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Re: Heinemann questions i had trouble with
« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2008, 06:44:02 pm »
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yea i get that....so ur allowed to use S204-2 twice?....i thought i had to use the water
notice the oxidation numbers in , the number for sulfur is +3, +2 and +5.
since the latter two sourced from the same compound (the first one), that means some of it must have gone through oxidation, and some gone through reduction.
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Re: Heinemann questions i had trouble with
« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2008, 06:51:39 pm »
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Sorry to bother u, but i'm still a little confused about Q3 like what are hydronium ions and how did u know to balance it with O2- (where did it say in the question)? Also, how did u do Q3 b, like where did Al2O3 come from?
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Re: Heinemann questions i had trouble with
« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2008, 07:57:55 pm »
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in the thermite reaction, everything happens under that mold, and the question did not say "there are also hydronium ions in the paste", so you cannot assume that there are H+ ions available for this reaction.
as a result, you'd balance the oxides with oxide ions, O2-


in a reaction, say, involving the reduction of permanganate (which involves H+ ions), the question would say that it is an "acidified solution", meaning you can follow the KOHES rule

if you had written the other half of the equation:

and combined the two half equation together, it becomes apparent that Al2O3 is formed from the two aluminium ions and the three oxide ions.
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Re: Heinemann questions i had trouble with
« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2008, 08:16:14 pm »
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i promise this is the last time i'm gonna bother u.
So tell me if this is right:
1. So whenever it says its a thermite reaction, you balance it with  O2-
(r there a list of these reactions i should noe?)

if you had written the other half of the equation:

and combined the two half equation together, it becomes apparent that Al2O3 is formed from the two aluminium ions and the three oxide ions.

2. Two Half equations
Al(s) = Al3+(s) + 3e-
FeO3(s) + 6e- = 2Fe(s) 3O2-

Getting rid of the e-
2Al = 2Al3+ + 6e-
Fe2O3 + 6e- = 2Fe + 3O2-

Overall equation
2Al + Fe2O3 = 2Al 3+ + 3O 2-+ 2Fe

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Re: Heinemann questions i had trouble with
« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2008, 08:25:31 pm »
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yes, kind of, not really

1: you can only use when there are some. In a question that you will be using it, the question will tell you that the solution is "acidified" so you can use it. Those are generally only applicable to Mn and V compounds.

2. The reaction is actually a lot more spontaneous than that, like a "swap" of metal ions. Half equations is useful to determine what is happening, but it is not absolute.
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Re: Heinemann questions i had trouble with
« Reply #20 on: March 25, 2008, 08:23:29 am »
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r u sure they didn't just simplify the H in     Fe2O3      +6e-   +6 H+         -->  2 Fe    +  3 H2O to get Fe2O3(s) + 6e- -->  2Fe(l) + 3O 2- (s)?

(this question is so retarded)
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Re: Heinemann questions i had trouble with
« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2008, 10:07:54 pm »
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r u sure they didn't just simplify the H in     Fe2O3      +6e-   +6 H+         -->  2 Fe    +  3 H2O to get Fe2O3(s) + 6e- -->  2Fe(l) + 3O 2- (s)?

(this question is so retarded)
unless you can explain how some hydronium ions miraculously appeared inside the mold, then yes :D
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Re: Heinemann questions i had trouble with
« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2008, 11:17:08 pm »
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what do you think the chances are of a question of that kind being in the exam (cause i would be f...ked)?

It would be nice if the textbok mentioned something about these sepcial exceptions for balancing half equations.
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Re: Heinemann questions i had trouble with
« Reply #23 on: March 26, 2008, 10:20:10 am »
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I have not seen thermite reactions in exams, but just to be safe, read the questions carefully and determine whether there will be H+ available
The key is to not "create" something the question has not given you. That can be a deciding factor between a high achiever and a very high achiever.

and maybe if you are unsure about that, memorise the thermite reaction formula.
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