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Help in understanding a related text
« on: May 02, 2017, 10:07:40 pm »
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Hi! So I'm planning to do "Mid-Term Break" by Seamus Heaney!
Shout out to Elyse for the suggestion :P

Although, I'm kinda confused on how it's exploring discovery... Like I can see that it touches on discovery but only on  a superficial level.

So this is what I got so far... This text explores discovery and discovering as:
- "Sudden and unexpected"
- "Confronting"
- Emotional and intellectual discovery
- Involves both the journey of discovering for the persona and the reader
- "renewed perceptions of ourselves and others"
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Re: Help in understanding a related text
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2017, 09:06:58 pm »
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Hi! So I'm planning to do "Mid-Term Break" by Seamus Heaney!
Shout out to Elyse for the suggestion :P

Although, I'm kinda confused on how it's exploring discovery... Like I can see that it touches on discovery but only on  a superficial level.

Hey Dalvin! Sorry this took two days, I needed to get out the poem and read it again. Upon reading, I remembered how much I like the simplicity of this poem.

I think that upon first reading, a lot of poems seem superficial because you're yet to make inferences.

- "Sudden and unexpected"
- "Confronting"
- Emotional and intellectual discovery
- Involves both the journey of discovering for the persona and the reader
- "renewed perceptions of ourselves and others"
These are all really solid parts of the syllabus. I will add also, the poet also makes the physical discovery that his brother has died. I think you've made some good analysis, but it seems to be based off the content of the poem and not so much the creation of the poem. For example, we see each stanza has three lines, except the last. This marks a shift, a change in his perspective. The poet has changed his expression (transformed his perspective), after making the discovery. So that's something else to add to the list. Perhaps we can also infer the new speculations about the future he's going to dabble in based on the marked shift in his poetry style at the end. This can even be seen as manifesting in a creative discovery! But, that might be a tenuous link.

I think a particular point of focus for me would be the father. It says he's usually quite stout and stern, but here he's showing a different side. That's a physical, emotional, and possibly even intellectual discovery for just these two lines. Placed in context, we can see how significant this was to see a grown man cry.

I think also, one of the strongest parts of the poem for me is the expression of emotion. He felt embarrassed by people shaking his hands, the baby cooed, the dad cried, the mother sobbed, people whispered, and the poet wrote.

So I think now, you've got some ideas of where the poem touches in the rubric, and now you need to see what you can take from the poem when you tease out each section of the rubric, kind of like I've done above. But include analysis of techniques as well. Look, it could become a dead end if you don't feel like it's strong enough with your prescribed, but with a bit of work I think this has wonderful potential. The poem isn't too difficult, nor is it too shallow. So you've got yourself a good deal! :)
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Re: Help in understanding a related text
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2017, 08:11:23 am »
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Wow! Thank you so muchhh for a very insightful and extensive response Elyse :) Really helps so much !!! I'll definitely have this as one of my options!
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Re: Help in understanding a related text
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2017, 07:02:37 pm »
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Wow! Thank you so muchhh for a very insightful and extensive response Elyse :) Really helps so much !!! I'll definitely have this as one of my options!

Not a worry! This is the time to explore, yet be critical. If you have a good crack at this but decide it isn't going where you want it to go in relation to your prescribed text, then pull out and try something else. It's much better you use this time to have a look rather than right before trials! Let me know if you need more help :)
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Re: Help in understanding a related text
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2017, 07:54:59 pm »
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Not a worry! This is the time to explore, yet be critical. If you have a good crack at this but decide it isn't going where you want it to go in relation to your prescribed text, then pull out and try something else. It's much better you use this time to have a look rather than right before trials! Let me know if you need more help :)


Hey Elyse, I'm working on my assessment task right now and it asks us to identify FOUR techniques and explain their effect and how it links with Discovery.
Though, I'm indecisive about which one I should include for my last one... on Mid Term Break - Seamus Heaney

My two options I am juggling between are:

"And Big Jim Evans saying it was a hard blow".
Colloquiums → Allows a sudden generation of the aural imagery of the car crash accident. Which reflects the nature of the physical discovery – being spontaneous and unexpected.… leads to this “sudden” emotional impact towards certain people. Illustrates how the ramifications of the discovery is be shaped through the personal context and thus emphasises the dynamics of the response that closely links with the unique nature of discovery.

"A four foot box, a foot for every year".
Form → Changes form to re-establish that discoveries will lead to a shift into a new perception, new ideas and beliefs, allowing one to have a deepen understanding about the world. Hence leading to the persona's ability to competently speculate  future possibilities, that now since the persona understands the truthfulness and horrors of death. It has come to conclusion, that he excepts the discovery of another death. A stimulation of the idea that life and death is a cyclical process. This text affirms that concept about human experiences.

Which one would be better to show discovery? Cause to me, they are good but unfortunately I can only include four techniques to discuss.
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Re: Help in understanding a related text
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2017, 11:04:54 pm »
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Hey Elyse, I'm working on my assessment task right now and it asks us to identify FOUR techniques and explain their effect and how it links with Discovery.
Though, I'm indecisive about which one I should include for my last one... on Mid Term Break - Seamus Heaney

Which one would be better to show discovery? Cause to me, they are good but unfortunately I can only include four techniques to discuss.


Hey! I know Elyse is going to be a little quiet on the forums the next day or two - I think I like the first one better, but I don't think I've ever heard of a colloquium before! Could you explain what that technique is? :)

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Re: Help in understanding a related text
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2017, 09:36:34 pm »
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Hey! I know Elyse is going to be a little quiet on the forums the next day or two - I think I like the first one better, but I don't think I've ever heard of a colloquium before! Could you explain what that technique is? :)

Hey Jamon! Thanks for the heads up and getting back to me :)
Colloquialism is a when the composer incorporates informal language. OR is it not? Lol... My teacher haven't mind me using that as a technique, they've done it themselves. So I'm guessing it would be okay to even use in the HSC itself...
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Re: Help in understanding a related text
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2017, 09:58:55 pm »
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Hey Jamon! Thanks for the heads up and getting back to me :)
Colloquialism is a when the composer incorporates informal language. OR is it not? Lol... My teacher haven't mind me using that as a technique, they've done it themselves. So I'm guessing it would be okay to even use in the HSC itself...

Oh colloquialism! You misspelled it in your previous post, that's what got me confused!

No dramas then - In that case I definitely think the first one looks better ;D

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Re: Help in understanding a related text
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2017, 09:26:34 am »
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Oh colloquialism! You misspelled it in your previous post, that's what got me confused!

No dramas then - In that case I definitely think the first one looks better ;D

Oh haha, yeah I'm not very good at spelling and english lol.
THANKS JAMON!! :)
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