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Uni Stuff => Universities - Victoria => University of Melbourne => Topic started by: livelikeuwanna on August 04, 2008, 05:56:05 pm
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I was just wondering, how hard is the maths in Bcommerce at Melbourne uni?
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It's statistics.
It isn't too hard (in my opinion). One thing I should point out is that many other fields require you to have at least some rudimentary understanding of statistics, so if you're thinking about Commerce versus Psychology, for example, bear in mind the maths won't be too different.
There is some simple maths in economics, but other than the first two introductory compulsory subjects on economics, you don't have to continue (and if you do, that's where most of the maths starts to come in)
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I'm doing further maths but I wanna get into commerce some how(is transferring possible?).
I'm concerned about whether I'd be able to transfer and what the content is like.
I've heard the maths in Bcomm @ Melb is a real killer.
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If you want to do Commerce at The University of Melbourne, heres one way you can do it
1) Enroll in Bachelor of Arts at Melbourne and transfer 2nd year (use your breadth subjects in your 1st year to take subjects from the Commerce faculty BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY TAKE THE MATHS METHODS EQUIVALENT SUBJECT)
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Okay. Cool. Thanks and congrats on your A+ :)
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You can also try a summer bridging course, as suggested by Eriny. Find some place where you can spend your summer to do the Methods equivalent. However, I'm not sure if UoM would set up a conditional offer for you.
You could try a transfer in the middle of the year, that sounds better than wasting a year in Arts.
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Can you do CSP transfers midyear at UoM?
I thought you could only transfer to full-fee
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If you want to do Commerce at The University of Melbourne, heres one way you can do it
1) Enroll in Bachelor of Arts at Melbourne and transfer 2nd year (use your breadth subjects in your 1st year to take subjects from the Commerce faculty BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY TAKE THE MATHS METHODS EQUIVALENT SUBJECT)
Yeah, that is a good way to get into BCom @ UoM if u cant get the enter or haven't done methods.
I have also thought about taking this path (if i dont get the enter i need).
I'm quite sure that the compulsory subjects for BCom can be done in Bachelor of Arts if u choose to major in economics. But to do some of them, you need to have done math methods or equivalent.
http://www.ba.unimelb.edu.au/ugrad/fields/Economics.html
And i think there is only one compulsory artsy subject per semester. ;D
Also, if you can get the grade average...u can probably transfer after the first semester :)
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WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW ROXIII.... you seem to know what your talking about. Can you explain 2 me a bit more? =S
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Are there prereq's for breadth studies?
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WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW ROXIII.... you seem to know what your talking about. Can you explain 2 me a bit more? =S
Yeah, i've spent like an hour or so checking this up LOL :P
Hmm, well...i have planned what i will do if i don't get into commerce :)
I will do bachelor of arts...and take these 4 subjects in the first semester.
100-188 Philosophy, Politics and Economics (Interdisciplinary Foundation Subject)
316-130 Quantitative Methods
316-102 Introductory Microeconomics (breadth studies)
732-103 Principles of Business Law
and then transfer into BCom after first semester...or asap! LoL
But hopefully i can get straight into BCom and not worry about all this :P
Interdisciplinary Foundation Subjects are like compulsory subjects for the arts course.
In the first year, you will be required to select two from the list of eight, (so for each semester, u will have to choose one out of four from the list)
http://www.ba.unimelb.edu.au/ugrad/interdisciplinary-foundation/
I'm pretty sure Quant methods will be counted as part of the arts course if you do a major in commerce.
On the course handbook it is stated that 'The Faculty of Law offers one first-year subject in business law which may be taken as part of the Bachelor of Arts degree.' <-- it is referring to the business law subject i mentioned.
This subject may be useful for BCom if you choose to major in accounting because to to major in accounting, you will need to do a sequence of law subjects (which would also count as your breadth subject when u are doing BCom)
and then finally...Introductory Microeconomics would be your breadth subject.
I do need to check up on how many non-Arts approved subjects can be taken in your degree tho :(
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Are there prereq's for breadth studies?
That completely depends on which subject you choose to do as breadth.
And then the subjects that are available to you as breadth depend on which course you are doing.
What did you want to major in if you do commerce?
And see the above for subjects i said i would do if i end up taking the arts path...
you can probably do that too, but instead of quantitive methods (it needs math methods as a prereq :P)
you can do a subject that is equivalent to methods in the first semester, and then take quantitive methods in the second semester.
But as i said before...i am still not entirely sure if this is possible yet.
I will need to check up how many non artsy subjects are allowed...
coz this seems almost too good to be true! LoL
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Are there prereq's for breadth studies?
they certainly do because they are a subject itself (even though they are breadth) so you need the prerequisites to be able to do the subjects. Though some subjects allow you to take prerequisite subjects alongside the subject you want to take.
so if it allows, then you may be able to do "620-173 Introduction to Mathematics" with intro micro or QM as both of these are core commerce subjects and requires 630-173/methods
Can you do CSP transfers midyear at UoM?
I thought you could only transfer to full-fee
yes melb uni does have CSP mid year intakes for both internal and external transfers.
you can do a subject that is equivalent to methods in the first semester, and then take quantitive methods in the second semester.
620-173 Introduction to Mathematics = "This subject is equivalent for pre-requisite purposes to VCE Mathematical Methods 3/4.
Students with a score of 25 or more in VCE Mathematical Methods 3/4 will normally not be permitted to enrol in this subject."
but then it requires unit 1&2 methods... i hope you've done that or else im not too sure what you can do.
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Can you do CSP transfers midyear at UoM?
yes
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I was just wondering, how hard is the maths in Bcommerce at Melbourne uni?
This is the textbook that is used for the compulsory quantitative subjects for the BCom at UoM: http://nla.gov.au/anbd.bib-an000040492165
check it out
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is QM or intro micro counted as a core arts subject if you want to major in economics? because if it is then you will be able to do intro to maths as your breadth and the course advisor should let you do intro maths together with intro micro because the maths in intro micro is not that hard (not even maths based) and you would be completing a prerequisite at the same time.
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Yeah, as far as most disciplines go (except adv. fin and act.) it's only stats. Not a biggy.
Don't do Arts if you don't like it, even if you wanted to transfer [heck I thought of that....] because you will not achieve a high average and it'll diminish your transferring opportunities.
:)
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Yeah, as far as most disciplines go (except adv. fin and act.) it's only stats. Not a biggy.
Don't do Arts if you don't like it, even if you wanted to transfer [heck I thought of that....] because you will not achieve a high average and it'll diminish your transferring opportunities.
:)
yeh, but as Roxii said, you only have to do one subject which at all resembles an "arts" subject. Course, it would depend on how easy it is to transfer, which i'm not sure of
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Yeah, as far as most disciplines go (except adv. fin and act.) it's only stats. Not a biggy.
Don't do Arts if you don't like it, even if you wanted to transfer [heck I thought of that....] because you will not achieve a high average and it'll diminish your transferring opportunities.
:)
yeh, but as Roxii said, you only have to do one subject which at all resembles an "arts" subject. Course, it would depend on how easy it is to transfer, which i'm not sure of
I'm not 100% sure on the one "arts" subject thing yet :(
From what i've read on the course & subject handbook, this seems to be the case...
although it does say...
'There are restrictions as to how many non-Arts approved subjects can be taken in your degree. For details, see: link to Arts page policy on non-Arts approved subjects'
Edit.
ok, i've found the policy page...
4.2.4. Arts-approved subject requirement
The BA degree requires that you complete a minimum number of points in arts-approved subjects.
All of the subjects offered by Schools within the Faculty of Arts are arts-approved. However, some areas of study which may be taken in the BA are taught by other faculties within the University or other institutions. Only some of these subjects are arts-approved.
First year
At least 50 points of arts-approved subjects
Hmm, so it seems like you may need to do 2 artsy subjects per semester....
I'm sorry if i confused anyone. I am quite confused myself now LoL :(
So yeah, i guess the best thing to do would be to maybe go to UoM open day and ask :)
If anyone wants to try reading and understanding the course requirements, here are a couple of links.
http://www.unimelb.edu.au/HB/facs/ARTS-S10419.html#S13758
https://app.portal.unimelb.edu.au/CSCApplication/view/2008/105-AA
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Getting 24 in methods would affect my ability to take up your proposed method of entry, wouldn't it Roxii? Cause some of the Com subjects that can be taken in 1st year require methods yeh?
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Getting 24 in methods would affect my ability to take up your proposed method of entry, wouldn't it Roxii? Cause some of the Com subjects that can be taken in 1st year require methods yeh?
Yeah, 316-130 Quantitative Methods (compulsory for BCom) requires you to have done VCE Methods and got a SS of 25 or above.
As nak said...there is a subject equivalent to vce methods which will satisfy the prerequisite requirement of Quantitive methods.
620-173 Introduction to Mathematics = "This subject is equivalent for pre-requisite purposes to VCE Mathematical Methods 3/4.
So if you want to take this path...
You can maybe do...
620-173 Introduction to Mathematics
316-102 Introductory Microeconomics (compulsory BCom subject)
and then one or two arts subjects...depending on the arts approved subject requirements, which i am not completely sure about atm :(
But if you are lucky, and you only need to do one 'arts' subject, then you may take another commerce subject! yay :)
And then, after first semester...TRANSFER TO BCOM~!!! :D
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Wow that sounds cool. But the decision is soo hard and risky :S
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Wow that sounds cool. But the decision is soo hard and risky :S
I agree~!!
I seriously dunno if i should put Arts @ UoM for my second pref or not :(
I'm just worried i may get stuck in the Arts course!! ahhhh
Hmm, i guess we should also find out what grade average we need to get...to be allowed to transfer from Arts to Commerce.
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I agree with everything you said above.
No offense to Arts but its just not the course I would ever want to do. Commerce 4 me (L)
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LOLS yepppp :P
COMMERCE FTW~!!!! yayyyyyy :smitten:
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I wonder how hard it would be to transfer into commerce from arts.
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I wonder how hard it would be to transfer into commerce from arts.
shouldn't be that hard if u get good grades
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I wonder how hard it would be to transfer into commerce from arts.
shouldn't be that hard if u get good grades
Oh man, I've heard arts is easy to pass but hard to get good grades.
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Hey it says on the melbourne uni website that it "will not be generally be possible to enter a New Generation degree with credit".
:'(
So would this mean that transferring into commerce at melb uni from another university is out of the question?
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Oh man, I've heard arts is easy to pass but hard to get good grades.
depends on the subject
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Hey it says on the melbourne uni website that it "will not be generally be possible to enter a New Generation degree with credit".
:'(
So would this mean that transferring into commerce at melb uni from another university is out of the question?
You can transfer, but with NO credit. You have to start from sctach again
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Hey it says on the melbourne uni website that it "will not be generally be possible to enter a New Generation degree with credit".
:'(
So would this mean that transferring into commerce at melb uni from another university is out of the question?
You can transfer, but with NO credit. You have to start from sctach again
Ohhhh!
*smacks self on forehead*
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Hey it says on the melbourne uni website that it "will not be generally be possible to enter a New Generation degree with credit".
:'(
So would this mean that transferring into commerce at melb uni from another university is out of the question?
You can transfer, but with NO credit. You have to start from sctach again
Yeah, that is one of the reasons i am considering doing arts...LoL
It would be awesome if we could do commerce at another uni and get credit for it tho *sigh*
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Hey it says on the melbourne uni website that it "will not be generally be possible to enter a New Generation degree with credit".
:'(
So would this mean that transferring into commerce at melb uni from another university is out of the question?
you still may be able to get credit for some subjects. i know someone who has got credit for maths when transferring from RMIT. but then again its a maths subject and not commerce.
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Hey it says on the melbourne uni website that it "will not be generally be possible to enter a New Generation degree with credit".
:'(
So would this mean that transferring into commerce at melb uni from another university is out of the question?
From Commerce at another uni? My friend started at Monash in 2007 and is now doing it at Melbourne and is doing 2nd yr subjects
You can transfer, but with NO credit. You have to start from sctach again
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Anyone studying or know how hard acturial studies are? Heard the maths was really wacked out...
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Anyone studying or know how hard acturial studies are? Heard the maths was really wacked out...
ROFL...ask Prav (AppleXY) :P
He might even write u a whole essay on it :D
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Anyone studying or know how hard acturial studies are? Heard the maths was really wacked out...
Yes it is whacked out.
In my view if you get any less than 40 just forget it.
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u mean in Specialist or methods?
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u mean in Specialist or methods?
Specialist, raw :P
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Ok Put this in your sig if you love commerce.
I <3 Commerce #1
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@costa lol ok.
and @brendan, VCE is by no means an indicator for intelligence. Small discrepancies in SACS and exams [possibly due to to pressure, sheer bad luck, ranking, schools, moderation and other statistical bs] can lead you to an underestimated score. Ahmad got 45 for methods where he should've really got 50. I really <3 acc but i got a 37.... saying i'm just above the state av [this REALLY fking piss me off].
I think the uni should have like prep for the subject which will then seperate the people who really enjoy and others who are just 'checking' it out.
and oh, Actuarial is basically risk management. The application of advanced statistics, probability and financial mathematics to firms [traditionally it was for life insurance, now it's spread across towards Banks, other types of insurance, superannuation and others.]
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@AppleXY: Who says there is a correlation between the "love" of a subject and how well you do? I positively hated both of my IT subjects last year, but I got two scores above 40. How is that so?
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dont actuarial people calculate betting odds also?
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whats the enter for commerce 2009 melb uni?
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:D
Ok Put this in your sig if you love commerce.
I <3 Commerce #1
ROFL okayyyy :smitten:
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ENTER of around 95.6 (like last year) would probaly be required
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BTW what's the average pay actuarists get payed? Heard they get big bickees...
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Well I'm one person out of the running for UoM spot! DAMN YOU STUPID METHODS 24!!! :@
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what, did you complete methods 3,4 last year?
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I know this is not relevent to this topic but since I've started about mathematics: is the math in engineering also very demanding?
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yeh i did methods and legal 3/4 last year
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Never do actuarial for the financial incentives. If you want to do that, go to Banking it's much more easier at a lot less demanding.
But yes, due to significant risk calculations, FIAAs (fully accredited) earn on av. $100,000 max. I've seen is AUD$400,000.
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If you want real money, make your money work 4 u, don't work for your money ;)
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Yes costargh, I have the same ideas as you. I have a dream... to own a company and let people work for me while I sit on my ass earning the big bucks, lol.
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according to your profile, you are doing methods CAS this year, correct?
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Nope, thats real old. Mao did it for me at the start of the year and I didnt want to ask for him to change it. I am doing Further maths now because Methods CAS clashed with Accounting and Economics which I was already enrolled in and was not willing to drop
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ah, so no matter what ENTER u get, u can't get into commerce in Uom? Man it would be a pity...
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Yep pretty much. Was my own fault anyways
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lol, so why u still so interested in commerce?
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Firstly, entry through VTAC after from year 12 isn't the only way into Commerce.
Secondly, my interest in Commerce and its beauty doesn't just switch off because of dismal performance in a stupid maths subject. Its still so appealing and sexually suggestive, yes thats right, sexually.
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haha 'sexually suggestive', now that's the most unique comment I've heard about commerce. U seem to know alot about commerce, so what career pathways does a bachelour of commerce get u into?
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I am wondering what courses are u thinking of taking so that u can transfer into commerce in the future?
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Never do actuarial for the financial incentives. If you want to do that, go to Banking it's much more easier at a lot less demanding.
Hrmm, from my conversations with people in the field, Investment Banking is much much much more demanding than actuarial science.
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haha, yeah, when I made that comment, I knew you were going to say that.
I mean areas such as IB and other tough ones... lol
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Merlin.
Commerce has a variety of career pathways... Accounting, Economics, Banking and finance, marketing & advertising, public relations, management .... depending on the major you choose. Applexy might have some less mainstream careers from a Commerce degree... what I have stated are basically just some of the more common majors in commerce.
I am applying at ANU in Canberra for Law/Com and Com and maybe anything else if I see something I like.
As for melbourne... Ill probz end up in Bachelor of Business @ Monash Caulfield... its basically the same degree... just a differnt name, less prestige but essentially learning the same stuff.
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ah, ANU, nice. How should I apply if I wanted to go to ANU? Do they have something like VTAC up there or do I apply directly at the uni?
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http://www.uac.edu.au/
Research courses etc plus apply
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cheers
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Imho, if you are able to go to NSW, why not go to a _better_ university for commerce? I mean there's Macquarie [The founder of Act. Std. degrees in Australia], UNSW, University of Syd and UTS which are much better for commerce than ANU (especially Macq and UNSW).
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I really only want to go to ANU for Law/Comm, otherwise I'd stay here. I wouldnt want to move to NSW for Commerce.... I think. Lol.
Ill probz end up staying here anyway Prav :(
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what enter should i aim for
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96
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what enter should i aim for
Yeah, aim for 96
If you get below 96, you may still have a chance... :)
But no lower than 93
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Imho, if you are able to go to NSW, why not go to a _better_ university for commerce? I mean there's Macquarie [The founder of Act. Std. degrees in Australia], UNSW, University of Syd and UTS which are much better for commerce than ANU (especially Macq and UNSW).
So if ANU is not that great for commerce then which courses are they good for?
Commerce in uom would be one of the best yeh?
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ANU is good for law and science I believe...
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Hi guys,
There are a number of summer courses which you can take to satisfy the 3/4 methods prereq for commerce at melbourne. All hope is not lost! but it might mean sacrificing a good part of your summer post y12. I for one am seriously considering this. Has anybody else looked into it?
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Hey docklands, have you got links/information about these summer bridging courses? And if these courses are available how to get offered a place at UoM in Commerce if you haven't satisfied the Methods pre-req?
Any information would be appreciated
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I talked to one of the people under the Commerce tent at the open day @ UoM and they said you can do this thing where you take the methods equivalent online which is offered by a QLD based company called Uni Learn. They may or may not offer it. I was told you have to get 75% or above. She also told me that it doesn't even go for a semester which seems quite convenient, but you can also do the methods equivalent at another university and transfer into bcomm @ melb.
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Thanks Aye Bay Bay, another VN user showed me this site earlier on in the year. i kinda forgot about it up until now so thanks to everyone for reminding me.
So does anyone have any information about if I do this course over the summer, and pass it, I can have my place at UoM Commerce of Monash (if they use this too) to start in Sem 1
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i'd imagine you'd have to put in an irregular offer...
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In what way would I have to put in an irregular offer? Like how so? Why would I do that?
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I don't think VTAC manages pathways... in which case at the time of application you don't have MM prereq, and VTAC selection wouldn't consider you
so you'd have to go through direct entry, i.e. irregular offer
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Aw ok. Thanks. I e-mailed Melbourne Uni, need a reply
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Dear Costa,
Thank you for your recent enquiry to the University of Melbourne Information Centre.
Students who pass the UniLearn subject and get the required scores specified by the Faculty of Economics and Commerce can meet the entry requirement. However, as the subject is considered equivalent to VCE studies, there is a large time commitment involved to complete the subject.
Selection of students into a course will commence in early January. Thus to be considered for selection into the Bachelor of Commerce degree, you must have results from UniLearn forwarded to the University before that time. If the results are not available, then the University of Melbourne must go on the results already supplied which will mean you will be ineligible.
The UniLearn subjects are just another way for students to meet the prerequisites. They do not guarantee that you will secure a place at the University of Melbourne. Selection into the University of Melbourne will still be based on the ENTER scores as well. Last year the ENTER for the Bachelor of Commerce was 95.60. Australian students wishing to gain a Commonwealth Supported Place (CSP) must have not only met the prerequisites but must have also achieved the Clearly-In ENTER score.
Another option that you may consider is applying to a different University offering a similar course and then looking to transfer across to the University of Melbourne after one year of study. You must make sure you complete a subject that is equivalent to Methods and also look to achieve a good score at university to be competitive for a transfer.
Best wishes for your future studies.
Kind Regards,
Will
Information Officer
So I basically have to have completed the course before they start doing the intake for students in January... shit :(
It says on Unilearn
"The development team suggests that 100 - 120 hours is a useful guide for completion of this course"
Hmmmmmmmmmm FUCK I HATE EVERYONE lol jokes.
Lol but i like the way he sorta suggested that I wont get the required ENTER anyway so dont bother haha
which is probz true lol
i wodner if monash has a similar thing
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If you really want commerce at UoM, start doing that unilearn thing now. If your not a procastonator and have good time management skills (which probably means you should immediately start studying for exams), then im sure you could complete that course aswell as your vce subjects.
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Yeh I know, i was talking about it with some friends at lunch. I might do that. Start ASAP. get some info and shit
But then it would be like doing 6 subjects... starting methods equivalent course mid august....
sounds kinad rushed. :S
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yea and even if you don't get the 96 required, you can still get into Monash (Commerce/Economics) I think (contact them to ask maybe?) either way, its better then moving for five years to another state (ANU)
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yeh i decided not gonna apply for ANU anymore. But yeh thats the plan, contact Monash and see if they use this bridging course too and stuff and I think this is where Mao's comment about irregular comments come into play. If my results werent in on time, but I had a huigh enough enter for com/eco or com at monash clayton then i could make an irregular offer with my results.. but 75% !!!! If exams finished like mid november, then I would have until about mid December I think... about a month to fulyl learn everything... btu i cood start a bit now throughout the year i guess
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costa:
1) you should start looking at the methods course now. as good as the pathway might sound, packing in the whole methods course is NOT a good idea. I'm sure you are self-conscious that mathematics is not your strong point, and believe me that any normal person can only do a certain amount of math in a given amount of time. Considering that you have already sat through the coursework last year, it might be an idea to just go over the course again, maybe with a tutor, and cover the main concepts before you start this bridging/foundation course [or alternatively, start now]
2) don't put all your eggs into one basket. I'm not sure about requirements for commerce at RMIT/Deakin/La Trobe/ACU, but they are certainly viable options you should look into. Apply from VTAC first, and after you have accepted the first-round offers, try for a second-round irregular placement at Monash/UoM. That way, if they reject you, you always have a course to go into. If you apply for irregular offer straight away, I am fairly sure you forfeit your application via VTAC.
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Thanks
I'll respond to both points.
1) If I do start this bridging course, it will be VERY soon, within the next week or so I would presume. I need to call up/e-mail and get some more information about the structure of the course and other stuff. From what I can tell, the course seems to be a lot less intense then the methods course, but maybe thats just me seeing 4 modules and thinking thats easier.
* Module 1: Introduction to Functions;
* Module 2: Coordinate Geometry and Trigonometry;
* Module 3: Calculus and its Applications; and
* Module 4: Financial Mathematics and Statistics.
By no means do I think this would be easy. God no! I want to know what this is going to be like in terms of difficulty before I embark on it. If the workload and the difficulty of the course is going to be better than methods than I will probabbly do it. If it's going to be like redoing methods again but in 3 months then thats just stupid because I know that won't happen. The thing with this, from what I can tell, is that I need 75% on the 2 exams (or the average of those to be 75?... I'll find out). This to me indicates that it might not be as hard as the methods course because it seems stupid that they would expect 75% on this exam to be equal to 75% on the methods exam, unless they just delibretly want a higher standard of requirements from this bridging course. I dont think I'd get into Melb Uni anyway, so I have to check with Monash Uni if they accept this bridging course or if they have similar bridging courses.
2) Can sum this up. I'm not applyin for RMIT, Deakin , La Trobe or ACU because if I dont get into commerce I will do Bachelor of Business at Monash Caulfield which is basically commerce but at Caulfield campus. Unless I completly screw up im sure ill get 82 ish
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aha! i shall reply to the reply to point 2 first:
2) nice! so long as you don't apply for irregular offers before you are accepted into a course. speak to your careers advisor about how the process actually works.
1) haha, it's not any less than the methods course. [if not more] It's just covered in a more "uni" style, that is a tiny bit of theory, and the applications of it is left to yourself [i.e. work through your textbook].
The methods course itself only has 4 areas of study: algebra, functions and graphs, calculus and probability :P
i see a fair bit of overlap with further if you are doing the right modules [trig and financial math]. enjoy and good luck!
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2) I would only apply for an irregular offer after I got an offer for first round. Wouldnt that make sense? Why would I apply for an irregular offer before I got an offer?
1) Oh damn. lol, well my brother did Uni maths last sem and is doing 2 subjects for maths this semester so he should be able to help me. I'm just wondering how much actual work there is in this subject/course thing... we are doing trig and geometry in further, financial maths and statistics isnt in the methods course from what i remember and that sounds easier/ more furtherish then the other bits to it. I do have some understanding of the methods course... I just never knew what to do in what situation... coudlnt interpret questions
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2) maybe i was under the wrong impression then. Do the results from UniLearn get sent to VTAC prior to the offer process? If not, it is highly probable that to utilise the creditation from this UniLearn you must directly apply to the universities, i.e. direct entry/irregular offer. I suggest you to talk to your VCE coordinator/careers advisor about the details
1) you will be required to put in however much time the thing says you will need to, if not more.
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2) I think they would be sent to VTAC. I'll have to check.
1) This is sounding like an unrealistic option every hour more i think about it
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the clearly in at melbourne is 95.xx
with the phasing out of full fee paying places, you would expect that score to come down slightly, no?
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the clearly in at melbourne is 95.xx
with the phasing out of full fee paying places, you would expect that score to come down slightly, no?
come down? you would expect it to go up wouldn't you? it's like the only career-focused degree left in the whole melb model.
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financial maths and statistics isnt in the methods course from what i remember and that sounds easier/ more furtherish then the other bits to it.
no way is it easy like further. if it is anything like the financial maths and statistics at UoM, you would have needed to take first year calculus and linear algebra which builds on specialist mathematics
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Its too fucking hard to get into at Melbourne these days. Ridiculous.
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on the engineering booklet for 2009, i saw that for bachelor of commerce the 'ENTER standard 2009' was 91.....o.o
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i noticed that, im not really sure how that works.
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I'm really keen on Commerce at Melbourne, and am going to try and get there through an arts course.
I'm planning to do that Maths thing, as soon as I get back from schoolies.
I need 75% on my arts subjects, and then its possible to transfer.
Anyone recommend some subjects? Business related.
My biggest fear is missing out on being able to transfer. If this were the case, would I be stuck in an arts course, or could I transfer to Monash Commerce from Melb Arts?
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I'm really keen on Commerce at Melbourne, and am going to try and get there through an arts course.
I'm planning to do that Maths thing, as soon as I get back from schoolies.
I need 75% on my arts subjects, and then its possible to transfer.
Anyone recommend some subjects? Business related.
My biggest fear is missing out on being able to transfer. If this were the case, would I be stuck in an arts course, or could I transfer to Monash Commerce from Melb Arts?
Exactly the same as my fears :(
Hmm, if you look at some previous pages of this thread, u will see that i have suggested quite a few options for subjects you can do in arts which are compulsory subjects for the commerce course.
Although i am not exactly sure as to how many of them you may be able to do :(
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I want someone to draw up for me the most commerce related Arts program you could possibly do at Melbourne for first year. That would be heaven. (it would have to take into consideration that I need to complete the maths methods equivalent subject in first semester).
If anyone does this for me, I will + karka them for the rest of their life.
PLEASE
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The Math requirement for Commerce is Quant. Methods.
Do that and you should be fine. I think there's only one other subject like for your discipline that you needa complete (like Finance 1 for Finance).
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Yeh but the thing is. From what I understand, the economics subjects in Arts require methods or the equivalent don't they? So would I be stuck doing real crap useless stuff that I hate?
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do engineering! all your worries will be gone.
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do engineering! all your worries will be gone.
That was an totally irrelevant and ridiculously idiotic comment. This a commerce thread not eng.
@costa, I think by doing Quant Methods (which you can enter by doing a bridging course?) whilst doing your commerce subs will be fine.
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Lol lighten up Applexy. hard was just making a joke :P
Eh I think I am going to go see someone at Melbourne about it, im gonna be there for a few lectures and they emailed me saying to come see them at the Arts department (:S) to discuss how it works.
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Thats cool.
Hope all goes well and I hope to see you at UoM (if i get in :( :( :( :( )
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its not gonna be easy. intro micro, and QM1 both require methods
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I'd love to get into Commerce at Melbourne, but I don't like my chances of getting 95.6 enter.
Just wondering, the fringe ENTER was something around 93 for 2008, and it said I think 11% of people were accepted from there.
So, what do they look at when trying to decide who under the 'clearly in' ENTER to give offers to?
I'm thinking I will get around 93 ENTER, and very confident of getting over 25 in Methods and over 30 in English.
If someone knows, I'd much appretiate it.
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Middle-band: Consideration will be given to Access Melbourne applicants.
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Righty-o...
No idea what that is.
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Righty-o...
No idea what that is.
The University of Melbourne is committed to significantly increasing the number of students from educationally, financially or socially disadvantaged backgrounds enrolling in undergraduate programs. Access Melbourne is a combined special entry and access scholarships scheme designed to increase participation of students from diverse backgrounds.
Access Melbourne can help you be selected for a place in a course even if your ENTER is below the clearly-in rank by letting you explain the ongoing circumstances that have affected your education.
Twenty percent of the University's new undergraduate Commonwealth supported places will be offered to students who have applied through Access Melbourne. In addition, many of these students will be awarded a Melbourne Access Scholarship.
http://www.futurestudents.unimelb.edu.au/aust/aug/accessmelb/index.html
:)
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Does anyone know what sorta subjects I could do in Arts degree (commer-ey ones) without having satisfied maths methods pre-req. if I did maths methods equivalent in sem 1 what could my year look like?
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What does everyone think will be the cut-off for Commerce this year? Is it likely that it would exceed 97?
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What does everyone think will be the cut-off for Commerce this year? Is it likely that it would exceed 97?
LOL no
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What does everyone think will be the cut-off for Commerce this year? Is it likely that it would exceed 97?
LOL wut. I highly doubt it. Probably 95.8 - 96 :)
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hopefully the lower the better. Im really worried if i can get in or not. My attitude towards my exams didnt seem too hot.
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Yeah tell me about it, 1533 applied to it as first prefernce WOW DOOMED!!! . But then again we don't know the supply figures, so u never really know
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Awww man...means I wont be able to get in =(
Can I get in through doing Arts for 1 semester then transfer in? Whilst doing some commerce based subjects during that time ofcourse.
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LOL wut. I highly doubt it. Probably 95.8 - 96 :)
I hope you're right (leaning towards the 95.8 side)
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I went to the open day and heard that merit scholarships would be given out to some people once they accept the offer for the course from UoM. Does anyone know the requirements or basis upon which these are given?
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Local Undergraduate Merit Scholarships
Local Undergraduate Merit Scholarships are available annually to domestic students commencing the single Bachelor of Commerce degree. Selection is based on academic merit. Students must be enrolled full-time for the duration of their degree. The scholarships are valued at a maximum of $7000 for three years.
No application is necessary. All domestic students who are offered a place in the BCom are automatically considered.
Highest enterz win?
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Local Undergraduate Merit Scholarships
Local Undergraduate Merit Scholarships are available annually to domestic students commencing the single Bachelor of Commerce degree. Selection is based on academic merit. Students must be enrolled full-time for the duration of their degree. The scholarships are valued at a maximum of $7000 for three years.
No application is necessary. All domestic students who are offered a place in the BCom are automatically considered.
Highest enterz win?
Yeah. Probably the kids who got like 99 (like good ole Jamison) will get that scholarship :)
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Ohh sounds tasty, I wonder how many they give out uni wide, hopefully I can grab one :D
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yea me too
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Damn... not liking the odds despite the lady at UoM course information day saying I have a very good chance to get in, I think she was just being nice.
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Save a scholarship for me too. How many do they give out per year?