Costello rips the Greens

[MuggedByReality]

I'm against the greens because they are really neither here nor there. Ever since the Industrial Revolution, the state of the economy is almost a reflection of the production of waste. The greater the growth, the more damage is done to the environment. Similarly, a rapid population ascent would indicate that more waste will be produced as a result of more resource being consumed.

The Greens know this. Nonetheless, they choose to sacrifice this aspect in order to appear more acceptable to capitalist politics. Environmental protection is quite the opposite to economic growth. There is no such thing as a middle ground. Until they actually sit down and accept the nature of their system, I would just continue referring to them as one of Labor's whipping boys.

  Not necessarily; London air is much cleaner now than half a century ago when the air was often thick with smog -for the reason that industries are cleaner, rather than output being lower.

[Cianyx]

Perhaps. It could have been due to the transition from an industrial city to a high density corporate sector. Nonetheless, air pollution isn't the only type of waste to be produced by factories. Huge amount of used solid waste being dumped into freshwater rivers, degradation in the quality of soil etc.

[MuggedByReality]

  Oh yeah, there's this: Richard Curtis -writer of Four Weddings, Notting Hill and teh Bridget Jones films- tries his
  hand at an environmental campaign short and...well...judge for yourself how effective you think it'll be

   (scroll down just a tad)
  http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2010/sep/30/10-10-no-pressure-film

[MuggedByReality]

  I saw this on a blog:

  "I am the very model of a modern climatologist
I’m partly statistician, partly palaeo-phrenologist
I’ve temperature readings from thermometers coniferous
my data are the same (or not, well, maybe) as Keith Briffa has
I bought them from a bloke who brought them hotfoot from Siberia
and mixed them with some algae from the mud in Lake Superior.
When counting different isotopes I’m really in my element
and sucking up to journalists from Guardian Environment
I know what makes the treerings from Siberia to the Rockies tick
And I can make spaghetti and transform it to a hockeystick.
My data’s got dark matter that would shatter a cosmologist
I am the very model of a modern climatologist"