods/Spesh Question thread...
Post by: tony3272 on August 04, 2011, 09:32:59 pm
Yeah pretty much.