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Author Topic: Rudd aboloshing full-fee paying Uni in Aus for Aussies  (Read 16441 times)  Share 

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brendan

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Re: Rudd aboloshing full-fee paying Uni in Aus for Aussies
« Reply #75 on: May 05, 2008, 08:49:24 pm »
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If the Rudd-Labor government subsidised the lost revenue from fee places, the university would still be able to give the department the same framework of fees and thus the places would be converted to CSP as they would be able to sustain their resources and adequately pay the teaching staff.

But you haven't addressed the question of why can't you have both.

Why must it be that you must ban fee places?

Why can't you allow universities to have the the freedom to offer fee places and subsidize more CSP places.

CSP Places are allocated by the Commonwealth Govt using quotas. Yes that's right the system is run like the Soviet Union.

On the international issue –
This is a completely separate debate. International places are expensive, however they still take into account your university entrance rank.

And domestic fee-places don't look at your ENTER?

not all revenue collected from fee-paying places is invested directly into the department.

Why must it be necessary for them to be?

It is simply absurd to suggest that there is simply a fixed number of spots at a university, and that no matter what happens to demand, and no matter how much people are willing to pay, that supply cannot and will not change.

Even then, this debate is a lot like "How many times should you beat your wife?"

I do not believe that the Government should be meddling with the affairs of individual universities to such an extent as they currently are.

By all means, provide income-contingent-loans (HECS-HELP, FEE-HELP) but at the same time, there is no justification for the Government dictating to universities whom they can and cannot admit, what courses they can and cannot provide, etc.
« Last Edit: May 05, 2008, 09:04:49 pm by Brendan »

jess3254

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Re: Rudd aboloshing full-fee paying Uni in Aus for Aussies
« Reply #76 on: May 05, 2008, 09:17:27 pm »
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Woah Brendan that was a late reply :P

To be honest, I only skimmed over what you wrote, but I do believe I didn't express my opinion, I just stated facts that were passed on from a reliable source, something that this thread was lacking.

Personally I believe students should have a choice as to whether they want to do fee-paying or not anyway.


Lol, "Even then, this debate is a lot like "How many times should you beat your wife?""
I'm pretty sure beating one's wife is completely dissimilar to whether fee paying places at Australian Universities should exist... but hey.
« Last Edit: May 05, 2008, 09:20:45 pm by jess3254 »

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Re: Rudd aboloshing full-fee paying Uni in Aus for Aussies
« Reply #77 on: May 05, 2008, 09:21:26 pm »
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CSP Places are allocated by the Commonwealth Govt using quotas. Yes that's right the system is run like the Soviet Union.
Everything done by the Soviet Union is considered to be evil, wrong, but most of all un-Australian...
« Last Edit: May 05, 2008, 10:48:03 pm by mark_alec »

jess3254

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Re: Rudd aboloshing full-fee paying Uni in Aus for Aussies
« Reply #78 on: May 05, 2008, 09:24:09 pm »
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It is simply absurd to suggest that there is simply a fixed number of spots at a university, and that no matter what happens to demand, and no matter how much people are willing to pay, that supply cannot and will not change.


I don't believe I ever suggested that? Actually, I don't believe I stated even half the things you wrote. The government doesn't allocate CSP places, the god damn university does according to funding and such. Sorry I didn't go into great depth on the matter

1) That is not true. It can change according to development and the number of staff members available to teach a course, however most years it is the status quo.
« Last Edit: May 05, 2008, 09:39:29 pm by jess3254 »

brendan

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Re: Rudd aboloshing full-fee paying Uni in Aus for Aussies
« Reply #79 on: May 05, 2008, 10:02:32 pm »
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I don't believe I ever suggested that? Actually, I don't believe I stated even half the things you wrote.

Well it was either you or someone else or your bf's mum. One or the other.

Secondly, i am simply displaying where the logic of many people's arguments particularly that of your bf's mum takes you.