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Continuous Random Variable Question
« on: August 30, 2008, 07:29:43 pm »
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Hey guys this is the last question in the exercise... I'm having a bit of difficulty.. Any help appreciated, thank you.

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Re: Continuous Random Variable Question
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2008, 07:49:36 pm »
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a)



Anti-differentiate both sides now, to yield:



Cancelling out a :

Splitting the integral term by term:

Rearranging to obtain the desired integral:





b)

Mean:



Let

Using part (a):



Evaluating the integral: lots of terms go to zero, except 2. One is complicated and one is a constant:



Fact:

This fact holds because the exponential function decreases far faster than the linear function, hence as goes to infinity, this becomes zero. That's not a solid proof, but it is a general rule of thumb that works -- exponentials change faster than polynomials. This isn't something you need to know for Methods - so it's the exercise's problem for having that ambigious term there.

Since





c)

Graph-sketching problem involving exponential functions. Shouldn't be too difficult. Just make sure you show the effects of a different size of .



d)

Larger values of will result in smaller , which decrease the vertical dilation of the graph, so the curves with larger values of will be flatter. The horizontal dilation of the graph will increase with larger values of , which also contributes to a flatter-looking graph.

This is consistent with the definition found in part (b), . Since the graph starts at , and it diminishes rapidly (being a decaying exponential function), a flatter graph that takes longer to decay (less steep) is required to have a larger mean. Hence, a larger mean (larger value of ) is consistent with a flatter graph.
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Re: Continuous Random Variable Question
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2008, 07:51:34 pm »
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Coblin, what program did u use to write all these formulas.

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Re: Continuous Random Variable Question
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2008, 07:54:42 pm »
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Coblin, what program did u use to write all these formulas.

LaTeX, something that is embedded into this forum. I just have to type in a particular format in between TEX tags, and it will come out in a nicer looking viewer format (as a picture). To learn how to use it, see this thread: http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,3137.0.html

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Re: Continuous Random Variable Question
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2008, 07:57:09 pm »
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Coblin, what program did u use to write all these formulas.

LaTeX, something that is embedded into this forum. I just have to type in a particular format in between TEX tags, and it will come out in a nicer looking viewer format (as a picture). To learn how to use it, see this thread: http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,3137.0.html
thanks

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Re: Continuous Random Variable Question
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2008, 10:17:25 pm »
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Thx very much for your effort Coblin. In regards to part a, the book have this as the answer for the derivative and integral, respectively:

Do you think they just left out the second half of the derivative? The integral is the same.
EDIT: Actually the integral is slightly different. One of the signs differs. I think they got that wrong too ?  ???
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Re: Continuous Random Variable Question
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2008, 10:41:58 pm »
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Yeah, I think they got that wrong, haha. It's not a well designed question (and answer), coz it had to use that fact that isn't in the course, in part (b).

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Re: Continuous Random Variable Question
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2008, 10:48:28 pm »
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Yeah, I think they got that wrong, haha. It's not a well designed question (and answer), coz it had to use that fact that isn't in the course, in part (b).
Right.. what bastards. Lol, I kind of figured that 'rule of thumb' applied just by looking at it logically anyway. Perhaps that's what they want us to do? Nevertheless, muchas gracias.

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Re: Continuous Random Variable Question
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2008, 10:53:02 pm »
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Yeah, Ahmad did say to me, looking at it like: is obvious, but it still looks like (indeterminate) when you let

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Re: Continuous Random Variable Question
« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2008, 10:54:50 pm »
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Yeah, Ahmad did say to me, looking at it like: is obvious, but it still looks like (indeterminate) when you let

Mmm.. indeed. Duly noted. So, basically, whenever something is put to a power of a negative infinity, so to speak, it is effectively 0.

Ah, another question for you. In part a where you cancelled the k. Can you do that in the integrals as well? I was told that you can't multiply or divide like that inside integrals.
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Re: Continuous Random Variable Question
« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2008, 11:24:35 pm »
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I think I remember doing this question actually, had to ask my teacher about it.
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Re: Continuous Random Variable Question
« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2008, 11:28:23 pm »
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if you must, L'Hopital's rule (taking derivative of top and bottom when encountering an indeterminant)



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Re: Continuous Random Variable Question
« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2008, 11:39:48 pm »
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Ah, another question for you. In part a where you cancelled the k. Can you do that in the integrals as well? I was told that you can't multiply or divide like that inside integrals.

Since is a constant, I can just take it out of the integral, and it will cancel out.

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Re: Continuous Random Variable Question
« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2008, 12:29:17 am »
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Writing lost my mate marks on a MUEP assignment.

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Re: Continuous Random Variable Question
« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2008, 08:48:51 pm »
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Writing lost my mate marks on a MUEP assignment.

That's because isn't a number.
But,


So I agree with you.  Mao is wrong :) Haha

[And no Mao, I will not prove L'Hopital's rule]
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