Im in the bottom 1/3 of the school. Can i still get a study score of 38

[secretweapon]

Definitely a strong cohort - It would've been a top 7 school in methods last year. However, a low rank wouldn't be scaled up too much. Average students would benefit more with the effect lessening at each end of the bell curve.

Does this mean that the sac results will be scaled up?

[Sine]

Does this mean that the sac results will be scaled up?

not necessarily, strong cohorts don't give you can inherent advantage of being scaled up. You don't gain any extra benefit from it, your sac scores will ultimately be moderated according to exam performance and the raw sac scores. Both of these are highly variable so it can potentially be scaled down/up or stay the same. However, strong cohorts usually are given harder sacs in order to properly separate students (and/or to extend them) which results in lower sac scores which need to be scaled up by vcaa.

[secretweapon]

not necessarily, strong cohorts don't give you can inherent advantage of being scaled up. You don't gain any extra benefit from it, your sac scores will ultimately be moderated according to exam performance and the raw sac scores. Both of these are highly variable so it can potentially be scaled down/up or stay the same. However, strong cohorts usually are given harder sacs in order to properly separate students (and/or to extend them) which results in lower sac scores which need to be scaled up by vcaa.

So harder sacs aren't a guarantee of scaling up, even at melbourne high, macrob etc?

[Sine]

So harder sacs aren't a guarantee of scaling up, even at melbourne high, macrob etc?

well not 100% guaranteed if you are ranked extremely low but it is very likely to be scaled up if you are at least ranked low/mid--> rank 1

[secretweapon]

well not 100% guaranteed if you are ranked extremely low but it is very likely to be scaled up if you are at least ranked low/mid--> rank 1

What does the bolded part mean?
Also, is it possible to predict how much a methods cohort that has ~275 students with ~30-40 40+ raw scores each year (including ~2 raw 50s) would be scaled up by (if any)?
Also, this mind sound unrealistic, but is it at all possible to get C's in sacs, and then get high a+ in both exam 1 and 2 for methods?

[Meddling]

To my knowledge you cannot calculate how much your score will scale due to your cohort.

Just do well from here and forth, its best not to worry about these things and to just devote hard work into your studies. If you are putting in hard effort already but arent improving, you may need another approach to study, or you might actually not be studying enough relative to your cohort.

Best of luck!

[secretweapon]

To my knowledge you cannot calculate how much your score will scale due to your cohort.

Just do well from here and forth, its best not to worry about these things and to just devote hard work into your studies. If you are putting in hard effort already but arent improving, you may need another approach to study, or you might actually not be studying enough relative to your cohort.

Best of luck!

Generally the sacs have difficult questions that are harder than textbook level. Is there a way to specifically  prepare for these questions?

[Lear]

Generally the sacs have difficult questions that are harder than textbook level. Is there a way to specifically  prepare for these questions?

Past SACs and past VCAA questions.
Also on the question about SAC scaling, I would strongly suggest not becoming infatuated with the numbers game. Too many kids fall in the trap of always wondering about the ‘minimum’ score they need to get in SACs to get x or how much they need for each subject to get an TAR of x. Instead, you should be absolutely trying to the very best you can so at the end of the year you can truly be content with the work you’ve put in. You get one significant shot at VCE, make the most of it.

[Sine]

What does the bolded part mean?
Also, is it possible to predict how much a methods cohort that has ~275 students with ~30-40 40+ raw scores each year (including ~2 raw 50s) would be scaled up by (if any)?
Also, this mind sound unrealistic, but is it at all possible to get C's in sacs, and then get high a+ in both exam 1 and 2 for methods?

basically being in the top 75% of your cohort.
There is no way to predict (properly) the scaling of sacs because they are ultimately dependent on your cohorts exam performance which still hasn't happened.

Obviously it's possible to get C's and then high A+'s but that would mean a dramatic change in study and attitude. You would probably get high 30's with that combination of scores.

It's best to try your best without just trying to do minimum effort to achieve your goals

[secretweapon]

basically being in the top 75% of your cohort.
There is no way to predict (properly) the scaling of sacs because they are ultimately dependent on your cohorts exam performance which still hasn't happened.

Obviously it's possible to get C's and then high A+'s but that would mean a dramatic change in study and attitude. You would probably get high 30's with that combination of scores.

It's best to try your best without just trying to do minimum effort to achieve your goals

I know that I shouldn't be worrying too much about scaling of sacs, but are you basically saying that if your cohort as a whole performs really well on the exams, then your sacs get scaled up regardless of cohort, school, etc?

[lakvinu]

Hello,

Thank you all for ur replies. I managed to get 2nd place and first place in my next 2 sacs. Im just wondering would vcaa think that my first sac was an outlier. I mean i got bottom of the class for my first sac and then got the best in the next 2 sacs. If i managed to do really well in the exam would vcaa not consider my score for the first sac. Would they think it was an outlier or am i just being hopeful.
Thank you everyone for ur replies. Really appreciated it.

[Sine]

Hello,

Thank you all for ur replies. I managed to get 2nd place and first place in my next 2 sacs. Im just wondering would vcaa think that my first sac was an outlier. I mean i got bottom of the class for my first sac and then got the best in the next 2 sacs. If i managed to do really well in the exam would vcaa not consider my score for the first sac. Would they think it was an outlier or am i just being hopeful.
Thank you everyone for ur replies. Really appreciated it.

They get sent your SAC grade between 0 and 100 and not the scores of each sacs and even this score from 0 to 100 they don't care about - they only consider your ranking in the cohort.